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firstlane
March 11, 2013, 04:17 AM
I thought this news deserved its own thread. I have never heard something like this before. Grown up cricketers thrown out of the team for not doing homework! It can't get more amusing then that.

Watson, Pattinson among four axed for third Test
Shane Watson, James Pattinson, Mitchell Johnson and Usman Khawaja will not be considered for Australia's third Test against India in Mohali after ignoring team orders following the crushing innings defeat in Hyderabad. After the loss inside three and a half days, the coach Mickey Arthur asked every member of the squad to let him know three points on how their individual performances and those of the team could be improved.

The players were informed of the task on Tuesday night and were asked to ensure it was done by Saturday evening. Every other player completed the requirements, either by emailing or texting Arthur their points or by slipping a note under his door. However, as of Monday morning the four players, including the vice-captain Watson, had neglected to comply. Arthur, captain Michael Clarke and team manager Gavin Dovey met and discussed how to handle the situation and decided that it needed to be a "line-in-the-sand moment".

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/624494.html

jeesh
March 11, 2013, 04:36 AM
Diverting attention from heavy losses to discipline?

What good is it going to do!

Naimul_Hd
March 11, 2013, 04:37 AM
Very strict punishment for my liking. This decision will only help India to get another innings win. Those players could have given warning before axing them from the team.

Internal conflict in the team ? Clark vs Watson may be ?

Well, this what the coach had to say in press conference !

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mickey-Arthur-press-conference-India---March-11th

Maysun
March 11, 2013, 04:42 AM
Well, I think I am on board with the management.

Gowza
March 11, 2013, 08:38 AM
the players should have done what was asked but at the same time a harsh punishment. team will lose out with no pattinson.

MohammedC
March 11, 2013, 08:45 AM
Very strict punishment for my liking.

Internal conflict in the team ? Clark vs Watson may be ?



If there is slight possibility then I wonder what would Mr Katich say :)

Ashfaq
March 11, 2013, 08:58 AM
ROFL. Is Powerpoint presentation ever supposed to be a cricketers strong suit?

Jadukor
March 11, 2013, 10:17 AM
Micky Arthur turning into the next J. Buchanon

Nadim
March 11, 2013, 10:22 AM
Watson may retire from test...

simon
March 11, 2013, 10:25 AM
lol, and we always blamed our boys for not being as professional as the Aussie.
This is what happens when u start getting the taste of defeat,
ekhon bujho thela...

AsifTheManRahman
March 11, 2013, 11:37 AM
Looks like there may have been more to it than what meets the naked eye:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/624571.html

Also, liked the following bit:

"We can't accept mediocrity here. This is the Australian cricket team. Maybe I am biased [but] there is a big difference between this team and other cricket teams. If you play for Australia there is a lot that comes with that and standards, discipline, culture that is all a big part of what we are talking about here."

Clarke I'm sure is an able leader and deserves better from his players.

Maysun
March 11, 2013, 11:56 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Eng : text and get into troubleAus : don't text and get into troubleAshes - to text or not to text!</p>&mdash; Sundar Raman (@ramansundar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ramansundar/status/311118674763329537">March 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Leafs PWN
March 11, 2013, 03:18 PM
Harsh, but at the same time, it was a very simple task.

Gowza
March 11, 2013, 05:08 PM
Looks like there may have been more to it than what meets the naked eye:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/624571.html

Also, liked the following bit:



Clarke I'm sure is an able leader and deserves better from his players.

the problem for clarke is that he's now in the prime of his career and the leader of the team. but the team he is leading is in transition and struggling to find it's feet, at least consistently. but i feel clarke needs to open his eye's a bit, nothing wrong with expecting the best but he has to remember the aussie team he first played in was far different from this one. when he debuted he was playing with a team of greats, currently no one in the aussie team bar possibly himself are anywhere near greats of the game. aussie cricket is in a different place.

Tintin
March 11, 2013, 06:23 PM
ROFL. Is Powerpoint presentation ever supposed to be a cricketers strong suit?

In the Steve Waugh days, all players had to write poems and read it infront of the team on some occasions. Some of those criticising Arthur, like Damien Martyn, would have written poetry in his time.

