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shakibrulz
March 11, 2013, 05:55 AM
His keeping isn't exactly good against spin in tests, and it would take some burden of his shoulders as one of the most important batsmen in the team. So should Mushy hand over keeping to someone else? If yes whom?

crikss
March 11, 2013, 06:00 AM
he is the best keeper we currently have. Don't expect others to do any wonder

shakibrulz
March 11, 2013, 06:05 AM
he is the best keeper we currently have. Don't expect others to do any wonder
I like Sohan's keeping, but his batting has still a long way to go. I don't mind todays in particular, but he's missed some really easy ones too, forgot to even stump Taufeeq off Shak's bowling, remember?

Not sure how Anamul does vs spin, haven't seen enough of him.

Maysun
March 11, 2013, 06:10 AM
We don't have enough resources of International quality when it comes to keeping and being a batsman. So no chance of Sohan in the near future. Has to work on his batting.

Regarding Anamul, I think he is decent from what I have seen of him in the BPL matches but probably needs more experience. And moreover, we're just drafting him into our XI's. So, I don't think the burden will help him atm.

Leaves us with no choice. Mushy it is.

ms01
March 11, 2013, 07:21 AM
It hurt us badly when Mushy dropped that simple catch.

Purbasha T
March 11, 2013, 07:47 AM
I like Sohan's keeping, but his batting has still a long way to go. I don't mind todays in particular, but he's missed some really easy ones too, forgot to even stump Taufeeq off Shak's bowling, remember?

Not sure how Anamul does vs spin, haven't seen enough of him.

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Watch from 4:00 onwards

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Ajfar
March 11, 2013, 08:11 AM
Regarding Anamul, I think he is decent from what I have seen of him in the BPL matches but probably needs more experience. And moreover, we're just drafting him into our XI's. So, I don't think the burden will help him atm.

Leaves us with no choice. Mushy it is.

Plus he is a top order batsman, he always has been. He will hqve to bat down the order if he start keeping behind wickets in Test. Also Mushy has done pretty well down the order, why change something that's been working.

Nadim
March 11, 2013, 08:17 AM
Take a breake. Non stop batting and keeping for 4 day in a row is not a piece of cake. even Dhoni and Prior would struggle

meazz1
March 11, 2013, 08:21 AM
Mushy is on a roll now and he should not stop, whatever that is.
You go Golden Boy!

jeesh
March 11, 2013, 08:31 AM
Its a huge advantage to have a keeper who can bat up in the order. Gives us the flexibility to add an extra bowler or batsman. Not a difficult job. See how Sanga has done it for Sri Lanka.

tiger1000
March 11, 2013, 08:35 AM
Nah, Anamul isnt that good, he doesnt do well with turning ball's from what i have seen, jaharul isnt that good either, Mushy can still develop he is athletic and very agile.

AsifTheManRahman
March 11, 2013, 08:40 AM
Mushy has improved and if the BPL was any indication, he's the best we've got.

mufi_02
March 11, 2013, 08:53 AM
He is still the best we have. Anamul is okay and needs more experience from what I saw in BPL. Also, he is not a regular player in Test side yet. Dhiman Ghosh's keeping deteriorated while Sohan still has a long way to go.

Rubu
March 11, 2013, 08:56 AM
We invested a lot of time and energy and planning to get a wicket keeper batsman. Just when it is starting to pay off, we need to think about changing it? Why?

Mushy's keeping 3 years ago might have been a cause of concern, but just like his batting, his keeping has improved tremendously. Let him decide what he wants to do.

simon
March 11, 2013, 09:42 AM
Take a breake. Non stop batting and keeping is not a piece of cake

very true, can't overlook the fact that he has had a long match so far.
I didn't watch BD bowling today, but he is the best we have & he is improving.

cricheart
March 11, 2013, 10:15 AM
Sorry haterz, like it or not, He is the best in this business atm for Bangladesh, witness this legend in making and enjoy. Its just matter of time he will become the most liked cricketer in BD, so Ash-TI-Shakib gotta start work hard from now on to match him.

Holden
March 11, 2013, 10:33 AM
Its a huge advantage to have a keeper who can bat up in the order. Gives us the flexibility to add an extra bowler or batsman. Not a difficult job. See how Sanga has done it for Sri Lanka.

and does Sanga do it now? why did he stop if it was so easy?
Also if it's not difficult why aren't there many more that do it, can you name, say 5 more?

ReZ_1
March 11, 2013, 10:37 AM
Our fielders dropped dolly catches, it is not like you have to hold on everything after scoring 200, 100% perfection doesn't come readily, these are the stepping stones

meazz1
March 11, 2013, 11:17 AM
How long has Sanga been keeping and batting?
He just stopped keeping very recently.
How many test do we play a year? This is the very first time Mushy's been on the field all 5 days.
Lets see few more tests and and see how he manage keeping and batting, then we can talk about bringing a specialist keeper for tests.
I have seen simple sitters being dropped by Gilly, Alec Stewart and other keepers. That just part of the package.
Mushy has improved greatly and he is the best we have.

cricket_pagol
March 11, 2013, 01:39 PM
We invested a lot of time and energy and planning to get a wicket keeper batsman. Just when it is starting to pay off, we need to think about changing it? Why?

