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bd_cricket
April 8, 2004, 05:03 PM
BBC Bangla Service has done a survey on its listeners and found the following order for all time best Bangalees.
Every day they are declaring one name and so far they went down to number seven.
Here is the list.

30. Polli Kobi Jasimuddin
29. Masterda Surya Sen
28. (Jointly) Deshbondhu Chittaranjan Das & Saurav Ganguli
27. Jeebonananda Das
26. Sheikh Hasina
25. Shilpacharya Zainal Abedeen
24. Golam Azam (??!!)
23. Sharat Chandra Chatterjee
22. Gen. Ataul Gani Osmani
21. Banga-beer Abdul Quader Siddiqui
20. Hossain Shaheed Suhrawardi
19. Ziaur Rahman
18. Ateesh Deepankar
17. Shwami Vivekananda
16. Dr. Muhammad Shaheedullah
15. All 1952 Bhasha Shaheeds
14. Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen
13. Satyajeet Roy
12. Lalan Shah
11. Teetumir
10. Raja Rammohan Roy
09. Maolana Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani
08. Eeshyar Chandra Vidyasagar
07. Sir Jagadeesh Chandra Basu

The name on #24 is really painful and might lose the respect for this list.

Speculation for the next six names (not in order):
All 1971 shaheeds and freedom fighters, Shubhash Bose, A. K. Fazlul Haque, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Quazi Nazrul Islam, Rabindranath Tagore

reverse_swing
April 8, 2004, 05:45 PM
who cares?

Rubu
April 8, 2004, 06:15 PM
the #24 can be #1 or two, if the list is about the worst bangalee. first may be mir jafor. i'm not sure, they both will have a neck to neck chance of winning. but i really don't understand how it came in this list.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by AgentSmith : as usual: spell. by any change we can have spell checker?]

Navarene
April 8, 2004, 08:29 PM
It would have been nice to see the name of Nirad C Choudhary (http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/C_0159.htm) on the list. And finding #24 has lost all the credibilities of the survey.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Navarene]

reverse_swing
April 8, 2004, 08:46 PM
I just want to know how many people gave their vote for this survey. BBC iteslf has no credibilities.

abhs
April 8, 2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
Speculation for the next six names (not in order):
All 1971 shaheeds and freedom fighters, Shubhash Bose, A. K. Fazlul Haque, Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Quazi Nazrul Islam, Rabindranath Tagore

The sixth name has been Begum Rokeya. Also the name Shubash Bose might not appear in the list.

AsifTheManRahman
April 8, 2004, 11:22 PM
Golam Azam??!!!

What the ****!!!

Piranha
April 8, 2004, 11:33 PM
# 26 doesnt inspire much confidence in the list either...

zakir
April 8, 2004, 11:46 PM
Navareen is right. Golam Azam should be #1 from the bottom.

In my opinion Some other great Bengalis are (in addition to the names already
mentioned):

Fazlur Rahmal Khan (Structural Engineer
of Sears Tower)
Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee
Ustad Alauddin Khan
Ali Akbar Khan
Ravi Shankar
Niaz Morshed
Dr. Muhammad Yunus
Pritilata Waddadar
Modhushudon Dutta
Dr. Quazi Motahar Hossain
Samad (football player)

abhs
April 8, 2004, 11:50 PM
Kudrat-e-Khuda also deserves a position in the list.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by abhs : spelling]

Shubho
April 9, 2004, 12:55 AM
not a single woman, apart from sheikh hasina...how pathetic.

begum rokeya, anyone?

chinaman
April 9, 2004, 01:04 AM
How about Jahanara Imam?

BTW, if Golam can make it why not Taslima?

abhs
April 9, 2004, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by Shubho
not a single woman, apart from sheikh hasina...how pathetic.

begum rokeya, anyone?

Begum Rokeya has been the sixth in the list.

Actually, BBC started from the position 20, (not 30). However, they have mentioned other positions from 30 to 21 oneday. Possibly number of votes were very few and from statistical view point, they do not have much values.

For a change, can we know what more female names you have in mind, which might be included in the list?

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by abhs : spell]

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by abhs : again spell!]

bd_cricket
April 9, 2004, 01:12 AM
Zaheer Raihan should have been there.

abhs
April 9, 2004, 01:12 AM
Thanks chinaman... for some names. Anymore from Shubho?

Zunaid
April 9, 2004, 01:35 AM
Interesting question posed by Shubho....

Who are the notable Bengali women?

