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BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 02:58 AM
We are soon going to be fortunate enough to be the only test team in history to have two "bowlers" with a test average of over 50 and 100. Shahadat's current average is 49.79 and very soon he will reach his half century while Rubel is currently averaging 84 and if he keeps up his good work then will soon reach his hundred by the end of the 2nd test (his 14th test). Bradman who?

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 03:03 AM
Update: I am happy to tell you guys that Shahadat has managed to reach his half century within 3 balls of his new spell giving 3 fours. He now proudly averages 50 in test cricket in 33 tests.

Tiger Manc
November 13, 2012, 03:19 AM
Congrats Shahadat. Well done. You've worked really hard to achieve this milestone. It's a proud feeling having a 50+ average player in our team. It brings a tear to my eyes.

deshimon
November 13, 2012, 03:32 AM
Who's this BrianLara7? He looks like a West Indian supporter but Bangladeshi. Because he said in his first post ''We are soon going to be fortunate enough to be the only test team in history to have two "bowlers" with a test average of over 50 and 100.''

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 03:34 AM
Who's this BrianLara7? He looks like a West Indian supporter but Bangladeshi. Because he said in his first post ''We are soon going to be fortunate enough to be the only test team in history to have two "bowlers" with a test average of over 50 and 100.''

I am Bangladeshi but Lara is my favorite player ever. Asha kori apni amar kotha bujhe chen, naki west indies accent e bolbo? :ohno:

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 05:44 AM
Hopefully this is the last Test cap they get. They need to be dropped for the next test and replaced with Nazmul and Sunny.

oronnya
November 13, 2012, 05:49 AM
agei bolchhilam 2ta okejo pacer newar kono maane hoina... :( ..

simon
November 13, 2012, 06:58 AM
many of us were jumping for Rubel to come back & this is what we get :-|
can't really blame him, shows the quality of our Pacers.
WE hv good spinners to replace,like if Razzaq under performs Elias will come in his place or if Gazim fails Elias will come in.
But for our fast bowlers our options are so limited.
One mediocre fast bowler will replace another one.
And that's how it will continue.
I think we can afford to go without any pacer at all or take one pacer.

boka
November 13, 2012, 08:30 AM
many of us were jumping for rubel to come back & this is what we get :-|
i think we can afford to go without any pacer at all or take one pacer.

[বাংলা]ছোড বেলায় শুনছিলাম কেউ দেইখা শিখে কেউ ঠেইকা শিখে
দেখা যাক আমগো অবস্হাডা কি !!

সেই তখন থেইক্কা কইতাছি ভাই আমগো স্পিনার আছে ভালোই
পেসার মোটেও নাইক্কা
পেসার ছাড়া খেল্লে আমরা বরং ভালো খেলবো

বুঝিকম বইল্লা কেউ চিল্লানি-টা শুনতাছে না

এফসিতে ৬০ গড় এমন বোলার টেস্টে কেমনে সুযোগ পায় !!!!!!!
মাথাডা খারাপ হই যাইতাছে
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Rubu
November 13, 2012, 08:39 AM
Shahadat had enough time, but I am still willing to cut Rubel some slack.

Cricketpremi
November 13, 2012, 08:52 AM
I do not get why Shahadat keeps on getting selected. He is making fast bowling look as tiring as hitting a tennis ball when you are quite tired. He should cut down on the no balls and grunting as well. I think he should realize that grunting does not help a bit, infact, its bad for him because a lot of energy is wasted in making such a noise

reyme
November 13, 2012, 10:55 AM
[বাংলা]ছোড বেলায় শুনছিলাম কেউ দেইখা শিখে কেউ ঠেইকা শিখে
দেখা যাক আমগো অবস্হাডা কি !!

সেই তখন থেইক্কা কইতাছি ভাই আমগো স্পিনার আছে ভালোই
পেসার মোটেও নাইক্কা
পেসার ছাড়া খেল্লে আমরা বরং ভালো খেলবো

বুঝিকম বইল্লা কেউ চিল্লানি-টা শুনতাছে না

এফসিতে ৬০ গড় এমন বোলার টেস্টে কেমনে সুযোগ পায় !!!!!!!
মাথাডা খারাপ হই যাইতাছে
[/বাংলা]

True and Fact! I wish you were the selector or the coach. We have some idiots got selected as the selectors.

Nadim
November 13, 2012, 10:57 AM
They all pathetic! Brainless idiot, bowls with no plan. They don't even know the basics and you would expect them to take wickets???