Mushy's keeping 3 years ago might have been a cause of concern, but just like his batting, his keeping has improved tremendously. Let him decide what he wants to do.

Agree with you 100%, we are reaping the reward of our investment now. Like Sangakara, he can switch to a batsman only role for the team, later in his career.

shakibrulz
March 11, 2013, 03:33 PM
Take a breake. Non stop batting and keeping for 4 day in a row is not a piece of cake. even Dhoni and Prior would struggle

You do realize this has nothing to do with today's dropped catch right? I'm primarily considering it being an advantage to his batting. And he didn't keep that bad in this test.

MohammedC
March 11, 2013, 03:38 PM
I think mushy should retire :-|

M.H.Rubel
March 11, 2013, 03:46 PM
We invested a lot of time and energy and planning to get a wicket keeper batsman. Just when it is starting to pay off, we need to think about changing it? Why?

Mushy's keeping 3 years ago might have been a cause of concern, but just like his batting, his keeping has improved tremendously. Let him decide what he wants to do.

W OW nice post.
Yes Mushy has developed a lot as a keeper. He is the country best keeper now. No one around him even.
Now need of the team and available resources will develop either as Batsman Sangakara or Keeper Dhoni in test cricket.

simon
March 11, 2013, 03:50 PM
shukhey thakley bhoot ey kilay

Hasan2k8
March 11, 2013, 04:54 PM
No. Mushys fine. Mushys the best Wk batsmen in the country.

Gowza
March 11, 2013, 05:18 PM
i don't see any better choice than mushy as keeper atm.

1. i don't think we have a better keeper at this time
2. mushy would have to bat middle order, taking the place of someone already performing

we don't know how much mushy would improve if he wasn't keeping, might be a lot, might only be a little. is it worth the risk? we probably don't have a better keeper than him, and even if we did would his better glovework be worth the loss of a spot in the batting line-up where currently that spot is taken up by someone capable of scoring a double century. if mushy can drop the gloves and average 40+ (as well as the new keeper averaging 25 minimum) then it might be worth it if we can find a better keeper.

IanW
March 11, 2013, 06:27 PM
No. Mushys fine. Mushys the best Wk batsmen in the country.

Speaking in general, I think you need to pick the best wicketkeeper. As dropped catches and missed stumpings are so expensive, whether they can bat or not is completely secondary.

Gowza
March 11, 2013, 06:38 PM
Speaking in general, I think you need to pick the best wicketkeeper. As dropped catches and missed stumpings are so expensive, whether they can bat or not is completely secondary.

yeah generally pick the best keeper but these days not many teams do that. as far as BD goes they're so use to batting to #8, mushy in the last few years, in tests especially, has been as good as anyone else batting in the top 8, either way if they are to pick a specialist keeper they'll be losing a batting spot. dhiman would have been ideal as he is decent with the bat, but his keeping has gone downhill so pretty much any specialist keeper they pick isn't going to be a very good batsman. going from comments on this forum it seems most people believe mushy is the best keeper in the country anyway, with nurul having a lot of potential to become the best gloveman and potentially a solid batsman.

Holden
March 11, 2013, 07:04 PM
Mushy's Keeping has improved a lot, at one point it was pretty atrocious, nowadays it's passable. I agree with Shakibrulz concern whether Mushy's batting would be considerably better if he wasn't keeping. For the time being there is no alternative and Mushy is pretty much the only option for the WK position but I do think for the future Nurul Hasan Sohan has the potential to be a better keeper whilst being a sound batsman. I actually rate his batting as he has made a few telling contributions when playing domestics and this can only improve with time and experience. I think he should be groomed for the WK position by being the first choice WK for the A team, Academy team and any warm up matches against touring sides. Then in around three years time, if he progresses then we can think about having Mushy as a full time batsman (and captain) whilst Sohan takes the keeping duties.
The reason I'm keen on having Mushy as a batsman only, is not really related to his lack of keeping skills but more to do with the potential improved batting. It's not really too important on the batting paradises that the team are batting on now but if we are to progress as a Test nation then we will have to play overseas on green, fast and bouncy tracks in places like SA, Aus, England, NZ etc. And it is on those pitches that batsmen are going to be truly tested and it is there where we will need players who have compact and tight techniques such as Mushfiqur's in the top order to fortify the batting line-up.

Also I can't believe some people are suggesting that Dhoni is a good wicket keeper, his keeping is one of the worst in Test cricket, Mushy is at least on par with him keeping wise if not better.

Gowza
March 11, 2013, 07:16 PM
yes i agree with grooming nurul, he should be the A team keeper that's for sure. also agree with what was said about batting on green tops, mushy has the best technique in the team atm and that's going to be important in tough conditions. also in a few years the batting might be storng enough to take a more specialist keeper, shakib, nasir and mushy are all doing quite well atm and none of them should be anywhere near their peaks so it bodes well for the future.

shakibrulz
March 12, 2013, 01:21 AM
Speaking in general, I think you need to pick the best wicketkeeper. As dropped catches and missed stumpings are so expensive, whether they can bat or not is completely secondary.
Was wondering the same. Bangladesh can't afford to have the luxury of dropped chances, lets face it, despite this match, draws are gonna come far and in between. There are many matches where had they taken their chances, they could've even possibly won the test. Even if that means losing a spot to a specialist wicket keeper.

