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Ian Pont
October 23, 2012, 05:16 AM
There are some inherent issues with coaches coming to Bangladesh and staying, or wanting to stay.

It isn't a financial issue (except in my case) usually. It is more often than not a realisation that differences are hard to make. We all know why those differences are hard to make and that it takes a special type of coach to want to stay and 'guts it out' when there are many issues out of their control, that affect the performance of players and the teams in Bangladesh.

It says much when coaches already employed by Bangladesh apply for other roles with rivals, as happened with Stuart Barnes and Shane Jurgensen over the Pakistan bowling coach role, but it is understandable if people feel frustrated or unable to make much headway.

Jamie Siddons wanted to stay another two years at least when he left. He was committed to BD and was so sad to leave. Julien Fountain similarly. Stuart Law and Richard Pybus perhaps have different views over their time with BD.

The key is in finding coaches committed to stay, happy to roll up their sleeves and work hard, plus be determined to genuinely make a difference.

BD deserves coaches who are not simply 'career' coaches looking to add Test countries to their cricket coaching CV, or 'have a go' at it. The roles in BD are varied, tough and fans are emotional about their team. Living in Dhaka when you come from London, Brisbane, Cape Town or Johannesburg, is a challenge. Most that come I feel never settle.

Grant Luden is a great example of someone terrific and loyal. 4 years as conditioning coach and one of the very best appointments. BD needs like-minded coaches who are prepared for the long haul.... the BCB then needs to reward and retain these rare breeds.

Identifying them first is the key role, because it is unlikely to be a big name.

deshprem
October 23, 2012, 05:55 AM
why can't we just outsource our governance and coaching to people like Ian.

BANFAN
October 23, 2012, 06:21 AM
Identifying them first is the key role, because it is unlikely to be a big name.

Agreed to what you said and specially the last sentence. But at the same time we need to also make sure that the coach appointed has that ability to make a difference in the right direction.

Mav
October 23, 2012, 11:41 AM
Yes the job is hard for you coaches here, no doubt. The superiority complex (you work for us) and corruption, they wont disappear from this society anytime soon. You have to work in it.

So do u take the job or not, taking everything in account, thats the question.
Those who loved the passion for cricket here, stayed and took the challenge, let the corruption and superiority complex sit aside........made small targets to reach and made a difference. Dav W, Richard Mc, Jamie Sid namely.

Ian Pont
October 23, 2012, 12:31 PM
Yes the job is hard for you coaches here, no doubt. The superiority complex (you work for us) and corruption, they wont disappear from this society anytime soon. You have to work in it.

So do u take the job or not, taking everything in account, thats the question.
Those who loved the passion for cricket here, stayed and took the challenge, let the corruption and superiority complex sit aside........made small targets to reach and made a difference. Dav W, Richard Mc, Jamie Sid namely.

I think if you accept the job in BD you accept it knowing you have to live in BD - and your family either join you (Jamie) and you make a life, or they don't (Stuart Law, Richard Pybus) and you just get on with it. You cannot accept a role and THEN use family reasons as an excuse.

Whether you agree or not with his reasons, Lance Kluesener refused the bowling role due to family. Mick Newell withdrew for the same reasons as potential Head Coach. Honest and respected decisions.

We have seen Craig McDermott (Aus), Damien Wright (Aus in NZ) leaving key roles due to 'family' reasons or wanting to be back home. Allan Donald even did it to NZ and then Australia to take up SA role. McDermott was even stranger as this was his own country and he had been a player so knew what life was like.

It isn't just BD therefore that has these issues, but I suspect living in Dhaka is viewed as more of a challenge than living in Sydney or Auckland.

Simply put, the BCB will always have to offer higher salaries than some other countries to even get coaches to want to apply.

I enjoyed Dhaka personally (traffic aside) and felt it is possible to build a life there as a foreigner.

You have to assess whether the estimated money spent since Dav Whatmore in 2007 world cup on certain Coaches has been well spent and taken BD cricket forward. The harsh reality of Test rankings points and ODI rankings points might tell the truth.

The answer is to either appoint someone passionate about developing BD as a nation, and build a coaching staff of like-minded support staff like RM, or to appoint a BD coach and give them a chance. At least a local coach cannot use the excuse of being homesick, unable to convince his family or not understanding the politics of a government run board wanting to interfere in the team.

MarufH
October 23, 2012, 01:57 PM
I think if you accept the job in BD you accept it knowing you have to live in BD - and your family either join you (Jamie) and you make a life, or they don't (Stuart Law, Richard Pybus) and you just get on with it. You cannot accept a role and THEN use family reasons as an excuse.

