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MarvinDaMartian
October 25, 2012, 03:35 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/bangladesh/9630824/Bangladeshs-embarrassing-lack-of-improvement-since-getting-Test-status-pours-shame-on-ICCs-rushed-decision.html



Bangladesh's embarrassing lack of improvement since getting Test status pours shame on ICC's rushed decision

Twelve years ago next month Bangladesh played their first ever Test match, against India in Dhaka, and there is distressingly little evidence to suggest that they have improved.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02377/bell_2377934b.jpg In the runs: Ian Bell flicks the ball for four off some very average Bangladesh bowling Photo: REUTERS

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01782/ScyldBerry_60_1782356j.jpg (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/scyldberry/)
By Scyld Berry (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/scyldberry/)

2:36PM BST 24 Oct 2012



In their inaugural Test innings, fired by patriotic pride, Bangladesh (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/bangladesh/)’s batsmen fought their way to 400 on a very slow pitch. In their second innings they collapsed against India, and lost by a big margin – and the same has been happening pretty much ever since.





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jeesh
October 25, 2012, 03:48 AM
Difficult time for Bangladeshi cricket. And vultures and hyenas are in action.

Zunaid
October 25, 2012, 03:50 AM
Scyld Berry has been sniping at us since day one. The problem is this: we have nothing to counter him with. All we can do us put our tail between our legs and slink away. Thanks BCB.

Nadim
October 25, 2012, 03:58 AM
Shujug e shod bebohar...
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (Blackberry)

Isnaad
October 25, 2012, 04:27 AM
As if we are playing 3-4 tests every month. The last test match that we've played was 11 months ago. We played a total of 5 test matches in the last 28 months and our only opponents were Pakistan, West Indies and Zimbabwe.
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I would say this is an absolutely ridiculous timing for such an article. Yes, our statistics don't come to our help but the fact that we have a Test status shouldn't bother them because we haven't played against any of the top teams in a while anyways.

Jadukor
October 25, 2012, 04:37 AM
^^ it's a vicious cycle man. We play crap and because of it top sides don't want to play us which explains the 11 months wait between tests which in turn sinks our test standards further. The only way out of this is a strong first class cricket in which the national players participate so that they are well trained in the longer format before any series.

Isnaad
October 25, 2012, 05:05 AM
According to this writer, Bangladesh has had only 2 players averaging 30 or more in test cricket. WRONG. 5 players from Bangladesh have an average of 30 or more and 3 more have their averages above 29. Did not do his homework did he?
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In addition to that, the writer was very clever in limiting the average for bowlers to 39 and adding that only Shakib has an average below 39. Well, still he is WRONG. 5 bowlers from Bangladesh average below 39. And if 10 wickets or more are taken into account, still there are 2 bowlers who fit into that criteria. And when I said, the author was clever with picking bowlers averaging 39 or below I meant: 4 bowlers average between 39.01 and 42 and they have picked significant amount of wickets.
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It's amazing how someone who does not get his stats right writes for a newspaper as big as The Telegraph.

Isnaad
October 25, 2012, 05:22 AM
And wow, something even more hilarious:
"In 50-over and 20-over cricket Bangladesh spring a surprise about once a year by winning."
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Where are your stats to back that up Mr. Scyld Berry?
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Considering Bangladesh's 50-over run:
Bangladesh's win:loss ratio against G8 teams:
In the last 7 years: 0.23:1
In the last 5 years: 0.26:1
In the last 3 years: 0.32:1
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"A win about once a year" sounds a bit too harsh now does it not? Now one may argue, West Indies backed their second string team back in 2009, take that out of the equation. Well, then there you go, the last three years row excludes that.

BANFAN
October 25, 2012, 05:45 AM
Well, he might have manipulated stats, but even if fill advantage is given to us, still it will not say that we have shown very good improvement against G8. And when people see such inefficient management by BCB, hope of a rapid improvement diminishes further. So we really don't have any option but to keep quiet and respond by showing undeniable improvements. That largely depends on the quality of manage,net we are able to provide.

