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Tiger Manc
October 30, 2012, 11:55 AM
England thumped India 4-0 last year so the Indians will be out for revenge. England are on their quest to regain the No 1 spot. Whilst India will be hoping to leapfrog Pakistan in the rankings. Looking forward to seeing how England's batsman fair against India's spinners on turning tracks.

India A 369/9 on day one v England XI.

Andybike
October 31, 2012, 04:28 AM
I think India will win this series 1-0 or 2-0 but 4-0 is not possible cause England is very strong team and they have some batsman which play better against spin bowlers. But It will be great series.

Tiger Manc
October 31, 2012, 08:41 AM
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOtr"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Thu Nov 8 - Sun Nov 11
04:00 GMT | 09:30 local
04:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">Haryana v England XI
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Thu Nov 15 - Mon Nov 19
04:00 GMT | 09:30 local
04:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">1st Test - India v England
Sardar Patel Stadium, Motera, Ahmedabad </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Fri Nov 23 - Tue Nov 27
04:00 GMT | 09:30 local
04:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">2nd Test - India v England
Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Wed Dec 5 - Sun Dec 9
03:30 GMT | 09:00 local
03:30 GMT </td> <td width="50%">3rd Test - India v England
Eden Gardens, Kolkata </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Thu Dec 13 - Mon Dec 17
04:00 GMT | 09:30 local
04:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">4th Test - India v England
Vidarbha Cricket Association Stadium, Jamtha, Nagpur </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Thu Dec 20
14:30 GMT | 20:00 local
14:30 GMT </td> <td width="50%">1st T20I - India v England
Subrata Roy Sahara Stadium, Pune </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Sat Dec 22
14:30 GMT | 20:00 local
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOtr"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Sun Jan 6
09:00 GMT | 14:30 local
09:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">TBC v England XI
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOtr"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Tue Jan 8
03:30 GMT | 09:00 local
03:30 GMT </td> <td width="50%">TBC v England XI
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Fri Jan 11
09:00 GMT | 14:30 local
09:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">1st ODI - India v England
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Tue Jan 15
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Nehru Stadium, Kochi </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Sat Jan 19
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09:00 GMT </td> <td width="50%">3rd ODI - India v England
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Wed Jan 23
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06:30 GMT </td> <td width="50%">4th ODI - India v England
Punjab Cricket Association Stadium, Mohali, Chandigarh </td> <td width="20%"> <center>N/A</center></td> <td align="right" width="5%">
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</td></tr> <tr class="FixOdi"> <td valign="top" width="25%">Sun Jan 27
03:30 GMT | 09:00 local
03:30 GMT </td> <td width="50%">5th ODI - India v England
Himachal Pradesh Cricket Association Stadium, Dharamsala </td></tr></tbody></table>

al Furqaan
October 31, 2012, 06:05 PM
England are horrible when they go to India. It will be interesting if the BCCI's tactics of trying to extort Sky and BBC of money and then trying to get under England's skin with the practice matches will light a fire under England or not.

My predictions.

India will win 2-0..at best England can hope to make it 1-2. Traditionally flat Indian pattas will result in at least 1 or 2 high scoring draws. Man of the Series will be Ashwin and he will likely take 30-40 wickets.

Sehwag will be all over the place...he will hit one 150 ball double, and then play some horrendous shots to get dismissed under 20 a couple of times. Will mark the beginning of the end of his career, at the end of which he will end up averaging less than 50.

Sachin will continue to very slowly fade into oblivion. He will score yet another hundred...but this time it will be his entire 8-innings aggregate. He will be clean bowled 23 times over the course of the series, with 15 of them being reversed after the umpire sees Graeme Swan over-step on 10 of those 15. This series will pave the way for the Great Choke Artist to finally retire in 2036 citing the "need to hand over the responsibility to the next generation" despite the fact that his skills are "just as sharp as they were in 2020 or 1995".

Pujara will take over the #3 spot and do well enough to stay.

Kohli will destroy England by becoming the first man to score 1000 runs in a Test series. He will be the first man to score a triple, a double, and a single ton in the same series.

Yuvraj will get the spot over Raina for the first two tests but his batting failures will pave the way for Raina to come in, only to be bounced out by Broad and Finn for 4 consecutive golden ducks. Yuvraj's bowling will be unplayable by KP as KP will get out to him 4 times (one bowled, one lbw, one c & b, and one caught behind) from just 6 deliveries faced. After Yuvy gets benched, KP will compile 4 more dismissals against Ojha for next to nothing.

Ashwin and Ojha will share 79 wickets between them in the series. Shwinny will take his wickets at a shade over 15 a piece and Ojha at 20 a piece.

Zaheer will bowl 1 over in the open session of the series and break down with a strained mullet. He will miss 6 months of action while he gets his head shaved and re-grows his bollywood hair-do.

Ishant will have a breakout series. He will storm a comeback with a series haul of 200-40-900-1. All cricinfo pundits will clamor that finally Ishant has been able to break the cycle of bad luck after Finn top edges an attempted hook that Dhoni finally holds onto to wrap up the 4th and final Test.

Umesh will emerge as the fastest bowler in history. He will send down over after over of seriously evil pace. His slowest delivery will be a gentle off-cutter clocked at 148 and several deliveries will see the radar gun display "did he even bowl? i couldn't see the ball."

KP will get kicked out of England's team for good after his 8 dismissals to SLAs in the space of 20 deliveries. Upon reaching Gatwick, Broad will say "I'm not drinking with that loser again...maybe Raqibul Hasan can get UK citizenship and take his sorry place in the side."

Swann will struggle. He will find out how Indian batsman handle top class spinners. His series haul of 10 wickets will cost 1500 runs after which he will complain, "Indian pitches have a bit of turn, I saw Ashwin and Ojha get some, and I got even more, but their batters somehow always get the ball on the middle of the bat somehow. I think KP should buy some lessons from Umesh on how not to get out to a spinner even if you aren't scoring runs."

Broad, Anderson, Bresnan, and Finn will end up topping England's batting (and wickets) charts. India will reduce England's top order to an average score of 20-7 in the 8 innings, but will struggle to clean up the tail. Led by Broad's first ever double century, England will still manage to score an average of 300 runs for the last 3 wickets.

After the series, England will get thrashed 5-0 in the ODI series and fierce internet debates will pop up as to whether England's thrashing is worse than India's 0-4 mauling from the year before.

Dilscoop
November 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
One of those series when you want both teams to suffer. I like KP and Kohli, so I'll just watch out for them.

Oh and, how many tour matches do these ponies have to play??!

Oh and, and, BCCI and it's new assgiri with the media. Honestly, WTF?

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 06:39 PM
England will win the test series.

al Furqaan
November 15, 2012, 06:20 PM
Looks like Anderson and Broad are bowling like SRK and Rubel. Mitigates a little of the criticism we throw at your pacers, huh? And we haven't seen Umesh 5-runs-an-over Yadav yet either.

Maysun
November 16, 2012, 12:37 AM
Checked out the H/L's today morning and the wickets Swann took were so amazing. :-| our boys can look at those clips and get some motivation. What a bowler, deceived Sehwag, Sachin, Kohli and Gambhir!!

And when these guys score a ton, why does it look so easy? Maybe better fitness.

Maysun
November 16, 2012, 02:33 AM
Swann takes a 5-fer

Great line and length. Most of his balls are around the off stump. Hardly anything on the leg. And he has been rewarded with his persistence. Our spinners could learn a thing or two..

Tiger Manc
November 16, 2012, 03:48 AM
Yeah definitely it's a fitness issue. remember reading in Michael Holding's biography and he said that one of the reasons for Windies' upsurge in performance was because they had a good fitness coach who improved their fitness a lot.

Nadim
November 16, 2012, 03:51 AM
Such a flat track:-P
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Gowza
November 16, 2012, 04:07 AM
200 for pujara

Tiger Manc
November 16, 2012, 04:17 AM
Great innings for Pujara. He's got great stats, he averages over 50 in both first class and list a. Looks like he's got a good future.

Maysun
November 16, 2012, 04:23 AM
What a start to Pujara's international career.. 200!

They have got Kohli and Pujara. Damn. :-|

Night_wolf
November 16, 2012, 09:58 AM
What a start to Pujara's international career.. 200!

They have got Kohli and Pujara. Damn. :-|

long way left to put pujara and kholi is the same class

still well played pujara

Ajfar
November 16, 2012, 10:58 AM
Pujara lives up to the expectation. They have been talking this kid up for a while now. Looks like he might be the real deal.

Dilscoop
November 16, 2012, 11:47 AM
SRK > Anderson. That fool is a horrible night watchman.

Tiger444
November 16, 2012, 12:56 PM
long way left to put pujara and kholi is the same class

still well played pujara

In ODI's I agree but Tests? Pujara has the same amount of centuries compared to Kohli in Tests while playing less than half the Tests. Kohli is a great ODI batsman but has much to prove as a Test batsman.

Naimul_Hd
November 16, 2012, 12:57 PM
Only a stupid like Trott can claim a dropped catch in front of 20 odd cameras !!

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kalpurush
November 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
^^^ What was he thinking?!!!

Now Rashid Latif might be laughing loud!