Whether you agree or not with his reasons, Lance Kluesener refused the bowling role due to family. Mick Newell withdrew for the same reasons as potential Head Coach. Honest and respected decisions.

We have seen Craig McDermott (Aus), Damien Wright (Aus in NZ) leaving key roles due to 'family' reasons or wanting to be back home. Allan Donald even did it to NZ and then Australia to take up SA role. McDermott was even stranger as this was his own country and he had been a player so knew what life was like.

It isn't just BD therefore that has these issues, but I suspect living in Dhaka is viewed as more of a challenge than living in Sydney or Auckland.

Simply put, the BCB will always have to offer higher salaries than some other countries to even get coaches to want to apply.

I enjoyed Dhaka personally (traffic aside) and felt it is possible to build a life there as a foreigner.

You have to assess whether the estimated money spent since Dav Whatmore in 2007 world cup on certain Coaches has been well spent and taken BD cricket forward. The harsh reality of Test rankings points and ODI rankings points might tell the truth.

The answer is to either appoint someone passionate about developing BD as a nation, and build a coaching staff of like-minded support staff like RM, or to appoint a BD coach and give them a chance. At least a local coach cannot use the excuse of being homesick, unable to convince his family or not understanding the politics of a government run board wanting to interfere in the team.

:up::up::up::up:

Shaun petr
October 24, 2012, 02:15 AM
I think if you accept the job in BD you accept it knowing you have to live in BD - and your family either join you (Jamie) and you make a life, or they don't (Stuart Law, Richard Pybus) and you just get on with it. You cannot accept a role and THEN use family reasons as an excuse.

Whether you agree or not with his reasons, Lance Kluesener refused the bowling role due to family. Mick Newell withdrew for the same reasons as potential Head Coach. Honest and respected decisions.

We have seen Craig McDermott (Aus), Damien Wright (Aus in NZ) leaving key roles due to 'family' reasons or wanting to be back home. Allan Donald even did it to NZ and then Australia to take up SA role. McDermott was even stranger as this was his own country and he had been a player so knew what life was like.

It isn't just BD therefore that has these issues, but I suspect living in Dhaka is viewed as more of a challenge than living in Sydney or Auckland.

Simply put, the BCB will always have to offer higher salaries than some other countries to even get coaches to want to apply.

I enjoyed Dhaka personally (traffic aside) and felt it is possible to build a life there as a foreigner.

You have to assess whether the estimated money spent since Dav Whatmore in 2007 world cup on certain Coaches has been well spent and taken BD cricket forward. The harsh reality of Test rankings points and ODI rankings points might tell the truth.

The answer is to either appoint someone passionate about developing BD as a nation, and build a coaching staff of like-minded support staff like RM, or to appoint a BD coach and give them a chance. At least a local coach cannot use the excuse of being homesick, unable to convince his family or not understanding the politics of a government run board wanting to interfere in the team.

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observer
October 24, 2012, 06:48 AM
There are some inherent issues with coaches coming to Bangladesh and staying, or wanting to stay.

It isn't a financial issue (except in my case) usually. It is more often than not a realisation that differences are hard to make. We all know why those differences are hard to make and that it takes a special type of coach to want to stay and 'guts it out' when there are many issues out of their control, that affect the performance of players and the teams in Bangladesh.

It says much when coaches already employed by Bangladesh apply for other roles with rivals, as happened with Stuart Barnes and Shane Jurgensen over the Pakistan bowling coach role, but it is understandable if people feel frustrated or unable to make much headway.

Jamie Siddons wanted to stay another two years at least when he left. He was committed to BD and was so sad to leave. Julien Fountain similarly. Stuart Law and Richard Pybus perhaps have different views over their time with BD.

The key is in finding coaches committed to stay, happy to roll up their sleeves and work hard, plus be determined to genuinely make a difference.

BD deserves coaches who are not simply 'career' coaches looking to add Test countries to their cricket coaching CV, or 'have a go' at it. The roles in BD are varied, tough and fans are emotional about their team. Living in Dhaka when you come from London, Brisbane, Cape Town or Johannesburg, is a challenge. Most that come I feel never settle.

Grant Luden is a great example of someone terrific and loyal. 4 years as conditioning coach and one of the very best appointments. BD needs like-minded coaches who are prepared for the long haul.... the BCB then needs to reward and retain these rare breeds.

Identifying them first is the key role, because it is unlikely to be a big name.

Well said Ian. It is amazing how often people call for superstar ex players to coach the side, and sometimes have have two or three of them working together as a staff. The reality is there is next to no chance of most of those names ever doing more than short term, IPL type jobs. You have to remember these guys have spent the best part of 10 to 20 years of their lives on the road, touring and playing cricket. They are now well paid for this honour and deservedly so, but what it means is that many of them dont actually need to work again, let alone take on the 24/7, 360 day a year role of professional coaching for much less than what they earned as a player. This is further enhanced when they can do some commentary here and there in various events and again earn more than most coaches for relatively easier work ( no disrespect meant to various commentators out there).

