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shuziburo
January 26, 2013, 08:38 AM
I am all for constructive criticisms, but some of the critics of Bangladesh cricket seem to have it in for Bangladesh. Admittedly, Bangladesh's success has been few and far between in tests since the test status. However, it is in like with most other countries that got the status before (except maybe SL). Of all the critics, I think Geoff "I cannot hit" Boycott is the detractor-in-Chief.

Who else can you think of?

WarWolf
January 26, 2013, 08:46 AM
I really don't bother to think about Boycott. I have boycotted him a long ago. :)

shuziburo
January 26, 2013, 10:05 AM
I think his mother (who could bat better than all our batsmen) might have been tempted to boycott him.

shuziburo
January 26, 2013, 10:07 AM
By the way, he appears to dis all subcontinental teams, given a chance. A 'very average' Team India lucky to have MS Dhoni, says Geoffrey Boycott (http://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-england-2012/news/item/202434-a-very-average-team-india-lucky-to-have-ms-dhoni-says-geoffrey-boycott). But, he definitely has special love for us.

Zunaid
January 26, 2013, 10:40 AM
Boycott is chuna puti to Scyld Barrie.

shuziburo
January 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
Ian Bishop also does not favor BD, but I find him less biased than the others.

Spiderman
January 26, 2013, 12:00 PM
Most Cricket experts former players, sporting journalists whatever have biased views towards Bangladesh Cricket.

jeesh
January 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
You know all these critics are not wrong. Its been 12 years since we got our test status, and sadly we havent progressed much. We may have had world class coaches, but did we ever listen to them? Our cricket has always been at the mercy of politicans, businessmen who has no knowledge of the game. And any role or association they have with BCB is for their ego rather than the good of the game. No visionary leadership, no long term strategic plan, nothing. Every new person will come with his own agenda and undo predecessors work. We hire CEO's, but the president interferes with all affairs including selection. Story of our cricket!

But on a positive note, 2012 has probably been one of our best years. Impact of BPL is clearly visible. BCB have also understood the importance of first class cricket. Now lets hope we get hold of a good head coach to help us improve in 2013.

Btw no matter what Syd Barret and Boycott say, Bangladesh will continue to play test cricket. Cricket is struggling, it cannot compete with other mainstream sports. Removing a country with one of the largest fan bases is not going to do any good to the game. So as they say in Sri Lanka they can go fly a kite.

BANFAN
January 26, 2013, 12:39 PM
?........

Btw no matter what Syd Barret and Boycott say, Bangladesh will continue to play test cricket. Cricket is struggling, it cannot compete with other mainstream sports. Removing a country with one of the largest fan bases is not going to do any good to the game. So as they say in Sri Lanka they can go fly a kite.

Is this really true? If fans don't afford to buy a ticket worth $2.5-5 for a Match... Should we count that fan base ? I mean does that fan base really really have any impact on the game?

See what's happening with the fan base in BPL? And that seems to be the only plus point we tend to boast of/exploit in our fav...i don't find that justified.

There is no shortcut to playing good cricket, for the cricket to survive in BD. everything else is quiet irrelevant at this point.

simon
January 26, 2013, 12:58 PM
Shamim fuppa

shuziburo
January 26, 2013, 03:47 PM
The story is not too much different anywhere in the subcontinent. If the ticket prices are not affordable to students, it is difficult to fill the stands on weekdays. Organizers can charge a premium for high-priced seats, but the cheapest seats have to be cheap. It would be interesting to know the size of Bangladesh's "cricket economy" in relation to the other cricket nations.

Is this really true? If fans don't afford to buy a ticket worth $2.5-5 for a Match... Should we count that fan base ? I mean does that fan base really really have any impact on the game?

See what's happening with the fan base in BPL? And that seems to be the only plus point we tend to boast of/exploit in our fav...i don't find that justified.

There is no shortcut to playing good cricket, for the cricket to survive in BD. everything else is quiet irrelevant at this point.

cricheart
January 26, 2013, 04:10 PM
Sanjay Manjrekar

BANFAN
January 26, 2013, 04:32 PM
The story is not too much different anywhere in the subcontinent. If the ticket prices are not affordable to students, it is difficult to fill the stands on weekdays. Organizers can charge a premium for high-priced seats, but the cheapest seats have to be cheap. It would be interesting to know the size of Bangladesh's "cricket economy" in relation to the other cricket nations.

Even if I accept that for the sake of it, then thats not a unique USP to keep us in elite group. It's over 12 years and high time that we justify being a part of it through our cricket, rather than such irrelevant justifications.....

Zeeshan
January 26, 2013, 09:27 PM
Boycott is chuna puti to Scyld Barrie.

