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jeesh
February 8, 2013, 04:59 AM
After dominating the best all rounder title for a while Shakib might finally have challengers. And one major challenger could be Ravindra Jadeja. Jadeja is obviously the better batsmen-more technically gifted, has all the shots in the book. Shakib was probably ahead because of his bowling. But now that seems to have changed. Not only has Shakibs performance declined with the ball, Jadeja has improved significantly as spinner. He's no longer a part time spinner like Yuvraj or Yusuf Pathan. Jadeja is capable of bowling 10 overs, and has got a lot more in his bowling than just line and length. Jadeja is untested in Test, but has had a great deal of success in FC, ODI's, List A, T20 as a bowler.

Jadeja's only enemy are probably the fans (Who have too much expectation), competition for a place, and the pressure he is always under to perform to keep his place.

But if India continues to give him opportunities, he could end up a world class all rounder. Time to wake up Mr. Shakib. Honeymoons over

Abid_Khan
February 8, 2013, 05:42 AM
Being capable bowling 10overs and being one of the best at bowling 10 overs are quite different my friend.
He's been bowling well as of late but you cannot compare him to Al Hasan yet. Anyone can have a good string of performances

Miraz
February 8, 2013, 05:42 AM
It is still early days for Jadeja. He is not half as consistent as Shakib. I'll wait for another year before starting to compare him with Shakib who is performing consistently for the last 4-5 years.

ahnaf
February 8, 2013, 06:05 AM
You are comparing shakib with a guy who yet to become a regular player in his team?? Nice try..
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ms01
February 8, 2013, 06:43 AM
Simple answer, Yes. I think he has the quality to become a Good-All rounder. Can Jadeja out-perform Shakib at the moment, No. It all depends on time and consistency. He has a lot of expectation to perform as all-rounder in Indian team, needs to live up.

Bonglababu
February 8, 2013, 06:44 AM
To be frank, the answer is a big fat NO. Jadeja has so far being amassing IPL buck$ and garnering sporadic success in the international level specially IN the subcontinent. He has got a long way to prove himself of a versatile performer consistently at home and abroad.

jeesh
February 8, 2013, 10:20 AM
Agree early days and has a lot to prove. But but unbiased-he's not far behind in terms of ability and performance. The ICC rankings also reflect that. In fact Jadeja is ahead in ODI bowling rankings. Whether he can keep up the performance will be the test. Too often these guys get TV, advertisement, sponsorship deals and lose their way.

Shakib needs to pick up though. Particularly with the ball. Sths troubling him, either his knee, fatigue, too much of T20 or sth. Needs to be more attacking (Like he was when he started), needs to improve on his stock of deliveries.

Maysun
February 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jadeja has impressed off late. I will wait for a few more tours.

NoName
February 8, 2013, 01:03 PM
I will cry if it does happen.

prtikul
February 12, 2013, 08:03 AM
Sir Ravindra Jadeja is one of the worst Indian batsman that I have seen in last 10 years, Yes he is good bowler in Indian conditions but I don't want him to any where near Indian squad in 2015 wc, Pretty much useless in those conditions.

Shakib batsman>>>>>>Jadeja


Shakib bowler>= Jadeja

Jadukor
February 12, 2013, 08:18 AM
A laughable comparison. Shakib is miles ahead in every department. Jadeja has ZERO test credentials either as a batsman or a bowler. Jadeja also has zero centuries in international games and zero 5fers. It's ridiculous to even compare the two players

AsifTheManRahman
February 12, 2013, 08:41 AM
LOL, koi Agartola r koi bichanar tola.

Leafs PWN
February 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Sir Ravindra Jadeja is one of the worst Indian batsman that I have seen in last 10 years, Yes he is good bowler in Indian conditions but I don't want him to any where near Indian squad in 2015 wc, Pretty much useless in those conditions.

Shakib batsman>>>>>>Jadeja


Shakib bowler>= Jadeja

Shakib's bowling is definitely >> Jadeja's bowling

Maple1900
February 12, 2013, 04:32 PM
Who is Jadeja! I knew one who took money from bookie.:p

jeesh
February 13, 2013, 03:15 AM
A laughable comparison. Shakib is miles ahead in every department. Jadeja has ZERO test credentials either as a batsman or a bowler. Jadeja also has zero centuries in international games and zero 5fers. It's ridiculous to even compare the two players
Keep an eye on the ICC player rankings. It might not seem ridiculous after a while

Jadukor
February 13, 2013, 10:25 AM
Keep an eye on the ICC player rankings. It might not seem ridiculous after a while
Don't really care about ICC rankings. If Jadeja gets to no 1 this year then credit to him. It won't make him Sobers, Kallis or Shakib. Weren't we above Australia after beating Ireland in T-20 rankings? The points accumulate as you play more. India plays a lot more than BD at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if Rohit Sharma also gain more accumulated bowling points than Shakib since 2013 is a pretty barren FTP for BD.