I take my hat off to Justin Langer and Allan Donald who have jumped back in, although these guys played most of their career before the big money was on offer. I think they are the last of that era. Could be wrong of course, but i know the trouble we have had in Australia trying to lure former international players into coaching roles, in a well organized set up in their home countries. The issues of trying to lure suitable qualified former star players to coach in the subcontinent, with all its nuances is even greater.

As Ian has pointed out it is about finding the right types of characters who are willing to get stuck in, do the hard work, put up with the various set backs, the interference, the well intentioned but misguided level of expectation of fans and administered and just keep going, day day out. Reality is many of the areas required to improve the team and systems are not difficult and don't require a 100 Test player's experience to solve. There are some very simple issues to be resolved before we are any chance of moving from number 9 or 10 on the rankings in any format.

Nations such as Ireland and Sri Lanka have recently undertaken some of the initiatives that we need to investigate or otherwise they pass or move further away from us. A slight deviation off topic, but relevant.

Back to the coaching issues, why not do the normal process, do the homework, identify some suitable candidates, advertise as well globally and see who is interested and then via a thorough and rigorous process appoint the most suitable candidate.

Then let him use his expertise to take the whole system forward, which in turn will make the administration and board look good as well.

Win, win situation is it not. :):flag:

MarvinDaMartian
October 24, 2012, 06:55 AM
Richard, its nice to see you posting here. Pybus mentioned about a "feeder" system you proposed to BCb which was, unfortunately, rejected by them. I know it is off-topic I hope you may tell us some more about it somewhere some time in this forum.

BANFAN
October 24, 2012, 07:07 AM
?............, why not do the normal process, do the homework, identify some suitable candidates, advertise as well globally and see who is interested and then via a thorough and rigorous process appoint the most suitable candidate.

Then let him use his expertise to take the whole system forward, which in turn will make the administration and board look good as well. ..........:

I thought they were already doing it !!! And the personal approaches were additional... Looks like I was wrong...:-/

betaar
October 24, 2012, 03:19 PM
As Ian has pointed out it is about finding the right types of characters who are willing to get stuck in, do the hard work, put up with the various set backs, the interference, the well intentioned but misguided level of expectation of fans and administered and just keep going, day day out. Reality is many of the areas required to improve the team and systems are not difficult and don't require a 100 Test player's experience to solve. There are some very simple issues to be resolved before we are any chance of moving from number 9 or 10 on the rankings in any format.

Win, win situation is it not. :):flag:

My sentiment exactly! Like some leaders/ captains, coaches are also situational and finding that coach is the key.This is what I said in anoher thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=1593769#post1593769) why I believe you can definitely fit into the coaching job Bangladesh.
You seem to have the right set of characteristics that can work in our rubbish politicised cricket environment and the skill set to match the need of the players. If both you and Ian could join forces then BD could definitely flourish. The eagerness both of you show are definitely heart warming. Sadly, coaches playing hard to get seems more attracticve to the BCB morons. They have been going after coaches who are genuinly not interested even if they are qualified.When someone's heart is set on something, issues can be worked out.

BrianLara7
October 24, 2012, 08:27 PM
So many people born in BD dont want to be living there permanently (due to practical reasons) so no surprise we have problems with foreign coaches.

Dilscoop
October 24, 2012, 10:48 PM
Our cricket is on the rise, financially. BCB is definitely not one of the poor boards anymore. If they still can't find a coach and pay them enough (infect overpay them) to keep them happy and keep them in Bangladesh, then it's failure on their part.

Yes, sure, it's "IPL-era". Coaches and players are getting big bucks for short terms, but I'm sure there are enough coaches out there who wants a full time job that pays well, and with benefits. Give them those benefits that IPL don't provide.

Sohel
October 24, 2012, 11:15 PM
Can't say didn't see the Pybus situation coming but was holding out hope that maybe this time the counterproductive, traditional meddling would stop and he'd be given a real chance to show what he can do.

I agree with Richard Pybus, Ian Pont and Richard McInnes on everything each has to say about BCB and our cricket. The traditional combination of puerile egomania, laughable pretension and fundamental ignorance about the nuances of the sport many folks feel passionate about because of national pride and national pride alone, is somewhat acceptable and expected from some in an online fan forum such as this one, but continues to be lethal when seen in BCB decision makers including selectors.

Our people deserve better.

