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M.H.Rubel
November 8, 2012, 08:10 AM
It seems some are happy and some are unhappy. Lets see who is thinking what?

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 08:16 AM
Hate hate hate the fact that Abul got picked ahead of Nazmul. Hate the fact that Abul got picked at all. Otherwise, an ok squad for the most part.
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Isnaad
November 8, 2012, 08:29 AM
To be honest, yes I am happy. Nazmul instead of Abul would have been better. I love the fact that Shohag Gazi has been given a chance.

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 08:36 AM
^feel the same way. I know Abul has potential but if they wanted to pick potential, isn't Taskin the better option then? He's done better so far in the NCL and has the most potential out of all our pacers. Anyways, Nazmul should've been picked. He's far more ready compared to Abul obviously.

Other then the Abul selection, I'll say that the selectors made the right call.

simon
November 8, 2012, 08:43 AM
rather no, because of Abul's inclusion & would have liked two more new faces.

frd
November 8, 2012, 08:46 AM
imagine SHAHRUKH and ABUL both are picked.then it is highly possible that WI score at +6.00 RPO :ohno:

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 08:47 AM
rather no, because of Abul's inclusion & would have liked two more new faces.

Anamul&Mominul you mean? We might end up seeing them in the 2nd Test match if Nazim, SN, or Junaid fail. They'll most likely feature in the ODIs.

frd
November 8, 2012, 08:53 AM
^feel the same way. I know Abul has potential but if they wanted to pick potential, isn't Taskin the better option then? He's done better so far in the NCL and has the most potential out of all our pacers. Anyways, Nazmul should've been picked. He's far more ready compared to Abul obviously.

Other then the Abul selection, I'll say that the selectors made the right call.

actually ABUL has a better domestic and youth career than Taskin.as abul has played some intl matches ,the selectors have chosen a more safer option . ABUL has some pace but is a crappy bowler .

M.H.Rubel
November 8, 2012, 08:56 AM
Abul's inclusion was a bit confusing and surprising but I dont see much difference between Shafiul/Abul/Nazmul. So i voted for happy with the team.

WarWolf
November 8, 2012, 08:58 AM
I have lost faith of the current selection team. Now Lota is not there to manipulate the team selection. So I won't buy their logic of crappy selection.

Tiger Manc
November 8, 2012, 08:58 AM
To be honest, yes I am happy. Nazmul instead of Abul would have been better. I love the fact that Shohag Gazi has been given a chance.

My sentiments exactly.

Sohel
November 8, 2012, 08:58 AM
Ecstatic!

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 09:00 AM
actually ABUL has a better domestic and youth career than Taskin.as abul has played some intl matches ,the selectors have chosen a more safer option . ABUL has some pace but is a crappy bowler .

Abul averages a 43 and a SR of an 88 whereas Taskin averages 31 and SR of 61 in FC's. Abul did have the better U19 stats behind him. Overall neither should be there. I don't mind Abul being there as an understudy but dont want him playing.

roman
November 8, 2012, 09:02 AM
I am upset to see no Enamul. This guy has been performing consistently over the last few years. He deserved to be in the squad.

Nadim
November 8, 2012, 09:13 AM
I am upset to see no Enamul. This guy has been performing consistently over the last few years. He deserved to be in the squad.

only player he could replace is Sunny...

simon
November 8, 2012, 09:13 AM
I am upset to see no Enamul. This guy has been performing consistently over the last few years. He deserved to be in the squad.

ya indeed forgot abt him.
he is sooooo experienced and has been consistent.
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M.H.Rubel
November 8, 2012, 09:14 AM
I dont rate Nazmul much in test cricket. Specially in context of wickets of Bangladesh. He is a bit over rated in test cricket in BC.
He dont have much pace. Basically He is a seam bowler. Hardly we play with 3 pacers. To me if we play with 2 pacers both should be pacers. A medium pacer like Nazmul can be considered only when we play with 3 pacers. Further more Wickets in this series will be dusty. I dont think medium pace seamers have much to offer in this conditions.

tiger_army
November 8, 2012, 09:14 AM
No enamul jnr.... God i can feel or this poor guy... i support Gazis inclusion, but reall like to see Jnr instead of sunn

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 09:49 AM
No Enamul and too many off form players; SN, Mushy, Nazimuddin, Mullah, Nasir... Might hurt us...needed some of the in form players... At least one of Anamul/Mominul....Shafiul for Abul could be better since I'm not sure if Rubel will be back to his form soon...

Fazal
November 8, 2012, 09:50 AM
Win or lose... I like this type of selection... risky but bold and brave....giving chance to some of the young players.

In this approach, every new player doesn't need to be successful.... if you find just one young player who shows potential and reminds you about young Sakib, Mashrafee or Tamim (talent wise) for every 2 series...and identify who has it (i.e. excel under presssure regardless of talent), that will take us further than investing on older players with known cronic desease.

WarWolf
November 8, 2012, 09:50 AM
My overall feeling is not happy about the team selection.

