CCL: Faisal Rocks Again

[Rubu]

Corporate Cricket League (CCL) is under way. On the first match, Bashundhara beat BADC by 5 wickets.
Scorcard (http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/default.asp?strrefer=displayocr&straction=headline&iItemID=7385&iCategoryID=1).

faisal is in good form. i wonder, if he'll squze in to the best 11 for the ODI's.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Guys
just read the match report...it's full of spelling and grammatical mistakes...very low quality...

[Rubu]

at least u get the report. and they are actually pretty fast at updating. so i don't mind spell and all that. as i'm the king of typo!

[AsifTheManRahman]

:lol:

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

well if you really want to read an article without any spelling and grammatical error then the easiest thing is that copy the article from the net and paste it in your word document and then spell check and then read. i think this way you will get a pretty discent article without any spelling or gramatical errors. dannabad.

[billah]

I don't think this was a notable performance by Faisal, by any means. An ugly match, the team lost 5 wickets chasing 120, Faisal 39*, none of it is impressive by any means.:(

[rafiq]

Bashundhara should have killed themselves with cyanide after the match. With Saifullah Jem, Naimur Rahman, Alamgir Kabir, Hasibul Hossain Shanto, Faisal, Akram Khan, et al, this was hardly deserving of the league opener. As for BADC, I don't know who is on that team but they should be penalized points for their batting display.

[reinausagi]

As for BADC, I don't know who is on that team but they should be penalized points for their batting display.


lol

[Tehsin]

BADC is mostly full of first (not premier) division players.

[oracle]

What is Akram Khan doing in the league? They should leave the slots to players like Faisal and others.

[Beamer]

did anyone notice rajjak rajs last over? good stuff..four runs were needed in the last over. he took a wkt and didn't let a single run in the last two balls, hence a tie was the result.

[Optimist]

Originally posted by oracle
What is Akram Khan doing in the league? They should leave the slots to players like Faisal and others.
Why should not Akram Play! As soon as one retires from international matches, should he also retire from local matcches too? NO!!! He has a lot to pass to the younger generations! The overall standard is better because Minhaz and Akram and other senior players are there!

[Optimist]

Originally posted by Beamer
did anyone notice rajjak rajs last over? good stuff..four runs were needed in the last over. he took a wkt and didn't let a single run in the last two balls, hence a tie was the result.
Yeah! no wonder the selectors have high expectations of him. He is almost sure to play in the first eleven if he can perform well in the practice match!

[Beamer]

Nannu, the old fox, scored 87 as well. The older guys should continue to play domestic and fist class cricket to show guidance for the younger generation. Shujon should only belong here however and not in the national outfit.

[oracle]

Why should not Akram Play


Yeah why not, they should hang around but set a limit. The younger ones, that is if they also are sharp (and I sincerely hope so), could also see clearly what to do and what not to do.

[Rubu]

here is some facts to consider whether players like those are supposted to play or not:
* for many of them, cricket is the only mean of income, and they took it as profession. now what they should do? as long as clubs find them useful, shouldn't those guys earn?
* they can always give advice to younger players who are new from their experiences.
* clubs take people who they think necessary. so, those people staing in club cricket means they are not useless.
* they are blocking the space for younger players.

i see that the side of "should play" is much heavier than "should not play".

[akabir77]

Originally posted by oracle
What is Akram Khan doing in the league? They should leave the slots to players like Faisal and others.

Man we are here because of these guys. They played cricket when most of didn't even followed ICC games. I still remember the two day game(because of rain) with Holland which akram single handedly won for us & gave us a chance to play in WC99. If our selectors at that time didn't take and drop player left and right, we could have got more service from akram and bulbul then we got. I have seen a match between abahani and mahamadan when fare brother (i hope i got the name right) played for abahani and in that match akram hit 6's and 4's like MURI in last overs were FB score 90+ but could hit boundaries... anyway they were great players at their time and I believe they have a lot to give to the youngsters of Bangladesh

[observer]

I would be interested to hear what are some of the qualities that ex-national players and senior players can offer to the younger generation of players?

What aspects are important?

What aspects have changed given that Bangladesh are now playing against professional nations?

How much of what worked in the past will work to ensure success in the future?

Do we need to reinforce the current cricket culture or change it? Will the current approach to cricket allow us to be successful in the future?

Be keen to hear your thoughts.

[oracle]

Do we need to reinforce the current cricket culture or change it? Will the current approach to cricket allow us to be successful in the future

We need a change. We need a cultural change and unfortunately this will happen quite slowly. However, as members have rightly pointed out, the senior players do have a lot to contribute and we all love them for all that they have done for a fledgling nation. Despite this the senior players are what they are, i.e the past , and somehow I hope the new crop of players have taken into their hearts all the positive aspects of these older players but also initiate a refreshing change.