Jadukor
March 11, 2013, 08:10 PM
Cricketers are there to play the game. It's the coach's job to identify the mistakes made and and guide them towards success. Not everyone can articulate their thoughts in writing and the dressing room is not an MBA class room. Two of the players didn't even play the two tests... what the hell are they supposed to reflect on? Arthur himself said Watson is very professional in the way he prepares before a match. So overall this whole axing episode was a dumb move imo and it will negatively affect the whole team.

firstlane
March 11, 2013, 08:31 PM
I find this extremely harsh. Taking away some portion of match fees of players would have been more than suffice. By doing this the management once again made it clear that they don't care about winning against anyone except England. All four were in strong contention of playing the next match. This is not as severe as the case of Andrew Symonds' was. No one turned up being drunk here. Australian team management have always been way too strict. Around the same time of Andrew Symonds' incident Andrew Flintoff did his famous 'Fredalo' episode as well but nothing happened to him. Shane Warne has raised his voice about this few times. One headmaster to another- from Buchanon to Inverarity and now Micky Arthur. I think we will see people like Darren Lehman in charge sooner than later if this type of circus continues to happen. Here is an interesting comment from someone at cricinfo:

Posted by grahaam on (March 11, 2013, 18:55 GMT)
Micky Arthur and Australia was never going to work , any one who has been schooled in Southern Africa will realise that the discipline there is proper, this will clash strongly with an Australian relaxed attitude, an Australian coach will soon be in place and Arthur will return to South Africa a wealthy man but average coach, lacking in man management skills and individual character appreciation.

Tintin
March 11, 2013, 09:53 PM
Looks like there may have been more to it than what meets the naked eye:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/624571.html

Also, liked the following bit:



Clarke I'm sure is an able leader and deserves better from his players.

I can sympathise with Clarke-Arthur's position. People who have worked in jobs where teamwork is important would be probably be familiar with people who spread negativity and try to gradually undermine the authority. Any single indiscretion that do won't appear serious, so it would be difficult to punish them. They are often productive as individuals but the contribution to the team as a whole would be negative.

Jadukor
March 11, 2013, 10:05 PM
Micky Arthur should coach Pakistan. There wouldn't be anyone left in the squad beside himself.

jeesh
March 11, 2013, 10:12 PM
Perhaps its time for Australia to get a strong personality in charge of the team. Darren Lehmann or Tom Moody might be able to turn it around for them.

NoName
March 11, 2013, 11:28 PM
Imagine what our players would write:lol:

firstlane
March 12, 2013, 12:01 AM
There may be more to the story. Here whats Clarke said,"It's a lot bigger than that. There have been a number of things on this tour that have not been up to the standard that we would have liked as the Australian Cricket Team, hence our performance." http://www.cricket.com.au/news-list/2013/3/12/clarke-backs-decision
Its making sense now. Omitting from the team for not providing feedback looked a bit over the top.

ahnaf
March 12, 2013, 01:50 AM
ajaira kahini.. team managment er matha geche

BengaliPagol
March 12, 2013, 05:20 AM
Australia just lost their pace attack.

Tiger444
March 12, 2013, 08:14 PM
Its been a rough tour so far for the Aussies. Has to be a lot of events that made them eventually tick. And if its supported by Clarke then there must be some problems. I think having Watson out could be a blessing in discuise. Time for him to go in Tests. Hes just not doing good enough and needs a break. Khawaja needs a run in his place after his suspension is over

Jadukor
March 12, 2013, 09:26 PM
Its been a rough tour so far for the Aussies. Has to be a lot of events that made them eventually tick. And if its supported by Clarke then there must be some problems. I think having Watson out could be a blessing in discuise. Time for him to go in Tests. Hes just not doing good enough and needs a break. Khawaja needs a run in his place after his suspension is over
IMO Watson is the second best batsman after Clarke in this side. He is a good player of spin and pace with a good range of strokes and immense power. He would have come good eventually but unfortunately for him he won't get that chance now.

Clarke is either a very innocent guy or a very shrewd one who knows how to hide his wrong doings. He had issues with Katich and now seems to have issues with Watson. We all know what happened to Katich.

firstlane
March 12, 2013, 09:45 PM
There is a stark difference between Arthur's coaching style than that of his countryman Gary Kirsten's. Kirsten seemed to earn respect from his pupils, didn't need to force them. Thats why he has been successful with teams of two very distinct cultures. Whereas Arthur seems to be a task master. Also, as much as I like Clarke's performance on-filed, his performance off-field leaves a question. Players like Katich and Symonds lost their places under his captaincy and now Watson. Clarke made Watson felt unwanted few times by saying "We beat Indian 4-0 without Watto". This is not how you speak as a captain. Your job is to unite the team but you are dividing. These are grown up professional cricketers. Everyone of them worked their backsides off to reach to the national team. You as the captain and coach need to find a way to get the best out of them. The team has to enjoy what they do.