Let me start by positives.
1. Having the courage to drop Ash for this series.
2. Bringing Shohag in the 14.

Now negatives.
1. Bringing Abul to play test matches. He has played only 6 FC matches and didn't show any promise in longer version. I am afraid Gayle and company may just slaughter him. This could be the end of a promising bowler.

2. Weakest possible pace attack. We all know Shahadat. Majority of his international wickets came from short deliveries. I don't think he would be able to be much successful against this WI team by using that weapon. Rubel is a good bowler by BD standard. But he may need time to come back to rhythm and probably not 100% fit yet. The less said about Abul the better.

3. Keeping Riyad in the side. Some people might disagree with me about this point. Riyad is a negative mindset player and not in good form right at the moment. He has better average than most of the BD players in test. But almost none of them came under pressure time. I am afraid Nasir might have to sit down to give Riyad a place in the team.

4. At least 1 young batsman should be there. Our batting lineup still has big holes. Home series is the best option to try new batsmen.

Gowza
November 8, 2012, 09:56 AM
Win or lose... I like this type of selection... risky but bold and brave....giving chance to some of the young players.

In this approach, every new player doesn't need to be successful.... if you find just one young player who shows potential and reminds you about young Sakib, Mashrafee or Tamim (talent wise) for every 2 series...and identify who has it (i.e. excel under presssure regardless of talent), that will take us further than investing on older players with known cronic desease.

best chance for young players is for them to debut at home in conditions and pitches they are use to, if anamul and mominul don't debut in this series they'll probably end up doing it away from home in foreign conditions which really isn't the best way to debut them really.

but at least gazi is there, we need some different options for spinner other than SLAs all the time so i really hope he gets a run in this series and i hope he can do well. i hope abul can do well also but going by his domestic and international records to-date i'm not expecting much. what's scary is that shahadat is the experienced pacer he's the one that rubel and abul will be going to advice for things.

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 09:59 AM
best chance for young players is for them to debut at home in conditions and pitches they are use to, if anamul and mominul don't debut in this series they'll probably end up doing it away from home in foreign conditions which really isn't the best way to debut them really.

but at least gazi is there, we need some different options for spinner other than SLAs all the time so i really hope he gets a run in this series and i hope he can do well. i hope abul can do well also but going by his domestic and international records to-date i'm not expecting much. what's scary is that shahadat is the experienced pacer he's the one that rubel and abul will be going to advice for things.

Anamul and Mominul still have their chance for the 2nd Test match and also there are 5 ODI's. So I believe they'll feature in the ODI's if not the Test matches which won't be bad.

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 10:05 AM
No enamul jnr.... God i can feel or this poor guy... i support Gazis inclusion, but reall like to see Jnr instead of sunn

But what has Elias Sunny done wrong to get dropped from the side? I believe he was the 2nd player to ever have a fifer on debut which is special. On top of that it was against the West Indies. Selectors also asked Saqlain's opinion and so it shows Enamul couldn't have been that much better. Obviously Enamul has done really well but with Shakib and Sunny as our SLA's, it was going to be hard for him to make it.

Enamul will get his chance if Elias's performances start to tail off or he's injured. Or if Sohag does indeed need more time to mature.

Gowza
November 8, 2012, 10:05 AM
My overall feeling is not happy about the team selection.

Let me start by positives.
1. Having the courage to drop Ash for this series.
2. Bringing Shohag in the 14.

Now negatives.
1. Bringing Abul to play test matches. He has played only 6 FC matches and didn't show any promise in longer version. I am afraid Gayle and company may just slaughter him. This could be the end of a promising bowler.

2. Weakest possible pace attack. We all know Shahadat. Majority of his international wickets came from short deliveries. I don't think he would be able to be much successful against this WI team by using that weapon. Rubel is a good bowler by BD standard. But he may need time to come back to rhythm and probably not 100% fit yet. The less said about Abul the better.

3. Keeping Riyad in the side. Some people might disagree with me about this point. Riyad is a negative mindset player and not in good form right at the moment. He has better average than most of the BD players in test. But almost none of them came under pressure time. I am afraid Nasir might have to sit down to give Riyad a place in the team.

riyad being VC messes up selections really. VC should go to tamim or shakib as they're definite fixtures all the time. riyad has had his moments but he's been on a downward spiral for awhile and being that he's VC means he'll get an auto selection when he isn't performing enough to be given that. i'd pick nasir over riyad especially in tests and ODIs. there is a good chance we will go into the first test with 3 spinners and 2 pacers, 5 specialist bowlers 3 of them spinners so riyad isn't needed especially with nasir and riyad in the team who can also provide spin. atm riyad hasn't established himself as a bowler or a batsman which is a bit of a problem as to be a test allrounder you really need to be specialist quality in both those suits.

now mushy has also been on a downward spiral as of late, the difference is he's the keeper and the selectors aren't looking at bringing in another keeper so mushy will be safer whether captain or not, as a keeper batsman he offers the most potential other than possibly anamul but he's needed in the top 3.