Everything old is new again :facepalm:

cricbook
October 24, 2012, 11:28 PM
shamless bd's politics never will end.......atleast let the cricket go from your side eyes....after pibus, it will be tuff for us to find a good coach....:facepalm:

observer
October 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
Our cricket is on the rise, financially. BCB is definitely not one of the poor boards anymore. If they still can't find a coach and pay them enough (infect overpay them) to keep them happy and keep them in Bangladesh, then it's failure on their part.

Yes, sure, it's "IPL-era". Coaches and players are getting big bucks for short terms, but I'm sure there are enough coaches out there who wants a full time job that pays well, and with benefits. Give them those benefits that IPL don't provide.

Dilscoop, it is not entirely about the money, the BCB pay sufficient to attract coaches here, but coaches by nature of what they do, want to be able to make a difference and if they dont feel like they can do that, then the money is irrelevant. The money might attract someone initially but in order to keep them here to build sustained success it requires an environment that allows the staff to utilise their expertise.
An environment where the articulated strategic plan of the organization is to deliver international success. A quick perusal of the ECB or CA strategic plan will show this, as does the plan for Cricket Ireland.

Gowza
October 25, 2012, 01:07 AM
the sad thing is ireland could overtake BD, if they're given the right opportunities, given the sufficient support by the boards, irish cricket is willing to do what they need to to improve the game of cricket in ireland so they can consistently produce world class players. the BD board at current isn't willing to do that.

Ian Pont
October 25, 2012, 02:20 AM
the sad thing is ireland could overtake BD, if they're given the right opportunities, given the sufficient support by the boards, irish cricket is willing to do what they need to to improve the game of cricket in ireland so they can consistently produce world class players. the BD board at current isn't willing to do that.

I don't think there is any doubt about that. So it's not Ireland COULD but WILL in time with the right environment.

What Richard correctly refers to in his posts is having the right set of indicators and circumstances to develop world-class results through best-practices. This is entirely what leading coaching set-ups in Australia, England do.

The reality about working in Bangladesh is that you have to accept the circumstances and simply get on with your job. You cannot change that culture off the field and in the board room that foreign coaches complain about. It is not the Head Coach's role - it is that of the President and Cricket Operations to decide on what the infrastructure and environment must be.

Coaches like Richard are successful for two reasons:

1. They are good
2. They are committed

The clue is right there...

BengaliPagol
October 25, 2012, 03:03 AM
I guess instead of going for someone better we should have stuck with Jamie Siddons. Yes it was time for a change but at this point i dont think there will be any coaches willing to coach the BD national team. I dont think we will find someone as dedicated as Siddons or Ian. Id like Ian to coach the team but i dont think the board is interested. What will happen now?

reyme
October 27, 2012, 05:04 AM
I am keeping my fingers crossed for Ian and Fountain. We need someone like them who truly care and also highly qualified to provide hands on training...

Ian Pont
October 28, 2012, 05:25 AM
I am keeping my fingers crossed for Ian and Fountain. We need someone like them who truly care and also highly qualified to provide hands on training...

Let me say that Julien will likely never return for two reasons:

1. He has a better paid role and is highly respected in Pakistan
2. He was let down by Mustafa Kamal who shook his hand on an extension to his role and then Julien's job was advertised while he attended his dying father in England

From my viewpoint, I have been a successful Head Coach with Dhaka Gladiators and was asked to return by Mustafa Kamal in February to be with the national team in some capacity. I have heard nothing from the BCB since.

In life, you can only ever judge people by their actions and not their words. This is never more true than in Bangladesh. Those of us who have worked there understand that.

al Furqaan
October 28, 2012, 05:47 AM
Let me say that Julien will likely never return for two reasons:

1. He has a better paid role and is highly respected in Pakistan
2. He was let down by Mustafa Kamal who shook his hand on an extension to his role and then Julien's job was advertised while he attended his dying father in England

From my viewpoint, I have been a successful Head Coach with Dhaka Gladiators and was asked to return by Mustafa Kamal in February to be with the national team in some capacity. I have heard nothing from the BCB since.

In life, you can only ever judge people by their actions and not their words. This is never more true than in Bangladesh. Those of us who have worked there understand that.

Coach, with two coaching stints in the country you now realize the ugly truth: we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity. All politicians are liars, and in Bangladesh everyone is a politician. Subcontinent in general is a cesspool of corrupt and uncivilized people, Bangladesh epitomizes that.

I was raised by my parents with the understanding that a promise or a commitment must be kept to fulfillment even if it breaks your back...next time don't make such promises! I was taught by my religion that the laborer must be paid for his work "before the sweat from his brow dries." Clearly those who made deals with Coach Fountain and those who contracted you to coach in BPL weren't raised with such ideals.

