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AsifTheManRahman
February 8, 2013, 10:31 AM
So we got a problem. Too many people making runs. Especially freaked out by the ones in the title, never expected them to cross double digits. Which of these players should play T20s for Bangladesh and why? Who will they replace? Ke kaar bhaat marbe?

I know each one of these guys has his own thread, but scattered info is bad info. So let's talk here. Let's centralize. This could morph into a "Your T20 squad for the SL series" thread too. If it does, it will do so rightfully, as opposed to the news thread that everyone is mistaking for an opinion thread.

Fazal
February 8, 2013, 10:37 AM
Hattoo Betha, Komor Betha, Bokee Betha, Kuchki te Betha of the existing superstars in the national team will open more opportunities to these players with one exception, i.e Shubho.

It will be hard nuts to crack for Shubho to get a chance.

Max100
February 8, 2013, 10:53 AM
nice thread. kind of funny too--ke kar bhaat marbe?

who can make big score and consistent--i think they should get priority. my order

shamsur
nafees
jahurul
sabbir
naeem
milon

Nadim
February 8, 2013, 10:56 AM
2 Rahman; Shabbir and Shamsur

Jahirul back up
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One World
February 8, 2013, 11:08 AM
Nafees and Jahurul

Shamsur should be backing up.

crikss
February 8, 2013, 11:21 AM
I want kopa shamsu in the squad...too many medicore player played for BD so far. So why not try Shamsu

shakibrulz
February 8, 2013, 12:00 PM
Tamim
Shamsur
Anamul
Shakib
Sabbir
Jahirul
Mushy*+
Nasir
Mash
Shafiul
Mosharraf Hossain/Enamul Jr./Saqlain Sajib

A bit harsh on Mullah I know, but I don't see him being consistently good in T20s. Better stack it up with good T20 players. No Naeem/Mofees, you need as young a team as possible here IMO.

RazabQ
February 8, 2013, 12:55 PM
Funny how Gazi is struggling (relatively) in this format this season.
Given Shamsur's prolific form, he surely has earned the right to partner TiK. SN at this point is my somewhat proven backup opener. He's not consistent enough to be 1st choice but boy he keeps putting his hands up with his domestic performances to.
Anamul. #3 spot. You may now kiss the bride.
Shakfu. Play him as a batsman only if needed.
Jahirul. Earned this with his ability to be patient and exploive
Zia. Shabbir replaces him if Zia is struggling in camp. Else incumbent gets 1st shot.
Rest of it I agree with Rulz

NoName
February 8, 2013, 02:09 PM
Definitely not Naeem, he won't be able to replicate his recent performance in the intl stage.

simon
February 8, 2013, 02:14 PM
SN, copain Shamsu ar Johurul ke nao. era dharabahik beshi.

mij
February 8, 2013, 02:45 PM
nice thread. kind of funny too--ke kar bhaat marbe?

who can make big score and consistent--i think they should get priority. my order

shamsur
nafees
jahurul
sabbir
naeem
milon

with current stat

:up::up:

Gowza
February 8, 2013, 03:14 PM
shamsur and shabbir for t20s. naeem isn't a t20 player, at least not internationally, SN has been given so many chances why would it be different this time? he'll score some runs for the short time he's in form then do nothing and continue to be inconsistent. milon is a good hitter but will he be able to maintain it at the highest level? jahurul, he might be able to be solid internationally, but i think he'd be better in the longer formats than t20s. shamsur and shabbir have been talented prospects for a good number of years, haven't had many international chances and are now starting to score runs more consistently.

al Furqaan
February 8, 2013, 04:01 PM
All these players will fail miserably in int'l T20 cricket and fail so badly its going to be hilarious. As I've always said, we should forget about T20, BPL, IPL, ShitPL, etc. Focus on ODI so we can do something productive in 2015 and focus on Tests because SL, WI, NZ are all beatable teams and if we can't win a couple tests in the next few years we have only ourselves to blame.

India should be proof positive of the harms of garbage cricket on the real forms of the game.

Zeeshan
February 8, 2013, 04:20 PM
I am surprised by op's bias against nasir. What fault did Nasir did? Nasir ki dosh korlo...

AsifTheManRahman
February 8, 2013, 04:44 PM
Arey dada Nasir to already in. Oke niye to tension nai, or bhaat oi khabe, onno keu marte parbe na.

shuziburo
February 8, 2013, 06:07 PM
I want to change the team in a methodical fashion.