Fazal
November 8, 2012, 10:07 AM
best chance for young players is for them to debut at home in conditions and pitches they are use to, if anamul and mominul don't debut in this series they'll probably end up doing it away from home in foreign conditions which really isn't the best way to debut them really.

For some reason I thought Anamul was there. But I am hoping in the 2nd Test they may bring Anamul and/or Mominul. Otherwaie it would be not so bold as I said earlier... even though there are few new faces plus few players who pretty new in test arena.

And yes it's always a good idea to bring more new faces in home games under known condition and crowd.

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 10:09 AM
best chance for young players is for them to debut at home in conditions and pitches they are use to, if anamul and mominul don't debut in this series they'll probably end up doing it away from home in foreign conditions which really isn't the best way to debut them really.

but at least gazi is there, we need some different options for spinner other than SLAs all the time so i really hope he gets a run in this series and i hope he can do well. i hope abul can do well also but going by his domestic and international records to-date i'm not expecting much. what's scary is that shahadat is the experienced pacer he's the one that rubel and abul will be going to advice for things.

Shahadat is still the best test pacer we have produced, so it's not so worrying. More over we have a coach primarily for pace bowling, so it's probably the best time for bowlers with raw pace to be in the team. If you are asking for Nazmul, you are being too negative/defensive in your mindset. We need aggressive pace bowlers in test matches,that comes with all the three pacers. We have a lots of spinners to check runs. Why should we go with Nazmul in test matches.

I'm more worried about batting. One of Anamul/Mominul could have been in the team.

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 10:15 AM
Shahadat is still the best test pacer we have produced, so it's not so worrying. More over we have a coach primarily for pace bowling, so it's probably the best time for bowlers with raw pace to be in the team. If you are asking for Nazmul, you are being too negative/defensive in your mindset. We need aggressive pacer bowlers in test matches,that comes with all the three pacers. We have a lots of spinners to check runs. Why should not go with Nazmul in test matches.

I'm more worried about batting. One of Anamul/Mominul could have been in the team.

Nazmul might not have good pace but he is one of Bangladesh's best seam bowlers. He was the best bowler against Pakistan in the 2nd Test match because of his disciplined line and length and the movement he was getting off the pitch. So I thought he should've been there. Abul does have potential but is still very raw and a few years away from being ready.

Anyways, no point of really talking about what could've/should've happened. Whoever has been selected is selected now since we should back whoever is in the squad and hope for the best.

Gowza
November 8, 2012, 10:35 AM
Shahadat is still the best test pacer we have produced, so it's not so worrying. More over we have a coach primarily for pace bowling, so it's probably the best time for bowlers with raw pace to be in the team. If you are asking for Nazmul, you are being too negative/defensive in your mindset. We need aggressive pace bowlers in test matches,that comes with all the three pacers. We have a lots of spinners to check runs. Why should we go with Nazmul in test matches.

I'm more worried about batting. One of Anamul/Mominul could have been in the team.

shahadat isn't a very good test match bowler, he might be the best BD produced but that doesn't make him a good test match bowler, up and coming pacers need strong quality guidance and i don't see how shahadat can give that to them when he hasn't established himself as a decent test match bowler himself, he hasn't learnt control and that's something the young pacers need to learn and need guidance on.

why should nazmul be there? because he has much better control, keeps more to line and length, line and lengths that batsmen have more trouble with therefore he's got a good chance of taking wickets. nazmul has only played 2 test matches, he has a 38 average which obviously isn't great but compared to most BD test pacers it's not bad at all, give him his chance at least.

fuadomar
November 8, 2012, 10:36 AM
Anamul, Mominul in place of nazimuddin and nafees would have been better. Not bothered about pace as they won't bowl more than 15pc.

M.H.Rubel
November 8, 2012, 10:41 AM
There are some weak link in the team. Nazimuddin,SN,Zunaid,Riyad.3 out of this 5 guys will get a chance to play the test. All of them will not do good. So i can see chance is still waiting for both Anamul and Mominul in the 2nd test.

Tiger Manc
November 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
The only difference between Shahadat and Abul is that the ball will travel to the boundary quicker.

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 11:09 AM
Win or lose... I like this type of selection... risky but bold and brave....giving chance to some of the young players.

In this approach, every new player doesn't need to be successful.... if you find just one young player who shows potential and reminds you about young Sakib, Mashrafee or Tamim (talent wise) for every 2 series...and identify who has it (i.e. excel under presssure regardless of talent), that will take us further than investing on older players with known cronic desease.
Abul doesn't remind me of the young Tamim/Shakib. If SN/Nazim can get in based on what they did to Pakistan a year ago, I don't see why Nazmul can't. I think Loitta was right to meddle with selection - when your selectors have vacuums for heads, you need to *whip* them into shape. Everyone must be accountable for his actions.

Naimul_Hd
November 8, 2012, 11:16 AM
Both Anamul and Mominul is far better batsman than Nazim and Nafees ! F*** experience when it comes to deliver both Nazim and Nafees sux big time.

And the less we talk about Abul, the better.