Actually, this topic should be a thread on its own.

[Edited on 23-4-2004 by oracle]

[Ahmed_B]

Originally posted by oracle
What is Akram Khan doing in the league? They should leave the slots to players like Faisal and others.

wel wht do u think players like Heath Streak still doing in the international arena??!
what do u think Rafiq is doing even at his age of 33??!!!
tel me something.. do u actually even know the names of the ppl who brought our cricket at this stage??

[reinausagi]

Originally posted by oracle
What is Akram Khan doing in the league? They should leave the slots to players like Faisal and others.


1. There have been players in their fifties in county cricket.

2. Akram Khan ahas the right to make a living off of cricket just as anyone else.

3. It is not Akram's job to simply wither away and retire. If the young guns want his slot, they need to 'earn' it with their performance.

[Edited on 23-4-2004 by reinausagi]

[oracle]

tel me something.. do u actually even know the names of the ppl who brought our cricket at this stage??


Yes. I know. So. It's history.

The outside world has Streak. County cricket may have dozens of 50 year olds hanging around.

[chinaman]

In our pretest era, the goals usually revolve arround gaining international recognition, playing ellite tournaments, obtain test status etc. Players worked hard with heart and soul to gain pride. Now, with the status under the belt, we are involved in a different ball game, the game to maintain the pride and to stay competative with the test giants. It's an ongoing project which requires complete professionalism at every level. It's no longer a situation where we could vow to try to qualify for the "next" world cup if we fail this time. The previous generation of players did what they were ask to do, to gain access to the ellite group which was an one time prospect carried out through a number of years. But once there, as we are now, it's no longer a single project. To maintain this elliteness we must instill adaptiveness to our culture. Each and every nation of the ellite group continues to progress and we must ensure to the least that we do not stay far behind. The goal is different, the approach must be adjusted accordingly.

[mzia]

Originally posted by chinaman
the game to maintain the pride and to stay competative with the test giants. It's an ongoing project which requires complete professionalism at every level.

Exactly. This is not charitable arena. Ashraful made ton as youngest, no body gave him a slot, he earns now his responsibility to retain, Razin Saleh did not get any voluntary vacant palace, even he made his unique utility to promote himself. This is not NGO ground, so do or go for improvement…

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

ji bhai corporate cricket a jotodur jani faisal, bashar ebong hannan bhalo run peyeche. tobe ashraful kintu kichuta hotash koreche. tobe asha kori jara bhalo kheleni tara ashol jaigay jeye bhalo korbe. dannabad.

[Optimist]

Originally posted by observer
I would be interested to hear what are some of the qualities that ex-national players and senior players can offer to the younger generation of players?

What aspects are important?


You have raised some very valid questions. I will try to anser those through some examples. Look at the performances of some of the old-guards in the current Corporate League. I saw Enamul Hoque and Anisur Rahman outperforming our current national bowlers in a number of matches. Why did that happen? I'm sure peroformances in one match does not say much but I'm sure it will happen again. What does that say? It says under the conditions of those pitches these bowlers have some tricks up their sleeves that the new generations have not yet picked up. Have you followed Minhazul Abedin's winning knock? How many of the national players have shown this ability to carry the team through? And talking of the match winning knock, till today the most vital innings of our cricket history came from Akram Khan against the Netherland in the ICC trophy. These players are players who have experiences in the battle field to know firsthand that the game isn't over until it is over. This fighting quality has been sadly missing in our younger cricketers. Time and again we have seen them getting out not because of lack of talent but because the match situation has become critical. Just look at the last Zimbabwe series. 5 wickets fell in 14 deliveries. What we needed was some of the boys to stand up and take the responisbility when the going gets tough. This is what these new younger players can learn from the Akrams and Abedins.

[oracle]

What does that say? It says under the conditions of those pitches these bowlers have some tricks up their sleeves that the new generations have not yet picked up.



I fully respect the knocks that the seniors delivered. Optimist, I do agree with you that under pressure, i.e when the going gets tough, the senior players have the experience to carry the burden of salvaging a match. My main and perhaps only concern with the presence of the senior players is that some of these "tricks", as you mentioned, are not relevent in international situations. Also, are our pitches up to standard ? Maybe one or if we are lucky 2 pitches in the current tournament is up to test standards.

I just want these youngsters, who are at an impressionable stage in life, to start acquiring habits that will save them in years to come.

Perhaps it's too early to tell. Or is it? So let's see five years down the road what happens. Actually, this is what I used to tell detractors five years ago and maybe five years before that. The bottomline is there is a limit to patience.

One thing is certain, if these youngsters expose the same mistakes and inadequacies that were found in the senior players then something is wrong and then we must look at all aspects of our "culture". :)