Isnaad
October 25, 2012, 05:51 AM
Well, he might have manipulated stats, but even if fill advantage is given to us, still it will not say that we have shown very good improvement against G8. And when people see such inefficient management by BCB, hope of a rapid improvement diminishes further. So we really don't have any option but to keep quiet and respond by showing undeniable improvements. That largely depends on the quality of manage,net we are able to provide.

Agreed. Still, an article with such incorrect stats is acceptable by no means. Someone needs to go and tell him to get his stats right.

Maysun
October 25, 2012, 05:57 AM
I get the thrashing, but the exaggeration and without the right stats backing the piece, makes the article a FAIL.

Roni_uk
October 25, 2012, 07:01 AM
24 hours on... the article has

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October 25, 2012, 07:07 AM
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atleast he made us read this crap :P

BANFAN
October 25, 2012, 07:49 AM
I get the thrashing, but the exaggeration and without the right stats backing the piece, makes the article a FAIL.

Agreed. Still, an article with such incorrect stats is acceptable by no means. Someone needs to go and tell him to get his stats right.

I agree that he had been manipulative.

Think, we have 5 holes and he tries to make it 10, will you walk up to him and prove/acknowledge that you have 5 ? or just try to first cover up those five and then walk up to him? Choice is ours.....

mij
October 25, 2012, 08:06 AM
As if we are playing 3-4 tests every month. The last test match that we've played was 11 months ago. We played a total of 5 test matches in the last 28 months and our only opponents were Pakistan, West Indies and Zimbabwe.
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I would say this is an absolutely ridiculous timing for such an article. Yes, our statistics don't come to our help but the fact that we have a Test status shouldn't bother them because we haven't played against any of the top teams in a while anyways.

:up::up::up:

He is chatting rubbish. Don't bother with his article.

Naimul_Hd
October 25, 2012, 08:09 AM
didn't bother to read. Garbage. waste of time.

simon
October 25, 2012, 08:28 AM
tabijch please!

didn't even read , rather enjoyed reading Isnu miya's posts. :up:

Naimul_Hd
October 25, 2012, 08:41 AM
@ Isnaad, post your comments on their 'user comment' section. That would help other readers to get full picture and to understand how biased the writer was.

meazz1
October 25, 2012, 08:47 AM
Bottom line, play better and this type rubbish will stop. Until, pay no attention.

Naimul_Hd
October 25, 2012, 08:50 AM
Bottom line, play better and this type rubbish will stop. Until, pay no attention.

where was he when BD whitewashed NZ and won series against WI ? Where was he when BD beat Ind, SL and became runners up in Asia Cup ?

Doesn't matter how good you perform, as soon as you start to perform bad, those critics will come again and show how poor you are ignoring your success stories. That's what i hate most.

Ian Pont
October 25, 2012, 09:17 AM
It is difficult not to agree with the essence of the article I have to admit. Apart from the odd mistaken figure, the facts are pretty much laid bare.

It doesn't reflect the subtle improvements since September 2010 (Banglawash vs NZ, beating England at a WC, wins over India & SL at Asia Cup), but the trend is not really upwards and the individual efforts of the players as a unit is just not improving. This is not a place for comparisons with others from more favoured countries yet a simple example of England's number 7, Matt Prior, who averages above 42 with 6 centuries, and you can see where this article is going.

What is likely prompting SB to write this is the fact that Pybus has come out with many issues behind the scenes that appear to restrict progress (in his view) and the fact that Ireland will be soon making their excellent case for Test status. I can't deny I would expect Ireland to overtake Bangladesh in Test nation rankings within a few years due to their coaching ethos and organisation, plus player attitude. Their players already gaining valuable experience in English county cricket.

SB's article implies some sort of paralysis and stagnation of both ideas and output in Bangladesh. He puts the blame at the ex-President's door for that. I believe that unless and until the board is truly independently elected (and not a government appointed board) that the last 12 years will continue. You just have to have cricket people running cricket, with a genuine knowledge of what needs to be done and a will to do it.

For all of us who have a passion for cricket development in Bangladesh, there are many more who prefer to keep it as it is for various non-cricket reasons.

Sport can often just be used a vehicle of financial control and power by those who do not have cricket matters at their own heart. I think if you read between the lines in this SG article, that is what he was perhaps touching on.