My point is Shakib has credentials as a fine Test cricketer. He is off the boil and missed a few series due to injuries. Soon He will bounce back. Jadeja might be a promising young player but he has played only 1 test match so it will be a long while before i will draw any comparison between them.

betaar
February 21, 2013, 11:57 PM
Don't really care about ICC rankings. If Jadeja gets to no 1 this year then credit to him. It won't make him Sobers, Kallis or Shakib.

Isn't that, not caring about ICC ranking, most non-BD people say when they see Shak as the best all rounder according to ICC ranking?

And putting Shak along the same line with Sobers and Kallis is as early a comparison as OP's attempt in comparing him with Jadeja. :facepalm:

al Furqaan
February 22, 2013, 12:55 AM
Shakib is a damn good batsman. Damn good because he doesn't rely on brute power to maintain a high strike rate. That is skill. Sure Jadeja might have better technique, but I'm sure most turds have better technique than Shakib. :p

Jadukor
February 22, 2013, 02:56 AM
Isn't that, not caring about ICC ranking, most non-BD people say when they see Shak as the best all rounder according to ICC ranking?

And putting Shak along the same line with Sobers and Kallis is as early a comparison as OP's attempt in comparing him with Jadeja. :facepalm:

you assume too much. I didn't compare Shakib with Sobers or Kallis... I said Sobers, Kallis or Shakib as i see their greatness/ranking in that particular order.

Rifat
February 22, 2013, 03:44 AM
Shakib is a damn good batsman. Damn good because he doesn't rely on brute power to maintain a high strike rate. That is skill. Sure Jadeja might have better technique, but I'm sure most turds have better technique than Shakib. :p

Shakib uses his cricketing intelligence to easily find gaps to milk singles and twos. He always knows his field settings, very observant of him. That's the secret behind his high strike rate. Of course, by playing international cricket over such a long period of time, he has figured out when and how to hit boundaries. Brain Freezes are rare in his case.


I rate Ravichandran Ashwin higher than Jadeja.

simon
February 22, 2013, 12:55 PM
Shakib uses his cricketing intelligence to easily find gaps to milk singles and twos. He always knows his field settings, very observant of him. That's the secret behind his high strike rate. Of course, by playing international cricket over such a long period of time, he has figured out when and how to hit boundaries. Brain Freezes are rare in his case.


I rate Ravichandran Ashwin higher than Jadeja.

very much agreed to yr post specially the bold part, Ashwin just took 6 wickets today, he can surely bat.
But in ODIs Ashwin or Jadeja won't even get to bat much unlike Sakib whereas in Test as India play way too many tests than us Ashwin might come close to Sakib in the AR ranking.

Nadim
March 2, 2013, 05:52 AM
Jadeja to Oz der kheye fello. Number une after this series!!!!

jeesh
March 5, 2013, 02:19 AM
India is the last team i would support in cricket. But i admire cricket talent no matter where they are from. Jadeja seems like a massive talent. If selectors keep giving him opportunities he ll definitely rise to the top. India has been looking for a genuine all rounder for a long time. Seems like they have found someone.

prtikul
March 6, 2013, 02:02 AM
India is the last team i would support in cricket. But i admire cricket talent no matter where they are from. Jadeja seems like a massive talent. If selectors keep giving him opportunities he ll definitely rise to the top. India has been looking for a genuine all rounder for a long time. Seems like they have found someone.

I won't rate Jadea as a genuine all rounder in tests. He looks like limited batsman despite of his record in domestic cricket. At most he will be choosen in Indian pitches as handy spin bowler who can bat a bit.

jeesh
March 24, 2013, 02:48 AM
24 wickets in the series. I wish our SLA's could bowl like this. Keep an eye on this guy.

al-Sagar
March 24, 2013, 03:21 AM
he may end up a better bowler, specially at sub continent pitches but, batting at7/8 for india wont give him enough chance with the bat, either he wont get enough time to bat, or when he gets it wont be enough time

jeesh
March 24, 2013, 04:42 AM
Shakib is a fighter. This injury really slowed him down. His other enemy is he himself. He needs to put in a lot more effort in the nets to add more dimensions to his bowling, keep improving his batting. If things go well and he plays for another 7-8 years, there is every chance he ll score 8000-10000 runs and get 350 plus wickets. With that record he will not only finish as a Bangladeshi legend, but one of the best limited over all rounders of all time.

Regarding Jadeja, yeah probably he wont get much opportunity but he is showing signs of developing into a world class all rounder.

simon
March 24, 2013, 06:16 AM
Yes Robindro can take away Sakib's crown as long as he bowls against Aussie :lol:

NoName
March 24, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jadeja will be a good bowler, on turners, but as a batsman he is completely worthless, so there is minimal chance of him overtaking Shakib as a leading all-rounder.