Big loss: Anamul/Mominul, Nazmul Hossain, Enamul Haque Jr.

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
I'm not too fussed about the exclusion of Anamul/Mominul. I believe the only way we can move up the rankings is by:

a) Giving the current bunch more time to develop
b) Holding back upcoming talent even if they are better than the current bunch, to make sure that when they are brought in, they are not just better than the current players, but better by a big margin. An occasional hundred or a few fifties don't fit that description.

I'm all for forgoing short term benefits for longer term interests. I think age matters and we need to get to a point where the average age of the team is in the late twenties - early thirties instead of continuing to rely on 19/20 year-olds. This works not just in cricket but other team sports too - soccer for example.

As for Enamul, tough luck, but I understand. Sunny hasn't done anything to get chopped and three SLAs might be one too many.

But picking Abul - now there's a disaster waiting to happen.

Fazal
November 8, 2012, 11:39 AM
Abul doesn't remind me of the young Tamim/Shakib..

He shouldn't and he will never remind you a Sakib or tamim even in the best possible scenario. Abul is a FB and Sakib is an (spinner) all-rounder and Tamim is a pure batsman.

In a best case scenario, he may remind us a mashrafee in making. But if he doesn't and he flops big time with no sign of improment and promise...then no harm done.... at some point you cut loss and you realize he may not be ready for prime time and move on with another youngster in the waiting line. In my opinion that's how you search and find the next gem. FB can come and shine early in their lifetime where as it takes time for a spinner to shine and dominate. ofcourse there are always some exceptions.

Jadukor
November 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
Junaid and Nafees will get a chance... once they fail it will be another comeback for Ashraful and Rockibul and then once they fail we will be back to Junaid and Nafees... and the cycle will continue just like our political process

Enamul Hq junior seems to be in the best bowling form of his life at the moment so not picking him in the squad seems like a tough call regardless of how many SLAs we have. Hopefully Sunny will carry on the form he showed in his debut.

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 11:45 AM
He shouldn't and he will never remind you a Sakib or tamim even in the best possible scenario. Abul is a FB and Sakib is an (spinner) all-rounder and Tamim is a pure batsman.

In a best case scenario, he may remind us a mashrafee in making. But if he doesn't and he flops big time with no sign of improment and promise...then no harm done.... at some point you cut loss and you realize he may not be ready for prime time and move on with another youngster in the waiting line. In my opinion that's how you search and find the next gem. FB can come and shine early in their lifetime where as it takes time for a spinner to shine and dominate. ofcourse there are always some exceptions.
So how long will it take for the selectors to move on from him? How long before my eyes are relieved of the pain of watching him spray it all over the place and lose his undies in the process?

Mashrafe crashed into the scene at 147 km/hr and with 4 wickets against Zimbabwe (the real Zimbabwe side, not the one made up of the current wannabe's). Abul crashed into the scene with 20+ runs off an over off a puny 15 year old in U-19 cricket.

Edit: Oh no wait, he crashed into the scene earlier, when he lost us an all-important game in the U-19 WC two years ago, from a winning position.

Jadukor
November 8, 2012, 11:48 AM
In a best case scenario, he may remind us a mashrafee in making. But if he doesn't and he flops big time with no sign of improment and promise...then no harm done.... at some point you cut loss and you realize he may not be ready for prime time and move on with another youngster in the waiting line. In my opinion that's how you search and find the next gem. FB can come and shine early in their lifetime where as it takes time for a spinner to shine and dominate. ofcourse there are always some exceptions.

no harm done for the fans perhaps but irreparable damage done to young careers for sure. If you keep searching for the next tendulkar or steyn among 19 yr olds then you will have to discard many potential talents before you actually land on somebody special. There is no quick fix or shortcuts in cricket and one has to do the hard yards in domestic cricket to improve their skills. God gifted talents will always be few and far in between and chasing after those will surely be a recipe for disaster. A player like Abul has a much better chance of succeeding if he plays more FC cricket before he comes on to bowl to the likes of Gayle, Chaunderpaul

mufi_02
November 8, 2012, 12:00 PM
Its a good decision to try with the 'reputed' players in the 1st Test and if they fail we might see Anamul/Mominul in the 2nd Test and almost certainly in one of the ODIs.

Like -
1. Inclusion of Gazi and Naeem

Dislike -
1. Abul
2. SN
3. No Enam Jnr. He is performing better than Sunny but Akram Khan said in press conference that Saqlain Mushtaq favored Sunny

Catskills
November 8, 2012, 02:19 PM
How on earth was Abul picked- the selectors were smoking or something?? This is absolute nonsense

oronnya
November 8, 2012, 02:35 PM
hmm now it's hard to say whether I'm happy with the selection or not. When we choose a player in our country we don't think that who is better than the other, our thought process works more like who is less crappier than the other. It's really hard to choose the good one from a basket full of craps. Apart from Shakib and Tamim I can't think of a single player who can be a auto choice. Not even Sunny (Enam Jr can easily replace him) and Nasir (he is hardly an allrounder nowadays so easily Anamul or Mominul could replace him in test in terms of batting).

