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Tigers_eye
April 21, 2014, 01:09 PM
Anyone watching any games?

Indiana laying an egg at home against Atlanta. 1st away playoffs win since 2009 for Atlanta? Indiana should comeback and win the series in 6.

Mavs got a close on slip away against Spurs. This will be over quickly.

Clippers got robbed. Although shouldn't have come this close to begin with.

lol, @ Houtson.

I like what Washington did/doing.

Brooklyn won. This old team is getting ready to see off higher seeds.

Thunders and Heats are on cruise control. Both over in 4 or 5 games I think.

mufi_02
April 21, 2014, 03:13 PM
I don't have much interest as the Knicks didn't qualify but try to watch some games if I happen to be at home. Woodson got fired today and I think Phil Jackson might even get rid off Carmelo.

All the matches will be straightforward and Heat, Pacers, Spurs, Thunders should go in easily. I think Clippers vs Golden State AND Brooklyn vs Toronto will be closely fought out.

Tigers_eye
April 23, 2014, 08:30 AM
I don't have much interest as the Knicks didn't qualify but try to watch some games if I happen to be at home. Woodson got fired today and I think Phil Jackson might even get rid off Carmelo.

All the matches will be straightforward and Heat, Pacers, Spurs, Thunders should go in easily. I think Clippers vs Golden State AND Brooklyn vs Toronto will be closely fought out.
Yup!! Anthony is nothing but trouble. He is a ball hog like Kobe. I don't like players who can't spell ASSIST. This is a team game. There is nothing "I" in it.
Woodson was over his head anyways.

Thunders are in trouble with Memphis. I likes that.

Tiger444
April 23, 2014, 05:24 PM
It's going to be very competitive this year. No real dominant team and the lower ranked teams are better than people think. Should be some very good games coming up

Tiger444
April 23, 2014, 05:30 PM
Yup!! Anthony is nothing but trouble. He is a ball hog like Kobe. I don't like players who can't spell ASSIST. This is a team game. There is nothing "I" in it.
Woodson was over his head anyways.

Thunders are in trouble with Memphis. I likes that.

While I agree that Melo isn't the best passer and I have bias towards him since he's my favorite player, just look at the team he has in NY. Many games I saw he gave good passes and his teammates missed easy shots. No point of comparing him to the likes of Lebron and Durant because these players something special. There aren't too many other better versatile scorers in the game today.

If the Knicks lose Melo, this team could honestly be the worst team in the NBA.

Ajfar
April 23, 2014, 08:16 PM
^ Knicks aren't going to lose Melo. Melo wants money and Knicks will give him a max contract for sure. If he wants to go somewhere else to win a championship, he's going to have to take a hometown discount. Melo ain't giving no hometown discount to anybody.

Tiger444
April 23, 2014, 10:14 PM
^ Knicks aren't going to lose Melo. Melo wants money and Knicks will give him a max contract for sure. If he wants to go somewhere else to win a championship, he's going to have to take a hometown discount. Melo ain't giving no hometown discount to anybody.

Ya I agree that's what it comes down to in the end

Tiger444
April 24, 2014, 09:40 AM
Lamarcus Aldridge 2nd 40+ game in a row. What a beast. He's Underrated imo

awan247
April 26, 2014, 02:40 AM
I am not interested to watch these matches.

iDumb
April 26, 2014, 08:07 PM
anyone heard the clippers owner audio tape with his girl friend? poor old demented guy got set up totally.... but cant deny the underlying racism.... he should not own a basketball team with those attitude. It's insulting.

Let the bidding for clippers start

here is the audio: What a shame.

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Tiger444
April 26, 2014, 10:02 PM
Ya it is a very sad situation and it goes to show that racism is still very much alive in our society still. Some naive people think it's gone away but it really hasn't and forget about other countries in the world, the US is still divided in many ways.

The NBA should make him sell the team for sure. There should be consequences for these type of actions.

Tigers_eye
April 28, 2014, 10:22 AM
Clippers situation. Magic and Donald Sterling has a past history. Now it seems like Magic may become he enw owner of clippers. lol.

iDumb
April 28, 2014, 06:52 PM
Clippers situation. Magic and Donald Sterling has a past history. Now it seems like Magic may become he enw owner of clippers. lol.

Karim abdul jabbar written a nice article on time magazine, very level head.. said he wouldn't like sterling owning a franchise and that the reaction like this should have been there before.... and that the gf should be jailed for invasion of privacy instead of getting future tv deals....

Magic Johnson wants to be a owner but that doesn't mean he will, it seems like a "good idea" now because he is black and this is making out to be a race game...

It seems sterling can not legally be forced to sell the team but I think he may because Clippers + him as the owner = loss of money. Clippers + a different owner = >1 billion dollar valuation. I don't think magic johnson should own it. I think it needs to be a neutral person who is not involved in this controversy....i think there needs to be bidding war to get the team.... I don't think there should be any preference to the color of the skin on who owns the team....

From stirling pov, he didn't say anything criminal.... his gibberish is not fit for public listening....There are unfortunatley many people who feel that way, and you can not change that over night... there has been progression however, not enough. I don't think he can redeem himself out of this one unless he does something extraordinary that will actually make ppl think he is truly sorry.. blame his family, take all of them out of his inheritence and donate half of the team to the charity.. rest of the his wealth to the charity after his death.....

CHarity should cater toward minority and ending racism...

the end.

But ofcourse he probably doesn't have that big "atta"

iDumb
April 28, 2014, 07:30 PM
the above is obviously my over reaction. .... whatever said during heated fight should not be held against you in my opinion...

Ajfar
April 28, 2014, 09:44 PM
He'll most likely get suspended tomorrow. I think its in his best interest to sell the team. Sponsor's are already starting to go for the exit door. If he stays the owner I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players lawyer up to figure out a way to get out of the contract to play somewhere else. Maybe not everybody but Blake Griffin and Chris Paul can get big bucks anywhere they want. But than again I'm sure they knew about Sterling when the got those big contracts. It's just that this is the first time something like this came out in recording.

I wonder how much that chick got paid from TMZ. She was so calm through out the entire video. i almost feel sorry for the old moron. Apparently there's a report out that he is the one who told her to record their conversation because he was having some kind of a business conversation and he wanted it on the record. The girl took the opportunity and changed the topic down the line and he walked right into her plan. Dude's so old he probably forgot she's recording the conversation. TMZ is claiming they have hours and hours worth videos where he talked about other people that work for him.