I might be biased, but I want Naeem only in the test team.
Enamul (Anamul) is either Tamim's opening partner or #3. We need someone for the other position. I am not sold on SN, but given his runs, he might be tried here.
We need one big hitter at No. 7. Zia is too limited, IMHO. Will Sabbir cut it?
Enamul Jnr should get a chance, especially in tests. Right now, only 4 bowlers in BD seem to have ability to get wickets. Shakib, Sunny, Sohag Gazi, and Enamul Jnr. Shakib is an automatic choice in any team. Gazi, being a non-SLA, should be automatic as long as he performs. If we play one more SLA, I want to make sure that we are playing the best one. I feel that Enamul might be the one.

Gowza
February 8, 2013, 09:24 PM
I want to change the team in a methodical fashion.

I might be biased, but I want Naeem only in the test team.
Enamul (Anamul) is either Tamim's opening partner or #3. We need someone for the other position. I am not sold on SN, but given his runs, he might be tried here.
We need one big hitter at No. 7. Zia is too limited, IMHO. Will Sabbir cut it?
Enamul Jnr should get a chance, especially in tests. Right now, only 4 bowlers in BD seem to have ability to get wickets. Shakib, Sunny, Sohag Gazi, and Enamul Jnr. Shakib is an automatic choice in any team. Gazi, being a non-SLA, should be automatic as long as he performs. If we play one more SLA, I want to make sure that we are playing the best one. I feel that Enamul might be the one.


1. i agree naeem should focus on tests.
2. anamul should be at #2 or #3, but rather than SN for the other spot i'd be working with shamsur as of now.
3. only option imo is shabbir.
4. i think unless we are taking a 3rd spinner enamul can't be in the test team. can't drop shakib or gazi for obvious reasons. sunny hasn't really done anything wrong, unless sunny hits a bad patch he should be persisted with, if he doesn't work out in the long run then next in line at the time gets the call up.

22Yards
February 8, 2013, 10:13 PM
I am not sold at either one of these players yet. may be shabbir. Shamsur is a great prospect but I would like him to spend some more time playing academy, A teams. Having said that, Shamsur is the only batsman out of those is worth having in the nat'l team atm. We have an open #2 slot and a crisis for top order batsman.
You can just throw anybody that are in the fringe in the T20s I don't really care. But those other players should never come close to the nat'l team in ODIs or tests. Unless they do really good, consistently. One or two BPL innings doesn't count.

BengaliPagol
February 8, 2013, 10:35 PM
We have tried a lot of top order batsmen in JS, SN, Ash and others. Since Shamsur is performing i think we have to throw him into the national team alongside Jahurul. They haven't had enough chances. National team should be persisting with these two... and with Imrul also.

Jadukor
February 8, 2013, 10:38 PM
Naeem Ryad for tests only
Jahirul, shamsur, shabbir for odi and t-20
Nafees for other formats

BD_TigerZ
February 8, 2013, 10:45 PM
No SN please..why cant we look to the future??!! Shamsur Omi Shabbir Enam in for t20. Mullah for odi nd tests naeem only tests and we cant forget marshall. Zia and milon wont we able to cut it in international stage.

Tiger444
February 8, 2013, 11:08 PM
All of them are in contention and will be invited to camp for the SL series. Then it's up to team management to see who should make it and who gets cut

Sohel
February 8, 2013, 11:50 PM
Other than Rumman, I doubt that any of the others would be able to sustain success at the highest level, no matter how many runs they score in competitive (BPL and DPL) and noncompetitive and farcical (NCL and to a lesser extent, BCL) domestics. That being said, I sincerely hope they prove me wrong.

HereWeGo
February 9, 2013, 12:01 AM
Other than Rumman, I doubt that any of the others would be able to sustain success at the highest level, no matter how many runs they score in competitive (BPL and DPL) and noncompetitive and farcical (NCL and to a lesser extent, BCL) domestics. That being said, I sincerely hope they prove me wrong.

I totally agree with you. Nafees most likely will never succeed in conditions outside the subcontinent. He is an opener but hardly got the technique to face and survive the new ball.
Jahurul uses too much bottom hand and lacks timing.He is also not great at playing short pitched bowling (An important criteria for most top order batsmen).

Shamsur and Shabbir are the only two batsman that may make great contribution to bd cricket. Shamsur is much better at playing spin than pace however he does have the technique and the time when facing fast bowling. Shabbir is an amazing talent, just needs to spend more time in the middle, needs the temperament of Anamul.

shakibrulz
February 9, 2013, 12:37 AM
All these players will fail miserably in int'l T20 cricket and fail so badly its going to be hilarious. As I've always said, we should forget about T20, BPL, IPL, ShitPL, etc. Focus on ODI so we can do something productive in 2015 and focus on Tests because SL, WI, NZ are all beatable teams and if we can't win a couple tests in the next few years we have only ourselves to blame.

