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Jadukor
March 17, 2013, 10:59 PM
We have been debating about Nazmul vs Abul vs Razzak vs Sunny etc etc but regardless of which players we prefer, it seems the present Selectors have other ideas.

So if you were the Selector and all players were fit, which four specialist bowlers + Shakib would you go with from the current resources? Please exclude Mash because he doesn't play tests any more.

I would select the following
1. Nazmul Hossain (avg 38.8 per wkt, econ 3.53)
2. Taskin Ahmed (avg 29 per wkt, Econ 3.17 in First Class matches)
3. Gazi (avg 41 per wkt, Econ 3.17)
4. Enamul (avg 39 per wkt, Econ 3.04)
5. Shakib (avg 32 per wkt, Econ 2.86)

I chose the above for their wicket taking ability and good control over keeping things tight. The only question mark is Taskin because he is very young but if we can try Abul then we can try Taskin as well imo. I think these guys are our best chance to get 20 wkts in Tests.

please share your bowling attack here

Rifat
March 17, 2013, 11:20 PM
Agree 100%. However, Taskin Ahmed i will only bring him in if he can be used for shorter spells, not more than 5 overs per spell. Same with Nazmul. I would also keep Rubel.

BD_TigerZ
March 17, 2013, 11:26 PM
1. Nazmul/Sajidul (for now) then Taskin when more developed.
2. Rubel
3. Gazi
4. Enamul Jnr
5. Shakib

This to me is a strong bowling attack pacers have pace and can keep it tight to some point + world class spinners.

al-Sagar
March 17, 2013, 11:29 PM
amake chance na dile khelbo na

BD_TigerZ
March 17, 2013, 11:41 PM
exclude Mash because he doesn't play tests any more.

You should add shafiul to that list as he has some recuring shoulder or back issue and wont be able to play tests no more.

Gowza
March 18, 2013, 01:12 AM
i think it's a bit early for taskin, he's still raw, inexperienced and young. it's not like he's completely ripping through all the domestic line-ups, he's just been pretty solid. i'd just be worried that his body won't hold up and that would be bad for the future.

i think it's tough to pick the pacers because nazmul, who we all think would do better than the current ones hasn't been given a chance recently, he's been out of test cricket for awhile. rubel didn't have a great start to tests but looks to be starting to come good. abul hasn't done well but it's still early days for him. sajidul has been out of test cricket awhile but he's been doing well domestically and then there's guys like babu, kamrul's etc who have potential. we shouldn't forget shafiul either but with injuries he needs to play some matches after coming back and prove he deserves his spot.

i think maybe for now go with nazmul and rubel. give nazmul a couple of series to see what he's got and give rubel a couple more to see if he can keep up his recent test performances.

as far as spin goes i think it's a no brainer to have gazi and shakib. the 3rd spin spot can go to enamul or maybe sajib with sunny, razzak and m.rubel also in consideration.

ahnaf
March 18, 2013, 02:11 AM
i would go with Rubel,Robiul,Nazmul,Gazi,Enam and Shakib. Robiul has impressed me very much.
Even though he didnot not bowl a outstanding spell, he is improving everyday. His bowling getting better day by day.

Rinathq
March 18, 2013, 02:28 AM
Nazmul
Rubel
Enamul
Gazi
Shak

Others: Robiul, Elias, Saqlain

IanW
March 18, 2013, 02:44 AM
For what sort of pitch ?

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 02:50 AM
For what sort of pitch ?

mine was irrespective of pitch conditions but if you have separate attacks in mind then feel free to share.

jeesh
March 18, 2013, 03:32 AM
We have been debating about Nazmul vs Abul vs Razzak vs Sunny etc etc but regardless of which players we prefer, it seems the present Selectors have other ideas.

So if you were the Selector and all players were fit, which four specialist bowlers + Shakib would you go with from the current resources? Please exclude Mash because he doesn't play tests any more.