Sovik
March 27, 2013, 05:49 AM
I think Jadeja has 3 Tripple hundreds in domestic cricket

ReZ_1
March 27, 2013, 07:22 AM
OK, jadeja can be competitive with shakib because he is backed by indian team and surrounded by good match-winners around, but this can be his downfall in a peculiar way to attain the top rank all rounder in icc list, because as seen with hafeez, in spite of playing so much cricket but due to his poor form he moved down to shakib, so as india gets to play so much cricket round the year, there is a possibility that his poor form in a series or two can always pull him back behind shakib in the icc list..

jeesh
March 27, 2013, 08:57 AM
Yep. And he wont get so many opportunities to prove himself like Shakib does. India already has so many match winners

Maysun
March 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
Shakib is a fighter. This injury really slowed him down. His other enemy is he himself. He needs to put in a lot more effort in the nets to add more dimensions to his bowling, keep improving his batting. If things go well and he plays for another 7-8 years, there is every chance he ll score 8000-10000 runs and get 350 plus wickets. With that record he will not only finish as a Bangladeshi legend, but one of the best limited over all rounders of all time.

Regarding Jadeja, yeah probably he wont get much opportunity but he is showing signs of developing into a world class all rounder.

Couldn't agree more. But with ODI's status in question, will it last that long or will enough matches be played for Shakib to reach those figures?

That being said, I think Jadeja will be very instrumental in the way he is shaping up. Probably more so in ODI's and Tests. Let's not forget that Ashwin is a solid tail ender and has shown he can bat for sessions, so a Jadeja-Ashwin combo down the order will be very helpful and comforting for the Indians.

jeesh
June 11, 2013, 12:19 AM
Not trying to prove anything, but this guys rise in cricket is impressive. The way he gives the ball a rip, the way he bats, the way he fields, he could soon elevate himself to the top when it comes to all rounders. Sometimes i find him a more dangerous bowler than Ashwin.

Gowza
June 11, 2013, 01:46 AM
Not trying to prove anything, but this guys rise in cricket is impressive. The way he gives the ball a rip, the way he bats, the way he fields, he could soon elevate himself to the top when it comes to all rounders. Sometimes i find him a more dangerous bowler than Ashwin.

yeah his improvement is impressive, if he can replicate his FC stats or get close to them and continue with his quality fielding then he will be at the top of the greatest ever, wouldn't be many players in test history who have managed to average 45+ with the bat, 25- with the ball and field great.

but that picture on cricinfo has to go!

sum_1
June 11, 2013, 03:04 AM
He wouldn't get much opportunities to bat long in ODIs, given his no. 7 position. However he looks to be a permanent in tests at least for the next few matches and should seize this opportunity to show his real batting talent. I've seen one of his domestic triple hundreds, and if he can replicate half of that in tests, he'd be among the very best.

The good thing is the patience shown by the team management on the young players. Although it's yet to work out in certain cases (Ishant, Rohit, Dinda etc), it really payed off for most players (Kohli, Jadeja etc).

Isnaad
June 11, 2013, 06:43 AM
Took 3 wickets today. Sigh. But even if he does take Shakib's place, he can't sustain it for long.

Shakib's range: 380-450
Hafeez's range: 350-410
Jadeja's range (Future): 320-400
Watson's range: 350-420

There's a reason Shakib has been leading the pack. Note that Shakib missed 8 ODIs in a row due to injury. Because of that he lost close to 40 points. True story.

koushik
June 11, 2013, 07:51 AM
Sir Jadeja Takes 5 Wkt :)

BengaliPagol
June 11, 2013, 07:55 AM
calm down it's just the West Indies. No need to reach such drastic conclusions.

koushik
June 11, 2013, 08:13 AM
10 Over
2 Maiden
36 Run
5 Wkt

Isnaad
June 11, 2013, 08:16 AM
This will boost Jadeja's rating points. But he will have to score with the bat too in the upcoming games to surpass the likes of Shakib, Hafeez and Watson.

AsifTheManRahman
June 11, 2013, 08:33 AM
Ajke Ashraful team e thakle oke duita taka dhoray dilei dekhten kibhabe Jadejar career shesh kore dito. 6 6 6 6 6 6.

koushik
June 11, 2013, 08:55 AM
This will boost Jadeja's rating points. But he will have to score with the bat too in the upcoming games to surpass the likes of Shakib, Hafeez and Watson.

Jadeja will play many odi this year(minimum till march 14)

champions trophy 2
in wi tri series 4
in zim 3
in india vs aus 7
in sa 5
in nz 3
+asia cup 3

Isnaad
June 11, 2013, 09:55 AM
Jadeja will play many odi this year(minimum till march 14)

champions trophy 2
in wi tri series 4
in zim 3
in india vs aus 7
in sa 5
in nz 3
+asia cup 3

The more the ODIs, the more consistent he needs to be. He is still more of a bowling all-rounder. (Although he does have 2 triples in FC)

sum_1
June 11, 2013, 12:53 PM
IMHO you can't really compare a regular middle order batsman to someone who most of the times comes in the 45th over and has to slog it out. The former gets ample time to get his eye in and build an innings, the later doesn't have that luxury (and Jadeja is not a natural slogger).