India should be proof positive of the harms of garbage cricket on the real forms of the game.
I don't think that's a fair generalization. Almost all Aussie players play BBL and many IPL. Same with English players - Root, Bairstow, Buttler etc.

Such leagues can be actually beneficial if management is good and they don't ignore FC cricket. At least in BPL domestic players get a much tougher challenge facing an attack as close to Intl. standard as it can get. And BD has done better in ODIs since BPL IMHO.

As for them failing - maybe, maybe not. I agree that this is no good indicator of how they'll fare in the long run though. But still it's something for them to showcase their talents.

Zeeshan
February 9, 2013, 12:44 AM
Only thing I agree withal is that Riyad "kemon jani"....

kalpurush
February 9, 2013, 12:45 AM
So we got a problem. Too many people making runs. Especially freaked out by the ones in the title, never expected them to cross double digits. Which of these players should play T20s for Bangladesh and why? Who will they replace? Ke kaar bhaat marbe?

A poll could be helpful?

al Furqaan
February 9, 2013, 12:56 AM
I don't think that's a fair generalization. Almost all Aussie players play BBL and many IPL. Same with English players - Root, Bairstow, Buttler etc.

Such leagues can be actually beneficial if management is good and they don't ignore FC cricket. At least in BPL domestic players get a much tougher challenge facing an attack as close to Intl. standard as it can get. And BD has done better in ODIs since BPL IMHO.

As for them failing - maybe, maybe not. I agree that this is no good indicator of how they'll fare in the long run though. But still it's something for them to showcase their talents.

It is a fair generalization.

1) I wouldn't compare BBL and other leagues to the IPL/BPL/SLPL/PSL/CLT20. BBL is just the natural progressions of domestic leagues and domestic cricket. All these premier leagues are artificial instruments of making as much money as possible.There's nothing wrong with capitalism and the profit-motive, but when nothing else matters you will see bad results. Any league where the teams are franchised and a significant chunk of players are foreign, is the IPL model and is so far a recipe only for disaster.

2) Once India's pre-T20 era players retired, most of them, Kumble/Dada/Dravid/Laxman they were replaced by who? IPL stars. These guys are rocking the IPL, why are they doing so poorly in Test cricket? Its because there is no relation to PL cricket and traditional cricket. Pakistan has very little of this Premier League cricket and in recent times they've done quite well in the Test stage. Any failures they might experience now, you have to remember that they're missing two of the finest seam bowlers in the current game and could make games out of even modest totals.

3) All this fascination with PL cricket has caused SL to cut several Test matches from their 2013 schedule. No team, let alone Bangladesh, can expect to do well in Test cricket if that is not a priority.

If Australia, England follow the BCCI's lead, then they too will suffer the exact same fate. But here's the thing shakibrulz. If India sucks, and Australia suck, and England suck due to PL cricket, everyone's relative performance will be the same as before and it will be impossible to tell if cricket has been hampered.

Fortunately, right now there is only one top team that has a premier league, and incidentally that team has a wretched time in their last dozen Tests spanning 18 months.

I disagree heavily that BPL bowling attacks are somehow closer to international standard. The only int'l level bowlers in the BPL are Tait, Shapoor, Thomas and a handful of spinners like Enamul, Saqlain, and Shohag...who play in NCL and BCL too. Hooking Danza Hyatt for six isn't even in the same league as playing a mediocre bowler like VRV Singh.

Its too early to tell if our 2012 success is due to BPL or not. I would like to think that logic would dictate that its natural progression. How could BPL improve our ODI game, when it hasn't even improved our T20 game?

For that matter its also too early to tell if India's woes are partly to blame on the IPL. If India continues to struggle way more than expected over the next 24 months, then I think it will be a very easy diagnosis. India would be expected to win around least half of their Tests in the next 2 years, if they win a third or less, then its the IPL.

cricketboy
February 9, 2013, 01:02 AM
I will go with Nafees only for ODI.
Shamsur and Jahirul for ODI and 20-20.
Sabbir for 20-20.
Naeem for test only.
Milon for nothing.

patriot
February 9, 2013, 01:57 AM
I like the look of Shamsur Rahman. He needs to be tried in ODI's and T20 first . Lets see how he deals with that . From there on we can think about tests.