Tigers_eye
April 30, 2014, 09:01 AM
Karim abdul jabbar written a nice article on time magazine, very level head.. said he wouldn't like sterling owning a franchise and that the reaction like this should have been there before.... and that the gf should be jailed for invasion of privacy instead of getting future tv deals....
I haven't read what Karim said or where he is coming from. I am not sure if he knows what was going on. I 100% DISAGREE with the bolded statement. It is Donald who asked her to tape their conversations. There are 100s of hours of conversation between them taped. Similar types and others. Because he was old and can't remember things or what he said (promised) to her. She replays those tapes to him so that he can remember. Then she gets what she wants. How this got leaked I do not know.

...I don't think he can redeem himself out of this one unless he does something extraordinary that will actually make ppl think he is truly sorry..
I don't think he wants to redeem himself. Scumbags do not change nor do they think they are wrong.
...blame his family, take all of them out of his inheritence and donate half of the team to the charity.. rest of the his wealth to the charity after his death.....
Nope. You can not blame someone else for one's mistake. Two wrong doesn't make it right.

I hope he gives away Clippers to his kins. That way NBA Owners don't have to make drastic decisions.

Tigers_eye
April 30, 2014, 09:08 AM
Bulls got ousted by the Wizards. Wizards? lol, One of the NBA analyst at ESPN, before the playoffs began, said Bulls could challenge Heat from the East.

With Pacers struggling against Atlanta, who can close out at home.... Kevin Garnett and Co. are licking their chops.

If Memphis knocks the Thunders out that would like wow!!!! I am rooting for Dallas.

This year's 1st round the playoffs are wilder than ever before. 25+ years if I can remember that back.

Tigers_eye
May 1, 2014, 10:15 AM
I have seen blatant siding by the refs. Never seen anything like yesterday's Spurs-Mavs game. Mavs putting a shadow on Spurs player, it would be a foul. Spurs getting away with murder on the other end. Pity!!!

Tiger444
May 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
Bulls got ousted by the Wizards. Wizards? lol, One of the NBA analyst at ESPN, before the playoffs began, said Bulls could challenge Heat from the East.

With Pacers struggling against Atlanta, who can close out at home.... Kevin Garnett and Co. are licking their chops.

If Memphis knocks the Thunders out that would like wow!!!! I am rooting for Dallas.

This year's 1st round the playoffs are wilder than ever before. 25+ years if I can remember that back.

No dominant team in this years NBA has helped the competitiveness. Many we're saying it would not be competitive this year but besides the Bobcats and the Bulls, others have proved they can beat anyone at any given point.

Tigers_eye
May 1, 2014, 11:02 AM
No dominant team in this years NBA has helped the competitiveness. Many we're saying it would not be competitive this year but besides the Bobcats and the Bulls, others have proved they can beat anyone at any given point.
But as every year, there was a clear distinction on # of wins the top team and 7/8 teams had. Memphis pushing Thunder or Spurs-Dallas series shouldn't be close in paper. Wizard winning without playoffs experience, Portland taking advantage of Houston are surprizes.

If you see history, Most years, top teams takes out 7/8 teams 4-0 or 4-1. This is the year in the first round we only have one team (Miami) dominated their opponents. Wizzards would have a tougher task had Rose was healthy and may be wouldn't get past Chicago.

Frist round Stats from previous years:

2013 (45 games) - 2 series (4-0), 5 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 3 lower seeds won, 5, 5 and 6.
2012 (44 games) - 2 series (4-0), 2 sereis (4-1), 2 series (4-2), 2 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2011 (43 games) - 1 series (4-0), 3 series (4-1), 4 series (4-2) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2010 (45 games) - 1 series (4-0), 2 sereis (4-1), 4 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 7.

2014 (49 games projecting) - most likely 3 series will go to 4-3 and 4 lower seeds may win this year.

Tiger444
May 1, 2014, 02:11 PM
But as every year, there was a clear distinction on # of wins the top team and 7/8 teams had. Memphis pushing Thunder or Spurs-Dallas series shouldn't be close in paper. Wizard winning without playoffs experience, Portland taking advantage of Houston are surprizes.

If you see history, Most years, top teams takes out 7/8 teams 4-0 or 4-1. This is the year in the first round we only have one team (Miami) dominated their opponents. Wizzards would have a tougher task had Rose was healthy and may be wouldn't get past Chicago.

Frist round Stats from previous years:

2013 (45 games) - 2 series (4-0), 5 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 3 lower seeds won, 5, 5 and 6.
2012 (44 games) - 2 series (4-0), 2 sereis (4-1), 2 series (4-2), 2 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2011 (43 games) - 1 series (4-0), 3 series (4-1), 4 series (4-2) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2010 (45 games) - 1 series (4-0), 2 sereis (4-1), 4 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 7.

2014 (49 games projecting) - most likely 3 series will go to 4-3 and 4 lower seeds may win this year.

Agree that usually the top teams show their dominance over the weaker teams. NBA needed a competitive playoffs like this. Some we're saying there aren't enough good teams in the NBA but these playoffs are proof that there are plenty of good teams which is great for the league and for the fans as well

iDumb
May 1, 2014, 06:20 PM
. I 100% DISAGREE with the bolded statement. It is Donald who asked her to tape their conversations. There are 100s of hours of conversation between them taped. Similar types and others. Because he was old and can't remember things or what he said (promised) to her. She replays those tapes to him so that he can remember. Then she gets what she wants. How this got leaked I do not know.



My posts were mostly hours after the leak when most info weren't there. Sure if that is the case that recording was with his knowledge then ok... but it was leaked which shouldn't have.... we shouldve never been exposed to this PRIVATE convo eventhough it maybe taped, there was no agreement between the two that at any point their convo can be made public. that was the point...