I would select the following
1. Nazmul Hossain (avg 38.8 per wkt, econ 3.53)
2. Taskin Ahmed (avg 29 per wkt, Econ 3.17 in First Class matches)
3. Gazi (avg 41 per wkt, Econ 3.17)
4. Enamul (avg 39 per wkt, Econ 3.04)
5. Shakib (avg 32 per wkt, Econ 2.86)

I chose the above for their wicket taking ability and good control over keeping things tight. The only question mark is Taskin because he is very young but if we can try Abul then we can try Taskin as well imo. I think these guys are our best chance to get 20 wkts in Tests.

please share your bowling attack here


You have got it absolutely right brother. This would make a formidable lineup.

Thing is our selectors often dont value the concept of balance. The bowling attack must have balance, each bowler must complement the others strengths and make up for their weaknesses. Imo its pointless playing both Shahadat and Rubel or Abul and Shahadat. Both dont have the accuracy or consistency to put pressure. They will leak runs from both ends giving the batsmen a lot of confidence. On the other hand if you plug someone like Nazmul, he can keep it tight. Even if he doesnt pick wickets he will keep it so tight it will give opportunities for the others. I remember Tuffey used to play this role for Shane Bond. Kulasekera currently plays this role for SL.

Enamul, and Shakib are world class-two of the best SLA's in the world. Add Gazi to the list we have three very potent spinners. Good variety.

But this is how our selectors will think. There is grass so lets play three quicks, lets pick Shahadat, Rubel and Abul. They have pace, so they ll do a good job. Also they will say since Shakib is there no need to take a second specialist spinner. Thats our downfall. We dont play to our strengths, we think too much about tradition, convention and the wicket. We get lost in all that. Akram Khan & co should read Sun Tzu. If they dont understand that, at least read our history and how we fought the war in 1971. As a David you dont win by being conventional.

22Yards
March 18, 2013, 03:35 AM
I am just waiting to see shakib gazi and enam attack for tests. That would be deadly. For pacers does not really matter. Abul can only get better from here, rubel is ok but i thought he was better before injury. There is taskin who should be eased in. Nazmul definitely should get more chances.

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 06:42 AM
I am so glad that popular Nazmul within fans, is not the favorite ahead of Abul/Rubel/Robiul by the current brain trust.

I am the minority here, but Abul/Rubel/Robiul/Taskin/Shafiul are the future, not Nazmul. Nazmul's future is "now" with very limited ceiling........and even for "now", injury prone nazmul will just be a short gap solution in ODI team, forget about test.

Obviously the current brain-trust decided to go for a master plan to build a new core of young FBs and I am all for it....Abul/Rubel/Robiul/Taskin/Shafiul... we need all of them plus some more.... but the days of Shahadat/Nazmul/Mashrafee are over for different reasons for TEST and limited role in ODI.

I don't see how Nazmul can play a role in near future for our team. So no point wasting time on him ahead of Abul/Rubel/Robiul/Taskin/Shafiul.

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 06:55 AM
Nazmul is just 25... He has at least 10 years ahead of him

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 07:01 AM
Nazmul is just 25... He has at least 10 years ahead of him

But injury prone Nazmul is too slow for my choice... as I said most people will not agree with me. I don't see he will gain more speed at this stage. He is a glorified version of Rasel. He could have been a very good addition for us four years ago... now with so much possibilities ahead of us.... I don't see how Nazmul will fit in our national TEST team for future.

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 07:16 AM
You are right most people will not agree with you

Equinox
March 18, 2013, 07:18 AM
Nazmul Hossain
Rubel Hossain
Abul Hasan/Saqlain Shajib (depending on pitch)
Shohag Gazi
Shakib Al Hasan

Squad: Abul/Shajib, Robiul, Enamul jnr.

Nadim
March 18, 2013, 07:21 AM
1) Rubel
2) Taskin
3) Shakib
4) Gazi
5) any other SLA other than Sunny


This is what I wanna see for the first test against Zimbabwe :)
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Equinox
March 18, 2013, 07:22 AM
But injury prone Nazmul is too slow for my choice... as I said most people will not agree with me. I don't see he will gain more speed at this stage. He is a glorified version of Rasel. He could have been a very good addition for us four years ago... now with so much possibilities ahead of us.... I don't see how Nazmul will fit in our national TEST team for future.
You just displayed our selectors' mentality. Pick the squad on potential rather than actual performance. Even if Nazmul does not take wickets at the very least he will not leak runs which will allow the other bowlers to attack. If he can give us 15 overs of economical bowling it gives Shakib/Gazi some respite from bowling those protracted spells.