Some off the top of my head:

Begum Rokeya (Author, Feminist)
Begum Sufiya Kamal (Author, Activitist)
Mahasweta Devi (Author)
Pritilata Waddadar (Chittagong Uprising)
Jahanara Imam (Author, Activitist)
Kalpana Dutta (Chittagong Uprising)
Irene Khan (Activist, Amnesty)
Unsung Heroines of 1971
Jhumpa Lahiri (Author)
Arundhati Roy (/1/2 Bengali, Author, Activitist)
Angela Gomez (of Bachte Shekha, Activist)
Justice Nazmun Ara Sultana (Bangladesh HC, ruled against Fatwa)
Advocate Sigma Huda (Lawyer, Activist - first female lawyer)
Dr. Neelima Ibrahim (Activitist)
Begum Razia Khan (Activist)
Rabeya Bhuiyan (Lawyer)
Barrister Salma Sobhan (Ain-O-Salish Kendra, Lawyer, Social worker)
And I forgot the name of the lady who swam the English Channel so many years ago.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Zunaid]

Shubho
April 9, 2004, 02:19 AM
zunaid bhai has mentioned most of the important women in our society. i especially feel that sufiya kamal and jahanara imam should have been somewhere on that list.

fab
April 9, 2004, 03:47 AM
Irene Khan?

oracle
April 9, 2004, 03:58 AM
Suchitra Sen and Uttam Kumar.

Why do bangalis pack their lists with a lot of dead serious people and frightfully dominated by the inevitable politician.
Americans regulary and inevitably will include a healthy bunch of good looking actors and actresses. With a healthy dose of new and teeny candidates.
So why not us?:)

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by oracle]

Zunaid
April 9, 2004, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by fab
Irene Khan?

Aaah. Thanks Fab. I had Irene as Yasmin on my list. Am editing it.

Orpheus
April 9, 2004, 02:28 PM
I thought the list started from 20 as well like abh said. The rest do not count... Sheik Hasina.. Please! above 20 are dudh bhat.

I have been following this one too.....

Mujib hasn't been mentioned yet.. that means he will be from 1-5! He might be 3 or even 2:)

Tagore will obviously be numero uno... Nazrul 2 or 3? come on ppl predict the positon! It's fun...

zakir
April 9, 2004, 03:00 PM
Shotten Bose (Physics) should be in the top ten in my opinion.

AsifTheManRahman
April 9, 2004, 03:12 PM
How about the Bir Sreshthas?

And also Sirajuddowla...

abhs
April 9, 2004, 09:38 PM
The 5th has been Shubhas Bose. My early speculation that he may not get a place in top 5 has been wrong.

Now the list has come to an interesting stage. Only 4 places remianing, but still many possible names.

say
April 9, 2004, 09:55 PM
any prediction for the final four?

Rubu
April 9, 2004, 10:08 PM
15. All 1952 Bhasha Shaheeds

give me the clue that one of the four will be the bravehearts of '71, if not more. for example, the 7 bir shrestho takes one position and the other shohids takes another position. and there gonna be kazi nazrul islam, rabindranath thagor, and shakh mujib. not sure about position, but i'm pretty sure that these are the people who gonna fill up the remaining four positions.

mahbubH
April 10, 2004, 02:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Zunaid
And I forgot the name of the lady who swam the English Channel so many years ago.

.. Is it Bula chowdhury? I am not sure whether she was the first Bangalee woman but she swam English channel successfully.

[Edited on 10-4-2004 by sports_fan_bd]

bd_cricket
April 10, 2004, 04:54 AM
My speculation is

4. Sher e Bangla A. K Fazlul Haque
3. Kazi Nazrul Islam
2. Bongobondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
1. Rabindranath Tagore


Although #2 and #3 could be swithed.

I don't think 1971 shaheeds and freedon fighters got a place in the survey, wondering why NOT? May be they were not in the initial list prepared by BBC- I don't know.