Too bad for him he picked the wrong sport to say bad things about the wrong people. Put in another way, if he said something about refusing Muslims to enter his games, no body would care... Many people would probably support it saying, it would make the game feel safer :p

But listen I understand, given history of slavery and his thought process, it is simply just not racism anymore, it just doesn't feel right for him to own a team consisting of mostly black players... Even I am deeply offended even though I have a pretty thick skin...

iDumb
May 1, 2014, 09:50 PM
btw i have become a clippers fan now..... after knicks couldnt make it.... amd this controversy made me follow clippers more closely....cant bring myself to support nets too much for some reason...

so here is to clippers..... for nba title... :p

game on now.....

Tigers_eye
May 5, 2014, 01:39 PM
Agree that usually the top teams show their dominance over the weaker teams. NBA needed a competitive playoffs like this. Some we're saying there aren't enough good teams in the NBA but these playoffs are proof that there are plenty of good teams which is great for the league and for the fans as well
Some teams are bad. Really bad. The playoff teams with the exception of Bobcats are very decent.
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2013 (45 games) - 2 series (4-0), 5 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 3 lower seeds won, 5, 5 and 6.
2012 (44 games) - 2 series (4-0), 2 sereis (4-1), 2 series (4-2), 2 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2011 (43 games) - 1 series (4-0), 3 series (4-1), 4 series (4-2) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 8.
2010 (45 games) - 1 series (4-0), 2 series (4-1), 4 series (4-2), 1 series (4-3) - 2 lower seeds won, 5 and 7.

2014 (50 games) - 1 series (4-0), 1 series (4-1), 1 series (4-2), 5 series (4-3) - 3 lower seeds won, 5, 5 and 6.

Tigers_eye
May 6, 2014, 12:36 AM
How funny. Clippers take 1st game and home advantage against Thunders. So did Wizards. I don't think Indiana can survive if they play like this. Roy Hebert 17 minutes of play 0 point, 0 rebound, 2 blocks and 5 fouls. Wow!! He was suppose to be the best center in NBA?

Tiger444
May 7, 2014, 10:44 PM
How funny. Clippers take 1st game and home advantage against Thunders. So did Wizards. I don't think Indiana can survive if they play like this. Roy Hebert 17 minutes of play 0 point, 0 rebound, 2 blocks and 5 fouls. Wow!! He was suppose to be the best center in NBA?

Indiana and OKC will have a hard time this series. We'll see the character of both these teams and see how they fare.

Heat and SA started out strong, let's see if they continue to do so

Tigers_eye
May 9, 2014, 03:55 PM
Spurs and Heat has taekn 2-0 lead. Tony Parker is just too good on his mid ranges. LeBron and Miami were missing early. Then LeBron carried the team till Ray Allen and others picked up their game. Nets may win 1 at most 2.

Tigers_eye
May 12, 2014, 04:51 PM
Indiana and OKC will have a hard time this series. We'll see the character of both these teams and see how they fare.

Heat and SA started out strong, let's see if they continue to do so
All the losing team has turned it around. Minus Blazers. I think Rockets could have done better here. Spurs got an easy road.

iDumb
May 12, 2014, 09:09 PM
if nets win today, i will try to go to game 6 at barclays.. intense game going on ...

iDumb
May 12, 2014, 09:41 PM
i guess the better team won...

Tigers_eye
May 16, 2014, 09:03 AM
The NBA predetermined line is set. 1-2 and 1-2. Miami will have to win at Indiana - which they will comfortably do. OKC will have to win at San Antonio. I am not sure if that can be done. At any rate Miami vs OKC or Miami vs San Antonio would be a good finals. A three peat has already been determined before the season began. I hope I am wrong. I hope Duncan gets a proper send off or Durant gets his 1st.

Tiger444
May 16, 2014, 09:17 AM
The NBA predetermined line is set. 1-2 and 1-2. Miami will have to win at Indiana - which they will comfortably do. OKC will have to win at San Antonio. I am not sure if that can be done. At any rate Miami vs OKC or Miami vs San Antonio would be a good finals. A three peat has already been determined before the season began. I hope I am wrong. I hope Duncan gets a proper send off or Durant gets his 1st.

It'll be Spurs/Heat again IMO. OKC is just too reliant on Durant and Westbrook. Whereas the Spurs have the star power and the depth.

Tigers_eye
May 16, 2014, 09:18 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/potential-no--1-overall-nba-draft-pick-andrew-wiggins-can-jump-really--really-high--photo-213701185.html

See Wiggins soar. He has MJ type potential. I am not sure if he has the killer instinct like MJ or not. From getting cut from the versity team, MJ always wanted to prove everyone wrong. Wiggins is too timid to me at this point. More like James. But his potential can reach the clouds.

Tigers_eye
May 16, 2014, 09:22 AM
On another note, MJ's sidekick, steve Kerr got a $5 Million a year, 5 year deal with the warriors. That is without having any headcaoching job experience. Must be nice to be courted by Phil Jackson.

Tiger444
May 16, 2014, 02:52 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/potential-no--1-overall-nba-draft-pick-andrew-wiggins-can-jump-really--really-high--photo-213701185.html

See Wiggins soar. He has MJ type potential. I am not sure if he has the killer instinct like MJ or not. From getting cut from the versity team, MJ always wanted to prove everyone wrong. Wiggins is too timid to me at this point. More like James. But his potential can reach the clouds.

He does have talent but really disagree he's an MJ type talent. Like you said it was the killer instinct that made Jordan what he is to combine with his freakish athleticism and his ability to drive and shoot.

He's not even close to Lebron at this point as Lebron was a far superior player at this stage. He's got freakish athleticism but his jump shot is still very suspect. Like you say, he's too timid and too unsure in his decision making.

That being said, he's still very young and has plenty of time to grow. He should be the #1 pick over the likes of Embiid and Parker. He has the highest ceiling but is the biggest risk.

Ajfar
May 16, 2014, 11:32 PM
On another note, MJ's sidekick, steve Kerr got a $5 Million a year, 5 year deal with the warriors. That is without having any headcaoching job experience. Must be nice to be courted by Phil Jackson.

That seems to be the new trend. Everyone seems to be going after younger coach even if they don't have that much experience. I'm afraid we are going to lose Kevin Ollie soon. NBA's already calling. I really hope he sticks around.

Tigers_eye
May 17, 2014, 09:27 AM
That seems to be the new trend. Everyone seems to be going after younger coach even if they don't have that much experience. I'm afraid we are going to lose Kevin Ollie soon. NBA's already calling. I really hope he sticks around.
Olie as good as gone.