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 07:55 AM
You just displayed our selectors' mentality. Pick the squad on potential rather than actual performance.

Yes you are 100% right... I agree with the selectors here with a twist here. While you and some fans see no results, I see indications of progress in these young FBs. And that's enough for me to trust on these players and trust on the selectors in this aspect.

Regardless how much we like to ridicule our selectors and coach, I trust more on them about potential evaluation than the fans here.... no offense to the fans here.



Even if Nazmul does not take wickets at the very least he will not leak runs which will allow the other bowlers to attack. If he can give us 15 overs of economical bowling it gives Shakib/Gazi some respite from bowling those protracted spells.

If that is your goal in TEST, then you may make a case. But if that's not what you expect from your FBs in TEST team moving forward, then Nazmul has not much to provide in test team beyond stop gap solution. Moving forward, my expectation from our FBs are much more than just a conainting bowler role.

Now if you are looking for a containing bowler in ODI, that's a different case. We are not talking about ODI, right?

Even in ODI, if you are the containing bowler,you need to make up with your batting which he doesn't...that's why he may not be a permanent ODI solution also... he will always stay as a reserve or a 3rd option.

Also based on his injury history, I doubt how long he will be available if he plays TEST.

jeesh
March 18, 2013, 08:36 AM
Disagree with you Fazal.

Firstly careers dont end at 25. Do you know Kulasekera is 30, Eranga is 26, Lakmal is 26, Welagedara is 31.

Secondly containing is also very important in tests. Test cricket is all about building pressure. You choke the flow of runs, keep them in check and wait for the batsman to lose concentration and patience and then strike. Bowlers like Abul, Rubel, Shahadat even Shafiul tend to bowl three good line/length deliveries, then they put one short or wide and get punished. The good work they did with the three previous deliveries are of no use.

I dont think everyones in love with Nazmul as you might think. We just need to have a bowler with discipline in the lineup. Someone who sticks to the basics and bowls in the correct areas consistently. Someone who can bowl 5-6 overs in a row not giving away runs, allowing the bowler in the other end to attack. Being a lesser team we cannot attack on both ends. We need to strike a balance. Guys like Nazmul can provide that. Just see how beautifully Sri Lanka uses Kulasekera. Barring his inswingers he doesnt have much skill. He just sticks to the basics, bowls in the channel and allows guys like Malinga, Eranga, etc to attack. This is what we often fail to understand

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 08:36 AM
You are right most people will not agree with you

And I am so glad that team is not selected based on fan's popularity contest.:)

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 08:55 AM
Disagree with you Fazal.

Firstly careers dont end at 25. Do you know Kulasekera is 30, Eranga is 26, Lakmal is 26, Welagedara is 31.

That's not what I said. You don't gain speed when you are already 25. As I said before Nazmul is too slow for me specially for TEST. He may have some role for some specific case, but very limited role.


Secondly containing is also very important in tests. Test cricket is all about building pressure. You choke the flow of runs, keep them in check and wait for the batsman to lose concentration and patience and then strike.

For some pitch, you need to create pressure from your core FBs. If you need a container bowler, you use your sudo all-rounders for that in your team. With the new ball, I don't want a specialied bowler as my container bowler, I like an attacking fast bowler to start my innings.

You can get away with your containing bowler in ODI, but not in test. You need your strike bowlers in TEST. Now whether Abul/Robiul/Rubel/Shafiul are your true strike bowlers or not, we will find out within a year or so. Nazmul is not a strike bowler in my opinion.




Bowlers like Abul, Rubel, Shahadat even Shafiul tend to bowl three good line/length deliveries, then they put one short or wide and get punished. The good work they did with the three previous deliveries are of no use.