Since this is a comparison thread, allow me to post a few stats about their domestic careers so far, which might (or might not) give a fair idea about the topic in hand.

Shakib (Batting, FC career)

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50

65 120 9 3886 144 35 5 23


Jadeja (Batting, FC career)

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50

48 70 6 3263 331 50.98 7 12


Both the players have different roles to play in their team. One has been doing it brilliantly for a few years now, and the other has started doing in recently. Both Shakib (for sure) and Jadeja (I hope) has a long career ahead of them, so lets just leave it to that. And regarding ICC rankings, wasn't at one point Ireland was ranked higher than Australia in T20s? :)

Isnaad
June 11, 2013, 01:04 PM
The ICC rankings for ODIs and Tests have been pretty much accurate. Jadeja has done well to get into the top 5. But as you have said, his limited batting exposure won't let him get past Shakib.

To add to that, although improving, Jadeja's Intl. batting stats are ordinary.

sum_1
June 11, 2013, 01:14 PM
To add to that, although improving, Jadeja's Intl. batting stats are ordinary.

In some way its understandable. He's no Pollard, who would come in the 45th over and blast his way to a half century. He used to be a middle order batsman in the domestic arena.

Secondly you tend to perform better if you're a regular in your team (some might argue its the opposite), Jadeja has been a regular only recently, so we might see improved batting performances from him. What has been really disappointing so far is his batting in tests, this is one area he needs to work on.

Off topic: Just checked the ICC ranking for allrounders in tests, Shakib is facing competition from Ashwin. :D

Gowza
June 11, 2013, 06:26 PM
The more the ODIs, the more consistent he needs to be. He is still more of a bowling all-rounder. (Although he does have 2 triples in FC)

would say in the shorter formats he's more of a bowling all rounder but he's averaging 50+ in FC cricket as well as averaging around 25 with the ball, that has to make him a genuine all rounder, if not results wise then potential wise. test cricket is still the ultimate imo, that's where he's done best domestically hopefully he translates it to tests.

koushik
June 19, 2013, 06:07 AM
Jadeja moves to 4th position in odi allrounder ranking as well as bowling ranking
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jeesh
June 19, 2013, 11:31 PM
His bowling has improved significantly. Now India doesnt need to pick a second spinner as Jadeja can comfortably do the job. And he is no part time spinner. His bowling plan is simple. 90+% will be in the good length, around off stump. Lots of lbw's, lots of bowled out. And because he can turn the ball sharp the batsman is always in two minds when it comes to improvising.

zsayeed
June 20, 2013, 07:47 AM
Jadeja looks like the REAL deal indeed.

simon
June 23, 2013, 03:01 PM
nah,I made fun of him before but Jadeja really is doing very well, and as Ind play way too many matches than BD he might get to the number one AR spot.
But staying in that n°1 spot is a different challenge, Sakib has already proved that.

MohammedC
June 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
No one can match what Shakib does. By becoming number 1 all rounder without playing. I have lost count the number of time he has done that.

Go beat that record Jadeja.

simon
June 23, 2013, 03:20 PM
^^ya, like recently Hafeez's poor performance in Chmp Trophy got Sakib back to n°1 ,
this happened when Watson once reached n°1 too I think.

Isnaad
June 23, 2013, 04:12 PM
Shakib has not played 8 matches because of injuries. That cost him a good deal of points. Jadeja will get to number one but it will be short-lived that is for sure.

BengaliPagol
June 24, 2013, 03:18 AM
Shakib still needs to look to improve because he hasn't been at his best for a while now.

Gowza
June 24, 2013, 04:35 AM
Shakib still needs to look to improve because he hasn't been at his best for a while now.

yeah for sure, his bowling has fallen away a bit, batting is still pretty good though.

jeesh
June 24, 2013, 06:35 AM
I wont be surprised if this guy ends up one of the best spinners of the world, well at least one of the best SLA's.

He is a happening bowler. Whether its 4 overs or 10 overs, he ll make things happen, will pick wickets, create panic. Just imagine you have a choice of Ojha, Herath, Jadeja, Vettori, Panesaar, Razzak who do you pick. With his current form Jadeja for me because the impact he creates.

He should also bat up the order, more useful than Raina.

Maysun
June 24, 2013, 09:02 AM
He is an intelligent bowler.. Makes the batsmen think!

sum_1
June 24, 2013, 09:39 AM
From AltCricket on Twitter. :lol:
<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNhdHpUCIAAFF9P.jpg:large">

koushik
June 24, 2013, 09:46 AM
Latest Icc Odi All Rounder Ranking
.
All-rounders
Rank Player Team
Pts
1 Shakib Al Hasan
Ban 387
2 M Hafeez Pak 382
3 Ravindra Jadeja
Ind 378
4 Shane Watson Aus
372
5 Angelo Mathews SL
334
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koushik
July 11, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jadeja today vs SL
7.5 Over
23 run
1 maiden
4 wkt
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prtikul
July 11, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sir Ravindra Jadeja is one of the worst Indian batsman that I have seen in last 10 years, Yes he is good bowler in Indian conditions but I don't want him to any where near Indian squad in 2015 wc, Pretty much useless in those conditions.