But knowing this, people like you and Richard McInnes have the passion to continue and try to help a nation that really doesn't care to help herself. We as fans can only salute you and wish we had the same conviction in our day to day lives.

So I ask you, why wait for the BCB, why not put in an offer for the HC job yourself? Get your people to talk to their people. We could use a guy who unlike Pybus is under no false assurance of what to expect once the plane lands.

zinatf
October 28, 2012, 05:59 AM
Coach, with two coaching stints in the country you now realize the ugly truth: we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity. All politicians are liars, and in Bangladesh everyone is a politician. Subcontinent in general is a cesspool of corrupt and uncivilized people, Bangladesh epitomizes that.

I was raised by my parents with the understanding that a promise or a commitment must be kept to fulfillment even if it breaks your back...next time don't make such promises! I was taught by my religion that the laborer must be paid for his work "before the sweat from his brow dries." Clearly those who made deals with Coach Fountain and those who contracted you to coach in BPL weren't raised with such ideals.

But knowing this, people like you and Richard McInnes have the passion to continue and try to help a nation that really doesn't care to help herself. We as fans can only salute you and wish we had the same conviction in our day to day lives.

So I ask you, why wait for the BCB, why not put in an offer for the HC job yourself? Get your people to talk to their people. We could use a guy who unlike Pybus is under no false assurance of what to expect once the plane lands.

Post of the day Asaad bhai :up::up::up::up::up:

reyme
October 28, 2012, 06:19 AM
With new president or upcoming new president we can only hope for the best...

Yes, agree with Al Furqaan, instead of wait for BCB why not just contact BCB through agents about your desire to coach BD and your expectation in return. You never know, anything is possible. I do believe they are looking for a full time coach who will stay in Dhaka permanently like McInnes.

Ian Pont
October 28, 2012, 01:58 PM
Coach, with two coaching stints in the country you now realize the ugly truth: we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity. All politicians are liars, and in Bangladesh everyone is a politician. Subcontinent in general is a cesspool of corrupt and uncivilized people, Bangladesh epitomizes that.

I was raised by my parents with the understanding that a promise or a commitment must be kept to fulfillment even if it breaks your back...next time don't make such promises! I was taught by my religion that the laborer must be paid for his work "before the sweat from his brow dries." Clearly those who made deals with Coach Fountain and those who contracted you to coach in BPL weren't raised with such ideals.

But knowing this, people like you and Richard McInnes have the passion to continue and try to help a nation that really doesn't care to help herself. We as fans can only salute you and wish we had the same conviction in our day to day lives.

So I ask you, why wait for the BCB, why not put in an offer for the HC job yourself? Get your people to talk to their people. We could use a guy who unlike Pybus is under no false assurance of what to expect once the plane lands.

This is, without doubt, singularly the best forum post I have ever read. :notworthy:

TigerMan
October 28, 2012, 03:21 PM
If Ponty does apply, there is hope of him taking over as there is a new president im pretty sure he wouldn't let this chance go!

Crickbang
October 28, 2012, 09:12 PM
Ian, go for it man. Dooo it!! We are with you. Contact BCB and push them hard to give you gig or apply the very first thing once they open up the application process. Get after it man. You can be a great coach for us. I can feeellll it! Let's goo. IAN PONT FOR HEAD COACH!! WE WANT YOU IAN! Oh one more thing, please sign the contract first and foremost if they hire you :)

BrianLara7
October 28, 2012, 09:34 PM
Ian, go for it man. Dooo it!! We are with you. Contact BCB and push them hard to give you gig or apply the very first thing once they open up the application process. Get after it man. You can be a great coach for us. I can feeellll it! Let's goo. IAN PONT FOR HEAD COACH!! WE WANT YOU IAN! Oh one more thing, please sign the contract first and foremost if they hire you :)

:floor:

Naimul_Hd
October 29, 2012, 03:21 AM
Coach, with two coaching stints in the country you now realize the ugly truth: we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity. All politicians are liars, and in Bangladesh everyone is a politician. Subcontinent in general is a cesspool of corrupt and uncivilized people, Bangladesh epitomizes that.


This statement itself shows how low and how cheap we think about ourselves.

Just for few corrupted politicians (who unfortunately run our country) you can't just make a general statement like that. When you talk about a nation/people, you better learn the history first and then make a statement.

Very offensive/insulting post, to say the least. Sorry.

Razi
October 29, 2012, 03:33 AM
^^ Ditto bro, couldn't agree more!

BengaliPagol
October 29, 2012, 03:34 AM
:floor:

Does something seem funny to you?

firstlane
October 29, 2012, 04:36 AM
This statement itself shows how low and how cheap we think about ourselves.