SRK is all about his style and Grunt now. He needs to retire for Good.

Rubel: Pls stop playing Test...I know you can be a gd bowler but pls go back to NCL and come back once you can bring your FC avg down to <40. Not before that. Selectors should be blame too. Why pick him if he is not 100%?? And he completely looked out of sort.

SS
November 13, 2012, 11:07 AM
They all pathetic! Brainless idiot, bowls with no plan. They don't even know the basics and you would expect them to take wickets???

SRK is all about his style and Grunt now. He needs to retire for Good.

Rubel: Pls stop playing Test...I know you can be a gd bowler but pls go back to NCL and come back once you can bring your FC avg down to <40. Not before that. Selectors should be blame too. Why pick him if he is not 100%?? And he completely looked out of sort.

I still watch this guy bowl...I lost my emotions as so many years I am saying the same but nothing is happening..nobody cares when I said these pathetic idiot bowlers think they are something...Shahadat had potential but he probably lacks professionalism, not extra hard worker to lead the pace dept, and probably has Sir like mindset...still knowing this fact for over several years BCB failed to develop a good replacement...and Rubel if you are not fit why play...things are going so horrible with team selection, overal players' forms and work ethics, national leagues, management...I think all I now do is to totally give up and just visit BC forum to talk with BC ppl, nothing else...totally frustrated with BD cricket

Equinox
November 13, 2012, 11:22 AM
Shahadat had enough time, but I am still willing to cut Rubel some slack.
Yes, sure thing. Let's wait till his average hits 100.

Nadim
November 13, 2012, 11:22 AM
Banglar Bradman(s):D:fire::head::facepalm:

Shahdat: in his last 10 Test matches, picked ONLY 10 wickets; Avg:101.9...Bradman Who:D

Rubel(im a big fan of him, but can't take it any more, kill me!): in his last 8 test matches, he got ONLY 8 wickets; Average: 109...Even Better:fire: His career avg is 85+ :head:

Holden
November 13, 2012, 11:22 AM
Rubel is a good bowler in limited overs cricket but in Test cricket he hasn't looked capable even when fully fit so why he is selected when coming off a long lay-off, I will never know.
Nazmul Hossain may not have pace but he isn't that much slower than Shahadat but he has much more control, and with the new ball he is capable of taking wickets and providing pressure by not giving easy runs to help his bowling partner, just look at the last test match he played:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-pakistan-2011/engine/match/538073.html

his match figures were:

29 Overs, 6 Maidens, 80 Run, 3 Wickets, 2.75 Economy, 26.6 Ave, 58.0 SR

All 3 wickets were with the new ball. Here is the commentary from cricinfo of those wickets: http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-pakistan-2011/engine/match/538073.html?innings=2;page=1;view=commentary

A bowling change, Nazmul Hossain will bowl now.
4.1
Nazmul Hossain to Mohammad Hafeez, OUT, gets a wicket off his first ball in Test cricket in seven years, the faintest of nicks to the keeper, good length outside off, just a hint of away movement, Hafeez got forward and played at it and edged it to the keeper
Mohammad Hafeez c †Mushfiqur Rahim b Nazmul Hossain 14 (22m 17b 3x4 0x6) SR: 82.35

His first ball after a 7 year gap from Test cricket produces a wicket!

83.1
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, no run, beaten outside off. Nazmul nips this one away from Umar off the seam - this looks like it could be a really good spell. Umar was sucked into driving into the off side, but the ball did too much for him.
83.2
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, no run, keeps it outside off, Umar leaves.
83.3
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, OUT, edged, and taken! Well bowled Nazmul, he's worked Umar over with his relentlessness. A spark of excellence this from Bangladesh. Pitched well up on middle and off, once again lands on the threadwork and angles across sharply. Umar was forward and had to play at it. He got a low outside edge that shot across towards second slip, who held on at shin height. Very well taken.
Taufeeq Umar c Shahriar Nafees b Nazmul Hossain 130 (361m 256b 16x4 0x6) SR: 50.78

Another wicket this time with the second new ball, see how he makes the Pakistani batsmen play and miss.

6.2
Nazmul Hossain to Taufeeq Umar, OUT, a wicket! Taufeeq was looking to up the tempo as Pakistan race against the light, he charges out and miscues an attempted big hit to midwicket, Taufeeq's stay ends early, the bat turns in his hand as he plays that shot, that stroke was prompted by a string of 24 dot balls

Another wicket in the second innings with the new ball.