It's pronounced Shild Berry boss. Not Scylde as in Scythe. :facepalm:

Zunaid
January 26, 2013, 09:54 PM
It's pronounced Shild Berry boss. Not Scylde as in Scythe. :facepalm:

WTF? Who gives a sh*t about how the f* he pronounces his name? I am not teaching anyone to pronounce the gits name. I am just writing the frigging name. I now regret adding the facepalm icon and am considering a fist in your face icon.

Zeeshan
January 26, 2013, 09:56 PM
Obviously I was trolloping (trolling+pulling) your legs. :)

Zunaid
January 26, 2013, 09:59 PM
Obviously I was trolloping (trolling+pulling) your legs. :)

At least be smart about it. So are you calling yourself a strumpet (by your use of the word Trollope)?

Zeeshan
January 26, 2013, 10:04 PM
At least be smart about it. So are you calling yourself a strumpet (by your use of the word Trollope)?

On the contrary I obviously had him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Trollope) in mind. I merely verbed him out...

jeesh
January 26, 2013, 10:15 PM
Even if I accept that for the sake of it, then thats not a unique USP to keep us in elite group. It's over 12 years and high time that we justify being a part of it through our cricket, rather than such irrelevant justifications.....
Buddy, interest in cricket is dwindling. Today there is a lot of EPL craze in Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan which wasnt there 5-7 years ago. And this will continue to grow. Kids are no longer growing up only wanting to be the next Tendulkar-there is severe competition from other sports. T20 sort of revived the game but the longer versions are still under risk.

Dont judge by the number of people at the stadium solely. How many people are watching on their television screens. How many people are reading newspaper, going to cricket websites. How many kids are willing to play the sport. It all counts. You cant knock out Bangladesh without taking a big hit at the sport. Which is why ICC will think twice

But you are absolutely right, we cant rest with this in mind. We have to improve and silence the critics. But after a long time we pushed two test matches to Day 5 one of which we could have won. Quite an improvement from the days where it was all over on Day 3. The more competitive domestic cricket we play the better we ll get.

shuziburo
January 27, 2013, 07:36 AM
Even if I accept that for the sake of it, then thats not a unique USP to keep us in elite group. It's over 12 years and high time that we justify being a part of it through our cricket, rather than such irrelevant justifications.....

ICC has been pushing for a two-tier test system anyway. What I don't want to see is a system in which there is no promotion and relegation. They should rank the teams and at the end of the year, promote two teams from tier 2 and demote two from tier 1.

Fazal
January 28, 2013, 02:13 PM
Don't know about Bangladesh Cricket, but the biggest detractors of BPL2?

Its the women owners. First Sylhet and now today Rajshahi (representing the woner) . Which team will be next? DG or CG?

The other distraction is ofcourse Sheena with her sharee.

shuziburo
January 28, 2013, 03:13 PM
Don't know about Bangladesh Cricket, but the biggest detractors of BPL2?

Its the women owners. First Sylhet and now today Rajshahi (representing the woner) . Which team will be next? DG or CG?

The other distraction is ofcourse Sheena with her sharee.

I meant detractor, but if you mean distractor, it has to be Kanta. Not that we don't appreciate her lucky charm toward BD wins. :-)

jeesh
January 29, 2013, 02:32 AM
Lol @ the sheena joke.

Two tier system or one tier system we should refrain from playing higher ranked teams particularly away from home. Play more home matches, invite New Zealand, West Indies, Zimbabwe etc. Make wicked wickets which suit our spinners. This way we can be competitive and silence our critics. There will always be people who will see then how will our guys learn if they dont play away from home in Australia or South Africa or England. Truth is we dont learn from any of these tours. We lose within 3-4 days and fuel ideas for Syd Barret and Geoffrey Boycott. Just because Ashraful plays in Lords doesnt make him a better batsman. Until we are a better team we should be very conservative about who we play and where we play.

BengaliPagol
January 29, 2013, 03:00 AM
Most bd batsmen and bowlers will struggle on green/fast pitches so the only way to solve this problem without getting humiliated is to resign our test status and go away on unofficial test tours in Aus and Eng and versue the state teams there to really get a feel for those pitches and then 2 years later regain our test status and become heavyweights in the test arena.

Spiderman
January 29, 2013, 05:53 AM
We are struggling in Test Cricket simply because 1 we don't take our first class structure seriously. 2 we don't play regular test matches and have long gaps. 3 we do not alter and mix some of our Cricket pitches some slow and low and others fast and bouncy. 4 we don't have good pacers and our batsman don't get to face them as much especially quality ones. So we can see there are a few problems with Bangladesh in the long form but no doubt we are improving and that's the best way to go about it right now.

Tier systems won't work because 1 there are not enough teams playing at the highest level and 2 money talks so it won't happen and such a system should've happened at least 30 years ago. Stripping Bangladesh of test status will never happen or suspending our status like Zimbabwe won't change anything because we don't play as much tests compared to the big teams so no harm from us anyway.