Zeeshan
November 16, 2012, 02:49 PM
England er emon korun obostha keno? (3 doubles in less than 2 weeks: Pujara, Chanderpaul, Clarke)

al Furqaan
November 16, 2012, 07:41 PM
Will england be forced to follow on?

Nadim
November 16, 2012, 11:59 PM
Ojha to Bell, OUT, and out goes Ian Bell. Did he spend the last 50 minutes thinking he is going to dance down the wicket first ball and go over mid-off? Sure felt like that. First ball, turning wicket, he wants to beat the sinners off their rhythm. Doesn't quite get to the pitch of it, the ball doesn't bounce as high as he expects, and it goes off the bottom part for easy catch to mid-off. Imploding, are England




haha bell was thing about t20 cricket?

England: 69-5..innings defeat looming

NoName
November 17, 2012, 12:47 AM
Wow, please invite England over and go play with 5 spinners.

BANFAN
November 17, 2012, 01:08 AM
110/7 Eng...I couldn't believe my eyes. It's not only spin, they are struggling big time with Umesh Yadav too...:)

Gowza
November 17, 2012, 06:39 AM
surprised to see england collapse like that. ashwin and ojha look to be developing into very good spinners.

Tiger Manc
November 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
That was pretty embarrassing from Trott. Quite disgraceful that he actually thought he'd get away with it.

Zeeshan
November 17, 2012, 03:42 PM
ki scyld berrry da? Does England deserve test status??

Dilscoop
November 17, 2012, 04:45 PM
That was pretty embarrassing from Trott. Quite disgraceful that he actually thought he'd get away with it.
What happened? What he do?

al Furqaan
November 18, 2012, 01:38 AM
KP out to Ojha again. This guy just can't play left arm spin. At all.

Ajfar
November 18, 2012, 09:49 AM
Cook to the rescue! This guy is just unbelieveable. Always steps in during Clutch situation.

al Furqaan
November 18, 2012, 06:48 PM
There's still a bit of English batting to come with Broad and Bresnan, even Swan has FC hundreds to his name. If England can grind out for another session and a half, they might come away with a draw.

Dilscoop
November 18, 2012, 11:11 PM
15/5. Get it to 150/5 and at least, at very least 220/10, we could have a game. And if they can get Sehwag to play like Tamim ...

Ajfar
November 18, 2012, 11:32 PM
England has to bat all the way through the 2nd session, otherwise India will take this one pretty easily.

MohammedC
November 18, 2012, 11:38 PM
Gone. Matt Prior goes for 91

356/6

Dilscoop
November 18, 2012, 11:39 PM
Gotta feel for Prior.

Damnit though! Cook is all alone now...

Dilscoop
November 18, 2012, 11:59 PM
Game over.

Dilscoop
November 19, 2012, 12:34 AM
Instead of trying to overtake the mammoth Ind total they should've tried to avoid the follow-on first, or at least score 250 odd runs. They were just blown away.

al Furqaan
November 19, 2012, 12:44 AM
72/8....need at least 130 more

Gowza
November 19, 2012, 06:22 AM
so now pujara averages in the 70s.

Dilscoop
November 19, 2012, 06:52 AM
It will go down next time he tours ;), spe thanks to BCCI for keeping him at home for next 2 seasons or h/e many. It's only going to harm him. Remember that kid Suresh Raina? Lolzies

Dilscoop
November 19, 2012, 06:55 AM
FPM when Skysports commies started acting all surprised when Ian Bell's stats in Ind popped up. Avg 18.

Gowza
November 19, 2012, 07:09 AM
It will go down next time he tours ;), spe thanks to BCCI for keeping him at home for next 2 seasons or h/e many. It's only going to harm him. Remember that kid Suresh Raina? Lolzies

raina :facepalm:

Maysun
November 19, 2012, 07:16 AM
Raina better than 95% of our batsmen.

Tiger Manc
November 19, 2012, 10:09 AM
What happened? What he do?

See post #19.

Zeeshan
November 19, 2012, 04:35 PM
Last night i cried seeing Cook's picture perfect shots. I cried.

Dilscoop
November 19, 2012, 05:02 PM
Last night i cried seeing Cook's picture perfect shots. I cried.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7z2BlcCAAAsvS7.jpg:large

NoName
November 19, 2012, 05:11 PM
Hope BCCI and other Indian agencies/broadcasters get the same treatment abroad when they tour, then they can scream 'racism'.

Nice innings by Cook, my favourite English batsmen after Strauss retired. Most people thought KP would be the one to be feared out of the English lot, but it seems you just got to throw Ojha at him and he is a walking wicket.

Tiger444
November 19, 2012, 06:42 PM
Raina better than 95% of our batsmen.

So when's he suiting up for BD?

Maysun
November 20, 2012, 01:42 AM
So when's he suiting up for BD?

Sadly I can't think of anything that can/may lure him.. :(

Jadukor
November 20, 2012, 04:40 AM
Last night i cried seeing Cook's picture perfect shots. I cried.

get your tissue boxes ready because Nazza! will be playing in the next test

on-topic
Very well played by India! Used their own conditions to great advantage in the last test and I expect the surfaces to be similar in the next test as well. I guess England will be praying to win the Toss because batting first will be a huge advantage

Tiger444
November 20, 2012, 07:41 PM
Sadly I can't think of anything that can/may lure him.. :(

He'd definitely make our national team. Can't really compare our guys with the Indians. Their a top 4 Test team while we don't even have any ranking points.

By Indian standards though, Raina sucks in Tests. He's a very good T20I/ODIS player though and looks like it'll stay that way in his career for India

Maysun
November 23, 2012, 02:15 AM
Pujara scores yet another 50 while the rest seem to be struggling.

Monty gets 3 so far!

Jadukor
November 23, 2012, 02:30 AM
Indians getting bowled to spin! We need this pitch curator in Bangladesh

Maysun
November 23, 2012, 04:40 AM
Pujara in his 90's

Maysun
November 23, 2012, 04:57 AM
Ashwin has turned out to be a good find for India in the longer formats. So useful with the bat.

Sohel
November 23, 2012, 06:51 AM
If Pujara can carry this incredible form and class outside India the way Kohli has, India will continue to have the formidable batting side it has had with Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly even after Sachin's retires.

Roni_uk
November 24, 2012, 12:20 AM
England is using an Indian to uproot the indians....clever tactics :D

BANFAN
November 24, 2012, 12:37 AM
OMG India has recovered big time.... 326/9 is a very good score in this pitch....

BANFAN
November 24, 2012, 12:40 AM
Indians getting bowled to spin! We need this pitch curator in Bangladesh

Time to train our own creator....these foreigners won't do it as you want....

BANFAN
November 24, 2012, 12:41 AM
Poor decision in last wicket....327/10 Ind

Dilscoop
November 24, 2012, 12:46 AM
Is it just me or some of Aleem Dar's horror calls come against India? :D #StartAWar. Being the number one umpire, he can get away with it, and it's his way of giving it back to the Indians ;)

Tiger Manc
November 25, 2012, 01:25 AM
Cook gone for 122. Class innings under pressure.

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 04:37 AM
Panesar gets Sehfag for just 9...now in form man, Pujara gone for 1 by Swann...both were close in catches. Splendid bowling and a splendidly sporting pitch!

Chokedulkar walks in...BCCI should tour us and he can get to 20,000 career runs easy. Big big occaision for the little Choker.

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 04:46 AM
LC survives a stumping chance...close as balls!

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 05:05 AM
LC out plumb to Panesar's arm ball...did he break double digits?

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 05:08 AM
Can India avoid the innings defeat?

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 05:20 AM
:) that' surely they will...but Ind in trouble here. SRT is becoming Monty's bunny here...:)

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 05:40 AM
Kohli and Yuvy choke as well! India 5 down and still trailing. Can they get a lead of 125 and defend it?

Nadim
November 25, 2012, 05:40 AM
What an innings by KP. shows why he is still the best batsman for England. we saw what England has done without him.


India losing this for sure. Penesar is the new hero for England...

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 05:55 AM
Ashwin will be tough to dislodge, he's a class all rounder with terrific numbers.

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 06:09 AM
^ or maybe not...India lose 7 in a session on a rank turner they asked for.

So England beats India 4-0 on greentops (according to Kohli) so if India wins 3-1 on rank turners does that mean England is > India???

Rabz
November 25, 2012, 06:09 AM
India's almost getting bundled out in their own ground within 3 days.
So much for local flavour in the pitch !!
Getting beaten at their own game.
Good on ya Monty.

You are now my favourite SLA after Shakib, Sunny, Razzak, Enamul, Arafat, Saqlain and Vettori.

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 06:15 AM
To be fair, India have only been playing Tests for 80 years...England have been playing for hundreds. India had a huge gap of 2 months between series. They also don't get to play much against sides like Bangladesh to boost their confidence (and averages). There players don't play much FC in Ranji and they've been focusing on IPL and CLT20 too much. They also don't make wickets that suit their strengths. Good thing they don't have any dead weights like we do!