Just by putting collective fingers in ears and going "la,la,la" to drown out what's being said in these articles, doesn't make them any less true. Instead, it would be prudent to delve deeper and see what can be done to improve. At least someone is bothering to highlight genuine issues.

mufi_02
October 25, 2012, 09:43 AM
No doubt we have been a total disappointment as a test side. We got the test status too soon without a viable first class system in place. Even after 12 years, its still not in correct shape or form. Reflecting the title of the article "Playing BD, batsmen's dream", even Jason Gillespie scored a double century against us.

We need to play more and more FC games. Our domestic calendar should be --

4 months of NCL (FC)
1 month regional tournament (picking best 60 players from NCL and then divide East/West/North/South)
2 months DPL
1 month BPL

That's 8 months of cricket and 4 months of break in between. That should be enough for the fringe and less knows players to avoid having Aftab-esque physique.

meazz1
October 25, 2012, 09:57 AM
where was he when BD whitewashed NZ and won series against WI ? Where was he when BD beat Ind, SL and became runners up in Asia Cup ?

Doesn't matter how good you perform, as soon as you start to perform bad, those critics will come again and show how poor you are ignoring your success stories. That's what i hate most.

If we can count our successes for last 10+ yrs with one hand, that tells you all.

AsifTheManRahman
October 25, 2012, 10:29 AM
Wow, so much denial. Let's fix our problems first before retaliating. The gist of the article is valid even if the details are exaggerated.

BrianLara7
October 25, 2012, 10:42 AM
Scyld berry is a fool, but his point still stands. As long as we keep on complaining and our sissies make no efforts to actually prove the haters wrong nothing is going to change.

BrianLara7
October 25, 2012, 10:45 AM
By the way Scyld berry is one of the most jingoistic and arrogant cricketer writers of our times (England and India have the most). His most famous piece in recent times was the one about how South Africa were doing such an injustice to the Queen's land by not coming "fully prepared".. turns out they were only prepared enough to thrash the mighty World nation xi 2-0 and take the world's no.1 ranking. Scyld berry unsurprisingly did not comment further on this issue.

roman
October 25, 2012, 10:46 AM
We need a reality check. Seriously. We havent done anything world shattering that will make people say Bangladesh is a good side. Few wins here And there are just not good enough to shut critics mouth.

Let's face it. After 12 years of playing test cricket do we have the attack to take 20 wickets? Do we have the batsmen to score 200+? We are still struggling to find a decent pacer, decent opening batsman. I absolutely agree with Meazz1. We simply don't have enough success to shut the critics. And I think we really don't have the willpower to change this thorny situation

Raynman
October 25, 2012, 10:49 AM
stats can be manipulated easily.

If you choose to put on rose colored glasses and say, BD in their last 50 over encouters defeated IND, SL, WI, ENG and NZ not to mention ZIM, NED, IRE as well but that does not mean we belong in the top half of the ODI world.

Bottom line is until our winning habits prove consistent we have to abosorb the criticism thrown at us.

I'm not sure what the full solution is or if it is attainable (Board corrections, internal dev programs etc.) but I really feel that partnering up with ZIM and IRE to have continuous tours between them while inviting one or more G8 nations in each trip for a multi national tournament will benefit all of these countries. I'm sure SA (when in NZ), ENG (when in IRE) and IND/SL/PAK (when in BD) will be willing to send their teams schedule permitting.

BrianLara7
October 25, 2012, 01:27 PM
stats can be manipulated easily.

If you choose to put on rose colored glasses and say, BD in their last 50 over encouters defeated IND, SL, WI, ENG and NZ not to mention ZIM, NED, IRE as well but that does not mean we belong in the top half of the ODI world.

Bottom line is until our winning habits prove consistent we have to abosorb the criticism thrown at us.

I'm not sure what the full solution is or if it is attainable (Board corrections, internal dev programs etc.) but I really feel that partnering up with ZIM and IRE to have continuous tours between them while inviting one or more G8 nations in each trip for a multi national tournament will benefit all of these countries. I'm sure SA (when in NZ), ENG (when in IRE) and IND/SL/PAK (when in BD) will be willing to send their teams schedule permitting.