All these were wickets were genuine batsmen not tail-enders which makes his performance even more impressive.
Now compare that to what Rubel and Shahadat offer, this should be a no brainer, but apparently not to our selectors, they prefer Rubel and Shahadat's "lethal" pace.
But the selectors aren't alone in their "thinking" as some people on this forum claim that line and length doesn't create wickets, and that Shahadat is more likely to take wickets with his short balls that once in a blue moon aren't dispatched by the batsmen, like yesterday.

Rubu
November 13, 2012, 11:24 AM
Yes, sure thing. Let's wait till his average hits 100.
No but what's the plan?

He was brought in because someone before him 'needed the replacement'. What is the point of just running the circle?

Cricketpremi
November 13, 2012, 11:26 AM
its mind-numbing to see players like shahadat and rubel play ahead of nazmul. Nazmul has been playing for a long time and even with the limited oppurtunity he got, why is he overlooked?

RB_Cricket
November 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
Well Done Boys, Next time, SRK should use blindfold during bowling ( Mulla already using invisible one in fielding) , Have no idea where's he bowling, whats the point of bowl with your eye open !! And, Rubel simply needed more time to gain his full fitness to bowl in a test

NoName
November 13, 2012, 12:18 PM
:floor::floor:.....:lol::lol:......:facepalm:

Jadukor
November 13, 2012, 12:20 PM
Can't bowl decent line or length, can't use the new ball, bowls no balls far too frequently, can't field. bowled crap throughout the tournament and in the end lost us a the only trophy we ever came close to winning with a nightmarish last over.

everyone knows who i am talking about except the selectors

Cricketpremi
November 13, 2012, 12:53 PM
Can't bowl decent line or length, can't use the new ball, bowls no balls far too frequently, can't field. bowled crap throughout the tournament and in the end lost us a the only trophy we ever came close to winning with a nightmarish last over.

everyone knows who i am talking about except the selectors

the shameful thing is not why shahadat hossain is being picked, the big question is, why our selectors have no other options? We have had plenty of So-called talents, none of them are in the picture now(robiul, mahbubul alam robin). Guys like shafiul and rubel where crap anyway

mufi_02
November 13, 2012, 01:08 PM
Je jai bolen na keno, Shahadat er dance ta kintu bhaloi chilo. Ar grunt tao bhalo hocche idaning. Eishob dance/grunt o practice korte hoy, bowling practice korar time koi.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 01:14 PM
Hopefully this is the last Test cap they get. They need to be dropped for the next test and replaced with Nazmul and Sunny.

This is getting ridiculous now, unless Nazmul has some kind of inability to play test cricket that we don't know about there is no reason why likes of Shahadat and Rubel are playing ahead of him. This guy has a FC average of 27 which is years ahead of Rubel (60 avg). I would rather go with no pacers than these guys.

AsifTheManRahman
November 13, 2012, 01:15 PM
Arey amader selectorra eto kisu bujhe na. Ora boro hoise Saiful Islam/Anisur Rahman er loppa half volley pitaite jeye out howe...ora pace bowling er ki bujhbe.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 01:21 PM
Arey amader selectorra eto kisu bujhe na. Ora boro hoise Saiful Islam/Anisur Rahman er loppa half volley pitaite jeye out howe...ora pace bowling er ki bujhbe.

Do they get paid or is it a voluntary job (like India used to get)? They need to be fired ASAP. Players who failed regularly against Uganda and Namibia shouldn't be selecting a test team.

simon
November 13, 2012, 01:28 PM
[বাংলা]ছোড বেলায় শুনছিলাম কেউ দেইখা শিখে কেউ ঠেইকা শিখে
দেখা যাক আমগো অবস্হাডা কি !!

সেই তখন থেইক্কা কইতাছি ভাই আমগো স্পিনার আছে ভালোই
পেসার মোটেও নাইক্কা
পেসার ছাড়া খেল্লে আমরা বরং ভালো খেলবো

বুঝিকম বইল্লা কেউ চিল্লানি-টা শুনতাছে না

এফসিতে ৬০ গড় এমন বোলার টেস্টে কেমনে সুযোগ পায় !!!!!!!
মাথাডা খারাপ হই যাইতাছে
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আমগো সিলেচ্টার রা যদি চাল্লু না হওয়া আপনারা লাহান বোকা হইতো তাইলে কাম হওয়া যাইত
আমি কই কি এই দুইটা বলদ রে বাইর কইরা দিয়া রাজ রাজ্জাক আর ইলিয়াস কাঞ্চন রে কাম এ লাগায়া দেয়া উচিত
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AsifTheManRahman
November 13, 2012, 01:45 PM
Do they get paid or is it a voluntary job (like India used to get)? They need to be fired ASAP. Players who failed regularly against Uganda and Namibia shouldn't be selecting a test team.
They're paid a salary and are contracted by the BCB.