Two things I have to say...

You just need one good ball to get a wicket.

2nd point: Abul, Rubel, Shafiul, Robiul are all young and still learning...i am willing to give them some time here... if some of them fail over time (which some will do), we get the next new breed of FBs on the line...we need to move forward... not move backward.

If you have read my comment, I didn't included Shahdat in my list intentionally . He had plenty of opportunity and he failed to show constant improvement.... its time to move forward with other prospects. Shahadat is still young but I gave up hope on him.



I dont think everyones in love with Nazmul as you might think. We just need to have a bowler with discipline in the lineup. Someone who sticks to the basics and bowls in the correct areas consistently. Someone who can bowl 5-6 overs in a row not giving away runs, allowing the bowler in the other end to attack. Being a lesser team we cannot attack on both ends. We need to strike a balance. Guys like Nazmul can provide that. Just see how beautifully Sri Lanka uses Kulasekera. Barring his inswingers he doesnt have much skill. He just sticks to the basics, bowls in the channel and allows guys like Malinga, Eranga, etc to attack. This is what we often fail to understand

few points...

Nazmul will not bowl against BD players, he will have to bowl against the best of the world, so I don't see a containing bowler in TEST will make any difference as some of you thinks. They don't make stupid mistakes like our batsman.

I also think unlike ODI, containing bowling have limited impact in test. In ODI containing bowler can create too much pressure to the batman, but not so in TEST, unless its going for a draw and the opponent is running out of overs.

btw here is what our bowlers gave in 1st innings:

<table id="inningsBowl2" class="inningsTable"><tbody><tr class="inningsRow"></tr><tr class="inningsRow"><td class="inningsIcon">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/col_ps.gif</td> <td class="playerName">Robiul Islam (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-bangladesh-2013/content/player/227455.html)</td> <td class="bowlingDetails" style="padding-right: 10px">15</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">1</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">52</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">2</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">3.46</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">(7nb)</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr class="inningsRow"> <td class="inningsIcon">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/col_ps.gif</td> <td class="playerName">Sohag Gazi (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-bangladesh-2013/content/player/444135.html)</td> <td class="bowlingDetails" style="padding-right: 10px">39</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">4</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">111</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">3</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">2.84</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr class="inningsRow"> <td class="inningsIcon">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/col_ps.gif</td> <td class="playerName">Abul Hasan (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-bangladesh-2013/content/player/373439.html)</td> <td class="bowlingDetails" style="padding-right: 10px">23</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">4</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">80</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">2</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">3.47</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">(1w)</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr class="inningsRow"> <td class="inningsIcon">http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/col_ps.gif</td> <td class="playerName">Rubel Hossain (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-bangladesh-2013/content/player/300619.html)</td> <td class="bowlingDetails" style="padding-right: 10px">17</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">5</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">45</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">2</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">2.64</td> <td class="bowlingDetails">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
I don't see how much better Nazmul would have done, containing the run.

mufi_02
March 18, 2013, 09:01 AM
I would select the following
1. Nazmul Hossain (avg 38.8 per wkt, econ 3.53)
2. Taskin Ahmed (avg 29 per wkt, Econ 3.17 in First Class matches)
3. Gazi (avg 41 per wkt, Econ 3.17)
4. Enamul (avg 39 per wkt, Econ 3.04)
5. Shakib (avg 32 per wkt, Econ 2.86)


Good strong bowling line up but then its not balanced when batting is taking into consideration --

Tamim
2nd useless opener
Ash/Marshall
Shakib
Mominul
Mushy
Nasir
Riyad
Gazi
Enamul
Taskin
Nazmul

That's a 12 men team. Don' know who can we drop from the team. Otherwise the tail would be too long (gazi,enam,nazmul,taskin). I think we can get 2 pacers and shakib + gazi.

jeesh
March 18, 2013, 09:09 AM
You do realize because we have such "attacking" bowlers we have to often bring in spinners inside the first ten overs with the new ball. In tests and also in ODI's

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 09:22 AM
You do realize because we have such "attacking" bowlers we have to often bring in spinners inside the first ten overs with the new ball. In tests and also in ODI's

Yes I do. But do you think Nazmul (instead of any of those three) would change that? Mushfiq would still go for spinner in that particular case.