What we need is an Imran Khan... or someone similar. TO turn these bunch of pussycats into world beaters... need a change of attitude.. atleast if not Imran then someone like Ganguly.

mufi_02
October 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
What we need is an Imran Khan... or someone similar. TO turn these bunch of pussycats into world beaters... need a change of attitude.. atleast if not Imran then someone like Ganguly.

we have Shakib Al Hasan :). He can be our Imran Khan/ Mansoor Patuadi/ Ranatunga. If not Shakib, then I don't see anyone else in the next 10-15 years.

mij
October 25, 2012, 06:46 PM
Scyld Berry saying what I been hearing since Bangladesh start playing cricket, if you ask my 4 years old boy he can tell you Bangladesh is rubbish. He is not saying anything new basically he got nothing better to write.

BrianLara7
October 25, 2012, 09:10 PM
we have Shakib Al Hasan :). He can be our Imran Khan/ Mansoor Patuadi/ Ranatunga. If not Shakib, then I don't see anyone else in the next 10-15 years.

Shakib as a player might be comparable to them but I was talking about a leader like Imran Khan. Every single player who has come in to the team under Imran (Wasim, waqar etc) has credit much of their success to Imran and his leadership as well as his knowledge of cricket (batting, bowling). We need someone like that

shakibrulz
October 26, 2012, 12:53 AM
This has been discussed to death - thanks for your pearl of wisdom, Scythe. Rather than pointing out the subtle improvements and stay more objective, he goes on a rant that gives cricinfo commenters a tough competition.

Haradhon
October 26, 2012, 10:49 AM
Well, not to be totally pessimistic, there has been some progress and improvement to overall quality of players, although one can say the progress is slower than expected. The cricketers from newer generation has a better sense of cricket and a good example of that is Nasir. If you guys are referring to Shakib being the only quality player, please include Tamim and Nasir too. It is true that our bowling is not intrusive enough to win a game when needed. I was expecting to have at least one spinner who can take wickets when needed. But what has happened during the past 12 years is that a slow improvement. So I remain optimistic as such more of Nasir-type players will be added to the team. In the mean time we have to feed our teens a little more geneticlly engineered crop and let them grow their muscles while spinners take their load

al Furqaan
October 26, 2012, 04:02 PM
Maybe the gist of the content is true (despite some usual hyperbolic statements) but I don't see how this article is any different from that one published right after the T20 that seemed to have been just been updated and published. This is a totally random article.

BengaliPagol
October 26, 2012, 05:06 PM
we are just a group of fans denying the fact that Bangladesh are a crap team.

al Furqaan
October 26, 2012, 05:29 PM
we are just a group of fans denying the fact that Bangladesh are a crap team.

Wait, who has claimed that Bangladesh is a good side? I didn't see any posts. How is this op-ed any different from a hypothetical political piece that would cite Bangladesh's corruption and overall living standards to argue that her statehood should be revoked? Or UN membership was given too early without the necessary infrastructure and that we should be demoted to observer status or as a permenent non-state member?

Its one thing for a Bangladeshi to criticize because its almost necessarily constructive. But the exact same content coming from most non-Bangladeshis is going to have a completely different conotation. At least thats my view.

Zunaid
October 26, 2012, 08:59 PM
Alf - bad analogy. Membership to the UN or statehood is independent of governance else 100s of country's will need to be expelled from the UN and be denied statehood. Membership to the elite Test status has some concomitant standards that need to be met. You and I may agree that we meet that now but it is also fair to say that others may disagree.

al Furqaan
October 26, 2012, 11:10 PM
Alf - bad analogy. Membership to the UN or statehood is independent of governance else 100s of country's will need to be expelled from the UN and be denied statehood. Membership to the elite Test status has some concomitant standards that need to be met. You and I may agree that we meet that now but it is also fair to say that others may disagree.

The UN would have to expel everyone! But you'd have to say that the country is doing a poorer job of governance than the cricket team is of playing cricket. And they've been doing it since 1971. At least I think so.

Mustafa Kamal as much as I dislike him, if the franchising of the FC cricket actually works out and the central contracts remain and expand in the coming years will have probably been one of our best administrators, if not the best.