MohammedC
November 25, 2012, 06:21 AM
India is an example why Bangladesh should come out of spin culture. This is what happens when your strength become your weakness

Night_wolf
November 25, 2012, 06:29 AM
india in big trouble..they are clearly missing dravid and laxman in the second innings

Night_wolf
November 25, 2012, 06:32 AM
really embarrassing in india's point of view as they asked for this pitch

i hope for their sake they manage to add 100 more runs with the 3 wickets they have left..if india has a target of 100+ to defend this may become a thriller..pitch is doing vangra ATM

Tiger Manc
November 25, 2012, 06:52 AM
Not many people saw this one coming. Great knock from Pietersen. India's batsmen can't play seam, can't play spin; what can they play?

cricheart
November 25, 2012, 09:04 AM
lol Monty KP giving a mouthwash treatment here against Indians, love to see this happening in front of Mumbai spectators.

MyRoom
November 25, 2012, 10:56 AM
hahaha...India have always been a pathetic team even after having Test status for over 80 years. These Indian fans always talk about how bad our Cricket is when they don't even realise that it took them 20 years to beat only a third sting England side lol

MyRoom
November 25, 2012, 10:59 AM
I don't understand why Sachin is still playing I mean he had 2 best periods for him to perfectly retire one was after winning the World Cup held in India and 2 when he achieved his big ton but still wants to continue at such an old age wonder why? hmm 200th test match more records this guy is cynical lost many peoples respect.

BrianLara7
November 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
lol at tendulkar, after failing for almost 2 years to get 100 against good teams, he finally got it against our crap bowlers and still cost his team the match. He needs to retire with dignity, even after getting thrashed 8-0 now they are going to lose at home.

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 04:51 PM
The people in subcontinent doesn't achieve greatness due to greed...what can you say, it's an uncertain society after all... He will probably leave with humiliation at the end. But that won't affect him much, but the financial gains in return is huge.....

BrianLara7
November 25, 2012, 05:01 PM
The people in subcontinent doesn't achieve greatness due to greed...what can you say, it's an uncertain society after all... He will probably leave with humiliation at the end. But that won't affect him much, but the financial gains in return is huge.....

You hit the nail on the head, some Indian journalists pointed out how much Money influences Indian cricket selection specially likes of Dhoni and tendulkar and no matter how much humiliation they face they will still not be dropped because of advertisements and sponsor pressure.

Dilscoop
November 25, 2012, 06:08 PM
Well played England. I knew they were very professional enough to bounce back and fight hard. They weren't just gonna sit there and take it like the Indians did. Still one more key wicket to go. Hopefully they keep the run in check and chase down a low target.


Karma is a MoFo BCCE, Karma is a real Mofo.

Ajfar
November 25, 2012, 06:09 PM
Sachin in seriously bringing this team down. Time to let go man. Not everything's meant to be forever, you have to realize when your time is up and make the way for the younger generation.

India can still make a game out of this if Bhajji and Gambhir stick around for a while. Even though this English batting line up is quite strong, in test cricket anything can happen. India will have to somehow drag to 150+ lead, and remove Cook, KP early and hope for the best.

Antora
November 25, 2012, 06:27 PM
Seeing a team like India with so much arrogance, in this position, makes me very happy .



I miss the old Indian team

NoName
November 25, 2012, 07:12 PM
Haha ok England > India in outside their continent, atleast England can manage to win a match in India whereas India couldn't in England.

BrianLara7
November 25, 2012, 07:24 PM
lol at Indians crying on cricinfo/ twitter about how sachin has achieved everything while belittling Ponting.. well guess what whiners. Sachin/India has never won a series in Australia or South Africa and only won one world cup and guess what? that was in India. Punter won 3 world cups, 2 as captain and won test series everywhere including India and South Africa. We know who is really playing for records.

al Furqaan
November 25, 2012, 10:40 PM
lol at tendulkar, after failing for almost 2 years to get 100 against good teams, he finally got it against our crap bowlers and still cost his team the match. He needs to retire with dignity, even after getting thrashed 8-0 now they are going to lose at home.

Its all about the size of PR machine. Just like Israel gets immunity in the West and is painted as a perfect cherub because that is what is repeated, drilled into hearts and minds via the airwaves and print media, then repeated ad realitum, the idea that SRT is some otherworldly champion has been done similarly. It would be one thing if just Indians bought into the hype, but the whole world is under the impression that SRT is some godly batting hero when he's just simply very good. He may have the best technique, the widest range of strokes, the aestheticism of the Taj Mahal, and superhuman durability, but that doesn't mean he's the best in qualitative terms.

He dominated Australia, the strongest side through most of his career, we're told. But he rarely faced McGrath + Warne in the same attack. The one time he did and ripped the OZ, its never mentioned that Laxman averaged far more than him in the very same series.

He hit a massive 160+ against Steyn, Morkel and company...but its never mentioned that he had 2 let offs before reaching fifty, and three close calls overall. Kallis, who hit almost as big a ton the innings before had zero chances.

He's been to two world cup finals, and and choked to score 20 runs combined in both. In the semis against PAK he top scored, but only after the butterfingered Paksters dropped him 5 times.

He's hardly hit many seriously match-winning knocks, scoring most of his runs in draws or dead-rubber situations. His legendary 100th hundred came in a loss...to Bangladesh. He has one of the lowest fourth innings averages amongst recognized decent batsman; Kallis averages nearly double what he does. In 23 seperate calendar years, he's topped the scoring charts only once.

Yes he's great, and it will be sad when he sets his bat down and calls time...but he's been hyped like no other.

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
India 8 down...first wicket of the day goes to swan....excellent delivery....

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 11:20 PM
Number 9 goes on 131....

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 11:21 PM
Monty gets his 6th...:)

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
GG gets a bad decision and Ind innings ends with a lead of 57... Impossible to defend...!

Hope Ind understands the need for DRS

Dilscoop
November 25, 2012, 11:53 PM
I hope to see more of this decisions going against India. Karama is a mofoing vitch BCCI. Karma is a mofoing vitch

BANFAN
November 25, 2012, 11:59 PM
Suddenly the pitch doesn't look as venomous when Eng is batting...need 44 more to win...:)

NoName
November 26, 2012, 12:09 AM
LOL atleast we took our match to the 5th day.

BANFAN
November 26, 2012, 12:11 AM
Ind losing by 10 wickets...?? 19 more needed for Eng..:)

BANFAN
November 26, 2012, 12:26 AM
Yes Eng wins by 10 wicket....or Ind beaten by 10 wkts...:)

BANFAN
November 26, 2012, 12:27 AM
Arunlal: Eng has shown that a Strong Team (Ind) can be beaten in their conditions.....:)

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:30 AM
Indians deservedly lose by 10 wickets. Thank you. And good night.

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:31 AM
I like how the Indian commies were saying pitch had changed and calmed down when the English were scoring runs. lol 19 wickets for England spinners. 10 from the 2nd inning.

Broad didn't even get a ball HAHA!

zsayeed
November 26, 2012, 12:36 AM
I like this from CI:
As for India, they might finally start agreeing that something is wrong with the side. It was not the imaginary green tops in Australia and England. The side's quality has eroded from the time they were No. 1

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:37 AM
Funny how it hasn't been the top news CI since they got kicked in the nuts yesterday. It had been the top news on CI page 2 days before the game start. LOL. Indianinfo.com

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:41 AM
Must be killing Shastri to say those things right now..

zsayeed
November 26, 2012, 12:46 AM
stay away from that twitter KP!

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:47 AM
KP won the mom. That's a shame. Monty took the game away from the Indians. ESP how "good" these guys are against spin. KP wins because he is just more popular.

NoName
November 26, 2012, 12:49 AM
Monty should have been MoM, but most of the times its always the batter who gets it.

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:50 AM
Once again, these guys are bunch of professional athletes. They weren't gonna sit out for next couple of weeks and take it all like bunch of Indians.

I hope they come back harder in the 3rd test and give it to these big headed, big mouthed, overrated, over payed, overpowering maggots.

Dilscoop
November 26, 2012, 12:53 AM
Big ups to AC too. Leading the team from the front. And his tactics were very unEnglish like. I mean you dont expect these no Asian teams to open with a spinner. But AC realized the condition and was flexible. That's what I like about this guy.

Sovik
November 26, 2012, 12:56 AM
First there was this article

Spin: Whose 'Kryptonite' is it anyway? (http://cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/53434/spin-whose-kryptonite-is-it-anyway)

Then Dravid said
Nothing wrong with turning tracks (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/592193.html)

And then this happened

England spinners humiliate India (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/engine/current/match/565807.html)

Tiger Manc
November 26, 2012, 04:44 AM
Great performance from England. India have well and truly had their pants pulled down.

Night_wolf
November 26, 2012, 05:40 AM
BD and Ind both lost by 10 wickets!..BD lost in 5 days, Ind in 4!!!....BD>IND!!!!


*sarcasm indian fans..dont jump on me :)

MyRoom
November 26, 2012, 09:13 AM
lol India were dreaming of a 4-0 revenge so fans that always remind them of 8-0 thrashing previously will shutup about it. Almost a 100 years of International Cricket and still struggling abroad and at times at home.

MyRoom
November 26, 2012, 09:16 AM
Its amazing how Indian fans are comparing a player like Poojara to Dravid. I pretty much doubt he will be able to bat well away as he does at home. Sachin needs to go instead of going after more personal glory.