BANFAN
November 13, 2012, 03:07 PM
Shahdat ekta wicket to nise...amader all rounder Vice Captain ki udhdhar korse? For whom we could not take Sunny in the team? 2 wickets for sunny would have virtually closed WI run fest.

deshimon
November 13, 2012, 03:37 PM
We actually don't have a good option to select pacers. Our all pacers are almost same. Until we produce quality pacers, we have nothing but regret.

mufi_02
November 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
https://www.lords.org/history/honours-boards/bowling-visitors,84,AR.html

http://i46.tinypic.com/10gd7p5.jpg

Ar ki kichu bolte hobe?

BANFAN
November 13, 2012, 04:19 PM
Abar onno dikey dekhi, Shammer Gaan Gan.... tar maney ki ekdin Abul o?? :)

mufi_02
November 13, 2012, 04:31 PM
Abar onno dikey dekhi, Shammer Gaan Gan.... tar maney ki ekdin Abul o?? :)

Eita 5 wickets board. I have high expectation for Abul. They have another board for 10 wickets haul. That's where Abul belongs.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 04:33 PM
https://www.lords.org/history/honours-boards/bowling-visitors,84,AR.html

http://i46.tinypic.com/10gd7p5.jpg

Ar ki kichu bolte hobe?

Every player has 1 or 2 good performances when they have played over 30 tests. His average is the true indication of his performance and he averages over 50.

Zeeshan
November 13, 2012, 04:48 PM
Mufi, He has a hat-trick too, non? Not sure how he pulled that off against Zimbabwe, but that doesn't excuse a bowler - any bowler- a terrible performance in a match.

Rubel just mirrors him like Gazi mirrors Sakib. Only in the latter case, the pupil is 'bout to surpass the master.

Dilscoop
November 13, 2012, 05:53 PM
Lets see which of these to masterclass get to 100 first. My money is on SRK. But that mullet's got a better SR.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 07:05 PM
Can't believe I was once Rajib's biggest fan.

Pace bowling isn't easy. You have to either have crazy innate talent (Amir, Asif, Cummins, Pattinson) or develop incredible skills (Vaas, Zaheer) to even be decent let alone good or even great. I'm not asking for that. I just expect BD pacers to at least average 40, not 80 and 100.

If the WI could play 4 pacers, why can't play 4 spinners. At least they will create the odd chance and bring the RR down and won't get tired from bowling long spells.

reyme
November 13, 2012, 07:32 PM
If the WI could play 4 pacers, why can't play 4 spinners. At least they will create the odd chance and bring the RR down and won't get tired from bowling long spells.

Finally someone understands me!!!

AsifTheManRahman
November 13, 2012, 07:54 PM
I just expect BD pacers to at least average 40, not 80 and 100.

LOL, that coming from a man who once said we'd gain nothing if our pacers were as good as India's.

Sohel
November 13, 2012, 08:15 PM
We're playing the longest version here guys. This format is the true test of a cricketers skill, temperament and character in a maximum of 15 sessions of cricket spread over 5 days. Performance in particular sessions or days doesn't make someone a hero nor a zero. It is simply too early to either deify or vilify anyone after just a single day of test cricket.

That being said, The Rajib has totally lost it, excluding his first 5-6 overs with the new ball, and RBX obviously needs more time to get his rhythm back, and a proactive coach like Ian Pont in his corner to do his best. Maybe we can simply outsource our pace bowling and some of the spin bowling as well. Almost any FC performer from India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan will do. A couple of quickies from Afghanistan may also be in contention.

Zeeshan
November 13, 2012, 09:00 PM
the rubel, rajib er mastanir din i aaaj. ki r korben?

mij
November 13, 2012, 09:03 PM
Bangladesh fast bowler, no line, no length, no swing, no cutter, no yorker cant even bowl fast why we call them pace bowler?

oronnya
November 13, 2012, 09:15 PM
We're playing the longest version here guys. This format is the true test of a cricketers skill, temperament and character in a maximum of 15 sessions of cricket spread over 5 days. Performances in a particular sessions or days make someone neither a hero nor a zero. It is simply too early to either deify or vilify anyone after just a single day of test cricket.