But yes I am utterly disappointed with the selection of Abul. Just the thought of Abul and Shahadat bowling to Gayle, Bravo, Chanderpaul et al. makes me scared.

And good to see Gazi getting the test cap :).

mij
November 8, 2012, 02:45 PM
not happy, we are waiting to see what our experience not in form player's performance, which I think they will not perform good.

mij
November 8, 2012, 02:49 PM
The only difference between Shahadat and Abul is that the ball will travel to the boundary quicker.

:up::up::up:

godzilla
November 8, 2012, 02:57 PM
whats with this ABUL LOVE?:facepalm:

roman
November 8, 2012, 03:05 PM
Please don't judge Abul based on his T20 performance. He may be a decent one in test. You never know. Akram is saying that he got raw pace. (Really don't know how fast he is). Besides I don't see him making it to playing XI surpassing Rubel and Shahadat..So no need to worry :)

kalpurush
November 8, 2012, 03:06 PM
As for Enamul, tough luck, but I understand. Sunny hasn't done anything to get chopped and three SLAs might be one too many.


Bad luck indeed for Enam!

As for Abul, my guess is he won't be in the palying squad. He is there to get some confidence IMO.

Fazal
November 8, 2012, 03:09 PM
So how long will it take for the selectors to move on from him? How long before my eyes are relieved of the pain of watching him spray it all over the place and lose his undies in the process?

BCB should have some guideline about a) When to bring a new young player; b) what is expected out of him; c) what is the realistic duration to to evaluate to keep him or to cut him. We fans may have our own expecation and threshold based on our own biasness and taste, and it will be different for different fans ....which is ok. But BCb should have more standarized guideline (not rule).

Just beacuse BCB may be chosing the wrong person to promote or keeping someone too long is not an excuse to shut down new players for too long. There was too many failures ... but there were also success stories bringing new kids too early like sakinb, tamim, etc.

Fazal
November 8, 2012, 03:17 PM
no harm done for the fans perhaps but irreparable damage done to young careers for sure. If you keep searching for the next tendulkar or steyn among 19 yr olds then you will have to discard many potential talents before you actually land on somebody special.

If you ask me, there should be guideline, but there should not be "hard and fast" rule how long we should wait before bringing any new players. We shouldn't follow same "cookie cutter" method for all new players. Sakib and Tamim was brought too early and was thrown in the fire, they came back as steel. On the other hand regardless how many times we tried to bring Tushar (with lot of 1st class experiece), he burnt under fire.

Coaches, selectors (should) know more than fans (in general term) who has the potential to bring early and who need more time to mature, and should make decision to bring some players earlier than others. In the process, some people may misfire... that's fine....but we cannot take a position where we don't take any calculative risk at all. Me must take calculative risk with the understanding that some will fail but few of them may shine.

Catskills
November 8, 2012, 04:00 PM
Enamul Haque Jr. should have been picked. He is doing superb in domestic cricket. Besides, he has a lot experience in the international arena as well.
Zunaid Siddiqui should open with Tamim in my opinion. His Test record is much better than many who will certain to play against West Indies.

reyme
November 8, 2012, 04:07 PM
In addition to what Fazal had to say, I want to believe in Test matches you want to bring match winners. We cant afford a high scoring Test, we will lose by miles. Yet we need courageous affressive batsmen who can attack. Thats why we need Mominul and Anamul now, not Nazim or Nafees, who will be out there just to survive and score few runs in process. But that wont win us anything. Infact they will create more pressure on other batsmen down the line. Anamul might fire or might not, but if he does he will be match winner....

We also need to take 20 wickets to win, so we need a bowler who can wipe them out on day 4 or 5. That's where Enam comes, since Shak is out of form.

Test is for specialist, not for bits and pieces players. No point even taking 2 pacers, they will be hammered. Put in Enam, Sunny, Shakib and Shohag, I see WI gets bundled out within 200. Then we have a real chance.

That's why my team was
Tamim/Zunaid
Mominul/Anamul
Naeem/Shakib
Mushy/Nasir
Enam/Shohag/Shahadat

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 04:07 PM
Like that great man once said, "We aren't leaving behind any Tendulkars, Sehwag" ...

IMO, this is one of the most weakest squad I have seen in most recent times. I know we all complain about squads every time, for different reasons and players, but this time I can't even complain. Because that's all we have! Besides Tamim, Shakib and Rahim (only because he's the "captain") none of these guys are fixed contender.

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 04:08 PM
Mominul and Anamul can't even beat U-19 players, what makes you think they'll beat the West Indies senior team?

They are good, but putting the match-winner tag on them is premature.

reyme
November 8, 2012, 04:17 PM
Not sure which U19s, but if mominul and Anamul can't beat U19, then nazim, Nafees won't beat U10...Yes maybe a bit premature to call them match winners now, but at least they have a real potential to be a match winner...unlike Nafees...they are scorning freely in NCL where nazim and Nafees are struggling to score a double digits....on the very same pitch against exact same bowlers...