Tiger444
November 26, 2012, 12:25 PM
And to think Dhoni was crying for a spinner's paradise for this match. :facepalm: Did India actually think England was just going to bend down and continue to take a butt whooping the way India did in England and Australia? Sure feels like Indian fans thought this way and so did the players. England might be weak away from home but they are a very professional side and it was obvious they would come back much harder and that's exactly what happened. India thought Ashwin, Ojha, and Harbhajan would outplay Panesar and Swann. India's spinners are not at the level of Pakistan and we saw that this match.

MyRoom
November 26, 2012, 02:19 PM
And to think Dhoni was crying for a spinner's paradise for this match. :facepalm: Did India actually think England was just going to bend down and continue to take a butt whooping the way India did in England and Australia? Sure feels like Indian fans thought this way and so did the players. England might be weak away from home but they are a very professional side and it was obvious they would come back much harder and that's exactly what happened. India thought Ashwin, Ojha, and Harbhajan would outplay Panesar and Swann. India's spinners are not at the level of Pakistan and we saw that this match.

If only we could prepare such pitches so it gives us a great chance of winning.

NoName
November 26, 2012, 03:09 PM
Well it makes it more embarrassing that they lost to a team that will soil their pants when they see the ball turn...in their own backyard:lol:

al Furqaan
November 26, 2012, 07:53 PM
Well BCCI didn't or couldn't heed the warning calls of 0-8. Just like Australia were pretty mediocre until recently after the retirements of McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Langer, Gillespie and Gilchrist...India are in a rebuilding phase. Sehfag is past his prime. Even on flat home tracks he will be a shadow of what he once was, overseas he'll be a sitting duck. Can Pujara and Kohli and Rahane hold up like their illustrious predecessors? It remains to be seen. Zaheer is past his prime, Bhajji is the bowling version of Sehfag, Ishant is Shahadat more or less, Yadav will have to be healthy and control his line and length. Ashwin and Ojha are good, but maybe Swann and Panesar showed them they have a long ways to go.

BANFAN
December 1, 2012, 03:20 AM
"Why does Dhoni want a square turner on the first day? Then why are you selling tickets for five days? It's immoral," Mukherjee told CNN-IBN. Mukherjee said he didn't like the way the whole issue was handled. "I have not resigned but asked for a month's leave," he said. "I am not loving this atmosphere and not happy that the Cricket Association of Bengal did not support me."

MORE (http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/594565.html)

Dada got a genuine point there, purely economical.. And it's really hard for most people from WB to do things which aren't cost effective; "If you make a pitch for 3 days, why you sell tickets for 5 days"...:)...... Epic ...:lol:

Dilscoop
December 1, 2012, 04:31 PM
This bitch! lol I can just see his sore *** just dropping everything and crying himself home. (LOL it's hilarious picturing a snobby dude walking away with his quick "gusha" steps)


What BCCI gotta realize is even if there is day 5 doesn't mean people will show up to see it. People want to see all possible results. If I know it's a draw from day 3 and there is no possibility in hell that it won't be, why would I or anyone with brains would want to spend money on that show?

This is a classic case of Bellywood. Quality not quality.

Dilscoop
December 1, 2012, 04:33 PM
oh and may I point out, Indian has hit the panic button. That's right, already.

Ajfar
December 1, 2012, 04:56 PM
They are making it sound as if they lost because of the pitch. They didn't lose the last game because of the pitch. If England somehow manages to win this series, or even draw it. I can't even begin to imagine what that will lead to.

NoName
December 1, 2012, 05:05 PM
Kudos to the curator.

cricheart
December 1, 2012, 05:18 PM
So far Its good going, if India face Pakistan with a test series loss at home, things will be in balance. India has to proove them for being WC champ next, will be great contest against Pak & Pom then.

Tiger444
December 1, 2012, 05:27 PM
They are making it sound as if they lost because of the pitch. They didn't lose the last game because of the pitch. If England somehow manages to win this series, or even draw it. I can't even begin to imagine what that will lead to.

It's pretty clear that they thought they could just run over England with rank turners. Even when they got thrashed in Australia, I remember Gambhir said something along the lines of, "let them come to India and play on raging turners" and Sehwag saying "we beat Australia 2-0 at home"After 8 straight losses they still didn't get it. They were still in denial.The problem is not in the pitches, it's the players that are effing up. India has gone to places such as England and Australia before and performed well. So conditions should not be the excuse. They should take a hard look at themselves and start realizing that they have work to do. Stop making lame excuses and get to work!

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 12:33 AM
Ind 90/2 at lunch..... Monty gets Pujara and Shehwag is runout.....lol:) Confident GG and a shaky SRT batting....:)

Dilscoop
December 5, 2012, 12:47 AM
How can a man who scored 100 100s and **** load of runs look as if he is batting for the first time? Honestly, I don't get it. Even in his prime he looked very nervous early in his innings. Why? Yes every player feels that shakyness early on, but he takes it to the next level. He is a such a chokedulkar no-clutch player.

Gowza
December 5, 2012, 01:04 AM
tendulkar needs to take a page out of ponting's book, give it up while your legacy is still in tact.

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 02:00 AM
GG gone.....Ind 117/3 .... Tendul crawling his innings through...:)

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 02:01 AM
India's most talented batsman KOHLi comes in ....

Dilscoop
December 5, 2012, 02:22 AM
VK is outta touch. It's boring to watch him now.

Gowza
December 5, 2012, 02:38 AM
kohli needs to find some form, imo he still hasn't cemented his spot in the test side, though i expect he'll get a decent run due to his ODI exploits.

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 02:45 AM
Kooli is outttt....for 6 by Anderson .....:)

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 02:47 AM
51.1
Swann to Yuvraj Singh, no run, around the wicket, forward just outside off, is this pad first? Another big lbw shout, not out given, another that England probably would have reviewed
So a lack of DRS pays off for the BCCI! England will feel aggrieved...

No DRS paying off....:)

Gowza
December 5, 2012, 04:11 AM
yuvraj gone for 32, they keep picking him but he hasn't come through for them....

cricheart
December 5, 2012, 04:13 AM
India 215/5. and omg SRT already on 67*!! Unlike tendul-worshpiers I know this is very unwanted thing for meny when tendu leaves the ground with 101st 100. damn.. sbns should be his last.

Gowza
December 5, 2012, 04:39 AM
tendu out, got some runs at least.

cricheart
December 5, 2012, 04:39 AM
OUT!! LOL
Anderson to Tendulkar, OUT, edged and what a catch! What a take down low with one hand and straight after drinks Tendulkar falls

Tiger Manc
December 5, 2012, 05:40 AM
Ashwin out. India in trouble on day 1 on what is supposed to be a good batting track.

Dilscoop
December 5, 2012, 05:41 AM
Jimmy on a dead pitch, awesome figures! I think people can stop doubting about his inability to bowl on Subcon pitches (at least for now)

Yameen
December 5, 2012, 07:05 AM
Thats Sachin's place in the team confirmed for the next two series

BANFAN
December 5, 2012, 08:07 AM
So, Sachin missed out on the century....

cricheart
December 5, 2012, 12:50 PM
Highly famed Indians batters like Shewag, Koly, Pujaraa are gonna be culprit here for series loss. Some unexpected fluke innings like Gambu SRT are just to survive the humiliation.

BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 12:09 AM
Eng has enough time to pile up....lets see if they can....:)

Ind 316 All out..., they were targeting 400+ at the beginning of the innings...:)

BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 03:42 AM
England is really piling on....131/0

BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 04:13 AM
Cook gets his 23rd test century....Congrats...

Eng 156/0... Worth watching Indian fielders....they all look so oshohaye..:)

Nadim
December 6, 2012, 04:16 AM
Cook wat a machine:notworthy:

India losing this.
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BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 04:28 AM
Umpire took almost 25-30 sec to give Compton out LBW....:)

BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 05:31 AM
Very good day for England... They finished the day with 216/1, trailing only by only 100 runs...ya, Ind might lose this one as well....:)

MyRoom
December 6, 2012, 10:05 AM
lol Shame India! they're so overrated in my mind. A country of billion people who love Cricket dearly and can't even win on their favourite pitches says everything about them. This is a country that has played Cricket for almost a 100 years and still when a few teams play Cricket at the highest level, still cannot be a top feared Cricket team on the field. They can't even fill up their ground in this test match a country of a billion.

Navo
December 6, 2012, 03:16 PM
We speak of Amla and Kohli so much - and deservedly too - but when one looks at the Test stats (and age) of Cook, the jaw hits the floor. SEVEN THOUSAND RUNS at the age of 27!! 23 centuries?! Amla is already older than Cook but I don't think even Kohli will surpass that by Cook's age, especially his weaker form in Test cricket compared to ODIs.

NoName
December 6, 2012, 03:57 PM
All these years India's impeccable batting line-up covered up their deficiencies in the field/ball, now since they are losing that too, they look like an almost helpless side. It should be interesting to see how the English will do in their 2nd innings as that is when the ball will start turning.

Cook em alive.

BANFAN
December 6, 2012, 04:02 PM
All these years India's impeccable batting line-up covered up their deficiencies in the field/ball, now since they are losing that too, they look like an almost helpless side. It should be interesting to see how the English will do in their 2nd innings as that is when the ball will start turning.

Cook em alive.

Eng may not need to bat 2nd innings...

Dilscoop
December 6, 2012, 07:12 PM
I hope Eng stack enough runs for the next match in this inn. Cook em!