All three are still young and unproven, give them time, some of them will come out with enough success and eventually trust from Rahim over time.

In ODI, its a different case : even PAk with three quality FBs sometimes they start with spinner. Its a new strategy for some sort of wickets.

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 09:38 AM
And I am so glad that team is not selected based on fan's popularity contest.:)
Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that you can think like a BD selector:)

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 09:46 AM
Good strong bowling line up but then its not balanced when batting is taking into consideration --

Tamim
2nd useless opener
Ash/Marshall
Shakib
Mominul
Mushy
Nasir
Riyad
Gazi
Enamul
Taskin
Nazmul

That's a 12 men team. Don' know who can we drop from the team. Otherwise the tail would be too long (gazi,enam,nazmul,taskin). I think we can get 2 pacers and shakib + gazi.
I believe batting depth till number 7 is good enough for a good test side. The number 8 spot which we are giving to Ryad should be given to a bowling all rounder or a specialist bowler. If you look at other teams, every one is using four specialist bowlers. Just because we have Shakib doesn't mean we need to make him carry the fourth bowlers workload. His knee has broken down precisely because of the heavy workload. The main problem is we are unable to take 20 wkts with are current combinations so going with a bowling heavy side and giving more responsibility to the top six batters might be the right move.

Fazal
March 18, 2013, 09:54 AM
Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that your thought process matches that of BD selectors:)

About Ian, yes I know that. I took that into the consideration also. I value his comment and I respect him as a coach, but I also [am entitled to my own POV as a fan]

I also trust on JS. [] If JS sees more into players like Abul/Rubel/Robiul than Nazmul, its ok with me.

About BCB, I really like their change of policy about bringing new faces and creating new challenges... that part I support. Actually I am liking their selections more than ever. That's why you don't see too many complains from me to the selectors/BCB from me now a days....I like their moves.

What can I say... I cannot just complain out of habit.... I need to disgree with them... they are making changes that I may not be expecting.... but they are backing up with some positive results....how can I complain?

All the new players are showing some kind of improvements over time (limited time) so far.

Jadukor
March 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?

Tiger Manc
March 18, 2013, 11:00 AM
On spin friendly pitches, Shakib, Enam and Gazi would be lethal. From the pacers I'd go with Rubel and Nazmul.

jeesh
March 18, 2013, 12:36 PM
I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?
Has to be gut feel because Abul has nothing to show in first class cricket, nor has he been exposed to A team cricket. His spells in BPL 1 did the trick where he was bowling between 135-140 kph.

Rubels selection is understandable, Robiul has done well in domestic cricket. Shahadats selection is a little queer because there is nothing that he offers, and he seems to have unlearned the good things as he got more experience.

Gowza
March 18, 2013, 05:42 PM
Has to be gut feel because Abul has nothing to show in first class cricket, nor has he been exposed to A team cricket. His spells in BPL 1 did the trick where he was bowling between 135-140 kph.

Rubels selection is understandable, Robiul has done well in domestic cricket. Shahadats selection is a little queer because there is nothing that he offers, and he seems to have unlearned the good things as he got more experience.

i assume shahadat is selected based on his overall test record, his test record isn't great but it's better than the others plus he's got 5fers and 4fers, though if they noticed properly they'd realise he has been just as bad as the others over the last few years.

nazmul should be picked, it's really a no brainer, he's got a decent chunk of international experience even if it is in ODIs, but the the thing about nazmul is his test record is really good (by BD standards) and he's the most likely to bowl a good line and length consistently and that's what the pace attack needs atm.

as far as abul bowling 135-140 in BPL 1, if they're just going for pace why not pick kamrul, more experienced, better record.

how fast does sajidul bowl? swings it both ways, left armer, had a good domestic FC season, a good overall FC record and as far as i though he also bowled 135-140. shafiul also bowls in that range, taskin to.