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nafees seemed like he had a lot of potential too when he started, but then he got married and fat. Hopefully the same (marriage and fatness) won't happen to Anamul/Mominul.

Anamul tore 500 taka dimu, tui biya korish na.

Nadim
November 8, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nafees seemed like he had a lot of potential too when he started, but then he got married and fat. Hopefully the same (marriage and fatness) won't happen to Anamul/Mominul.

Anamul tore 500 taka dimu, tui biya korish na.
Even after marrifge he was scoring runs...icl er takar luve pore shob geche...
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Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 04:52 PM
Not sure which U19s, but if mominul and Anamul can't beat U19, then nazim, Nafees won't beat U10...Yes maybe a bit premature to call them match winners now, but at least they have a real potential to be a match winner...unlike Nafees...they are scorning freely in NCL where nazim and Nafees are struggling to score a double digits....on the very same pitch against exact same bowlers...

I wouldn't say hitting 1 century in the NCL, means scoring freely. You could term Tamim and Naeem as scoring "freely." Also it seems that your bracketing Nazim and Nafees as the same. Nafees scored a 60 in the 1st match and failed in the 2nd but didn't get a chance in the 2nd match. Nazim on the other failed to notch a 50. Also Nafees made 3 fifties in Tests in 2011 and he's hit big scores before at this level albeit, less consistently then we would have liked.

Finally your saying you want Junaid to open the innings. Don't forget he averages a 17 as opener and 32 as a #3. SN, on the other hand, averages a 27 as opener. So don't you think it's a better idea to have Nafees opening while Junaid is at #3?

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 04:58 PM
Mominul and Anamul can't even beat U-19 players, what makes you think they'll beat the West Indies senior team?

They are good, but putting the match-winner tag on them is premature.

Agree ..:up:

rinathq
November 8, 2012, 05:21 PM
My overall feeling is not happy about the team selection.



3. Keeping Riyad in the side. Some people might disagree with me about this point. Riyad is a negative mindset player and not in good form right at the moment. He has better average than most of the BD players in test. But almost none of them came under pressure time. I am afraid Nasir might have to sit down to give Riyad a place in the team.



Check his highest scores... against India, New Zealand... almost all of them were under a pressure situation. He is batting with the tail for all of those innings and extended the team total... that is the pressure situation for test cricket...

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 05:32 PM
Check his highest scores... against India, New Zealand... almost all of them were under a pressure situation. He is batting with the tail for all of those innings and extended the team total... that is the pressure situation for test cricket...

Might as well bring back Bashar, he scored a lot of runs too back in the day too?

Riyad is my least bit of concern. I'm not all that upset that he is on the team. But why do we always go back 5 years, using 2-3 w/e available examples to justifiyr a player's current position? Makes no sense.

Riyad was great. But he was ruined when he was promoted to 4 and demoted 8 within a series, thanks to Ashraful. He hasn't scored since. And I will forever hold that against the management.

rinathq
November 8, 2012, 05:33 PM
Not sure which U19s, but if mominul and Anamul can't beat U19, then nazim, Nafees won't beat U10...Yes maybe a bit premature to call them match winners now, but at least they have a real potential to be a match winner...unlike Nafees...they are scorning freely in NCL where nazim and Nafees are struggling to score a double digits....on the very same pitch against exact same bowlers...

Not sure which Nafees u are talking about but the Nafees i know, 3 of his highest test scores came against Australia and Pakistan.... Period

and the Nazim i know only played 2 international match, 1 he scored brilliantly and the other he did not, against the most destructive spin attack at that moment.

And match winners? give me a break. Bangladesh has NO match winners for test cricket yet. Tamim and Shakib are doing well but they are still not Match winners for the longer version... and you think Anamul and Mominul would be match winners?

and please don't use the "potential" tag on these players. Every single player in the team has the "potential" ....

rinathq
November 8, 2012, 05:38 PM
Might as well bring back Bashar, he scored a lot of runs too back in the day too?

Riyad is my least bit of concern. I'm not all that upset that he is on the team. But why do we always go back 5 years, using 2-3 w/e available examples to justifiyr a player's current position? Makes no sense.

Riyad was great. But he was ruined when he was promoted to 4 and demoted 8 within a series, thanks to Ashraful. He hasn't scored since. And I will forever hold that against the management.

I am not trying to back Riyad based on his scores 2 years ago. However, all his good scores came under no pressure situation is not true.. Thats why i used the example of India and New Zealand.

If a player is not performing... and you want him dropped, thats fair.... but forgetting his contribution in the past isnt

al Furqaan
November 8, 2012, 05:48 PM
Voted 50-50, because while I hate the squad and its inherent negativity, it might be a case of the selectors giving the Riyads, the SNs, the Junaids, and the Nazimuddins one last chance. If they pick the same squad for the 2nd test - even if we win the first by an innings - I'm going to go ballistic. I think if we had the warm up game, and saw what Anamul, Mominul, and others provided we would see a slightly different squad today and by different I mean progressive and not the current regressive side.