Bonglababu
December 6, 2012, 08:45 PM
India is sorely missing the service of Kumble who used to be the saviour at home. Current crop of bowlers are not up to the mark and unable to tame quality batsmen. Return of Bell is an added advantage for the visitors. Cook is just invincible and can mastermind a famous series win from here. He and his side has acclimatized in subcontinental condition pretty fast and are looking very strong to win the Ashes as well. I would rate BD bowling ahead of India in these conditions. :)

al Furqaan
December 6, 2012, 11:56 PM
England are batting so slow, they are giving India an excellent chance at drawing a match that England is dominating!

Their only hope will be to bat once put up 600 and bowl India out for an innings win.

NoName
December 7, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sharma dropped Cook:floor::facepalm:
A dolly too!

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 12:34 AM
England are batting so slow, they are giving India an excellent chance at drawing a match that England is dominating!

Their only hope will be to bat once put up 600 and bowl India out for an innings win.

Eng has the batting to push the RR anytime they want to...but this is sensible to go past Ind total and take a lead safely....before pushing the RR

Now only 20 runs behind them..

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 01:41 AM
5 consecutive centuries for cook and also as a captain.....this is phenomenal in test cricket....

And now, heading for a double....Eng takes first innings lead with 9 wkts in hand and 2.5 days still to go in this test match....

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 01:42 AM
They have started accelerating already.... They might have a lead of around 200 by today...

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 02:02 AM
Trott out on 87..... Eden exploded into celebration....now comes KP....could be worse for Ind....:)

al Furqaan
December 7, 2012, 02:17 AM
LOL at cricindo...down 23 with 8 wickets still to take CI is saying India "senses getting back into the game".

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 02:33 AM
KP has already forced changing the field....

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 02:35 AM
Very unlucky runout of Cook....if this is given....he even didn't try to take a run, but he was out of crease...just the bat was outside....

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 02:36 AM
What a bad way to end a great innings...

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 02:42 AM
LOL at cricindo...down 23 with 8 wickets still to take CI is saying India "senses getting back into the game".

Even with three down, Ind is far away from coming back in the game....:)

Maysun
December 7, 2012, 02:42 AM
LMAO at Cook's dismissal. The bloke deserved better though.

Zeeshan
December 7, 2012, 02:44 AM
LMFAO at Cook's dismissal. The bloke deserved better though.

LMFAO at your favorite player. Need to see the man's bizarre dismissal though. And I can only imagine the field day journalists and writers will have on his name's wordplay.

Here's one: Seasoned campaigner sizzles out. (okay that sounded more like Arthur)

Nadim
December 7, 2012, 03:10 AM
India is hopeless :lol:

Sovik
December 7, 2012, 03:25 AM
It was really unfortunate the way Cook got out.

BANFAN
December 7, 2012, 05:34 AM
Lead almost to 200

Yasin.
December 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
"We have seen in the last three Tests matches and even in England, there was a lot of grass and that helped their seamers. Once these people come to India we should not be hesitant in making turners, and that's where we would get to know whether they are mentally strong, and [what happens to] the kind of chit chat do they do when we go overseas and they talk about our techniques."
- Gautam Gambhir, January 22, 2012, Perth

Two days after India had lost by an innings inside three days at the WACA ground.

"We also won 2-0 in India."
- Virender Sehwag, January 28, 2012, Adelaide

Third day of the Adelaide Test, when a second whitewash in two away series was imminent.

"Why not [turning pitches]? We were given flattest of tracks during practice matches in England and Australia, and then suddenly presented with a green-top during the Tests. During practice matches, we would face those 120kmph bowlers …If they wanted to be fair to us, they could have provided us with same kind of tracks for practice matches, like what were used in Tests. Especially, when they knew that visiting teams get very less time to practice. Now they would be playing on turning tracks and definitely would know where they stand."
- Virat Kohli, October 27, 2012

Justifying the tactic of not letting England face any spin in the tour games before the start of the Test series, in the process imagining "green tops" in Australia and England

"We also need to consider that immediately after that series when England came to India, we beat them 5-0, which cannot be forgotten."
- Sachin Tendulkar, November 8, 2012

Before the start of this Test series, drawing comfort from an ODI series win last year

"One has to recognise the advantage of home conditions, and this applies across the board. So I don't think we should run down our players by saying we did not do well abroad. Other teams don't do well when they come to India. In England, except Rahul, the batting did not click. But in both England and Australia, we had super-fast pitches."
- N Srinivasan, December 4, 2012

Asking people to not say "we did not do well abroad"

"So what if we have lost a home Test? Not as if we have never won at home… It's not that we have lost the series."
- Gautam Gambhir, November 29, 2012

After the defeat in Mumbai when everything - pitch, toss, first-innings runs - was in their favour

"If you look at the records at this ground, India have played really well. The way the wicket is playing, I am confident our guys will do really well."
- Pragyan Ojha, today, Eden Gardens

After India have conceded a 193-run lead by end of day three with four wickets still in England's hand

Also today, Joe Dawes, India's bowling coach, told - well, who else - the BCCI in an interview that Zaheer Khan is one of the best six bowlers in the world, that Indian bowling is headed in the right direction, that he has begun the process of achieving the aim of developing a group of seven to eight fast bowlers who can be called upon any time. You can accuse the BCCI of many things, but it doesn't lack humour, as is evident through the timing of this piece.

One of these days, India will admit they have become an ordinary side. That currently they are arguably the worst bowling unit in the world, bar Bangladesh. That they are the worst fielding side in the world without any argument, which they kept on proving on the third day as Ishant Sharma dropped his third simple return catch in the fourth match he is playing this year. That the whitewashes in England and Australia didn't happen on doctored green tops. That a proud home record alone doesn't ensure future Test wins. That the ideal response to overseas batting failures is to work on techniques, and not to seek comfort in statistics at home. That no side won an away series with that kind of attitude.

When India admit that, they will start improving as a Test side. Until then, they can hope for a miracle to the tune of Kolkata 2000-01.

Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/596086.html

Ouch! This article....didn't expect something like this from cricindo to be honest but wow... Yes theres the dig about Bangladesh but well thats true. India getting absolutely owned at home too. Great to see how far England have come and under Cook they should be looking to compete with SA for being the top Test team.

Dilscoop
December 7, 2012, 04:20 PM
^ I'd hardly call that a "dig at Bangladesh," don't be so self observed! Not everyone is looking to take a dig at Bangladesh. No one cares about Bangladesh

Tiger444
December 7, 2012, 05:10 PM
Great article there. Just look at the amount of excuses these Indian players have piled up on their losses. That's where the real problem lies. The players are just not admitting that something is wrong with their team. You think England and Australia line up excuses like this? If they lose, they go back and learn from their mistakes. It's shameful that these Indian players are making such lame excuses even after getting humiliated. Just keep your mouths shut and consider yourselves lucky that you get to play the amount of Test matches that you guys do. Even South Africa doesn't have the luxury of playing 4 Test match series.

Sorry about the rant but I just can't stand that type of attitude.

Tiger Manc
December 7, 2012, 06:33 PM
Did you guys notice when Rod Tucker gave Trott out he shook his head first!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G04oQSWqdA

Ravi Shastri was shocked. See from 1.00 onwards.

Dilscoop
December 7, 2012, 10:06 PM
Even though I can't stand them I should probably watch the BCCI commentary streams instead of the skysports one. It must be very entertaining now.

Dilscoop
December 7, 2012, 10:53 PM
2 early wickets. I hope they can scramble through to at least 250 lead.

Dilscoop
December 7, 2012, 10:57 PM
So much for that. Still not a bad lead. Could've been better ESP after the way the top order had set it up.

Pitch is turning and bouncing. Let the Monty show begin!

Dilscoop
December 7, 2012, 11:05 PM
"England bowled out for 523" - yup. That's the more appropriate title.

Tiger444
December 7, 2012, 11:10 PM
India have their work cut out this morning

Dilscoop
December 8, 2012, 12:50 AM
Shitty sessions. Tidy up England.

Dilscoop
December 8, 2012, 01:13 AM
Lol at the silence in the Indian comm box when Shefug got bowled. It was longer than Fox's when Obama won.

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 02:02 AM
India is being shattered by Swan....:)

Already 4 wickets down after lunch...Shehwag, Pujara, Gambhir, Tendul all bundled up for 100+ runs...trailing still by another 100+... Can India avoid an innings defeat??...:)

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 02:03 AM
Lol at the silence in the Indian comm box when Shefug got bowled. It was longer than Fox's when Obama won.

Saw that silence twice more for...GG and SRT.....:lol:

al Furqaan
December 8, 2012, 02:12 AM
Wow...bhabtey na bhabtey Chokedulkar OUT hoi gelo!

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 02:34 AM
Dhoni, Yuvraj both out now....Ind falling like a deck of cards...like we fell yesterday...:) ind 122/6.... Ind will be lucky to avoid innings defeat....Kohli needs to play a Mullah here to avoid innings defeat....:lol:

NoName
December 8, 2012, 03:04 AM
BAHAHAHA I went down to eat 30min while India was only 2 down, and now they 6 down!:floor::floor::floor:

firstlane
December 8, 2012, 03:19 AM
Cricinfo's Headline: Kohli fights to hold up England

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I thought he would be at least on 70/80 runs. I checked the scorecard. He was on 19 at that time.
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NoName
December 8, 2012, 03:26 AM
Considering the scores Indian batsmen have been making, Kohli's 19 is a heck of a fight.