Shakib batsman>>>>>>Jadeja


Shakib bowler>= Jadeja

Still not much changed as far his batting is concerned, Maybe India might play him as a genuine spinner in Australia ahead of Ashwin if situation demands. I am not confident to play him as batting an all rounder.

jeesh
July 11, 2013, 11:14 PM
Lol. He is a genuine all rounder like it or not. Dont be in denial. Jadeja is a big fish in a big pond. Shakib is a big fish in a small pond. You put Jadeja in Bangladesh he too will have fantastic record with bat and ball. He almost averages 50 in his first class career. But not much he can do in international cricket as long as he bats at 7. In Bangladesh we rely on Shakib to give us the platform to bail us out-he plays a central role in whatever we do. In India there are 6 other world class batsman who have an attempt before Jadeja gets his turn. There are 4 other bowlers who will be given more importance than him.

Sadly we are having a dearth in quality talent in international cricket these days. But Jadeja is one such bright spark. I d support any team against India, but his talent and ability is sth every cricket lover must appreciate. It wont be long before he becomes the worlds number 1 all rounder.

oronnya
July 11, 2013, 11:53 PM
Lol. He is a genuine all rounder like it or not. Dont be in denial. Jadeja is a big fish in a big pond. Shakib is a big fish in a small pond. You put Jadeja in Bangladesh he too will have fantastic record with bat and ball. He almost averages 50 in his first class career. But not much he can do in international cricket as long as he bats at 7. In Bangladesh we rely on Shakib to give us the platform to bail us out-he plays a central role in whatever we do. In India there are 6 other world class batsman who have an attempt before Jadeja gets his turn. There are 4 other bowlers who will be given more importance than him.

Sadly we are having a dearth in quality talent in international cricket these days. But Jadeja is one such bright spark. I d support any team against India, but his talent and ability is sth every cricket lover must appreciate. It wont be long before he becomes the worlds number 1 all rounder.

achha Jadeja real deal hok or unreal deal hok tate amader labh ta ki hochhei!!!!!! He will never play for BD and we will always be stuck with Shakib so why this comparison going on and on... Even if Jadeja rises to number one that won't make any difference to Shakib's role in BD team... Instead of comparing Shakib to Sobers, Kallis, Jadeja or some other ABCD players let's go to Shakib's thread and discuss about why Shakib is performing so poorly these days.... I mean how hard it is for people to accept that Shakib is just an average international player... khali khali er shathe or shathe compare kore nijeder chhoto na korle hoi na??? Let the Indians celebrate Jadeja's success .. People do appreciate talents from all over the world and you don't have to open a thread and argue all the time to make people love him... that won't happen ever... BD people will always love BD players over any great names regardless of our players ranking...

jeesh
July 12, 2013, 12:08 AM
I think you are in the wrong section. This section is for international cricket. What else should we open threads about? :-S

oronnya
July 12, 2013, 01:11 AM
Of course you can celebrate any player's success but can we celebrate someone's success when our own boys are failing miserably??? I mean do we ever celebrate other kid's success when my own child has failed... no we don't ... Now if that means I am not a cricket fan then be it... My support and concerns comes for my team first... Do I really care how India is winning crown after crown when my Bangladesh is still ranking number 9...we appreciate and enjoy other's performance/success but definitely we won't celebrate their victory the way we will for our own ...

koushik
July 12, 2013, 02:26 AM
Leading ODI wicket-takers
in 2013
1. RA Jadeja (India)------>33
2. MJ McClenaghan (NZ)-->29
3. I Sharma (India) -------->29
4. R McLaren (SA)--------->26
5. SL Malinga (SL)--------->26
6. R Ashwin (India)--------> 24
7. JM Anderson (Eng)----->23
8. Saeed Ajmal (Pak)----->23
9. B Kumar (India)-------->23
10. CJ McKay (Aus)-------->22
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SS
July 26, 2013, 03:28 PM
No one can match what Shakib does. By becoming number 1 all rounder without playing. I have lost count the number of time he has done that.

Go beat that record Jadeja.

Ar boilenna Bhai ar besi dhure Mai she

koushik
August 4, 2013, 01:22 AM
ICC ODI ALLROUNDER RANKING -
1.SHAKIB 387
2.JADEJA 376
3.WATSON 372
4.DILSAN 371
5.HAFEZ 370
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koushik
August 4, 2013, 01:33 AM
ICC ODI BOWLER RANKING
1.JADEJA 738
2.NARINE 733
3.FINN 718
4.ANDERSON 714
5.AJMAL 712
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Night_wolf
August 5, 2013, 08:50 PM
Lol. He is a genuine all rounder like it or not. Dont be in denial. Jadeja is a big fish in a big pond. Shakib is a big fish in a small pond. You put Jadeja in Bangladesh he too will have fantastic record with bat and ball. He almost averages 50 in his first class career. But not much he can do in international cricket as long as he bats at 7. In Bangladesh we rely on Shakib to give us the platform to bail us out-he plays a central role in whatever we do. In India there are 6 other world class batsman who have an attempt before Jadeja gets his turn. There are 4 other bowlers who will be given more importance than him.