Tigers_eye
May 21, 2014, 10:56 AM
Well, the Heat looks like they are about to burry the Pacers. Inability to score, Paul George having off nights - with a decisive second chance points and rebounding edge - Pacers lost. That should tell you the story.

Meanwhile Spurs are just doing what they do best. Keeping Oklahoma off balance and winning. Till 3rd Quarter it was a 2 point game.

Tiger444
May 21, 2014, 08:59 PM
^Indiana is just way too inconsistent. Game 1 they looked like a team that could win the series and then the very next game they looked like a team that could get swept. That's what will make the series interesting.

OKC I don't see them having much of a chance with Ibaka out

iDumb
May 29, 2014, 07:19 PM
steve ballmar to buy clippers for 2 billion. better purchase than whatsapp.... thats what happens when ppl with serious money gets involved...

Zeeshan
May 29, 2014, 07:30 PM
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btw the idumb tumi levar martin er rainbow purchase er kotha kichui bolla na ba dr dre being bought by apple for 3 billion...koi tumar report koi??? boo ya!!!

iDumb
May 29, 2014, 11:30 PM
zeeshan beats purchase was mentioned in financial thread looong time ago... i am both beats and apple fan u think i am not gonna mention it :p

anywyas i didnt think clippers would go for 2 billion knew it would be atleast a billion , going a bit higher with bidding war while various sources were valuing it at 500 mil......

those kinda numbers would be up only when silicon valley ppl are involved......i actually thought someone young like zuckerberg would step in....anyways, i wish i could win a sports team....

zman
May 30, 2014, 05:16 PM
$2B price tag for the Clippers really is shocking. According to Forbes, they reported $128M revenue and $15M EBITDA last year. So we're talking 16 times earnings or 130 times EBITDA. They've started to value these sports teams like leading technology companies. Apple also trades at 16 times earnings. I'm sure Steve knows something that we don't and is betting on aggressive global expansion of basketball which will create several new revenue streams.

Tigers_eye
June 2, 2014, 11:01 AM
So the Spurs and Heat meet in the finals. Rematch of last year. I hope the Spurs take it. Though Miami is very strong. Ray Alan and Miami bench are the keys. Stop them and you should be fine. 60 points for Wade-LeBron-Bosh can't win it. Bosh would be a no-show if he guards Timmy.

Tiger444
June 2, 2014, 11:39 AM
It'll be a great matchup once again. Both teams have the star power and supporting cast. With Lebron there though I'd give the slight advantage to the Heat but it should be a 6-7 game series.

Tigers_eye
June 9, 2014, 03:53 PM
So Miami and the refs get home with a 1-1. Nice.

Tigers_eye
July 2, 2014, 09:33 AM
Well the Spurs really played as a team. What a way to take revenge.

Tigers_eye
July 2, 2014, 09:34 AM
This years free agency is getting out of hand. Keeping an eye on Phoenix Suns and Houston. LeBron is crazy but smart.

zman
July 11, 2014, 03:35 PM
Wow! what a move by Lebron. The message he shared today is really deep and classy. Mad respect! Hated him for the Decision, now I'm a big fan.

iDumb
July 11, 2014, 03:43 PM
Wow! what a move by Lebron. The message he shared today is really deep and classy. Mad respect! Hated him for the Decision, now I'm a big fan.

Good political move...... i still wish NYK had him :(

Dilscoop
July 11, 2014, 05:59 PM
SURE! All that stuff about going home might be true, probably is. But that wasn't the sole factor. He jumped ship again because Cavs got a young team. Heat's getting old, IS old with no young talent. Charmer? Cole!? Cavs now have 4 1st overall picks. And they might get KLove and Ray Allen. This team will be loaded!

Such a evil-genius this dude is. He wanted no part of team building/transition. He's just looking for good situations. Heat already had a good set up, played there while Cavs built. Now he's back.

Not hating, I like LeBron, the mature one. But just stating facts.

Tigers_eye
July 14, 2014, 12:10 PM
SURE! All that stuff about going home might be true, probably is. But that wasn't the sole factor. He jumped ship again because Cavs got a young team. Heat's getting old, IS old with no young talent. Charmer? Cole!? Cavs now have 4 1st overall picks. And they might get KLove and Ray Allen. This team will be loaded!

Such a evil-genius this dude is. He wanted no part of team building/transition. He's just looking for good situations. Heat already had a good set up, played there while Cavs built. Now he's back.

Not hating, I like LeBron, the mature one. But just stating facts.
:) Your words in an article form. lol. LeBron James Didn't Mention A Major Factor In His Decision To Return To Cleveland (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lebron-james-didnt-mention-major-075315416.html)

I am still not sold. Chicago just signed Gasol. They may not even win their division now. :lol: Had Bosh (not a quiter) jumped the ship to Houston, I am not sure if he would win another.

Tigers_eye
July 14, 2014, 12:12 PM
Look at the Cavs pre-decision 1 roster. Look at the Cavs post decision 2 roster. :) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to move or not.

Tigers_eye
July 14, 2014, 12:15 PM
Wow! what a move by Lebron. The message he shared today is really deep and classy. Mad respect! Hated him for the Decision, now I'm a big fan.
You are not serious, are you? The hopper hops with seeing a greener pasture on the otherside AGAIN. Well done King James. You may have kept your 6 rings hopes alive but you will never reach 30 average. :wave:

zman
July 15, 2014, 06:57 AM
I kind of get his story this time. He tried heart and soul in Cleveland for 7 long years but didn't have a good enough supporting cast or coach for that matter. He tried to recruit other stars to Cleveland but nobody wanted to go there. So he jumped ship and formed his super team. Now that he's got his rings, he wants to go back home and win there. He wants to bring a title back to Cleveland after 99 years (in all four major sports combined) and become the savior. Granted he'll have a much better supporting cast this time, it'll take some time to groom the highly talented youngsters (Wiggins, Bennett, et.al.) to get them championship ready and develop chemistry under the new coach. Also he could've signed a more lucrative deal and stayed in Miami or gone to a West coast team (i.e., Phoenix, Houston) where he would've been closer to a title right now. The guy wants to win. He always gives 110% effort and never takes a play off. So even though you can see what a genius political/PR move it was, it's hard to hate him for it.