Perhaps this analogy works better. Imagine a Democrat's critique of the Obama presidency. Then imagine Ann Coulter's. Surely you wouldn't say Coulter's is as valid as say Jimmy Carter's?

This fellow says we've skewed cricket statistics. He mentions SR Tendulkar as an example. This is hardly different from Ann Coulter spreading the fear that Obama is really a communist. They have equal morsel's of truth. We can't deny that Obama is a conservative but that doesn't make him a commie. Similarly, no one denies we SUCK, but he's using disingenous means to make an otherwise valid point.

We've played Australia in exactly 4 tests. How will those skew the overall stats of the Aussies who've played 500+ matches? Sure Tendy averages almost 3x as much against us as he does otherwise. But we've also played a correspondingly fewer number of Tests. We're playing our first test after 11 months...does he want 11 year gaps? Oh wait, he probably wants us to not play at all.

Sohel
October 27, 2012, 05:53 AM
We suck and have utterly and often spectacularly failed to meet the entire spectrum of expectations as a test playing nation. The truth is at once brutal and sufficient. So it's extremely annoying to observe those who feel the itch to resort to suppositions and dishonesty when neither is necessary. We in Bangladesh are used to this type of behavior thanks to our major political parties.

We'll simply have to take the malicious venom from noted enemies like Scyld Berry until we begin to do the right things and win matches in the process.

meazz1
October 27, 2012, 07:52 AM
We suck and have utterly and often spectacularly failed to meet the entire spectrum of expectations as a test playing nation. The truth is at once brutal and sufficient. So it's extremely annoying to observe those who feel the itch to resort to suppositions and dishonesty when neither is necessary. We in Bangladesh are used to this type of behavior thanks to our major political parties.

We'll simply have to take the malicious venom from noted enemies like Scyld Berry until we begin to do the right things and win matches in the process.

Agreed 100%.
You couldn't have said any better!

BrianLara7
October 27, 2012, 11:24 AM
The UN would have to expel everyone! But you'd have to say that the country is doing a poorer job of governance than the cricket team is of playing cricket. And they've been doing it since 1971. At least I think so.

Mustafa Kamal as much as I dislike him, if the franchising of the FC cricket actually works out and the central contracts remain and expand in the coming years will have probably been one of our best administrators, if not the best.

Perhaps this analogy works better. Imagine a Democrat's critique of the Obama presidency. Then imagine Ann Coulter's. Surely you wouldn't say Coulter's is as valid as say Jimmy Carter's?

This fellow says we've skewed cricket statistics. He mentions SR Tendulkar as an example. This is hardly different from Ann Coulter spreading the fear that Obama is really a communist. They have equal morsel's of truth. We can't deny that Obama is a conservative but that doesn't make him a commie. Similarly, no one denies we SUCK, but he's using disingenous means to make an otherwise valid point.

We've played Australia in exactly 4 tests. How will those skew the overall stats of the Aussies who've played 500+ matches? Sure Tendy averages almost 3x as much against us as he does otherwise. But we've also played a correspondingly fewer number of Tests. We're playing our first test after 11 months...does he want 11 year gaps? Oh wait, he probably wants us to not play at all.

Playing against Bangladesh has skewed tendulkar's statistics in a big way, he averages 136 against us with 5 hundreds... and also has 3 hundreds against Zimbabwe... without these he averages 52 with 43 hundreds.. while Sangakara and Kallis average above 54 if you take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. Tendulkar needs to thank bangladesh in a big way, thanks to them he got his 100th 100 after failing for a year against good teams.. and thanks to them for raising his average by 3 points and giving 5 test hundreds.

mij
October 27, 2012, 02:02 PM
Playing against Bangladesh has skewed tendulkar's statistics in a big way, he averages 136 against us with 5 hundreds... and also has 3 hundreds against Zimbabwe... without these he averages 52 with 43 hundreds.. while Sangakara and Kallis average above 54 if you take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. Tendulkar needs to thank bangladesh in a big way, thanks to them he got his 100th 100 after failing for a year against good teams.. and thanks to them for raising his average by 3 points and giving 5 test hundreds.