Sadly we are having a dearth in quality talent in international cricket these days. But Jadeja is one such bright spark. I d support any team against India, but his talent and ability is sth every cricket lover must appreciate. It wont be long before he becomes the worlds number 1 all rounder.

you cant say that for sure, shakib almost all the time has to bat in a difficult situation, correct me if i am wrong i can't seem to recall jadeja bailing india out in a difficult situation with the bat.

and all the argument about shakib being the vital part of BD as he bowls all the over he bats all the ball can be argued. he doesn't have a strike bowler. he has to ball under difficult situations, same goes for batting as i mentioned earlier. and he plays for a team that always loses, its hard to keep your game up in this situations, something jadeja doesn't need to tackle.

jadeja might become a great all-rounder, but at the moment he can't hold a candle to shakib no matter what the ranking say(even rankings still say shakib is better) just like shakib can't to kallis despite of the rankings

Gowza
August 5, 2013, 09:36 PM
comparing stats what you see is that they've achieved similar outcomes regardless of the different situations they both bowl under. as far as batting goes though shakib has done better, over a greater period of time, over a greater number of innings. but it's pretty clear shakib has a greater batting responsibility than jadeja. shakib has batted 124 innings out of his 129 matches, jadeja has only batted 54 innings out of his 80 matches. shakib has 19 not outs in 124 innings, jadeja has 16 out of 54 innings. shakib has 5 centuries and 25 half centuries, jadeja has no centuries and only 6 half centuries (even with the difference in innings batted this doesn't match up).

so by looking at stats you get the feeling they're similar as bowlers, but shakib is the better batsman. however i do agree that shakib bowls and bats under more difficult circumstances more often than jadeja does. plus they have different batting roles in that shakib generally bats between 3-5 and jadeja probably bats around #6/7 most of the time. shakib has a slightly higher wickets per match ratio but that could be because he's relied upon much more for wickets than jadeja is, but it's not that big of a difference anyway (jadeja about 1.18 whereas shakib is about 1.29).

koushik
August 5, 2013, 10:56 PM
comparing stats what you see is that they've achieved similar outcomes regardless of the different situations they both bowl under. as far as batting goes though shakib has done better, over a greater period of time, over a greater number of innings. but it's pretty clear shakib has a greater batting responsibility than jadeja. shakib has batted 124 innings out of his 129 matches, jadeja has only batted 54 innings out of his 80 matches. shakib has 19 not outs in 124 innings, jadeja has 16 out of 54 innings. shakib has 5 centuries and 25 half centuries, jadeja has no centuries and only 6 half centuries (even with the difference in innings batted this doesn't match up).

so by looking at stats you get the feeling they're similar as bowlers, but shakib is the better batsman. however i do agree that shakib bowls and bats under more difficult circumstances more often than jadeja does. plus they have different batting roles in that shakib generally bats between 3-5 and jadeja probably bats around #6/7 most of the time. shakib has a slightly higher wickets per match ratio but that could be because he's relied upon much more for wickets than jadeja is, but it's not that big of a difference anyway (jadeja about 1.18 whereas shakib is about 1.29).

in overall shakib>jadeja
but in 2013 odi
jadeja>>>shakib
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Night_wolf
August 5, 2013, 11:47 PM
in overall shakib>jadeja
but in 2013 odi
jadeja>>>shakib

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i agree with you, currently jadeja has done better then shakib, thats why his ranking is good. ranking shows current top performers and jadeja is the current top performing all-rounder

but shakib since the 2012 asia cup has played only 3 ODIs where Jadeja has played a lot, so you cant compare these two

Jadukor
August 5, 2013, 11:48 PM
As I have said before it is still too early to compare the two. Stats are always better early on... remember Mendis and how he started? Shakib is the main target of all opposition bowlers and has to fight against specific game plans set for him. Jadeja might have started on equal footing but lets see what happens once bowlers and batters study him and figure out his tricks.

Jadeja played only 5 tests matches so far. I would wait another year or two before comparing.

Gowza
August 5, 2013, 11:57 PM
As I have said before it is still too early to compare the two. Stats are always better early on... remember Mendis and how he started? Shakib is the main target of all opposition bowlers and has to fight against specific game plans set for him. Jadeja might have started on equal footing but lets see what happens once bowlers and batters study him and figure out his tricks.

Jadeja played only 5 tests matches so far. I would wait another year or two before comparing.