Tiger444
March 18, 2013, 06:02 PM
I don't want to make excuses for the selectors but maybe because of fitness issues, Shafiul and Nazmul are not considered for Tests? They do have issues with injuries which is probably 1 reason they are not considered. Also another reason Nazmul is not considered is because they rate him more as a backup pacer. Once Mash and Shafiul are fit, knowing how our selectors operate, we might see Nazmul getting dropped.

Guys like Abul, Robiul and Shahadat are more well built with stronger arms, chest, and shoulders which is why they can bowl longer spells compared to the likes of Nazmul and Shafiul who are on thin side.

BD_TigerZ
March 18, 2013, 11:23 PM
Tamim
Bijoy
Ash/Marshall
Mominul
Shakib
Mushy
Nasir
Gazi
Enam jr
Taskin
Rubel

ahnaf
March 19, 2013, 01:13 AM
yeah..let the 19 years old kid play test and make another carbon copy of mash. Disgusting. This kid didnot even played ODI cricket yet and people want him to play test. :facepalm:

ahnaf
March 19, 2013, 01:18 AM
I am not really sure what induces the Selectors to pick Abul and Shahadat in the national team. Do they have a first class record that shows proven ability to take wickets? Even Rubel's record is bad in FC cricket. So what is it that the selectors go with when they select Shahadat and Abul in particular. Is it a gut feeling from Akram Khan? Is it because they can send half trackers down faster then others? What really is their magic?

What options really we have? Mash,Shafi both injured. Nazmul also need operation to be fully fit. Whom do you want to select? Atleast these players are playing international cricket for a while.

Gowza
March 19, 2013, 01:26 AM
What options really we have? Mash,Shafi both injured. Nazmul also need operation to be fully fit. Whom do you want to select? Atleast these players are playing international cricket for a while.

There are some domestic performers like sajidul, dolar, kamrul's, babu, Abu zayed, al Amin who haven't been given many if any chances.

NoName
March 19, 2013, 01:29 AM
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ahnaf
March 19, 2013, 01:34 AM
There are some domestic performers like sajidul, dolar, kamrul's, babu, Abu zayed, al Amin who haven't been given many if any chances.
Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.

Jadukor
March 19, 2013, 02:27 AM
Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.
The requirements of TEST cricket and limited overs cricket are quite different. Case in point is Abdur Razzak who is a very good limited overs bowler but hasn't had success in Tests. On the same token Enamul Hq Jr. might go for runs in ODIs but proves to be very effective in FC cricket.

Why can't we do a standard process:
-where we select from the top performers of the Domestic four day tournaments?
-never select anyone who doesn't have a solid FC record

Night_wolf
March 19, 2013, 02:42 AM
The requirements of TEST cricket and limited overs cricket are quite different. Case in point is Abdur Razzak who is a very good limited overs bowler but hasn't had success in Tests. On the same token Enamul Hq Jr. might go for runs in ODIs but proves to be very effective in FC cricket.

Why can't we do a standard process:
-where we select from the top performers of the Domestic four day tournaments?
-never select anyone who doesn't have a solid FC record

shakib's FC record wasn't that good..i think we should combine potential and FC record for picking players

Ian Pont
March 19, 2013, 02:58 AM
Yes what do the BC fans know anyways. Ian Pont was also probably trying to win the popularity contest. Good for you that you can think like a BD selector:)

Interesting comment. I don't care about being popular, bhai, or I would be desperate to work with England.

You know very little about me, my passions, beliefs, intentions or what I care about. Most comments here are made based on ignorance and guesswork, not knowledge. But please don't assume you know me when you have no idea what you are talking about

Gowza
March 19, 2013, 03:13 AM
Dont mention his name. This guy is totally crap.
btw,i dont think its a good idea to play a test with a bunch of debutantes who didnot played international cricket at all. At first let them play ODI or T20, if they perform there then pick them for Test.

might be crap but has a better record than the ones playing. anyway as far as playing debutantes, i'm not suggesting to introduce them all at once but if they had trialled one or more of these guys instead of constantly going back to shahadat then we'd have a few more experienced pacers right now.