Just for few corrupted politicians (who unfortunately run our country) you can't just make a general statement like that. When you talk about a nation/people, you better learn the history first and than make a statement.

Very offensive/insulting post, to say the least. Sorry.

No wonder that post was liked by some!

Mav
October 29, 2012, 06:48 AM
I think if you accept the job in BD you accept it knowing you have to live in BD - and your family either join you (Jamie) and you make a life, or they don't (Stuart Law, Richard Pybus) and you just get on with it. You cannot accept a role and THEN use family reasons as an excuse.

Whether you agree or not with his reasons, Lance Kluesener refused the bowling role due to family. Mick Newell withdrew for the same reasons as potential Head Coach. Honest and respected decisions.

We have seen Craig McDermott (Aus), Damien Wright (Aus in NZ) leaving key roles due to 'family' reasons or wanting to be back home. Allan Donald even did it to NZ and then Australia to take up SA role. McDermott was even stranger as this was his own country and he had been a player so knew what life was like.

It isn't just BD therefore that has these issues, but I suspect living in Dhaka is viewed as more of a challenge than living in Sydney or Auckland.

Simply put, the BCB will always have to offer higher salaries than some other countries to even get coaches to want to apply.

I enjoyed Dhaka personally (traffic aside) and felt it is possible to build a life there as a foreigner.

You have to assess whether the estimated money spent since Dav Whatmore in 2007 world cup on certain Coaches has been well spent and taken BD cricket forward. The harsh reality of Test rankings points and ODI rankings points might tell the truth.

The answer is to either appoint someone passionate about developing BD as a nation, and build a coaching staff of like-minded support staff like RM, or to appoint a BD coach and give them a chance. At least a local coach cannot use the excuse of being homesick, unable to convince his family or not understanding the politics of a government run board wanting to interfere in the team.

I am talking about making a difference in BD despite all coach issues, not a lot of issues you replied. And if one cannot, the coach should leave, respecting his profession. I am saying, of course its hard for u coaches in BD to implement improvement from your experience having to deal with coach issues and problems/corruption we have, but coaches had made changes here, the names I mentioned.

If a coach cant make changes due to whatever complication/Coach issues they have in BD and with BCB, isnt it a better idea to leave BD and find a better job somewhere else where you can put your improvement strategies straight, for a team? If I were a dignified coach and have respect for my experience, i would go anywhere else in the world and stay where i have the authority I should have and see my ideas working - I dont have to complain about less facilities/complication and still cash in whatever hefty salary BCB or any franchise offer.

For example, as a fan of Bangladesh cricket, I myself dont see if you (yourself) were able to implement any changes in the national side as a bowling coach, whether it was all complications/coach issues you faced with BCB or not. I dont know if you quit or were released, but since you are staying in BD and is working there with Dhaka Gladiator, I hope you are staying because you think you can make some changes on a small scale at least, with Dhaka gladiators, despite all problems in BD or with BCB or franchisees.
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And based on what you replied, Yes ofcourse, family reasons or the challenge of living in BD must not be an excuse for leaving a role. Richard Pybus actually mentioned many more reasons with cricinfo on why he chose to end the position.

I actually respect his decision to leave, beside the one excuse of family. He chose to leave because his position was undermined and he didnt have the authority as a national coach he should have. Thats a solid decision to leave, he didnt stay for salary.

And the last 5 paragraphs you mentioned, yea, well said and we are also well aware that we must appoint like minded people who have passion for BD cricket and can work despite coach issues and can make some changes. And thats not something alien to us, we have seen such coaches. Yes we are ranked at the bottom, and we know why so, we got problems. But like u hinted and If I may add -

BD is for coaches who see the potential and passion for cricket in this country, and stay despite all problems/coach issues they have to face with BCB/living in BD and make little changes that they can, dignifying the salary they are getting in the process. Its not an alien concept but proven by few.

BrianLara7
October 29, 2012, 11:25 AM
This statement itself shows how low and how cheap we think about ourselves.

Just for few corrupted politicians (who unfortunately run our country) you can't just make a general statement like that. When you talk about a nation/people, you better learn the history first and then make a statement.

Very offensive/insulting post, to say the least. Sorry.

Truth hurts, look at BD's corruption level (ranked among the worst countries), per capita income, poverty, healthcare etc.... All we are good at is getting offended and complaining about unfairness.

Naimul_Hd
October 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
Truth hurts, look at BD's corruption level (ranked among the worst countries), per capita income, poverty, healthcare etc.... All we are good at is getting offended and complaining about unfairness.

Tell me a country where there is no corruption at all !! And how come per capita income, poverty and poor healthcare make us 'disgraceful' nation ?