:flag:

Rubu
April 10, 2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
I don't think 1971 shaheeds and freedon fighters got a place in the survey, wondering why NOT? May be they were not in the initial list prepared by BBC- I don't know.
:flag:

a good point. this give me some light about how golam azam got a place in the list. BBC prepared an initial list. we don't know how long that list was. but now, its quite clear that it did include golam azam but did not include '71 shahids! does anyone else find the clue too. its very likely that this list was prepared by a group of bangladeshi people. or could be just one person, in that case it become even more clear. now, if one of them (or that person) was a fan of this guy, in other word, another rajakar, he can easily add golam azam's name and leave '71 heros. and give his vote to golam azam. done! i can't think of any other explanation than this. :mad:

say
April 10, 2004, 07:56 PM
#4 - A. K. Fazlul Haque

rafiq
April 11, 2004, 10:18 AM
yeah I have a prediction for the final 4 of the new Bangladesh (not West Bengal, seems like this BBC list was all Bengalis):

4. Khaleda Zia (since Hasina made the list, Khaleda should do as well and we need one more woman as others have pointed out)
3. Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, war criminal, industrialist, politician, scion of society and escape artist extraordinaire
2. Ali Ahsan Mujahid, Minister, Govt. of Bangladesh, retired Al-Badr East Pakistan chief, started his career as a war criminal in 1971 and editor, Weekly Sonar Bangla
1. Matiur Rahman Nizami, Minister of Industries, Govt. of Bangladesh, former All-Pakistan chief of Al-Badr, war criminal.

Forget Rabindranath, we deserve no less than this list!

abhs
April 11, 2004, 08:27 PM
The 3rd position goes to Quazi Nazrul Islam.

say
April 11, 2004, 08:54 PM
The BBC survey is mentioned in every newspaper as a survey of top 20. where did we get the list of 30? what's the source of top 21-30??

abhs
April 11, 2004, 10:21 PM
They are broadcasting the result of the survey everyday.

Oneday they talked about the 21-30, that is the source of the information.

Tehsin
April 12, 2004, 12:08 AM
Gholam Azam - how does a name like that even end up in this list ?
Sheikh Hasina ? - Give me a break. Hate me if you must but I'd say Ershad did more for BD than Hasina and Khaleda combined.

For the top two:

2- Sheikh Mujib (for his role pre-71). His post war role would drop him out of the top 20.
1- Robi Takhur. Great writer but never really did (apart from the noble refusal incident) much to 'inconvenience' our British Raj.

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by tehsin]

reinausagi
April 12, 2004, 10:03 AM
Jyoti Basu, B.M. Abbas, Ghiasuddin Pathan...

abhs
April 12, 2004, 08:45 PM
The 2nd position went to Rabindranath, so the 1st one may be very easily guessed.

reverse_swing
April 12, 2004, 08:48 PM
:duh:

Tehsin
April 13, 2004, 09:36 AM
Abhs ... yeah, if it was upto me, I would have picked the shahids of 71 as number one.

These ranking was based on voting ?

Pundit
April 13, 2004, 10:25 AM
I don't see any point in having an all Bengali "All Time Best" polling.

At the least, the header should change to -

"Most Impacting Bangladeshis."

In that way, names such as Gholam Azam can come in without grief or horror or panic.

Now the challenge will to decide on some names who are clearly sourced out off West Bengal, but have had an ever-lasting impact, even on independent Bangladesh. To lessen the debate, these individuals should have passed away before the independence of BD, or otherwise there ought to not be any debate in the first place (Poet Tagore is one name that comes to mind).

Also, to stay focused, we should separately mention the Shaheeds of '71, and the martyrs of '52 ! Doing so will keep the main list restricted to individuals only.

This list will also help us put the spot-light on other individuals whose contributions have never been spot-lighted because of our existing political bickerings.

Ofcourse, one would also think that this effort would most likely degenerate into something similar.

say
April 13, 2004, 03:18 PM
history didn't begin in 1971.

say
April 13, 2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Pundit
I don't see any point in having an all Bengali "All Time Best" polling.


I thought this discussion actually led some of us think about our history.

Pundit
April 13, 2004, 03:38 PM
history didn't begin in 1971.



I must say this is news to me !!

:)


Though I do not recall stating that anywhere, or even implying that anywhere ??

Maybe we should pause and let our intelligence catch up with our impulse, from time to time.

abhs
April 13, 2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by tehsin
Abhs ... yeah, if it was upto me, I would have picked the shahids of 71 as number one.

These ranking was based on voting ?

I might also rank the same. It is not justified that Vasha Shahids will be added in the list, but Shahids of 1971 will not get a place.

BBC Bangla invited votes for the best Bangalee from Feb 11 to March 22, 2004. Everyone was allowed to list 5 persons.

Although they mentioned that the list was based on the voting, they never mentioned (if I did not miss) about the total number of votes, or individual votes for each position.

I just have the feeling that they did not conduct it in a unscientific way and the positions might have been fixed in the table, not by the votes. I am sure, some would think otherwise.