Yeah to way to early to compare in tests, they can be better compared in ODIs at this point.

jeesh
August 6, 2013, 12:55 AM
comparing stats what you see is that they've achieved similar outcomes regardless of the different situations they both bowl under. as far as batting goes though shakib has done better, over a greater period of time, over a greater number of innings. but it's pretty clear shakib has a greater batting responsibility than jadeja. shakib has batted 124 innings out of his 129 matches, jadeja has only batted 54 innings out of his 80 matches. shakib has 19 not outs in 124 innings, jadeja has 16 out of 54 innings. shakib has 5 centuries and 25 half centuries, jadeja has no centuries and only 6 half centuries (even with the difference in innings batted this doesn't match up).

so by looking at stats you get the feeling they're similar as bowlers, but shakib is the better batsman. however i do agree that shakib bowls and bats under more difficult circumstances more often than jadeja does. plus they have different batting roles in that shakib generally bats between 3-5 and jadeja probably bats around #6/7 most of the time. shakib has a slightly higher wickets per match ratio but that could be because he's relied upon much more for wickets than jadeja is, but it's not that big of a difference anyway (jadeja about 1.18 whereas shakib is about 1.29).
If you judge from first class, Jadeja is way ahead in terms of batting. Matter of time before he delivers in international cricket.

Anyway enough of comparisons with Shakib. Comparing with all other all rounders in world cricket atm, this guy looks extremely good. I cant think of any other all rounder among upcoming emerging players who is so equally capable with both bat and ball.

Gowza
August 6, 2013, 01:15 AM
If you judge from first class, Jadeja is way ahead in terms of batting. Matter of time before he delivers in international cricket.

Anyway enough of comparisons with Shakib. Comparing with all other all rounders in world cricket atm, this guy looks extremely good. I cant think of any other all rounder among upcoming emerging players who is so equally capable with both bat and ball.

but we aren't comparing at test level (so FC stats aren't as relevant), we've said it's to early, in list A's shakib is ahead, jadeja doesn't even have a list A ton, shakib has 5 and they all came in internationals not domestics. shakib often performs much better at international level than domestic level which also makes it difficult to compare domestic records.

of course jadeja's FC average is way ahead of shakib's, and maybe it is a matter of time, but maybe not. as i've shown, shakib has been better in the shorter formats at all levels with the bat in terms of numbers so he could therefore be better in tests to, or maybe not we'll have to wait and see. like i also said, shakib generally bats 1 or 2 places higher than jadeja does so that means shakib has more opportunity to make runs.

point is it isn't conclusive, it can go either way at this point, only time will tell.

Night_wolf
August 6, 2013, 02:29 AM
If you judge from first class, Jadeja is way ahead in terms of batting. Matter of time before he delivers in international cricket.

Anyway enough of comparisons with Shakib. Comparing with all other all rounders in world cricket atm, this guy looks extremely good. I cant think of any other all rounder among upcoming emerging players who is so equally capable with both bat and ball.

again that you cant say for sure, indian batting tracks are run feast, Rohit avgs 60 in FC, yet he cant get into the indian test team, same goes for monoj tewary

NoName
August 6, 2013, 02:31 AM
Shakib is way ahead of Jadeja in terms of batting, but in bowling its debatable who is better.

Gowza
August 6, 2013, 02:36 AM
again that you cant say for sure, indian batting tracks are run feast, Rohit avgs 60 in FC, yet he cant get into the indian test team, same goes for monoj tewary

india have a lot of batsmen averaging over 50 though so rohit would necessarily be next in line as he's failed in ODIs so they might just think he should be behind in the pecking order due to that. rahane also averages 60 in FC cricket, pandey, reddy, as you said manoj tiwary and i'm sure others who also average over 50. i made a thread about it awhile ago, there are quite a few. someone like chand has probably jumped up the pecking order purely by playing a good u19 knock on australian pitches and done decently in FC at home.

but certainly agree we can't say for sure as indian batting tracks are generally roads, plus the pace bowling isn't that great...(though getting better).

jeesh
August 6, 2013, 06:45 AM
Wickets in India are a lot more sporting than they used to be. Thats one of the reasons behind their rise. Quality of bowling is also very good-be it pace or spin. India has enough spinners to feed several test playing nations. The number and quality of pacers have improved significantly. They have 2-3 quicks who can bowl in their mid 140's. Mind you even Pakistan seems to be short of such bowlers these days.

jeesh
August 6, 2013, 06:50 AM
Like in economics every cricketing nation has a comparative advantage in producing certain types of players. Some point to upbringing, some point to role models/icons, some point to quality of coaching, age group exposure etc etc. India has this knack of producing 50+ Average batsmen. Its too harsh if we say its just because of the quality of the wickets. In terms of technique, ability to occupy the crease, concentration, footwork-they are probably the best. You put a Bangladeshi batsman in India, doesnt mean he will end up with an average of 40+. Its all about technical ability and mindset.

sum_1
August 6, 2013, 08:07 AM
Please read my post #45 and #47 for reference.