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 03:41 AM
Considering the scores Indian batsmen have been making, Kohli's 19 is a heck of a fight.

Yeah....and his struggle ends on 20.... :lol:

Ind 155/7 still trailing...:)

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 03:48 AM
Number 8 gone on 159.... Safely heading for an innings defeat.....WOW...:)

firstlane
December 8, 2012, 04:31 AM
Considering the scores Indian batsmen have been making, Kohli's 19 is a heck of a fight.

Its the number of balls he faced.

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 04:43 AM
India needs 22 runs with two wickets, to avoid innings defeat....:)

Good rear guard action from the tail so far....

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 05:02 AM
10 more to avoid innings defeat....still 2 wickets in hand...looks like they will do it..

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 05:03 AM
Uff...less than a min....9th wicket falls.....:) one wicket remaining to do the job...

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 05:13 AM
India saves innings defeat....credit to Ashwin...:)

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 05:14 AM
7 fielders around Ojha....for just 1 ball....:lol:

Tiger Manc
December 8, 2012, 05:32 AM
LOL @ firstlane. Didn't know scoring 19 runs is a 'fightback'. What's 30 runs? An annhiliation?

BANFAN
December 8, 2012, 07:02 AM
India lead by 32 runs, with one wicket in Hand.

England need to take one wicket and score the runs in One Full Day...:)

I think, Ind will lose that one wicket within first 5 overs tomorrow...So the curator of Eden gave them a pitch to take the match to 5th day...:)

Dilscoop
December 8, 2012, 07:05 AM
Dhoni < Curator.

Sohel
December 8, 2012, 07:11 AM
Eyakhon dekhi nijeder desheo jitte parena. Shommanjonok porajoyer dingulo ki phire ashte jachchhe abar?

Sovik
December 8, 2012, 07:17 AM
Innings defeat avoided thanks to ashwin. Poor performance for the team that loaded with batsmen we dream to have in our team or many teams

MyRoom
December 8, 2012, 07:23 AM
lol India were dreaming of a 4-0 revenge prior lol to the series now look set to be behind 2-1. They have always been an ordinary team even after playing for 100 years. A country of a billion with all that resources and still getting owned by those English boys which Cricket isn't even their most popular sport says something :)

MyRoom
December 8, 2012, 07:25 AM
Its obvious though that India will become considerably weaker once the likes of Sachin, Khan, Sehweg etc leave just like Laxman, Dravid etc. Won't be surprised if one-day Bangladesh can give them a serious game on a regular bases.

al Furqaan
December 8, 2012, 07:28 AM
Does anyone have any idea of how many match-winning type knocks SRT has played vs the number of times he's choked in clutch situations? Off the top of my head I would guess he has at least a 10:1 choke to clutch ratio

al-Sagar
December 8, 2012, 08:37 AM
poor india ....... fav for a home series defeat now

al-Sagar
December 8, 2012, 08:38 AM
is it time for India to invite BD ??? they seem to loose against all others....

BrianLara7
December 8, 2012, 12:12 PM
Can anyone explain to me why Ricky Ponting (ten times the winner Sehwag/ Indian players will ever be) never made comments like Bangladesh are ordinary and compare other opponents in order to belittle Bangladesh but Indian players feel the need to do so? England will destroy these flat track bullies 3-1

Nadim
December 8, 2012, 01:28 PM
Ashwin have test avg of 43:wow:

Leafs PWN
December 8, 2012, 02:01 PM
Can anyone explain to me why Ricky Ponting (ten times the winner Sehwag/ Indian players will ever be) never made comments like Bangladesh are ordinary and compare other opponents in order to belittle Bangladesh but Indian players feel the need to do so? England will destroy these flat track bullies 3-1

I believe Ricky Ponting did make such comments during our tour of Australia around 2004-2005. We ended up beating them in an ODI during that series.

BrianLara7
December 8, 2012, 03:02 PM
I believe Ricky Ponting did make such comments during our tour of Australia around 2004-2005. We ended up beating them in an ODI during that series.

I don't remember anything of that sorts. In fact before 2011 wc he actually said BD is a strong team and can beat any team on their day. And besides in 2004 we were near the level of Namibia/ Netherlands etc. Indians (specially sehwag) go out of their way to comment about Bangladesh even when we are not involved. Recently he said England is not Bangladesh so they have to work hard to take twenty wickets.

MyRoom
December 8, 2012, 03:47 PM
Who cares what that bold man Sehweg says talk is cheap I dare him to say it in front of us Bangladeshi's which he still hasn't done yet then he will start to have some points. He knows that once he and his buddy Sachin, Khan etc leave then the Indian team will become a lot weaker and because of that, will struggle to compete with Bangladesh. He's trying to play mind games but it won't work. As for this current test match, a big lol they're playing worse than us in Test Cricket at the moment. I'm surprised though that Ashwin averages higher than any of our batsman, shows how much we're lacking at the highest level but we will improve on that considering we have a test series with weaklings Zimbabwe next year.

Tiger444
December 8, 2012, 04:00 PM
I must say, well done to England. After a horrible 1st match, they've bounced back and smashed this Indian side quite easily. Congrats to them. They've been the more deserving team compared to the whining Indians.

BrianLara7
December 8, 2012, 07:22 PM
After being whitewash overseas 8-0 Indians cried how they will beat others at home and asked for turning pitch.. then got thrashed on turning pitch and all their bravehearts (dhoni, kohli) who blamed so called greentops for their failure failed to score on turners and flat tracks as well. It's not the pitches, India are just too arrogant to accept that they are just a mediocre test team.

MyRoom
December 8, 2012, 08:39 PM
lol panel are labelling Ashwin as a 'proper' and 'genuine' all-rounder. He will be if he performs as an all-rounder in ODIs and T20s. A real all-rounder does well in all formats and very few can do that today.

NoName
December 8, 2012, 11:52 PM
Come on England! Should have won that match by 10 wickets!

Tiger444
December 8, 2012, 11:56 PM
After being whitewash overseas 8-0 Indians cried how they will beat others at home and asked for turning pitch.. then got thrashed on turning pitch and all their bravehearts (dhoni, kohli) who blamed so called greentops for their failure failed to score on turners and flat tracks as well. It's not the pitches, India are just too arrogant to accept that they are just a mediocre test team.

That's where the problem lies. As long as they carry on with this attitude, they'll continue to suck until thy start taking a look at themselves and realizing what the problem. I think it's time they drop some of the senior players to shake them up and not take places for granted.

Dilscoop
December 9, 2012, 12:06 AM
Were they trying to beat some sort Bangladesh record at the same time too?

Nonetheless, congrats. Win the next one and take the damn series! Burry BCCI.

al-Sagar
December 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
now when did india last lost a series at home ???

it shows how important dravid and laxman were.

india should stop IPL and grow some real cricketers. the IPL has ruined the indian cricket to be honest. they are producing some decent t20 cricketers but not the real good cricketers anymore. stop IPL and save cricket

World Champs
December 9, 2012, 12:28 AM
lol India were dreaming of a 4-0 revenge prior lol to the series now look set to be behind 2-1. They have always been an ordinary team even after playing for 100 years. A country of a billion with all that resources and still getting owned by those English boys which Cricket isn't even their most popular sport says something :)
If indian has always been ordinary, then I guess we can call Bangladesh crap. Indian team is not playing well ATM but it doesn't mean we were always ordinary. India is the only team in world cricket which has won a world cup, t20 champoinship and achieved number 1 test ranking in Tests since ranking system started.. Name me another team and I would say India were always ordinary.

And playing cricket for 100 years?? Weren't Bdesh part of India and Pakistan At that time?? So Bdesh is also playing cricket for 100 years. More shame for your country. That you still are considered minnows.

World Champs
December 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
now when did india last lost a series at home ???

it shows how important dravid and laxman were.

india should stop IPL and grow some real cricketers. the IPL has ruined the indian cricket to be honest. they are producing some decent t20 cricketers but not the real good cricketers anymore. stop IPL and save cricket
We are not even producing decent T20 players. Its not about IPL. Its the attitude of the team where they think there is not a problem. This team needs changes. Deserving players are not being given opportunities at the right time.

Tiger444
December 9, 2012, 12:33 AM
Good to see you back World Champs. What's your take on the series so far? What were your expectations of this team and do you agree that you guys made the right team selection?

Sohel
December 9, 2012, 01:54 AM
We are not even producing decent T20 players. Its not about IPL. Its the attitude of the team where they think there is not a problem. This team needs changes. Deserving players are not being given opportunities at the right time.

Commiserations on your loss, bro. I've never been an India fan but have always admired many of your players, and have and will always support your team against Pakistan. I like to see the high and mighty fall especially when that height and might is generated more by the commercial marketplace than actual performance in a variety of transcontinental conditions. Something about rooting for the underdog rather than envy, I suppose. The point is, I'm not an India hater by any stretch of the imagination.

India is a good side abroad and nothing less than formidable at home. So this test series has been a major surprise for me. I have a few questions:

1. Do you think the high degree of commercial hype is creating complacency and delusions of grandeur amongst many of your National players?