Its same as calling all muslims 'terrorist' just because of few bad apples in the society. If you feel ashamed to be called yourself as 'bangladeshi' just because we are poor and third world country then i have nothing but to feel sorry for you.

kalpurush
October 29, 2012, 01:10 PM
Tell me a country where there is no corruption at all !!


Why we have to justify ourselves better by making others corrupt?




And how come per capita income, poverty and poor healthcare make us 'disgraceful' nation ?

Isn't there a relationship there?

I thought poverty is one of the main reasons why people transform themselves into a "monstar", no?

BrianLara7
October 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Tell me a country where there is no corruption at all !! And how come per capita income, poverty and poor healthcare make us 'disgraceful' nation ?

Its same as calling all muslims 'terrorist' just because of few bad apples in the society. If you feel ashamed to be called yourself as 'bangladeshi' just because we are poor and third world country then i have nothing but to feel sorry for you.

If a country has 0.1 percent people as corrupt and another one as 5 percent you would say both are equal? There are no countries with non existent corruption but the fact is Bangladesh is among the worst, there is a massive difference. Maybe you need better comprehension skills. A few bad apples in the society would be Turkey, not Bangladesh where corruption is the norm not an exception.

BrianLara7
October 29, 2012, 01:49 PM
Why we have to justify ourselves better by making others corrupt?




Isn't there a relationship there?

I thought poverty is one of the main reasons why people transform themselves into a "monstar", no?

There is a direct and very strong link between poverty and crime/ corruption so yes.

riad
October 29, 2012, 02:09 PM
"we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity."

This is harsh in any sense.

Ajfar
October 29, 2012, 03:09 PM
It should have been BCB as a board/organization is a disgrace to our nation. Last I checked 20+ board administrator's and Loitta doesn't make up all of Bangladesh.

Navo
October 29, 2012, 03:24 PM
:clap: :clap:

The thread has become substantially de-railed but it is interesting to see which members make their presumptions and assumptions about Bangladesh from online news clippings and decontexualized, often faulty WB, IMF, etc statistics.

Really, if you think TI's corruption index really reflects the extent of corruption in all of society rather than just a particular segment, then I'm left speechless.

meazz1
October 29, 2012, 04:35 PM
To the outside world, BD is a corrupt country and that's a fact, but there are lots of good people in BD.
Back in 1983, I was in the french embassy in Belgium for visa to France. I was told that no visa for anyone who carries a BD passport.
Moral of the story, a few bad apples can ruin the bunch.

firstlane
October 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
There is a trend I notice. Some people like to present the country the worst possible way they can to others. By doing that they try to prove that they have the courage to admit it, so they are better and different from the pack. It's kind of like our opposition parties- they scream their lungs out to let the outside world know how bad the county is doing when they are not in power.

BrianLara7
October 29, 2012, 04:57 PM
:clap: :clap:

The thread has become substantially de-railed but it is interesting to see which members make their presumptions and assumptions about Bangladesh from online news clippings and decontexualized, often faulty WB, IMF, etc statistics.

Really, if you think TI's corruption index really reflects the extent of corruption in all of society rather than just a particular segment, then I'm left speechless.

Have you ever lived in Bangladesh? Do you know everytime you want to get something done with the police you have to give bribe? To get admitted in public hospital you have to bribe or you might not get a bed, in university/ college you have to bribe. If you get caught cheating in exam you can give bribe and get away, if you commit a crime then it's very easy to get away if you can pay the price. Ever tried to fight the system? Well then you risk physical harm as well as getting in trouble with the authorities. Freedom of speech? Say what you want as long as you don't offend the rich/ powerful or go against the majority, otherwise consequences will be terrible.Try living in one of the more rural areas and you will see things even more shocking.

RazabQ
October 30, 2012, 11:28 PM
Stick to the thread topic people! - Mod

Fazal
November 5, 2012, 12:36 PM
This thread is pretty much liveless. Looks like nothing more to discuss about 'coach issues".

Can we please change the thread title to someting like "our corruption issues" and continue to discuss how corrupted we are compared to the rest of the world.... and ofcourse after thainkg proper clearance to move forward from the MOD.

Dhakablues
November 5, 2012, 02:53 PM
This thread is pretty much liveless. Looks like nothing more to discuss about 'coach issues".

Can we please change the thread title to someting like "our corruption issues" and continue to discuss how corrupted we are compared to the rest of the world.... and ofcourse after thainkg proper clearance to move forward from the MOD.

Before we do the Akika of the thread,, are there any discussions going on about hiring a new coach? Or that curcial issue just fell through the crack with the elections, WI tour etc. ?