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 05:51 PM
I am not trying to back Riyad based on his scores 2 years ago. However, all his good scores came under no pressure situation is not true.. Thats why i used the example of India and New Zealand.

If a player is not performing... and you want him dropped, thats fair.... but forgetting his contribution in the past isnt

People forget about Sachin's 100 centuries once he hits couple of bad ones. You expect people to scream about Riyad's "pressure situation" 1.98 centuries?

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 05:53 PM
Voted 50-50, because while I hate the squad and its inherent negativity, it might be a case of the selectors giving the Riyads, the SNs, the Junaids, and the Nazimuddins one last chance. If they pick the same squad for the 2nd test - even if we win the first by an innings - I'm going to go ballistic. I think if we had the warm up game, and saw what Anamul, Mominul, and others provided we would see a slightly different squad today and by different I mean progressive and not the current regressive side.
What if we win the first Test by an inning AND the Riyads, the SNs, the Junaids and the Nazimuddins all make big scores?

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 05:57 PM
^ You should open double-Official Threads on them.

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 05:58 PM
What if we win the first Test by an inning AND the Riyads, the SNs, the Junaids and the Nazimuddins all make big scores?

Anamul and Mominul have to break Lara's first class record to enter the team....:)

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 06:02 PM
Forget about Riyad's batting. He is about to drop bunch of catches, keeping his eyes closed like that.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/151500/151541.jpg

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 06:04 PM
Darun fielder, he is focussing on the stumps....not exactly closing his eyes...:)

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 06:10 PM
^ Correct, to make a double-play. Catch_runout. He's on the next level.

BengaliPagol
November 8, 2012, 06:13 PM
Naeem i have to say is a good inclusion. Im really dissapointed that Mominul hasnt got his chance.

Think about it. If West Indies say they are happy with the conditions then we are f***** big time if Shahadat and Abul are in the same line up together. Nazmul should have been in the team.

I think selecting from Enamul, Elias & Sohag is really tough. Elias shouldnt be dropped just because Enamul is doing well in the domestics. Elias has been bowling well for the national team and doesnt deserve to be dropped. So it was a toss up between Enamul and Sohag the whole time. SOhag does add variety but he will strengthen the batting a bit which might come in handy. So really it was a hard decision.

al Furqaan
November 8, 2012, 06:15 PM
What if we win the first Test by an inning AND the Riyads, the SNs, the Junaids and the Nazimuddins all make big scores?

Flukes.

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 06:17 PM
Flukes.
Then why don't you mind giving them one last chance? What's even the point?

AsifTheManRahman
November 8, 2012, 06:20 PM
I don't think we should rely on Shohag's batting at all. Elias Sunny has 3 centuries and 8 50's in FC cricket, yet he doesn't seem to know how to hold a bat when playing for the national team. I know Gazi isn't Sunny, but an average of 27 in the world's best FC league isn't really flattering. Play him as a bowler, expect Pfeiffers, but don't expect anything from his bat. He will likely score no more than SN, i.e. a big fat Javed Omar Belim Golla.

Max100
November 8, 2012, 06:31 PM
i am not happy with selection. SN, nazimuddin and abul dont deserve position according to current form. mahmudullah is off form too, rubel just get back from injury, mushy is also not in good form. too many off form players. surprised not to see enam jr, i think we could place 3 spinner and 2 pacer in this match

my ideal selection wud have been

tamim
junaid
anamul/jahurul/mominul
naeem
mushfiq
shakib
nasir/ sohag gazi
sohag gazi/enamul jr
elias sunny
shahadat
rubel

Max100
November 8, 2012, 06:33 PM
hopefully they will leave out SN, nazimuddin, abul hasan in the first match. if we lose this match, it will be due to bad team selection. why picking off form player--i dont get any clue

Max100
November 8, 2012, 06:35 PM
naeem's selection is the only positive thing. hope he gets a chance to bowl too

reyme
November 8, 2012, 07:16 PM
Not sure which Nafees u are talking about but the Nafees i know, 3 of his highest test scores came against Australia and Pakistan.... Period

and the Nazim i know only played 2 international match, 1 he scored brilliantly and the other he did not, against the most destructive spin attack at that moment.

And match winners? give me a break. Bangladesh has NO match winners for test cricket yet. Tamim and Shakib are doing well but they are still not Match winners for the longer version... and you think Anamul and Mominul would be match winners?

and please don't use the "potential" tag on these players. Every single player in the team has the "potential" ....


Yes Nafees "had" many centuries! Those are years ago. As someone said why not bring out Haba in the mix? He also has many half centuries. There is no point talking about the records or stats, it all comes down to how is your form now!