Some voters just made fun and they also broadcasted it. Some described themselves to be the best Bengalee for the reason that none of the best to us could complete the tasks of their dream and the voter can find the unfinished tasks and will finish to be the best. One even voted MirZafar as the all time best Bengali, since we, all in our everyday life try to be the best "Mir Zafar". There were some other such opinions.

Anyway, the 1st position went to Sheikh Mujibur Rahman.

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by abhs]

say
April 13, 2004, 09:41 PM
20. Hossain Shaheed Suhrawardi
19. Ziaur Rahman
18. Ateesh Deepankar
17. Shwami Vivekananda
16. Dr. Muhammad Shaheedullah
15. All 1952 Bhasha Shaheeds
14. Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen
13. Satyajeet Roy
12. Lalan Shah
11. Teetumir
10. Raja Rammohan Roy
09. Maolana Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani
08. Eeshyar Chandra Vidyasagar
07. Sir Jagadeesh Chandra Basu
06. Begum Rokeya
05. Shubhas Bose
04. A. K. Fazlul Haque
03. Quazi Nazrul Islam
02. Rabindranath Thakur
01. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

chinaman
April 13, 2004, 10:19 PM
If I were to make the list, I'd put all 1971 shaheeds and freedom fighters at the first place and all 1952 Bhasha Shaheeds at the second place.

Orpheus
April 14, 2004, 02:01 AM
yo this poll is rigged man! Must be a conspiracy by Hasina. Mujib is numero uno..... did all Bangladeshis vote or something...?

It makes good sense if you look at it from Bangladeshi perspective but Bangalee.. ahh, I don't know...

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by Orpheus : why did I type call instead of look?? that's not even a typo! I am stupid]

say
April 14, 2004, 10:16 AM
'Founder' voted greatest Bengali

By Sabir Mustafa
BBC Bengali editor



Rahman: Regarded by many as the founder of Bangladesh
Listeners of the BBC's Bengali service have voted Bangladesh's first president, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the "Greatest Bengali of All Time".
Sheikh Mujibur, assassinated in 1975, easily beat Nobel prize-winning poet and playwright Rabindranath Tagore.

Another Nobel laureate, economist Amartya Sen, was the only living person in the top 20 at number 14.

He was one place behind Satyajit Ray, director of classic films such as Pather Panchali and the Chess Players.

Sheikh Mujib, popularly known as Bangabandhu or Friend of Bengal, is credited by many with leading Bangladesh to independence from Pakistan in 1971.

The former Bangladeshi president was one of numerous politicians to figure prominently in the poll, including General Ziaur Rahman, the assassinated husband of the present prime minister.

Tagore is revered widely - regarded by many as the Bengali Shakespeare - and is the composer of both the Indian and Bangladeshi national anthems.


Tagore is regarded as the Bengali Shakespeare
In the survey, popular fascination with poetry and rebellion was reflected in the listeners' choice for number three - Kazi Nazrul Islam, a firebrand poet who was jailed by the British for writing subversive verses.

Still revered by Bengalis as the Rebel Poet, Nazrul Islam also composed hundreds of love songs and religious chants.

The radio survey was conducted over February and March, when listeners were asked to nominate their five greatest Bengalis.

The Bengali Service announced the names through a countdown over 20 days, starting on 26 March - Bangladesh's independence day - and ending on Bengali New Year's Day on 14 April.

The survey put only one woman in the Top 20, Rokeya Sakhawaat Hossain, at number six.

Reformers and revolutionaries

Hossain, popularly referred to as Begum Rokeya, risked social wrath and isolation at the turn of the 20th century, by pioneering education for Muslim women in Bengal.

The top 20 was peppered with names of reformers and revolutionaries - Subhash Chandra Bose, who led an abortive armed rebellion against British rule during World War II, came in at number five.

Social reformer and educationist Ishwar Chandra Viddyasagar, who sought to break down caste barriers in Hindu society, came in at number eight.

A 19th Century rebel against British rule, Mir Nisar Ali Titumeer, came in at number 11.

But not everyone on the list is a poet or a politician, with listeners voting scientist Jagadish Chandra Basu into number seven. He is credited with ground-breaking work on the life cycle of plants.

The BBC's Bengali service has nearly 12 million listeners in Bangladesh and eastern India, home to some 250 million Bengali-speakers.

The survey produced well over 100 names, and the top 20 was compiled on points awarded according to listeners' order of preference.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3623345.stm