That being said, The Rajib has totally lost it, excluding his first 5-6 overs with the new ball, and RBX obviously needs more time to get his rhythm back, and a proactive coach like Ian Pont in his corner to do his best. Maybe we can simply outsource our pace bowling and some of the spin bowling as well. Almost any FC performer from India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan will do. A couple of quickies from Afghanistan may also be in contention.

I think we should seriously consider this option now as it's evident that BD doesn't have the ability to produce a decent pacer !!!

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 09:32 PM
LOL, that coming from a man who once said we'd gain nothing if our pacers were as good as India's.

If I said nothing in absolute terms, let me now clarify and say "nothing [worthwhile]". I don't think they're 0-8 record is much better than our 0-8 record. Do you? They might win handsomely at home, but thats assuming that Nazimuddin is as good Gauti and Naeem is as good as Kohli. Ashraful was as good as SRT and Rajin/Bashar was as good as Dravid.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advan ced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;oppos ition=3;orderby=bowling_average;spanmin1=15+Mar+20 00;spanval1=span;team=25;team=6;template=results;t ype=bowling

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 09:47 PM
We're playing the longest version here guys. This format is the true test of a cricketers skill, temperament and character in a maximum of 15 sessions of cricket spread over 5 days. Performance in a particular sessions or days doesn't make someone a hero nor a zero. It is simply too early to either deify or vilify anyone after just a single day of test cricket.

That being said, The Rajib has totally lost it, excluding his first 5-6 overs with the new ball, and RBX obviously needs more time to get his rhythm back, and a proactive coach like Ian Pont in his corner to do his best. Maybe we can simply outsource our pace bowling and some of the spin bowling as well. Almost any FC performer from India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan will do. A couple of quickies from Afghanistan may also be in contention.

Arey bhai why go to India/SL/Afghanistan? Sure Hamid Hassan is better than the Hossain twain, but right in Bangladesh are at least 4-5 FC pacers who couldn't do any worse than RBX and SRK. Nazmul, Shafiul, Al Amin, Talha, and Tapash. Would any of them do worse?

Rubel and Rajib go for over 4 an over in every innings in the NCL. Of course they'll go for 5 an over on a patta against Test level bats! Assuming the above mentioned bowlers aren't any more potent than the current guys, a collective economy rate of even a moderately expensive 3.5 an over would shave 30-40 runs off the total so that you're looking at 321-4...instead of 361.

BrianLara7
November 13, 2012, 09:50 PM
We're playing the longest version here guys. This format is the true test of a cricketers skill, temperament and character in a maximum of 15 sessions of cricket spread over 5 days. Performance in a particular sessions or days doesn't make someone a hero nor a zero. It is simply too early to either deify or vilify anyone after just a single day of test cricket.

That being said, The Rajib has totally lost it, excluding his first 5-6 overs with the new ball, and RBX obviously needs more time to get his rhythm back, and a proactive coach like Ian Pont in his corner to do his best. Maybe we can simply outsource our pace bowling and some of the spin bowling as well. Almost any FC performer from India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan will do. A couple of quickies from Afghanistan may also be in contention.

Shahadat has achieved his hard earned average of 50 after 33 tests. Rubel has gotten mighty close to the 100 mark in just his 13th test. This thread is about the continuation of their failures that they have reached this position.

Antora
November 13, 2012, 09:57 PM
wow... great milestones!

Sohel
November 13, 2012, 09:58 PM
Arey bhai why go to India/SL/Afghanistan? Sure Hamid Hassan is better than the Hossain twain, but right in Bangladesh are at least 4-5 FC pacers who couldn't do any worse than RBX and SRK. Nazmul, Shafiul, Al Amin, Talha, and Tapash. Would any of them do worse?

Not sure they'll do any better.

al Furqaan
November 13, 2012, 11:33 PM
Not sure they'll do any better.

You can't do any worse than averaging 80 and SR of 120. Even Ashraful's seam-ups could do that!

Nadim
November 14, 2012, 02:11 AM
Al_f bhai, have you seen talha recently? No point talking about him. Gained weight a lot and can barely bowl 125kph+. Played couple of games in BPL so I know it.
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Maysun
November 14, 2012, 03:12 AM
I think the ICC should seriously consider having something like the Golden Raspberry Award!

6/7 of our players would win without any contest! :D

cricman
November 14, 2012, 03:16 AM
Tapash took 6fer in his last innings, call him up

Nadim
November 14, 2012, 06:11 AM
I wish we had our ex bowling coach with us. Junaid could have been a very useful Phast bowler by now