About match winners, Anamul just won the match for Khulna siglehandedly. Mominul has been scoring consistently lately in A team and at NCL. They are definitely match winners at the FC level. Given right guidance they have potential to replicate it at Int level.
As far as Law and Ian are concerned, these coaches see potential in the likes of Anamul and Mominul, but they did not mention about Nafees and Nazim. Nazim played under Ian's coaching in DG.
So future INT or current match winners at NCL level or potential tags are coming from the coaches who saw them and actually coached them. And no, not everyone posses the same potential. I don't see Nafees or Nazim winning the matches at the NCL like Tamim or Anamul.

reyme
November 8, 2012, 07:24 PM
I wouldn't say hitting 1 century in the NCL, means scoring freely. You could term Tamim and Naeem as scoring "freely." Also it seems that your bracketing Nazim and Nafees as the same. Nafees scored a 60 in the 1st match and failed in the 2nd but didn't get a chance in the 2nd match. Nazim on the other failed to notch a 50. Also Nafees made 3 fifties in Tests in 2011 and he's hit big scores before at this level albeit, less consistently then we would have liked.

Finally your saying you want Junaid to open the innings. Don't forget he averages a 17 as opener and 32 as a #3. SN, on the other hand, averages a 27 as opener. So don't you think it's a better idea to have Nafees opening while Junaid is at #3?


Zunaid can open if Nafees and Nazim don't open, yes Zunaed is always better off at 3. I think we all saw Anamul was scoring more easily than Nayeem for sure. His last innings where rangpur got bundled out less than 100, he by himself scored 104 at almost 100 percent strike rate, compared to Nayeem at only around 30%. Anamul scored 1 century out of 2 matches he played. He scored more century than any national players or compared to any player for that matter during last season.
If you are not fluent or comfortable you can't pile up so many runs

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 07:35 PM
Zunaid can open if Nafees and Nazim don't open, yes Zunaed is always better off at 3. I think we all saw Anamul was scoring more easily than Nayeem for sure. His last innings where rangpur got bundled out less than 100, he by himself scored 104 at almost 100 percent strike rate, compared to Nayeem at only around 30%. Anamul scored 1 century out of 2 matches he played. He scored more century than any national players or compared to any player for that matter during last season.
If you are not fluent or comfortable you can't pile up so many runs

No doubt Anamul looks fluent once he gets going. Plus his temperament and conversion rate looks solid.

Remember though, the Mirpur pitch has looked very tricky for batting. Is it the right idea to debut him there? Debuting him in Khulna would make a lot more sense since that's his home ground and he's already scored a century there. So he's got the confidence in those conditions and would make better since if he plays there compared to the 1st Test. That is of ourselves if Nafees, Nazim, or Junaid fail.

Dilscoop
November 8, 2012, 08:37 PM
Zunaid can open if Nafees and Nazim don't open, yes Zunaed is always better off at 3.

If Zunaid opens the batting then I want ATMR or Ajfar to come in at 3.

Tamim
Zunaid
ATMR/Ajfar
Ajfar/Ashraful

BengaliPagol
November 8, 2012, 08:41 PM
No doubt Anamul looks fluent once he gets going. Plus his temperament and conversion rate looks solid.

No doubt about that. Almost a Michael Clarkesque type of conversion rate. But i think Anamul is very uncomfortable in the beginning period of his innings but when he gets going he scores well. He just needs to work on that beginning period so he can make much more consistent scores. Lately he has been scoring centuries or scoring less than 15 runs.

BANFAN
November 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
. Lately he has been scoring centuries or scoring less than 15 runs.

That's the fear factor. If his scoring pattern is like that in domestic, U19 and A Team level, that means, he only can score big in extremely favorable conditions & Weaker opponents. He is most likely to fail in tougher conditions and against quality opponents. Because they won't allow him to go past the initial shaky period. That's what he has shown in the tri series in Zimbabwe against a little quality opponent. So, he really needs to get rid of that problem before debut. Otherwise another premature series and he performs poor, even he will lose his confidence to play at the highest level. We really don't need to hurry him, he has time to sort out all these issues playing for the academy, A team and HP camps if available.

He is no doubt a talented player, so we should handle him with extreme care.

Tiger444
November 8, 2012, 11:33 PM
No doubt about that. Almost a Michael Clarkesque type of conversion rate. But i think Anamul is very uncomfortable in the beginning period of his innings but when he gets going he scores well. He just needs to work on that beginning period so he can make much more consistent scores. Lately he has been scoring centuries or scoring less than 15 runs.

That's a definite weakness that should be worked upon for sure
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WarWolf
November 9, 2012, 12:17 AM
Check his highest scores... against India, New Zealand... almost all of them were under a pressure situation. He is batting with the tail for all of those innings and extended the team total... that is the pressure situation for test cricket...
I don't remember him scoring good when the team needed him to perform to remain in the match. When the match is already lost, he performs. But whenever he needs to work as finisher he fails.

cricbook
November 9, 2012, 12:41 AM
To me anamul or mominil should've get chance.....instead of shaharir naffess......waste of a player. I don't think he will get a chance in xi......so, atleast any young player would enjoy that position.....play or not play..

M.H.Rubel
November 30, 2012, 04:03 PM
Most of the forum members were unhappy as Anamul was not taken in the team. After watching him today, still i don't think dropping him from test squard was not a bad idea. With this foot work its tough to survive in test cricket. Anamul need to work on his foot work.