Tigers_eye
July 15, 2014, 10:06 AM
^ the Story is fine. Coming back home and all that. But as Dillu said already.... we all knew the core of Erving, Wiggins, and Bennet/Love is far more appealing than with Anthony in Phoenix, or "getting worse" Wade plus some role players. Had he signed with Miami, Bosh would have gone to Houston (88 Million - 4 years).

I like the guy as a player. I think we have not seen a linebacker move so fast. It is like Charles Oakley (Banger) with a sweet touch like Allan Houston and ball handling skills of Starks/Brooks/Charlie Ward - all in one.

He is more like a Magic than his Airness. Thus he can't be the greatest. You must have the demeanor, the ruthless assasine to be the best. LeBron is too-goody-shoes like Magic. Doesn't want to offend anyone.

Tigers_eye
July 15, 2014, 10:09 AM
Did anyone see Wiggins dunk in the recent summer league play? I don't want to be a spoiler. That is some incredible skills.

Tigers_eye
July 15, 2014, 10:12 AM
http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.philly.barstoolsports.com/files/2013/07/wiggins-dunk.jpg (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrB8pQ1RMVTmTgAjESjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBpcGszamw 0BHNlYwNmcC1pbWcEc2xrA2ltZw--/RV=2/RE=1405465781/RO=11/RU=http%3a%2f%2fphilly.barstoolsports.com%2faround-barstool%2fhow-long-would-you-go-to-jail-for-your-team-to-draft-the-next-lebron%2f/RK=0/RS=zgPL82_3OzQi7Kf40pdtExFpG.0-)

And then the one I was talking about is -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/14/andrew-wiggins-pregame-dunk_n_5584392.html

Amazing. 360 behind the back. lol. People can do behind the back. but with a 360?

zman
July 15, 2014, 01:59 PM
^ the Story is fine. Coming back home and all that. But as Dillu said already.... we all knew the core of Erving, Wiggins, and Bennet/Love is far more appealing than with Anthony in Phoenix, or "getting worse" Wade plus some role players. Had he signed with Miami, Bosh would have gone to Houston (88 Million - 4 years).
Phoenix Suns actually have a very good team. Under the tutelage of almost_COY_winner Jeff Hornacek they came very close to making the playoffs. They have a talented young roster and deep bench. Now that they've played a season together and developed tremendous team chemistry, as constructed, they're bound to make the playoffs as a lower seed next year. They also had enough cap space to sign one max salary player outright which would've catapulted them into the top half of the western conference.

As for Miami, with the big three opting out, if Bosh would've left, Carmelo would've signed and they'd still have enough cap space left to pay Wade and couple other good players.
He is more like a Magic than his Airness. Thus he can't be the greatest. You must have the demeanor, the ruthless assasine to be the best. LeBron is too-goody-shoes like Magic. Doesn't want to offend anyone.
I agree on this part...he's more like Magic but a much better scorer than him. Like Magic he makes his team mates a lot better. Physically he is more gifted than MJ/Kobe and he has a better all round game than them. That said the way Kobe/MJ played you'd think they never believed they could lose. Lebron on the other hand shifts his game to a slightly lower gear when it becomes apparent that his team will lose.

Tigers_eye
July 15, 2014, 03:17 PM
Phoenix Suns actually have a very good team. Under the tutelage of almost_COY_winner Jeff Hornacek they came very close to making the playoffs. They have a talented young roster and deep bench. Now that they've played a season together and developed tremendous team chemistry, as constructed, they're bound to make the playoffs as a lower seed next year. They also had enough cap space to sign one max salary player outright which would've catapulted them into the top half of the western conference.
Phoenix is not attractive. It is Hot. very Hot. Been there few times. 100+ in April - geessss!!! Difficult to raise family for the celebrities. No hollywood, no vegas, lime light. That is why Anthony moved from Denver.

Others would give max contract to the elite anyways.
I agree on this part...he's more like Magic but a much better scorer than him. Like Magic he makes his team mates a lot better. Physically he is more gifted than MJ/Kobe and he has a better all round game than them. That said the way Kobe/MJ played you'd think they never believed they could lose. Lebron on the other hand shifts his game to a slightly lower gear when it becomes apparent that his team will lose.
1) Lets just leave Kobe alone. Kobe is a punk to me. I think LeBron is better than him game wise.

2) A better scorer than Magic? Nope. I have seen him play. Showtime was one of the great shooters during his time. He just didn't take the shots. He made it happen. He played the point. Guards don't have that kind of shooting %.

Career stats:
Magic - FG% - 52%. FT - 84.8%
LeBron - FG% - 49.7%. FT - 74.7%.

Magic - Reb - 7.2%. Assists - 11.22%
LeBron - Reb - 7.2%. Assists - 6.87% :lol:

As for MJ, Down 13, on the road forth quarter with a minute something left against a bottom team (I am tempted to say philly), MJ on the bench. He shakes his head and tells his benchmate "I can't let this happen". Gets up and Doug Collins, I think his coach that time asks him to put him back, he scores 14, gets rebounds, 2 steals during the last minute. Noone else scores a single point from any team. Bulls win!!! That is MJ's folklore.

MJ driving and dunking on Jeff Hornecek (yup - the current Phoenix coach). Now Nornecek is innocent looking, no trash talking white guy. While going back a front seat fan screams at MJ "Pick someone of your own size" the camera mic picks that up. MJ turns back notices who said that. Husstles back stole the ball from either Hornecek or Stockton, back to basket flying and Greg Ostertag (Utah center) was trying to block the shot. Postering with his tongue out. After the dunk went back back paddling and close to the fan and said loudly "will that do?"

MJ would never backed down from any confrontation. Not against the bad boys Pistons not against the wide body Knicks. Never handed someone a gimme either. Chicago highschool boys competed and a boy name Finley (9th grader) won it to play one on one against MJ. This would be videoed and telecasted to selected region. The Kid is 6'2-3 ish. MJ is 6'5" himself. They T off. MJ embarrasses the Kid. Fakes, dunks, fade aways his entire repotoire. All moves. Defends as if he was defending Clyde Drexler. Wins bigs, walks off. Everyone was like WTH? He was just a high school kid. Why not let him make some shots? So press conference he answers, the Kid wanted to taste NBA. I gave him just that. He knows what and how much he has to work on to get to the NBA. Few years fast forward, Michael Finley (6'6" then)became an All-Star (west - Dallas) and guarded MJ (east). Few things were said between them. MJ gets the All-Star MVP.