BD_TigerZ
February 9, 2013, 02:25 AM
i will go with nafees only for odi.
Shamsur and jahirul for odi and 20-20.
Sabbir for 20-20.
Naeem for test only.
Milon for nothing.

hopefully selectors go with this..

BD_TigerZ
February 9, 2013, 02:31 AM
T20 XI

Tamim
Shamsur 
Anamul
Shakib
Mushy 
Nasir
Shabbir
Mash
Gazi
Shafiul/Nazmul
Razzak/Enam

Reserves: Omi, Milon, Elias

Bowling + Batting depth. Shabbir Nasir Mash hitters.

No Mullah in t20s
No Mofees.
Naeem only tests.
No Zia.

Night_wolf
February 9, 2013, 08:55 PM
All these players will fail miserably in int'l T20 cricket and fail so badly its going to be hilarious. As I've always said, we should forget about T20, BPL, IPL, ShitPL, etc. Focus on ODI so we can do something productive in 2015 and focus on Tests because SL, WI, NZ are all beatable teams and if we can't win a couple tests in the next few years we have only ourselves to blame.

India should be proof positive of the harms of garbage cricket on the real forms of the game.

i agree, already some players are carrying niggle from this league, they dont have the fitness to play so many back to back games in a short period of time

SL jaye hagu kore dile ami obak hobona

firstlane
February 9, 2013, 09:46 PM
So we got a problem. Too many people making runs. Especially freaked out by the ones in the title, never expected them to cross double digits. Dada, boundary ta ektu bariye den, dekhben shob dhora porese. Aami jani ekhoni amar upor dhil-paatkel mara shuru hobe kintu chokhe da dekhlam tai bollam.

Eshen
February 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
Leave Nafees to domestics. As Gowza said in another thread, there is no point in re-introducing an experienced player to international when we see no improvement in his techniques (especially for a top order batsman).

Millon ghaer jore khele. Not sure if his power and reflex alone will be good enough for international. Let him work with McInnes for now.

Naeem is an enigma to me. He has both reflex and techniques to be successful at international cricket, at any format. Only thing he lacks from time to time is confidence in his abilities. May be he just needs more time and assurance of a regular place in the national team to settle.

I am excited for both Aumi and Shubho, both seems to be coming of age.

Sabbir? May be we should ask him to show some consistency in DPL, and in any upcoming A-team/Academy team tour, before considering for national. He is most likely one for future, but may need little bit more grooming.

Tiger444
February 10, 2013, 06:19 PM
Leave Nafees to domestics. As Gowza said in another thread, there is no point in re-introducing an experienced player to international when we see no improvement in his techniques (especially for a top order batsman).

Millon ghaer jore khele. Not sure if his power and reflex alone will be good enough for international. Let him work with McInnes for now.

Naeem is an enigma to me. He has both reflex and techniques to be successful at international cricket, at any format. Only thing he lacks from time to time is confidence in his abilities. May be he just needs more time and assurance of a regular place in the national team to settle.

I am excited for both Aumi and Shubho, both seems to be coming of age.

Sabbir? May be we should ask him to show some consistency in DPL, and in any upcoming A-team/Academy team tour, before considering for national. He is most likely one for future, but may need little bit more grooming.

I agree about SN. I'd rather give a run to both Shamsur and Jahurul. SN has had many opportunities now in the national team and while he's played well occasionally, he hasn't performed as well as a specialist batsman should. He still has an average in the mid 20's after all these Tests and averages in the teens against G8 teams in ODI's. nothing to brag about so time to see if Jahurul and Shamsur can offer on setting better to the table.

Don't want to be harsh on Milon but him along with Zia don't seem to be batsmen to me. No temperament at all and just 1 trick ponies. Won't fly in the highest level.

Agree with Naeem. He can definitely be an asset for Tests and a serviceable backup for ODI's. just needs to have a more positive mindset when he bats but he's definitely improved as a batsman in recent times.

Shabbir should be in our T20 and ODIS team. I'd start him in T20's but I'd have him on he bench for ODIs. Have him debut against the Zimbabweans.

Gowza
February 10, 2013, 06:55 PM
naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.

Eshen
February 10, 2013, 07:15 PM
naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.
In ODI, he batted mostly in late order. Both Riyad and him takes longer time to settle thus unfit for late order positions.

However, I won't mind to see Jahurul given the #4 slot in ODI/T20 for now, instead of Naeem.

Gowza
February 10, 2013, 09:08 PM
In ODI, he batted mostly in late order. Both Riyad and him takes longer time to settle thus unfit for late order positions.