To add a few points to that.

Playing more doesn't mean you automatically gain points. You actually lose points for not performing, specially for an all rounder who has to perform with both bat and ball. If someone gets 5 wickets in an innings but scores a duck, he'll gain points as a bowler but lose the same as an all rounder. That's exactly what happened to Jadeja at the triangular series in WI. So playing more is not the key, it is the performance.

If FC records are an indication, then Jadeja has a good probability of becoming a better test player. And the FC records are a very good indication, for in spite of the flat tracks and ordinary bowling, Jadeja has achieved those records in a domestic circuit which is in all probability and with no disrespect more competitive than what Shakib plays in.

I may be wrong, but does these rankings take fielding into account? How many runs do they both save when fielding? How many 'smart' run outs do they make happen? How many good to outstanding catches do they take? It'd make for an interesting comparison.

To conclude, I'd go with the majority consensus of Shakib being the better batsman in ODIs with Jadeja being a slightly better bowler. However, it'd interesting to find out how it turns out in Tests, as it'd be more of a level playing field since there's is more or less the same opportunity while batting at no. 4 or 7 unless you're pushing for declaration. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. :)

Gowza
August 6, 2013, 07:42 PM
really it's a waiting game, shakib currently has quite a few international tons and half tons, jadeja doesn't have that many of course jadeja bats lower and hasn't played as much so as said it's a waiting game. the other thing is BD need shakib as a batsman and bowler, india don't really need jadeja much for either, they kind of need him as a bits and pieces player in that he's going to bat lowere order most of the time and bowling he's got guys like b.kumar, yadav, ashwin etc who are also good bowlers and therefore jadeja isn't needed as much. makes it tough to compare these two.

jatindra
September 22, 2013, 01:50 PM
it is too early to compare. Both are good player.

Jadukor
December 8, 2013, 09:52 PM
getting a good look at Jadeja on this overseas tour

brockley
December 8, 2013, 11:47 PM
A FTB bully in India.India played mist their cricket in india last 18 months.

NoName
December 9, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jadeja was never a match for comparison in the batting department, he is nothing compared to Shakib. But he is in competition for his bowling, interested to see how he fares in the tests, no rank turners this time, as Shakib got around 12+ wickets against SA in two tests there.

I did hear he is an excellent fielder, any opinions if he is better than Shakib in fielding?

Night_wolf
December 9, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jadeja was never a match for comparison in the batting department, he is nothing compared to Shakib. But he is in competition for his bowling, interested to see how he fares in the tests, no rank turners this time, as Shakib got around 12+ wickets against SA in two tests there.

I did hear he is an excellent fielder, any opinions if he is better than Shakib in fielding?

shakib at the start of his career was a fantastic fielder, at par with jadeja..but ATM jadeja is better

Jadukor
December 9, 2013, 01:30 AM
Shakib never drops catches or misfields especially under pressure
I think Shakib is a very safe fielder

godzilla
February 13, 2014, 05:51 AM
An unfair comparison. Team India doesn't rely on Jadeja (Kholi is their main man) where as team Bangladesh loves to feed off Shakib's performance, be it with the bat or ball.

When Jadeja came into scene, he was a total piece of crap. Couldn't bat or ball, fielding was his thing. These days is a different story all together. I guess he is working hard behind the scene to improve massively from where he was a couple of years back.

The reason Shakib stands out most of the time is because our modons can't take a wicket or 2. Can't score a 50, let alone a 100. Usually Shakib is the one breaking the partnerships or scoring the runs which is why he stands out. Team India dosen't need Jadeja to score those 100's, they got Kholi, Dhoni, etc for that. They look at ashwin as their main spinner aswell. So even if he scores runs or gets wickets, it goes unnoticed most of the time. We unfortunately give all the burden to shakib and since he is a good player, he gets the job done.

Jadeja is not up there yet but he sure is closing the gap (in odi atleast, did not follow him in test cricket).

horizon
February 17, 2014, 07:07 PM
Shakib never drops catches or misfields especially under pressure
I think Shakib is a very safe fielder

Do you still think so?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp3jMbZ4vhM

Navo
February 17, 2014, 07:35 PM
^ Horizon, Dropped catches happen - I've even seen Dilshan, ABD drop catches. Doesn't make him bad overall.

Oh, and what about the run out today? Isam even mentioned it as one of the plays of the day!

horizon
February 17, 2014, 08:03 PM
That's exactly what my opinion is ... some lapse in fielding is acceptable. Who can forget Gibbs dropping Steve Waugh?

Hasan2k8
February 18, 2014, 07:56 AM
Big phaaaat NO!

But Jadeja can be alright at LOI's

horizon
February 18, 2014, 01:33 PM
Oh, and what about the run out today? Isam even mentioned it as one of the plays of the day!
Some of Jadeja's run-outs -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXioXky_T4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYg1LV_lJ4