Tiger444
March 12, 2013, 10:18 PM
IMO Watson is the second best batsman after Clarke in this side. He is a good player of spin and pace with a good range of strokes and immense power. He would have come good eventually but unfortunately for him he won't get that chance now.

Clarke is either a very innocent guy or a very shrewd one who knows how to hide his wrong doings. He had issues with Katich and now seems to have issues with Watson. We all know what happened to Katich.

Watto could be the 2nd batsman in the team but that doesn't say much in a team with full of youngsters. Also it doesn't change the fact that he's underachieved in Tests. Only 2 centuries and a 30 odd average after all these matches. I think it's time he takes a long break and goes back to Sheffield Shield before he comes back.

BengaliPagol
March 13, 2013, 05:59 AM
Khawaja threw away his test debut

firstlane
March 13, 2013, 10:13 AM
Khawaja threw away his test debut

He has played 6 tests already.

firstlane
March 13, 2013, 10:15 AM
Some interesting points from Nasser Hussain:

"First up, I do believe Mickey Arthur (coach) and Michael Clarke have been badly let down by the four players who failed to do their homework."

"It's lazy and disrespectful of them not to respond to a simple task on a tough tour," he wrote.

"Second, I find it hard to understand why Shane Watson, the vice-captain, isn't on the management team."

"When I was captain, we made sure people felt involved in big decisions - especially the No.2. The whole structure seems wrong."

Hussain hit out the prevailing spirit in the Australian team, saying the other players should have checked about the homework with sacked four.

"It also tells me a lot about team spirit. Forget all this rubbish about clapping your teammates on the balcony for the benefit of the TV cameras."

"Team spirit should have been someone asking Watson or the other three whether they'd done their feedback - and if not, why not?" said Hussain.

"Having said all that, I do feel the decision to drop the players is just too harsh. This just feels like shooting yourself in the foot," Hussain added.

"These four guys are never going to forget this. And when they're in a tight spot in the Ashes later this year, they may just ask themselves who it is they want to perform for."

http://www.vcricket.com/cricket-news/nasser-hussain-says-aussie-team-structure-is-flawed-39749.html

firstlane
March 13, 2013, 10:22 AM
Some of the misconducts that led to sacking four players:


- Showing up late for team meetings and training sessions;

- Missing medical and physiotherapy appointments;

- Sleeping in and holding up the team bus;

- Wearing the wrong uniforms;

- Failing to consistently complete CA health and well-being forms;

- Recording fluctuating skin-folds, with some players deemed overweight.

The exact offenders are not known.

Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/sackings-of-mohali-four-were-a-consequence-of-cultural-breakdown-in-australian-cricket/story-fn2mcu3x-1226596081002#ixzz2NQwlKUjB

jeesh
March 13, 2013, 10:23 PM
Interesting message from Flintoff


"flintoff11 andrew flintoff
Amazing 4 Aussie players banned for not doing homework , I thought letting them play in the next test would be punishment enough #3-0india"

firstlane
March 14, 2013, 07:49 AM
Watson's wife Lee gave birth to their boy Will tonight. Wow. That is what Watson meant when he said earlier, "Things happen for a reason".

firstlane
March 14, 2013, 10:08 AM
Ricky Ponting has mounted a staunch defence of Shane Watson's qualities as a team player and also said that Cricket Australia's team performance manager Pat Howard would regret his implication that the national team's vice-captain was anything otherwise.

Speaking after he made his third Sheffield Shield century of the season for Tasmania against Victoria in Hobart, Ponting was adamant that he had never found fault with Watson's actions in the past, though he described the decision to suspend four players from the third Test in Mohali as "drastic" but merited in the circumstances.

"I've never known him to be anything other than a very good team player and a great bloke to have around your team."

"I loved every moment that I played with Watto," Ponting said. "To tell the truth I think I understood him and his personality as well as anyone that I ever played with. I tried to get as close to him as I could. I tried to know him as well as I could both on and off the field and I actually felt by doing that I got as much out of him as I could as a player."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/625003.html

Howard really made a fool of himself talking nonsense.

BengaliPagol
March 14, 2013, 06:41 PM
He has played 6 tests already.

In India i meant.