No one can touch the folklore of MJ. You must have read Larry Bird's comment on MJ After michael scored 63 (I watched teams not be able to score 63) a record in Boston Garden: "I didn't think anyone was capable of doing what Michael has done to us," marveled Celtics ace Larry Bird. "He is the most exciting, awesome player in the game today. I think it's just God disguised as Michael Jordan." (something inhuman) In that game everyone took turns or came at him together to guard MJ. Noone could stop him.
"Michael was doing so much and so well, I found myself just wanting to stop and watch him -- and I was playing," said teammate John Paxson.

or Magic or Barkley saying about MJ. Here is John Sally (center). One of the bad boys of the Pistons. So MJ drives baseline and jumps, Sally guarding the rim jumps to block, mid-air MJ moves sideways away from Sally. extends his hand, tongue out dunks it. After the game, Sally is asked about the play. He says - you guys saw it. He shifted in the air without any support or anything touching him. We Mortals
can't defend that.

Only way LeBron can get near to MJ is win few scoring titles. I don't think that is possible with Durant playing at his level. MJ has 10 scoring titles. Seven in a row before he retired for baseball. :)

zman
July 15, 2014, 06:06 PM
Tigers_eye bhai...I agree with your MJ argument. Regarding Kobe vs. Lebron, while Lebron has the better game Kobe clearly has the sharper killer instinct.

Now regarding Magic vs Lebron, Magic is one of the greatest ballers of all time no doubt, and possibly the best ball handler ever, but it's still too early to tell who's superior between Magic and Lebron.

Lebron's stats read 27.5 ppg, 6.9 apg, 7.2 rpg
While Magic's read 19.5 ppg, 11.2 apg, 7.2 rpg

You can see Magic had 4 apg more while Lebron scores 8 ppg more. Regarding the field goal percentage differential, I don't think Magic's 52% is far superior to Lebron's 50%. Here's why-

Magic shot over 50% from the field in his first 8 seasons. In his last 5 he did that only once. Lebron on the other hand shot below 50% in his first 6 seasons. He's been shooting way over 50% in the last 5 (56.7% in 2013, 56.5% in 2012). Lebron also shoots the 3 ball (34%) much better than Magic (30%). So statistics show as a shooter Lebron has improved quite a bit since his first few years and in the last few years he has been shooting better than even the great Magic. Magic on the other hand was a better shooter early on but later in his career when he focused more on being a distributor his shooting percentages dipped.

If Lebron keeps going at this pace for 2-3 more years, ends up having a 17-18 year career and winning 2/3 more championships, it'll be a close call on who is greater. I personally feel when it's all said and done Lebron will be considered the better scorer while Magic being the better distributor of the ball.

zman
July 15, 2014, 07:15 PM
Good political move...... i still wish NYK had him :(

At least we got Melo this time. I have faith in Phil. He's surrounding himself with the right people, people who actually believe in his philosophy. The trade he pulled on draft day to get Calderon and Dalembert, 2 second round picks out of nowhere is creditworthy. In the process he got rid of Tyson who stopped performing a season ago and yet became a disruptive force in the locker room, and Raymond Felton who is a gone case.

He's still got a lot of work to do but these are steps in the right direction. Once he gets rid of Amare, Bargnani and couple other contracts, Knicks can hopefully get another big superstar next summer or the one after. In the meanwhile Amare and Bargnani will be much better this year if they can stay healthy. Even though Fisher will be the coach, Phil will be there to guide him. And we all know when it comes to coaching it doesn't get any better than Phil.

iDumb
July 15, 2014, 11:27 PM
tigers eye good post on mj. i think ppl that debate mj vs lebron are usually young who probably were toddlers in mj era...

i think its somewhat similar to maradona, messi type of debate.... just watching few clips on youtube will never give one the grasp of the magnitude of how big some of these players were.....

MJ is arguably the best athlete in the world to have ever lived..... i think u have to live in that era to grasp how big he was....

every single kid wanted to be just like mike... everyone loved him.... nike created the most profitable brand even to this date around him.... ppl knew of mike where they dont know of basketball..

it is not ur skills only, it is the whole persona that create these greates..

speaking of mj's competitiveness, i dont know how true it is but i remember discussing this with a friend of mine when i was a kid...mj did an ad with mia hamm then soccer star of women world champion ..on gatorade ...they play various sports against each other while the song "anything you can do i can do better" is playing .. MJ apparently complained later that he didnt like the ad because the video showed Mia beating him in karate... lol.. i dont think it was true...there was no google to ck it out back then..

Tigers_eye
July 16, 2014, 10:19 AM
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speaking of mj's competitiveness, i dont know how true it is but i remember discussing this with a friend of mine when i was a kid...mj did an ad with mia hamm then soccer star of women world champion ..on gatorade ...they play various sports against each other while the song "anything you can do i can do better" is playing .. MJ apparently complained later that he didnt like the ad because the video showed Mia beating him in karate... lol.. i dont think it was true...there was no google to ck it out back then..
His competitiveness was out of this world. He wouldn't take a loss no matter what. That bold part is true. He didn't like the ad. I am not sure about Karate. I don't think Mia practiced martial art or Karate. Pound for pound Mia wasn't a push over though. The only time he was intimated and was out of his league was with another MJ. Michael Jackson.

MJ's ads were classic. Gataroid, Nike, Hanes. "Want to be like Mike." Mike and Larry, Mike vs Mike (younger MJ). Then Mike vs Mike vs UNC Mike. Classic ads.

All these athletes (competitve sports - Americans) have huge ego. HUGE. Even playing golf he would incur so much debt by betting against his fellow players. He was good but not PGA good. Or Poker. Never wanted to lose. To him it was chump change but still it became envious to others.

I don't think MJ is the best athlete I have ever seen or even the best basketball player ever. But I have not seen any one with that kind drive to win. The desire of winning was unreal.
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MJ's only obsticle was Houston Rockets. He has a losing record against them career wise. For some reason he could not win against Hakim and Co. Those two years that he left for Baseball The Dream won 2 rings. That would have been a tremendous series had he not retired and Bulls making it to finals.