Jadukor
March 19, 2013, 03:24 AM
Interesting comment. I don't care about being popular, bhai, or I would be desperate to work with England.

You know very little about me, my passions, beliefs, intentions or what I care about. Most comments here are made based on ignorance and guesswork, not knowledge. But please don't assume you know me when you have no idea what you are talking about

Ian I was being sarcastic. Read the conversation before with Fazal and you will get the whole picture of what i was trying to say. I tried to defend Nazmul. I brought in your name to defend him as i believe you have faith in his ability too.

Ian Pont
March 19, 2013, 03:31 AM
Ian I was being sarcastic. Read the conversation before with Fazal and you will get the whole picture of what i was trying to say. I tried to defend Nazmul. I brought in your name to defend him as i believe you have faith in his ability too.

Didn't get that.

jeesh
March 19, 2013, 03:33 AM
shakib's FC record wasn't that good..i think we should combine potential and FC record for picking players
Absolutely, both need to be considered. But first class shouldnt be disregarded. Any player coming into the test team must have at least 3-4 years of first class experience and at least a few A Team tours.

Sohel
March 19, 2013, 04:00 AM
I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.

jeesh
March 19, 2013, 04:39 AM
I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.

Well said :up:

shakibrulz
March 19, 2013, 05:05 AM
I'd go with 2 specialist spinners (Sohag and Enam) alongside Shakib for spin friendly pitches. I have faith in Raju and will give him the new ball with Rubel running in from the other end.

For faster pitches, I'd drop Enam and add Taskin.

We can get 20 wickets with that wicket hungry bowling attack without waiting for too many unforced batting errors, provided our fielding is top notch and aggressive when required.
Three pacers is a no-no. I don't still trust Abul with the new ball, and the fact that Robiul outbowled him doesn't inspire any confidence either.
Go with one or max two pacers - preferably Rubel and Shafi/Nazmul and hopefully Taskin in the future. Regardless of the pitch, always play two specialist spinners with Shakib - that's your strength and don't think opting for more mediocre fast bowling is going to help.

beshideshi
March 19, 2013, 09:48 AM
I have noticed one thing, the natural length of our pacers seem to be too short. I reckon it could be due to the fact that we play on low pitches all our lives, and have to bit a bit shorter to get the ball in the 'uncomfortable' zone. Bowling full, even in swinging conditions, seems to be of second nature to our pacers. Whoever is coaching us, hopefully has a look at the natural length of the pacers.

And as I said before, I am still not sold on any of our pacers. I don't think Abul, Robiul, Shahadat or Rubel are of test standards. Rubel maybe pushing towards becoming one, but the rest are just stop gap solutions. So there is no way on earth Bangladesh should be playing 3 pacers, regardless of the condition.

I would go with Shakib, Enamul, Gazi, Rubel and Shafiul in tests. I think these 5 are the best bowlers in the country and would make a decent attack.

jeesh
March 19, 2013, 09:56 AM
Pleased with how Robiul Islam did. Sarwar Imran had praised Robiuls work ethic, saying the guy had terrific stamina and is willing to work very hard. We saw that in this test. Theres something wrong with his action. If he can work it out, and improve his accuracy he could be a very valuable bowler. The type of role Siddle plays for the Aussies.

@beshideshi not just the length, even the line is way too inconsistent. This requires pure old fashioned hard work. Put markers on practice pitch and keep trying to bowl in the right areas. Practice day and night and get metronomic accuracy. Southee does this beautifully for New Zealand and Philander for South Africa. They dont give anything to the batsman, always attacking the stumps.

Fazal
March 20, 2013, 02:01 PM
I think its not about wheather Abul or Rubel or Robiul or Shafiul or Taskin or some one new on the line. I think at this point its all of them plus more. We need to create a core group of 5/6 young FBs that we can rotate and keep them fresh, healthy and hungry.

I gave up hope on Shahadat and don't consider Nazmul as our long term fast bowling solution and therefore intentionally kept them out of my list.

al Furqaan
March 20, 2013, 02:14 PM
I actuallly rate Robiul the best out of the current stock. Hopefully Rubel continues to develop. Time to blood in Taskin and at least get a core group as has already been said.