Gowza
November 6, 2012, 01:39 AM
Before we do the Akika of the thread,, are there any discussions going on about hiring a new coach? Or that curcial issue just fell through the crack with the elections, WI tour etc. ?

yep surprised we haven't heard anything about the coach hunt.

shuziburo
November 6, 2012, 12:03 PM
I enjoyed Dhaka personally (traffic aside) and felt it is possible to build a life there as a foreigner.


I was in Dhaka in the summer for 3 months and this was preciously my sentiment. (And, I grew up in Bangladesh.) Thank you, Ian. Dhaka was a beautiful city, but we need a time machine to go back at least 15 years to show you that city.

shuziburo
November 6, 2012, 12:07 PM
I hope Ian begins his national head coaching career with us and wins his first Cup.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for Ian and Fountain. We need someone like them who truly care and also highly qualified to provide hands on training...

shuziburo
November 6, 2012, 12:10 PM
In our house, lying is never forgiven. Our daughter knows it very well. If I catch anyone lying just once, I never can trust that person. Then again, can you trust any politician? BD politician or not.

Let me say that Julien will likely never return for two reasons:

1. He has a better paid role and is highly respected in Pakistan
2. He was let down by Mustafa Kamal who shook his hand on an extension to his role and then Julien's job was advertised while he attended his dying father in England

From my viewpoint, I have been a successful Head Coach with Dhaka Gladiators and was asked to return by Mustafa Kamal in February to be with the national team in some capacity. I have heard nothing from the BCB since.

In life, you can only ever judge people by their actions and not their words. This is never more true than in Bangladesh. Those of us who have worked there understand that.

shuziburo
November 6, 2012, 12:13 PM
Your post showed that you truly are a sage. However, I would say that there still are a lot of honest men and women in Bangladesh. I met quite a few in Bangladesh this summer. They proved their honesty by their actions, not words.

Coach, with two coaching stints in the country you now realize the ugly truth: we, as a nation/peoples, are disgraceful. We have no dignity. All politicians are liars, and in Bangladesh everyone is a politician. Subcontinent in general is a cesspool of corrupt and uncivilized people, Bangladesh epitomizes that.

I was raised by my parents with the understanding that a promise or a commitment must be kept to fulfillment even if it breaks your back...next time don't make such promises! I was taught by my religion that the laborer must be paid for his work "before the sweat from his brow dries." Clearly those who made deals with Coach Fountain and those who contracted you to coach in BPL weren't raised with such ideals.

But knowing this, people like you and Richard McInnes have the passion to continue and try to help a nation that really doesn't care to help herself. We as fans can only salute you and wish we had the same conviction in our day to day lives.

So I ask you, why wait for the BCB, why not put in an offer for the HC job yourself? Get your people to talk to their people. We could use a guy who unlike Pybus is under no false assurance of what to expect once the plane lands.

Dilscoop
November 10, 2012, 01:33 AM
When will they get a permanent coach? Did they even make a short list?

They should take notes from the Lakers.

jeesh
November 10, 2012, 02:41 AM
Still no news. Maybe they will want to make SJ the head coach :P

Sohel
November 10, 2012, 03:33 AM
Making Nazza! coach and captain will solve all of our problems, including cricket related ones. Give it a go and see what happens before presuming anything.

BANFAN
November 10, 2012, 03:44 AM
Still no news. Maybe they will want to make SJ the head coach :P

They will probably see the outcome of this series before taking any decision...

Sohel
November 10, 2012, 03:46 AM
In the meantime, it's great to almost always run into the coaching staff at the North End Coffee Roasters. Always in uniform with their iPads, Facebooking the week away.

Ian Pont
November 10, 2012, 03:10 PM
In the meantime, it's great to almost always run into the coaching staff at the North End Coffee Roasters. Always in uniform with their iPads, Facebooking the week away.

How times have changed....

Murad
November 10, 2012, 04:02 PM
We don't have any international games after WI series for like 4/5 months. SO whats the point of hiring a coach now? To give him paid vacations?
All the national players will be busy with NCL franchises, DPL and BPL after WI series is over.

BCB has enough time to think about a new coach. BCB always hire good head coaches for national team. Have patience guys. :)

Ian Pont
November 11, 2012, 03:21 AM
We don't have any international games after WI series for like 4/5 months. SO whats the point of hiring a coach now? To give him paid vacations?
All the national players will be busy with NCL franchises, DPL and BPL after WI series is over.

BCB has enough time to think about a new coach. BCB always hire good head coaches for national team. Have patience guys. :)

Hang on a minute.. wasn't this the very point that successive head coaches made about wanting to go home when there was no coaching for them to do?

And haven't successive head coaches been slammed for wanting to be away from Bangladesh?

You either have an active Head Coach who works with players or you don't, but you cannot have it both ways if they want time with their family because they have nothing to do....