2. If deserving players are not being given opportunities as you've posted, what would you suggest as the better, more reasonable and transparent way of making sure that they will be?

3. Who are some of these players you're talking about and why do you think they can be successful and then sustain success in International Cricket?

Looking forward to your kind response. Thank you :)

al Furqaan
December 9, 2012, 03:37 AM
If indian has always been ordinary, then I guess we can call Bangladesh crap. Indian team is not playing well ATM but it doesn't mean we were always ordinary. India is the only team in world cricket which has won a world cup, t20 champoinship and achieved number 1 test ranking in Tests since ranking system started.. Name me another team and I would say India were always ordinary.

And playing cricket for 100 years?? Weren't Bdesh part of India and Pakistan At that time?? So Bdesh is also playing cricket for 100 years. More shame for your country. That you still are considered minnows.

Bdesh was not really a part of India and Pakistan in anything apart from a political sense. Bangladesh has always been a bit culturally aloof, and although cricket has been played in Bangladesh just as long as it has in India and Pakistan...it has only really been played since the mid 90s. Unlike and India and Pakistan where cricket have been popular for nearly a century, in Bangladesh its only been 15 years or so.

I wouldn't say Bangladesh are minnows...if SL and India aren't considered minnows and they've been strong and home and poor abroad for decades, Bangladesh is almost there!

BANFAN
December 9, 2012, 04:14 AM
As usual, the curator of Eden has lost his job already...but I think it was a good pitch for Indian batsmen to score some runs....but unfortunately that poor guy lost his job for incompetence of their players.

Zaheer and Ishant is going to be dropped in next test...I think Dinda and some other guy will come in... Don't think they have the Balls to drop SRT...Yuvraj may be dropped as well....even Dhoni's captaincy is under threat....he will lose it if they fail to win the last test.

Maysun
December 9, 2012, 04:50 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/596328.html?CMP=chrome

Zaheer, Yuvraj and Harbhajan dropped!

Equinox
December 9, 2012, 06:35 AM
Dhoni needs to go. He is clearly overworked, exhausted and out of ideas. He should retire from Tests and ease up his schedule.

Indian Test XI:
Gambhir
Sehwag (c)
Pujara
Kohli (vc)
Tiwary
Rohit
Saha (wk)
Ashwin
Praveen
Umesh
Ojha

World Champs
December 9, 2012, 07:41 AM
Good to see you back World Champs. What's your take on the series so far? What were your expectations of this team and do you agree that you guys made the right team selection?
It may be surprising but I wanted Ind to lose this series and even expected India to lose after how India played against NZ 2 months back. Bcci and players are not ready to admit that this team is out of form and needs new players they are still high on that world cup win. After getting hammered 8-0 Dhoni said "we play 70% of our cricket in sub continent, these foreign tours are just like practice games and we will win against them at home. I hate this attitude. I

As for as Team selection goes IMO Sehwag, Gambhir and Yuvi should have been replaced by Rahane, Mukund and Rohit. and as of now Pankaj singh should have been selected in place of Awana.

World Champs
December 9, 2012, 07:58 AM
Commiserations on your loss, bro. I've never been an India fan but have always admired many of your players, and have and will always support your team against Pakistan. I like to see the high and mighty fall especially when that height and might is generated more by the commercial marketplace than actual performance in a variety of transcontinental conditions. Something about rooting for the underdog rather than envy, I suppose. The point is, I'm not an India hater by any stretch of the imagination.

India is a good side abroad and nothing less than formidable at home. So this test series has been a major surprise for me. I have a few questions:

1. Do you think the high degree of commercial hype is creating complacency and delusions of grandeur amongst many of your National players?

2. If deserving players are not being given opportunities as you've posted, what would you suggest as the better, more reasonable and transparent way of making sure that they will be?

3. Who are some of these players you're talking about and why do you think they can be successful and then sustain success in International Cricket?

Looking forward to your kind response. Thank you :)
1) After winning the world cup our players has really become complacent and believe they can even get away with murder. Their way of thinking as of now is as long as they can beat visiting teams at home, away games doesn't matter as most of the sides lose away and win at home. they were delusional that they just need turning wickets and they will beat England.

2) Imo BCCI should let selectors or a team of former players to watch upcoming players in domestic cricket rather then going by statistics alone and groom them under former cricketers. Make a pool of good batsmen, fast/Medium bowlers and spinners from which you can select your team. Selectors should be able to pick players from that pool in case first choice player is out of form or injured.

3) Upcoming and promising Indian batsmen are
Rahane, Mandeep, Rohit, Akshath Reddy and Mukund.

Seamers: ATM are Pankaj singh and Shami ahmed . Sandeep sharma and Pawan Suyal are good but they need some more time in domestic cricket.

Spinners: Sadly I don't see anyone apart from Ojha and Ashwin to even be a part of the squad as of now.

MyRoom
December 9, 2012, 08:13 AM
If indian has always been ordinary, then I guess we can call Bangladesh crap. Indian team is not playing well ATM but it doesn't mean we were always ordinary. India is the only team in world cricket which has won a world cup, t20 champoinship and achieved number 1 test ranking in Tests since ranking system started.. Name me another team and I would say India were always ordinary.

And playing cricket for 100 years?? Weren't Bdesh part of India and Pakistan At that time?? So Bdesh is also playing cricket for 100 years. More shame for your country. That you still are considered minnows.

:ohno: Oh! I'm sooo scared! everyone knows it was Football that was the most popular sport in the whole region of Bengal, Cricket just didn't thrive back then. India had test status in 1926 whereas Bangladesh in 2000 so do the maths mate. Plus India has a billion people and have far more resources than Bangladesh and look you still cannot prouduce a world class bowler of Steyn calibre says everything. By the way, I have no problem with most Indian players think they're a great bunch of talented players, its your fans I have a problem with for bashing our Cricket and thinking you're the best or something when clearly you're not. This is the same country that doesn't even invite Bangladesh for a full series. Oh yeah minnows don't beat teams like India, England, New Zealand etc in the past two years and we're above New Zealand in the ODI rankings but not labelling them as minnows just shows your true feelings towards Bangladesh Cricket. I'm positive once the likes of Sehweg, Khan, Tendulkar etc leave just like Dravid, Laxman etc, Bangladesh who have the youngest of all players will find your new team a lot lot easier compete against. :waiting:

Dilscoop
December 9, 2012, 08:34 AM
The curator lost his job?? What you want him to do, score runs and take wickets also? This is just embarrassing now.

cricheart
December 9, 2012, 08:54 AM
Despite the result of the match, I'm sure if Sachin had managed to made his century this wouldn't happen. Shockingly they are putting 'anti-national act' tag over this poor curator now!

Dilscoop
December 9, 2012, 09:00 AM
Again why? It's not like he made a pacey and bouncey track that helped the English fast bowlers. He made a pitch that was good to bat on and also help the bowlers pick up 20 wickets. The team that was able to do that won.

It just goes to show that BCCI and Dhoni still arent accepting the fact that they have issues. It's not the ****ing pitch. If you start to blame your home pitches you will sound like a sore loser.... wait you already do.

Night_wolf
December 9, 2012, 09:59 AM
If indian has always been ordinary, then I guess we can call Bangladesh crap. Indian team is not playing well ATM but it doesn't mean we were always ordinary. India is the only team in world cricket which has won a world cup, t20 champoinship and achieved number 1 test ranking in Tests since ranking system started.. Name me another team and I would say India were always ordinary.

And playing cricket for 100 years?? Weren't Bdesh part of India and Pakistan At that time?? So Bdesh is also playing cricket for 100 years. More shame for your country. That you still are considered minnows.

lol bro calm down, no point replying him saying BD is crap..we know where India and BD stands, lets not make this place cricinfo ok:)..just ignore him

BrianLara7
December 9, 2012, 12:14 PM
This guy Tendulkar is one selfish person.. Any decent player who had any shame would retire after losing 8-0 overseas (if it's happened before) and then losing at home to same opponents.

BrianLara7
December 9, 2012, 12:20 PM
India are overrated home track bullies, their record outside India is abysmal for a nation with 1.5 billion people and so called one of the biggest economy in the world. They have same Win loss ratio is Sri lanka and only slightly better than New zealand (lmao) outside home country. So much for greatest cricketing nation, never produced a bowler averaging less than 28.

Tiger444
December 9, 2012, 12:50 PM
1) After winning the world cup our players has really become complacent and believe they can even get away with murder. Their way of thinking as of now is as long as they can beat visiting teams at home, away games doesn't matter as most of the sides lose away and win at home. they were delusional that they just need turning wickets and they will beat England.

2) Imo BCCI should let selectors or a team of former players to watch upcoming players in domestic cricket rather then going by statistics alone and groom them under former cricketers. Make a pool of good batsmen, fast/Medium bowlers and spinners from which you can select your team. Selectors should be able to pick players from that pool in case first choice player is out of form or injured.

3) Upcoming and promising Indian batsmen are
Rahane, Mandeep, Rohit, Akshath Reddy and Mukund.

Seamers: ATM are Pankaj singh and Shami ahmed . Sandeep sharma and Pawan Suyal are good but they need some more time in domestic cricket.

Spinners: Sadly I don't see anyone apart from Ojha and Ashwin to even be a part of the squad as of now.