Also do not forget that this current Bangladesh team is completely new compared to the old Bangladesh team between 00-05 so the stats can be a bit manipulating. The players back then no disrespect most of them were amateurish and had other professions.

When we tour Sri Lanka and can somehow make an impressive showing even win it then we can safely say this Bangladesh team is going in the right direction for once or finally :)

beshideshi
January 29, 2013, 06:56 AM
I honestly do not think we are as bad in tests as many make it out to be. Have a look at NZ in South Africa, or India at home, or look at what happens to WI in Australia. Getting good in tests take time. And we simply have not had the games to good at tests.

The fact that we play very few longer version cricket growing up, coupled with the lack of first class games means that the only way we will get better at tests, is by playing more tests. And we have played very few and far between in the past 3-4 years. Even then, we have been playing much better, taking loads of games to the 5th day and soon we will be drawing games as well. I don't think it's too much of a worry.

And no need to worry about the BPL crowds much. Most T20 games in England struggle to make full house, Big bash had half filled stadiums throughout the tournaments. Simply put, cricket at domestic level is not that big a market. However, put Bangladesh team to play and charge whatever price, grounds will mostly be full in ODI/T20s. Also, as someone pointed out, the timing of the games are important as well, no one will come to watch a day game on a tuesday. It's simple demand and supply.

jeesh
January 29, 2013, 08:57 AM
You are right beshideshi. But when New Zealand gets bundled out for 50-60 runs no one will say anything, when we do we deserve to be kicked out. Its almost like foreign media, certain cricket commentators are programmed to criticize us. We have to play a lot of test cricket to learn, but we need to be selective about who we play and where we play. Now that we played West Indies, lets invite New Zealand and Zimbabwe.

mufi_02
January 29, 2013, 09:50 AM
I think one of the Chappell brothers said something very negative about BD cricket. I am not sure though.

shuziburo
January 29, 2013, 11:22 AM
I think one of the Chappell brothers said something very negative about BD cricket. I am not sure though.

In my experience, Ian Chappell generally is fair. Thus, I'll be surprised if it is him.

mufi_02
January 29, 2013, 11:43 AM
In my experience, Ian Chappell generally is fair. Thus, I'll be surprised if it is him.

A little BC search did the trick. He seems worse than Boycott.

Ian Chappell criticises Bangladesh's Test Status Yet again
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=37799

Ian Chappell called Bangladesh a spineless (মেরুদন্ডহীন) Team
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=30028

Ian Chappell, Australia and no Bangladesh, Kenya or Zimbabwe
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21626

Who's the ICC fooling?-Ian Chappell
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=37798

shuziburo
January 29, 2013, 11:49 AM
NZ almost always has been the weakest of the non-subcontinental teams. However, NZ appears 4 times, once this month! However, I don't remember any "expert" calling for their demotion. I think we need to press ICC for more matches, evenly distributed between strong and weaker opponents.

You are right beshideshi. But when New Zealand gets bundled out for 50-60 runs no one will say anything, when we do we deserve to be kicked out. Its almost like foreign media, certain cricket commentators are programmed to criticize us. We have to play a lot of test cricket to learn, but we need to be selective about who we play and where we play. Now that we played West Indies, lets invite New Zealand and Zimbabwe.

Beamer
January 29, 2013, 12:12 PM
Ramiz Raja is one that find extremely irritating. He has this penchant for dissing our cricket at every turn. He is the biggest nobody in cricket who is also the biggest detractor.

beshideshi
January 29, 2013, 05:55 PM
You are right beshideshi. But when New Zealand gets bundled out for 50-60 runs no one will say anything, when we do we deserve to be kicked out. Its almost like foreign media, certain cricket commentators are programmed to criticize us. We have to play a lot of test cricket to learn, but we need to be selective about who we play and where we play. Now that we played West Indies, lets invite New Zealand and Zimbabwe.

Yeah, if Bangladesh got bundled for 60, everyone would be up ours and saying we need immediate demotion. NZ does it, no one gives a ****.

and it's true that we should play teams around us and in conditions that will not expose us hopelessly. As you said, it's a good time to play WI/NZ/ZIM. Invite teams like Sri Lanka, Pakistan at home. Get a few good results going, then go overseas and play these teams, and eventually, in 10ish years, go to Australia and challenge them for a series.

Spiderman
January 29, 2013, 06:24 PM
ha! we can't even beat Pakistan so no point in inviting them. Can't blame them for some reason as we were approaching a 12th year anniversary on Test Cricket, our board celebrated by having a party with cake but for what? to lose every test match? its true whether we like it or not that Bangladesh should not be playing Test Cricket and we have to turn results around now its been 13 years and counting.