As for Dhoni, he's a below par test keeper, probably slightly worse than Mushy.

shakibrulz
March 12, 2013, 01:23 AM
Mushy's Keeping has improved a lot, at one point it was pretty atrocious, nowadays it's passable. I agree with Shakibrulz concern whether Mushy's batting would be considerably better if he wasn't keeping. For the time being there is no alternative and Mushy is pretty much the only option for the WK position but I do think for the future Nurul Hasan Sohan has the potential to be a better keeper whilst being a sound batsman. I actually rate his batting as he has made a few telling contributions when playing domestics and this can only improve with time and experience. I think he should be groomed for the WK position by being the first choice WK for the A team, Academy team and any warm up matches against touring sides. Then in around three years time, if he progresses then we can think about having Mushy as a full time batsman (and captain) whilst Sohan takes the keeping duties.
The reason I'm keen on having Mushy as a batsman only, is not really related to his lack of keeping skills but more to do with the potential improved batting. It's not really too important on the batting paradises that the team are batting on now but if we are to progress as a Test nation then we will have to play overseas on green, fast and bouncy tracks in places like SA, Aus, England, NZ etc. And it is on those pitches that batsmen are going to be truly tested and it is there where we will need players who have compact and tight techniques such as Mushfiqur's in the top order to fortify the batting line-up.

Also I can't believe some people are suggesting that Dhoni is a good wicket keeper, his keeping is one of the worst in Test cricket, Mushy is at least on par with him keeping wise if not better.
Fair enough, I don't want anyone to be rushed into international cricket. But I'm afraid selectors are still gonna emphasize batting and totally ignore the keeping skills. Hopefully Nurul excels with the gloves and does well with the bat.

RezaA
March 12, 2013, 06:14 AM
Should Mushfiq stop being a wicket keeper?
My answer is yes. We can keep him as a specialist batsmen and as a captain. But than again don't u think it can hurt his confidence?

shakibrulz
March 12, 2013, 06:18 AM
Should Mushfiq stop being a wicket keeper?
My answer is yes. We can keep him as a specialist batsmen and as a captain. But than again don't u think it can hurt his confidence?
Why? Sanga, McCullum etc did that, it's no big deal - actually if Sanga's example is anything to go by, then I'd even further recommend it.

beshideshi
March 12, 2013, 06:21 AM
It's not a bad idea at all. Mushy should keep on keeping (!) in ODIs and T20s, but from the Galle test, you can tell why he should consider not keeping in tests. He spent almost the entirety of the test match in the field, it can take its toll on Mushy.
However, I do not see a better keeper than him at the moment, and it should be left to him to decide.

Tiger444
March 13, 2013, 10:09 PM
Ideally Mushy should take the gloves off for Tests but we just don't have a keeper that's international class. I was hopeful about Dhiman but he seems to have really lost it now. So we'll most probably have to wait until Nurul Hasan is groomed up and good to go but that'll take some time. To me, Nurul is still at the Academy level. Let him gradually develop and then he can take over for Mushy in Tests.

BANFAN
March 14, 2013, 04:14 AM
Why would we like to change his balance and spoil him, atleast let him get settled. What's the worry with his keeping now, if that wasn't a worry this long. And if he can hit a double, after keeping, why would we like to change now? Maintain the balance... Don't repair something until there is a problem.

Shaan
March 14, 2013, 05:22 AM
Why would we like to change his balance and spoil him, atleast let him get settled. What's the worry with his keeping now, if that wasn't a worry this long. And if he can hit a double, after keeping, why would we like to change now? Maintain the balance... Don't repair something until there is a problem.
yes fully agreed, and if Mushy feels the problem as a captain he knows better what to do the man who is leading the entire team on his shoulder. I really don't see any better keepers in our country at this moment than Mushy, yes there are keepers but they are not yet up to the standard as required. Some people here might object of my opinion but I don't see really any can yet replace Mushy unless Mushy himself gives up.

BD_TigerZ
March 14, 2013, 06:20 AM
I would give it a try in the odi series and see how Bijoy/Aumi does.

MohammedC
March 14, 2013, 07:34 AM
Last time Mushy gave his gloves to someone else in A team tour, he ended up injuring his shoulder going for a catch. Missed an important series against Australia in 2008. If Mushy is not keeping he should not be playing. FULL STOP.

meazz1
March 14, 2013, 08:12 AM
I would give it a try in the odi series and see how Bijoy/Aumi does.

Why do want to try someone out when the need is not there?
If we had better keeper than Mushy, I could understand.
The new keeper will require time to adjust to the international standard and any below-par performance meantime and we will scream for his head!
A perfect way to ruin someone's confidence, believe me, we fan are good at that.
Even in the WI series, we were criticizing some of Mushy's decisions and now he is the best after a double century!