However, I won't mind to see Jahurul given the #4 slot in ODI/T20 for now, instead of Naeem.

but there were plenty of times where naeem had enough time to bat his way in and score runs but he didn't manage it. believe me i was one of the people saying he's batting to low he is being used incorrectly that's why he's not succeeding. but really at the end of the day he had enough chances coming in with a good amount of overs and he couldn't take advantage. a quality player is still going to do ok and he did actually start off ok but he managed to drop his average from over 30 to under 25, he's played 45 ODI innings. now i'm not saying he should never ever play the shorter formats, and he may be better now than he was back then but atm there isn't a place for him, he had an opportunity up the order against WI and despite having scored an unbeaten 50 he still managed to only average 20 across his 4 innings.

Eshen
February 10, 2013, 09:19 PM
Again, agree with you Gowza. We now have plenty of middle order options go around, so picking different batsman for different format does make sense. It will also help us to develop a better player pool.

shuziburo
February 10, 2013, 09:42 PM
naeem does have the potential to be good in all formats, but i don't know if an extended run in the team will give him confidence to perform, might work for tests since that's his best format and he hasn't played too many tests yet so he's still settling but certainly in ODIs he's already had a good run in the team and he started well but then he was falling short. i reckon let naeem focus on succeeding in tests, i think once he establishes himself in the test team it will give him the confidence he needs to perform in the other formats.

He has a nickname "chhokka Naeem." But, that's not his style and he is not a good lower-order batsman. He should be a #4 or #5, but do the selectors understand this?

simon
February 12, 2013, 07:21 AM
Milon i shera

Mithun keo nao

Shubho
February 12, 2013, 08:23 AM
After scoring six 50s in the current BPL, I think I should be called to the national T20 squad. Do you guys agree?

SS
February 12, 2013, 09:58 AM
ato player kare raikha kare nibo...shobai to superstar hoiya gelo in BPL...shobari obosta Sir er moto hoi jokon intl match hoi...tension tension tension

shakibrulz
February 12, 2013, 10:59 AM
Say what you will about Milon, but he seems to have that Dhoni-esque grit despite his lack of technique.

After scoring six 50s in the current BPL, I think I should be called to the national T20 squad. Do you guys agree?
Both T20 and ODI IMO.

Nadim
February 12, 2013, 11:48 AM
Both Shabbir and Shamsur should be in T20 and ODI squad. Milon T20 only, and if he do well for a yr, we can also bring him for ODI.

AsifTheManRahman
February 12, 2013, 12:10 PM
If we're picking anyone new based on BPL results, it should be for the T20 squad only. If it were up to me, I'd keep the three formats separate and pick proven performers only.

SS
February 12, 2013, 01:09 PM
Who can read Selectors' mind?

Rifat
February 12, 2013, 09:56 PM
My T20 XI+Lineup against Sri Lanka/next T20I:

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Shamsur Rahman
3. Anamul Haque
4. Shakib-al-Hasan/Sabbir Rahman(if Shakib is injured)
5. Mushfiqur Rahim
6. Nasir Hossain
7. Nazmul Hossain Milon
8. Mashrafee Mortaza
9. Shohag Gazi
10.Nazmul Hossain
11. Abdur Razzak



Standby: Jahurul Islam, Shahriar Nafees, Mohammad Ashraful

I Love Naeem Islam, but i would only include him for tests....

Jumon
February 12, 2013, 10:34 PM
Here goes my t20 squad against SL.

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Shamsur Rahman
3. Anamul Haque
4. Shakib-al-Hasan
5. Mushfiqur Rahim
6. Nasir Hossain
7.Shabbir Rahman
8.Shohag Gazi
9-A.Razzak.
10-Mash.

11-Rubel.
_________________________
12-Riad.
13-Zia.
________________________
standby:Milon,

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Shaan
February 13, 2013, 03:34 PM
Here goes my t20 squad against SL.

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Shamsur Rahman
3. Anamul Haque
4. Shakib-al-Hasan
5. Mushfiqur Rahim
6. Nasir Hossain
7.Shabbir Rahman
8.Shohag Gazi
9-A.Razzak.
10-Mash.

11-Rubel.
_________________________
12-Riad.
13-Zia.
________________________
standby:Milon,

Ash,Nafis,Shafiul,Enam Jnr.
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pretty good squad, I think Shabbir is very much ready for national team. He is proving he can play big shots at will as well can play calm when needed. :up:

Fazal
February 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
For some, this BPL2 is bringing them glory and futrure opportunity, for other its like a curse... vanishing quickly. Shuvi falls under 2nd category.... digging bigeer hole for himself.