And just for the kicks.

https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607992710188765002&pid=15.1&P=0

Tigers_eye
July 16, 2014, 10:25 AM
And this was before LeBron went to Miami
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lktxcnf0NV1qdpjt9o1_400.jpg

So he joined forces with Wade and Bosh.
http://www.nbadunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lebron-james-d-wade.jpg

Tigers_eye
July 22, 2014, 03:10 PM
How long this Kevin Love fiaso will continue? Sign with Bulls and be done with it. :)

zman
August 5, 2014, 12:01 AM
Poor Indiana...after getting beaten by the Heat few years in row I bet the Pacers were breathing a sigh of relief when Lebron decided to leave Miami. It appeared they're just one good off season move away from being top contenders in the East. Then what happens? First they lose their second best player Stephenson to Charlotte, and now their best player Paul George to season ending ankle injury...Ouch!

Tigers_eye
August 5, 2014, 08:49 AM
Poor Indiana...after getting beaten by the Heat few years in row I bet the Pacers were breathing a sigh of relief when Lebron decided to leave Miami. It appeared they're just one good off season move away from being top contenders in the East. Then what happens? First they lose their second best player Stephenson to Charlotte, and now their best player Paul George to season ending ankle injury...Ouch!
And the Cavs are loading up. Love deal is certain. The Starting lineup could be East's all star. :)

All that and the Bulls wins the division, :lol:.

Tiger444
August 13, 2014, 12:39 PM
Like you guys, I also get tired of the comparisons with MJ. First it was with Kobe (which was worse IMO) now it's Lebron. MJ is just on another level of greatness. That's not saying Kobe and Lebron aren't great because they are too but they're not Jordan. It's an insult to MJ.

Tiger444
August 13, 2014, 12:45 PM
At least we got Melo this time. I have faith in Phil. He's surrounding himself with the right people, people who actually believe in his philosophy. The trade he pulled on draft day to get Calderon and Dalembert, 2 second round picks out of nowhere is creditworthy. In the process he got rid of Tyson who stopped performing a season ago and yet became a disruptive force in the locker room, and Raymond Felton who is a gone case.

He's still got a lot of work to do but these are steps in the right direction. Once he gets rid of Amare, Bargnani and couple other contracts, Knicks can hopefully get another big superstar next summer or the one after. In the meanwhile Amare and Bargnani will be much better this year if they can stay healthy. Even though Fisher will be the coach, Phil will be there to guide him. And we all know when it comes to coaching it doesn't get any better than Phil.

My friends and I were so relieved once Melo made the decision to stay in NY. I thought it was the right one for him. The Lakers are in an even worse shape and Chicago is overrated IMO with a very iffy Rose leading the team and we saw how badly they got exposed last year against the Wizards.

Like you, I have confidence that Phil will turn it around for NY. I've really liked the moves he's made and this team will slowly get stronger. They might not be a title contender next year but possibly the year after that if they can land some big free agents.

zman
August 19, 2014, 09:17 PM
Lakers have mortgaged their future just to appease Kobe. I've been a Kobe fan all along - i know he's cocky and selfish at times but somehow he's made it work for him and he's a proven winner big time. But his latest contract with the Lakers is baffling - I thought he'd play for 10 mil a year and allow the Lakers to add two more superstars and contend. Instead he'll be playing for a team that will be stuck in the middle tier, missing the playoffs and not even getting high lottery picks. So the Lakers are pretty much doomed for the next 4/5 years.

Bulls are intriguing to me. They've proven they can make the playoffs without Rose. According to most reports Rose is almost back to his all star form. I've seen quite a few moves by him while playing for team USA on Sportscenter and he looked good. Bulls are one of the two best defensive teams in the league but I thought adding Gasol was really big. Even at his age, Gasol can flat out ball. He's one of the best big man passers in the game and I can see most teams having trouble stopping their big guys from scoring.

Tiger444
August 19, 2014, 09:29 PM
Lakers have mortgaged their future just to appease Kobe. I've been a Kobe fan all along - i know he's cocky and selfish at times but somehow he's made it work for him and he's a proven winner big time. But his latest contract with the Lakers is baffling - I thought he'd play for 10 mil a year and allow the Lakers to add two more superstars and contend. Instead he'll be playing for a team that will be stuck in the middle tier, missing the playoffs and not even getting high lottery picks. So the Lakers are pretty much doomed for the next 4/5 years.

Bulls are intriguing to me. They've proven they can make the playoffs without Rose. According to most reports Rose is almost back to his all star form. I've seen quite a few moves by him while playing for team USA on Sportscenter and he looked good. Bulls are one of the two best defensive teams in the league but I thought adding Gasol was really big. Even at his age, Gasol can flat out ball. He's one of the best big man passers in the game and I can see most teams having trouble stopping their big guys from scoring.

That was always my knock on Kobe. He's a great player for sure but he's always been selfish and if he hadn't been, he could've won more championships.

Regarding the Bulls, I still have to see whether Rose can sustain this success with that bum knee. Right now he looks good but we'll see how he does in a full 82 game season. If he gets injured again then they might still remain a solid team but not really a contender. The additions of Gasol and McDermott obviously help but question is will it be enough? With Rose, yes they can be a contender but that's a big if imo

zman
February 1, 2015, 10:47 PM
Now that SB's over, where's all the B-ball fans? Race for the playoffs is starting to heat up already.
*What possessed the Hawks this season! They're just playing incredible basketball!
*How bout Golden State! I have yet to watch a game but can't wait to watch the splash brothers working the back court in tandem!
*Cavaliers had a topsy turvy start to the season but seem to be getting back on track
*Something is not right with the Bulls. They're the last team you'd expect to have chemistry issues but that's what's happening!
*The West is just too good and too deep, once again!
*Who thought the Spurs and OKC would be struggling just to make the playoffs!

Dilscoop
February 6, 2015, 10:00 PM
^ two overrated, overhyped teams went at it tonight. Once again, being the more overhyped of the two GS came short. GS lost all their big match ups. They don't have any home games left this month, toughest part of their schedule coming up. Let's see how they do.