Excellent post there :applause:

I agree on all your points there. The attitude clearly needs to change. I feel the best way to make this possible is to make sweeping changes across this team. Gambhir and Sehwag talking big? Drop them for awhile and give the younger kids a chance and give them a run. Also I'd strongly consider stripping Dhoni of captaincy. He's been far too complacent for a captain and his on field captaincy for Tests is a joke. A shake up of this team and I'm sure you'll see the players stop spewing crap out of their mouths and will actually try to perform and stop making excuses.

Also it seems that you guys have similar problems to ours. There's a misunderstanding of what a natural talent is. The selectors don't seem to be watching matches and instead are just going by previous stats.

India hasn't been a team that's ever been short of talent, the big issue is the attitude of the players and the board which is why they're underachieving.

NoName
December 9, 2012, 05:28 PM
Oh boy they might bring in 'Jaddu' into the test squad.

Sohel
December 10, 2012, 12:52 AM
1) After winning the world cup our players has really become complacent and believe they can even get away with murder. Their way of thinking as of now is as long as they can beat visiting teams at home, away games doesn't matter as most of the sides lose away and win at home. they were delusional that they just need turning wickets and they will beat England.

2) Imo BCCI should let selectors or a team of former players to watch upcoming players in domestic cricket rather then going by statistics alone and groom them under former cricketers. Make a pool of good batsmen, fast/Medium bowlers and spinners from which you can select your team. Selectors should be able to pick players from that pool in case first choice player is out of form or injured.

3) Upcoming and promising Indian batsmen are
Rahane, Mandeep, Rohit, Akshath Reddy and Mukund.

Seamers: ATM are Pankaj singh and Shami ahmed . Sandeep sharma and Pawan Suyal are good but they need some more time in domestic cricket.

Spinners: Sadly I don't see anyone apart from Ojha and Ashwin to even be a part of the squad as of now.

Thoughtful post and thanks for taking the time to respond in to my questions :)

I couldn't agree more with Tiger444's post.

Jadukor
December 10, 2012, 01:32 AM
India are overrated home track bullies, their record outside India is abysmal for a nation with 1.5 billion people and so called one of the biggest economy in the world. They have same Win loss ratio is Sri lanka and only slightly better than New zealand (lmao) outside home country. So much for greatest cricketing nation, never produced a bowler averaging less than 28.
why go on attacking the Indians while our own team still gets embarrassed on away tours? Have you seen Rubel, Shafiul, Shahadat and Abul's averages? Lets wait till we have achieved similar feats the Indian team did before trying to kick them when they are down.

BrianLara7
December 10, 2012, 12:59 PM
why go on attacking the Indians while our own team still gets embarrassed on away tours? Have you seen Rubel, Shafiul, Shahadat and Abul's averages? Lets wait till we have achieved similar feats the Indian team did before trying to kick them when they are down.

Well I have never claimed Bangladesh are anything more than a mediocre team unlike Indians crowing all the time about how Bangladesh are so crap and they are the greatest team in history. And about kicking them when they are down, according to facts they have never really been "up" outside India.

Gowza
December 11, 2012, 05:47 AM
sucks for tiwary that he got injured.

World Champs
December 11, 2012, 06:52 AM
Well I have never claimed Bangladesh are anything more than a mediocre team unlike Indians crowing all the time about how Bangladesh are so crap and they are the greatest team in history. And about kicking them when they are down, according to facts they have never really been "up" outside India.
Never been up??

Won in Eng 2007 and drew 1-1 in 2002
Lost to aus 1-2 in 2008, drew 1-1in 2004
Won in West Indies ( 2 series in row)
Drew 1-1 in South Africa, lost 1-2 in 2006
Won in in NZ

All the above in last 10 years.

al Furqaan
December 11, 2012, 05:27 PM
Never been up??

Won in Eng 2007 and drew 1-1 in 2002
Lost to aus 1-2 in 2008, drew 1-1in 2004
Won in West Indies ( 2 series in row)
Drew 1-1 in South Africa, lost 1-2 in 2006
Won in in NZ

All the above in last 10 years.

2002 England series the bowling was severely depleted with Harmison and Jones missing almost the entire series. AUS in 2008 weren't as strong as they were a few years before or as they are now. Windies and NZ are bottom ranked sides...even Bashar's Bangladesh drew a Test against a full strength WI in the Caribbean.

2004 AUS series takes the cake...McGrath, Warne, Lee all missed the majority of the series if memory serves correctly, meaning you went up against their 2nd string bowling attack with the "best" batting lineup in the world. No matter how good that second string might be, its still a very distant second string.

So if you knock off half or more than half of that list, its not sufficient for a massive nation playing at the top level for 80 years to chest thump against wee little Bangladesh, whose fans acknowledge the pathetic records of their team.

BrianLara7
December 11, 2012, 05:59 PM
Never been up??

Won in Eng 2007 and drew 1-1 in 2002
Lost to aus 1-2 in 2008, drew 1-1in 2004
Won in West Indies ( 2 series in row)
Drew 1-1 in South Africa, lost 1-2 in 2006
Won in in NZ

All the above in last 10 years.

Lol don't get mad, one swallow doesn't make a summer. Beating WI post 2000 is not any great achievement and less said about NZ the better. India's overall record outside India and specially outside Asia is beyond pathetic for so called super power. As I said your away record is equal to Sri lanka and NZ. No doubt India has been a decent team for the last decade but according to their fans you would think they are comparable to Australia and West indies of the past.

Dilscoop
December 11, 2012, 06:28 PM
When's the last game?

RazabQ
December 11, 2012, 08:42 PM
As myself:

Hubris is never good. Australia saw that a generation of greats was retiring (Gilly, Warney, Pigeon, Lager, Haydos, etc.) and totally changed up their setup, brought in young players and now look very promising. Oh and another thing, their greats tend to do what Laxman and Dravid did - walk away with dignity.

Engerland saw Harmy and Hoggy not getting it done, Vaughny being a shell and promptly rebuilt the side around younger players.

The present Indian cricket team has a sense of entitlement that is not matched by ability to deliver. The increasingly powerful BCCI has pulled all kinds of shenanigans: such as forcing other countries to ban their ICL players even after they'd gotten NoCs, by forcing countries such as BD and NZ to provide flat pitches when they tour, by extorting media outlets for having the temerity to show Hawk-Eye and DRS replays and by never inviting BD to tour.

In that context, even the most rational, Tendu and Laxman loving, Dravid and Kumble admiring Bangladeshi cricket follower, cannot help but smirk a little now that the emperor has been revealed to be well and truly digombor ([বাংলা]দিগম্বর[/বাংলা] )

BrianLara7
December 12, 2012, 12:12 AM
As myself:

Hubris is never good. Australia saw that a generation of greats was retiring (Gilly, Warney, Pigeon, Lager, Haydos, etc.) and totally changed up their setup, brought in young players and now look very promising. Oh and another thing, their greats tend to do what Laxman and Dravid did - walk away with dignity.

Engerland saw Harmy and Hoggy not getting it done, Vaughny being a shell and promptly rebuilt the side around younger players.

The present Indian cricket team has a sense of entitlement that is not matched by ability to deliver. The increasingly powerful BCCI has pulled all kinds of shenanigans: such as forcing other countries to ban their ICL players even after they'd gotten NoCs, by forcing countries such as BD and NZ to provide flat pitches when they tour, by extorting media outlets for having the temerity to show Hawk-Eye and DRS replays and by never inviting BD to tour.

In that context, even the most rational, Tendu and Laxman loving, Dravid and Kumble admiring Bangladeshi cricket follower, cannot help but smirk a little now that the emperor has been revealed to be well and truly digombor ([বাংলা]দিগম্বর[/বাংলা] )

Funny how it's racism only when other countries (white) do it but when India refuses DRS or Dhoni argues with umpire it's no big deal. Weren't India the ones crying when Steve bucknors decision went against them and they got him removed? But now it's they who refuse to use DRS. Arrogance and delusion, not a good mix.

World Champs
December 12, 2012, 06:17 AM
2002 England series the bowling was severely depleted with Harmison and Jones missing almost the entire series. AUS in 2008 weren't as strong as they were a few years before or as they are now. Windies and NZ are bottom ranked sides...even Bashar's Bangladesh drew a Test against a full strength WI in the Caribbean.

2004 AUS series takes the cake...McGrath, Warne, Lee all missed the majority of the series if memory serves correctly, meaning you went up against their 2nd string bowling attack with the "best" batting lineup in the world. No matter how good that second string might be, its still a very distant second string.

So if you knock off half or more than half of that list, its not sufficient for a massive nation playing at the top level for 80 years to chest thump against wee little Bangladesh, whose fans acknowledge the pathetic records of their team.
Making excuses for other teams?? that player didn't play, that was injured blah blah blah. Before 2011 Eng didn't had any series win against India be it home or away for 15 years.And if West indies were so bad then why don't Pakistan and Sri lanka doesn't even have 1 series win against them in indies. And Eng have managed only 1.

Sure Aus missed their bowlers but Aus still had their powerful batting line up to play against the mighty Indian bowling line up of Agarkar, Pathan and Nehra. If india is not good as you are trying to say surely Aus must have won that series comfortably.
And who is chest thumping?? I know we aren't the best team in the history not any where close. But you are making it sound like India is some below average team.