WOW... you know alot.

BengaliPagol
October 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
Tendulkar needs to thank bangladesh in a big way, thanks to them he got his 100th 100 after failing for a year against good teams.

No one has to thank anyone because we beat India in the game which Tendulkar got his 10th hundred.

al Furqaan
October 27, 2012, 06:25 PM
Playing against Bangladesh has skewed tendulkar's statistics in a big way, he averages 136 against us with 5 hundreds... and also has 3 hundreds against Zimbabwe... without these he averages 52 with 43 hundreds.. while Sangakara and Kallis average above 54 if you take out Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. Tendulkar needs to thank bangladesh in a big way, thanks to them he got his 100th 100 after failing for a year against good teams.. and thanks to them for raising his average by 3 points and giving 5 test hundreds.

Even with a 52 average and 43 hundreds the SRT fan machine would have him rated higher than Sanga and Kallis.

Zeeshan
October 27, 2012, 06:36 PM
If I have to google Scyld Berry, then perhaps I don't have to take his words seriously on the first place... that of course doesn't deny that we suck...and i mean real bad

BrianLara7
October 28, 2012, 12:37 AM
Even with a 52 average and 43 hundreds the SRT fan machine would have him rated higher than Sanga and Kallis.

Yea but then again that's typical of SC specially Indians... for them Kapil dev is as good as all rounder as Imran and Sobers and Sehwag a better batsman than Lara/ Ponting

al Furqaan
October 28, 2012, 02:37 AM
Yea but then again that's typical of SC specially Indians... for them Kapil dev is as good as all rounder as Imran and Sobers and Sehwag a better batsman than Lara/ Ponting

Don't just blame Indians, most of the whole world has been duped by picture perfect strokes into thinking SRT is the best thing in cricket since the abdo guard!

At any rate, Bangladesh plays a small enough number of matches to counter any stat inflation. We're already in Test cricket's third tier, how much further should we go?

RazabQ
October 28, 2012, 03:25 AM
Haters gonna hate ... especially one who claimed Pakistan's touring of England was not a true away tour because there was, and I kid you not, "better curry in Manchester than in Lahore". So after that anything this conservative rag's jingoistic doofus has to say, I don't bother with.

Having said that, we do suck in Test cricket and our paucity of fixtures doesn't help. Of course the ineptitude of our board is the main killer here. A good board would a) have fixed domestic cricket years ago, b) gone on a commercial/diplomatic offensive to get more Tests.

Sigh ...

kawsar
October 28, 2012, 06:21 AM
We need to visit Pakistan to restore cricket and then there will be Pakistan vs Bangladesh test cricket for a long time...this will only improve our test cricket and confident.

Pakistan is safe to visit now I visited and its normal out there

reyme
October 28, 2012, 06:29 AM
Well things are getting better. We need high performance pace and spin bowling academy to build, create and train players to become world class, we need to develop players to suit out pitches so that we can at least draw test in our backyard. If we can't even do that then these kinds of comments are bound to come towards our way.

BrianLara7
October 28, 2012, 11:08 AM
We need to visit Pakistan to restore cricket and then there will be Pakistan vs Bangladesh test cricket for a long time...this will only improve our test cricket and confident.

Pakistan is safe to visit now I visited and its normal out there

I will be glad if BD visits Pakistan as long as atleast couple of other test teams also agree to do so.. we are not going to be the lambs for slaughter.

MyRoom
November 19, 2012, 12:19 PM
Who cares what he thinks? it won't degrade our Cricket at all considering that the ICC President has visited Bangladesh a few days back and was impressed with the facilities and plans Bangladesh holds for the future especially the World T20 Championship. Besides, his article is forgotten now he's just worried about the rise of Bangladesh Cricket. As long as Cricket is popular in Bangladesh and around the world then we're simply unstoppable.

prasad
November 19, 2012, 12:41 PM
We need to visit Pakistan to restore cricket and then there will be Pakistan vs Bangladesh test cricket for a long time...this will only improve our test cricket and confident.

Pakistan is safe to visit now I visited and its normal out there

Just the semblance of hope of chest thumping is a reason good enough to put lives of young cricketers at risk..Well said sir..