Jump shooting teams don't go very deep in general. As soon as Curry has an off quarter Warriors look completely crap. At least they upped their defense.

zman
February 6, 2015, 11:45 PM
Way I see it Cavs and the Bulls - once they get their $hit together - are the two best teams in the East, and Memphis and San Antonio in the West. I don't think too many folks view the Hawks as contenders, they just get a lot of credit for playing unselfish team ball and winning game after game despite lacking a marquee superstar. They're the Cinderella of the East.

I haven't yet seen GS in action but I've been surprised to learn they're playing very good D. People seem to think if Bogut can stay healthy they'll contend otherwise they'll fall like a pack of cards in the playoffs.

Dilscoop
February 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
Cavs have had the easiest schedule so far in their lame streak and people are starting to hype em again. They faced only TWO .500 teams in their 12 game winning streak. And they just lost to the Pacers, another crap team. The more LeBron talks, they less they win.

Dilscoop
February 7, 2015, 03:15 PM
LOL Chris Paul fined for basically talking to a female refs. This is a nonissue if she wasn't a chick. Liberals!

zman
March 2, 2015, 09:05 PM
Since acquiring Mozgov, Smith and Shumpert, Cav's are looking very good. Now they're playing very good defense. Going into the playoffs they'll probably be favorites to win it all. Being in the East affords them the luxury of taking time off, resting and staying healthy while western conference powerhouses exchange knockout punches and beat up each other.

zman
March 2, 2015, 09:17 PM
Had faith in Phil when he was brought in to fix up the Knicks, but starting to lose hope now. Gave up Shumpert for nothing! With Melo's knee injury things not looking so good. He's already on the wrong side of 30 and these knee injuries can be very tricky, nobody can predict how good he'll be when he's back. Can't see too many marquee players being interested in being part of a rebuilding Knicks team.

Ajfar
March 2, 2015, 09:48 PM
You guys see the selfie Lebron put up? Why you gotta be so dramatic dude. You missed free key free throws, just say #backtowork. You ain't gotta write an essay on twitter. People already hate you for having a big ego.

zman
March 2, 2015, 10:19 PM
Just saw it...yeah that was pretty cocky...LJ is very good no doubt but he's also the luckiest player on the planet. Everything seems to be falling in place for him. The way they're able to build that roster up in Cleveland in no time is mind boggling...they're a top 4 team in the East even without Lebron. Now he seems set to win another 2 or 3 rings easily. Just when KD started making a case for being the best player in the world he got injured. So now he'll be the best player for at least another year or two without much competition. Also about his return to Cleveland -- I used to be his biggest hater but now I even find myself rooting for the Cavs because you feel bad for the city that has never won anything.

Rommel
March 5, 2015, 01:10 AM
Hawks are legit baby. Honestly I was expecting us to be good this year but obviously not THIS good. A lot of the pundits were predicting us to be a .500 level team and to compete for the #6-8 seed, which didn't really make sense to me. Getting Al Horford back is huge and also having another year in Bud's system. I would have predicted a 50 win season but didn't see this coming. I'll take it though!

Tigers_eye
March 5, 2015, 05:32 PM
I want Hawks - Toronto/ Washington East final
The west is wide open still
Golden State is very strong in the regular season. Playoffs is a different animal.

Houston, Portland and Memphis all three have a legit chance.

I thought Dallas would be very good with Rondo. It is not working out at all.

zman
March 5, 2015, 06:38 PM
^Agree with everything except Hawks vs Raptors/Wizards final won't happen. Cavs are now just too good. No team in the East except the Hawks can even compete with them. They're destroying Raptors/Wizards in their own backyard. How lucky are the Cavs this year? Every free agent/player they coveted they got.

Getting Josh Smith assimilated into the Houston line up was huge for them. Once D12 (or has his jersey number changed?) is back they should in theory be even stronger. SA's fate rests on Tony Parker...unless he regains all star form can't see them going far in the playoffs...finally they seem to be running out of gas...but then again how many times have we heard that before?

Tigers_eye
March 8, 2015, 10:27 AM
Since it is almost playoffs time, I am going to give you a little bit of history of playoff performers.

Reggie Miller. He use to be the #1 three point shooter of all time (he recently got surpassed I think. He was Clutch as well. Tormented Knicks and Knicks fans. In one playoff game (1995) down by 6 he scored 8 points in 9 seconds. lol. One of the pure shooters I have seen live. One of the best trash talker along side Gary Payton (the glove).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1632269-watch-reggie-miller-score-8-points-in-9-seconds-18-years-ago-today

So many great players in that game. Patrick Ewing (C - among 50 greatest), John Stark (G), Greg Anthony (G - was an NBA analyst), Anthony Mason (PF - passed away recently) Pacers: Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson.

Anyways, he was at the Jimmy Kimmel show the other day. This is a 4 minute video. Worth it. Watch it. Funny as hell but true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkks7EqWnhU

Leafs PWN
March 10, 2015, 11:17 PM
Raps shitting pants now.

Rommel
March 18, 2015, 11:33 AM
Hawks v Cavs in the East Finals seems pretty likely now. That series will be quite interesting.

West is a lot more wide-open.

Tigers_eye
March 26, 2015, 10:54 AM
What happened to Washington? Haven't followed them lately. Are they injured?

Hawks have home court all the way to Eastern finals. What a turnaround from last year!!! I wouldn't have believed before the season.

Feel for Chicago. Injury just keeps them down every year.

Love the fact NY and LAL are miserable.

I think West wins it again this year.

zman
April 1, 2015, 10:19 PM
Why NY? we're never good!
Hawks have been inconsistent lately and are losing every game against good teams. Hope they get their mojo back before the playoffs.

Tigers_eye
May 17, 2015, 11:11 PM
1-2 in both conferences.

Rommel
May 25, 2015, 10:01 PM
We're done. Hope we can win tomorrow so that we can get one more home game. Last night's loss was pretty heart-breaking, had lots of opportunities to win even after Al Horford got ejected. However, I think we'll learn from this experience and come back stronger next year. Future is pretty bright, hopefully we're able to resign both Millsap and Demarre.

HerbeMannABg
October 17, 2017, 07:34 AM
as soon as im dine finals Apr 22 i try to watch as much NHL and NBA playoffs as possible. Im a big Lakers fan, but i also hope the magic do good because of gortat