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2013, 02:37 PM
I cry in pain every time I come to this thread.

Gowza
March 20, 2013, 05:04 PM
I actuallly rate Robiul the best out of the current stock. Hopefully Rubel continues to develop. Time to blood in Taskin and at least get a core group as has already been said.

well 2 wickets each innings for the 2nd test on pretty good batting track, if he can get 2 wickets every innings that's more useful than the pacers we've had before, plus that's 4 wickets per match which is quite good. reckon he's earned his spot in the zim series.

cricket_pagol
March 20, 2013, 09:49 PM
After shakib's return, i pretty sure selectors will go towards 3 bowlers + shakib combination, so that they can play an extra batsman. Unfortunately for us, we will miss out on the opportunity to develop a bowler, at cost of giving exposure to a bits and pieces batsman.

I hope the selectors will prove me wrong.

Zeeshan
March 20, 2013, 10:06 PM
I cry in pain every time I come to this thread.

blah logic: if you really cared for the bowlers, you'd pick up a ball and make the nationals..

al Furqaan
March 20, 2013, 10:26 PM
Seamers = Robiul > Abul = Rubel > Taskin
Spinners = Shakib > Gazi > Enamul

Fazal
March 22, 2013, 06:50 AM
Nazmul is too much injury prone for last few years. He need to address his fitness issue first then come back in ODI before thinking about TEST, which he need to play 5 days.

jeesh
March 23, 2013, 10:40 AM
I know this thread is for test bowling, but this is what happens when you have erratic pace bowlers. We ll be better off having medium pacers who can keep it tight than bowlers like Rubel and Abul

Fazal
March 23, 2013, 09:11 PM
So, where are our so called tight bowlers for the ODI?

They are either all injured or out of form. Suddenly Zia emerged in this game. Is he a fluke or real? Too early to tell.

jeesh
March 23, 2013, 09:57 PM
No i have seen him bowl before. He usually keeps it very tight and mixes it up with a lot of off cutters. He becomes even more effective when Mushfiq stands up to the stumps.

I read BCB called up Shahadat Hossian to replace Nazmul. Its as if they are giving the guy a holiday. What good is he going to do.

I really hope we play Mosharraf instead of one of Abul/Rubel and give the new ball to Zia. We ll be better of pllaying 3 frontline spinners.

Jadukor
March 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
No i have seen him bowl before. He usually keeps it very tight and mixes it up with a lot of off cutters. He becomes even more effective when Mushfiq stands up to the stumps.

I read BCB called up Shahadat Hossian to replace Nazmul. Its as if they are giving the guy a holiday. What good is he going to do.

I really hope we play Mosharraf instead of one of Abul/Rubel and give the new ball to Zia. We ll be better of pllaying 3 frontline spinners.

We have kept on giving chances to Shafiul, Rubel, Shahadat and Abul without seeing any improvement in skills over the years. Where are the tight bowlers? Well why don't we identify from the FC cricket and bring them to the camp to find out? Domestic cricket standard is pretty poor but the pacers we pick like Rubel and Abul doesnt even have a good domestic record.

Gowza
March 23, 2013, 10:10 PM
We have kept on giving chances to Shafiul, Rubel, Shahadat and Abul without seeing any improvement in skills over the years. Where are the tight bowlers? Well why don't we identify from the FC cricket and bring them to the camp to find out? Domestic cricket standard is pretty poor but the pacers we pick like Rubel and Abul doesnt even have a good domestic record.

obviously the selectors think the only way to be successful at the international level is pace, did they forget syed rasel's exploits earlier in his career? in ODIs especially slower bowlers with swing, seam and variations can be very very effective. but it comes down to consistent good line and length. need to try sajidul, babu and kamrul's or even abu jayed and al amin.

jeesh
March 23, 2013, 10:31 PM
Whole system is at fault. How can you on your right mind call up Shahadat knowing his record in ODI's. Just tells you about the mindset of our selectors