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Kohli_Sox
March 19, 2016, 03:45 PM
So we all agree that this has been one of our saddest days. What concerning is that our board and team management are maintaing complete silence about the issue. I am yet to see anything official/unofficial despite the lawyer's post. Why such silence? For one thing, this will exclude unnecessary statements from officials as we hear sometimes but surely you have to make some statements? The two bowlers have been banned with one going through extremely shady process and you just name their recplacements? Is this incompetency or intentional?

Vepu
March 19, 2016, 03:54 PM
Im glad that they are not making a fool of themselves like Lotus. Give them time. We need to watch our steps now. If we are going to protest and take ICC on we have to be very very careful and professional. What we can do is keep putting pressure on BCB.

mufi_02
March 19, 2016, 03:55 PM
Maybe they are taking their time? What's the rush?

tonmoy.dhaka
March 19, 2016, 03:55 PM
On the contrary..
Sujon: We recieved the report from ICC yesterday.. it is a huge report. We have not finished reading it. Once we fully understand the reports, we will decide on the next steps.

http://bangla.bdnews24.com/cricket/article1122622.bdnews

Kohli_Sox
March 19, 2016, 03:59 PM
Exactly what I feared. Incompetency

Rinathq
March 19, 2016, 04:01 PM
BCB ain't PCB. They are a professional board and they won't or shouldn't take any action without fully assecessing the situation and consulting the specialists

brockley
March 19, 2016, 04:02 PM
Money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Vepu
March 19, 2016, 04:06 PM
Here you go. BCB may ask for a review after consulting with law years. http://m.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/804439/তাসকিনের-পরীক্ষা-নিয়েই-প্রশ্ন

view360
March 19, 2016, 04:09 PM
Why should BCB act differently than any other BD institution ? It is still run by Bangladeshis.

NoName
March 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
Yes because BCB running their mouth and having verbal diarrhea, like the PCB, is the best course of action required, right?

view360
March 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
Here you go. BCB may ask for a review after consulting with law years. http://m.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/804439/তাসকিনের-পরীক্ষা-নিয়েই-প্রশ্ন

Well , this is still not an official reaction from BCB. PA quoted some unnamed source.

Vepu
March 19, 2016, 04:14 PM
Well , this is still not an official reaction from BCB. PA quoted some unnamed source.

Vai re give them at least a day if not two

Rinathq
March 19, 2016, 04:20 PM
Well , this is still not an official reaction from BCB. PA quoted some unnamed source.

Because BCB hasn't even spoken on this. I am sure the priority is to get the substitutes to India first before looking at the suspension

Shubho
March 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
I'd rather they don't rush to action. Let them review the report and consult their legal advisors before commenting. That said, BCB could probably have issued a statement saying that they are reviewing their options and that they will make a more detailed announcement in due time.

Navo
March 19, 2016, 04:28 PM
We already know that they've been consulting lawyer(s) ever since Sunny and Taskin were reported. I don't think they're sitting on their hands and I, for one, am glad that they're not lashing out. I hope they can give a measured statement in due time.

tonmoy.dhaka
March 19, 2016, 04:31 PM
There is a professional way of dealing with things and than there is a lotus kamal/Ijaz butt way of dealing with things... I think what bcb is doing is being professional about it. We will learn about their next course of action in due time.

MohammedShamim
March 19, 2016, 06:49 PM
I believe in Papon, he will do a professional job.

Jadukor
March 19, 2016, 10:16 PM
Taking time analysing the report and building a strong response is good. Emotional response immediately would achieve nothing. I would send Taskin to australia at our own expense for a re-test while we prepare our response though.

Taskin is not a new bowler playing his first or second series. He played the ODI WC in front of the whole world and no one questioned anything. So obviously to have him reported in the middle of world cup and not before or after is a strange decision from ICC and one that would infuriate any cricketing nation not just us

Taskin's testing has procedural flaws. He was tested for bouncers while he didnt bowl any during the match he got reported. This needs to be investigated.


The match officials also need to be investigated because at least two umpires officiated in matches involving Taskin before and saw nothing wrong. Taskin's action has remained the same since debut so what changed after travelling to India.

We need an independent investigation on all of these issues.

We have to fight for Taskin.

Roni_uk
March 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
Nothing will happen. BCB wont do anything. We are just all wasting time. Taskin/Sunny suspension barely made the headline in the cricketing world. This is just another day for the game. We are neither a world beater nor the world is expecting us to win the world cup. Saying ICC did this unfairly is just ridiculous, even if its maybe the truth.

Rana Melb
March 20, 2016, 12:12 AM
May be waiting for wc to finish. Don't want an extra pressure on players. We ve to wait n see.

view360
March 20, 2016, 01:01 AM
Everyone is talking about how professional BCB has been in handling of the current crisis involving Taskin and Arafat. The assuring words are coming from people who are not speaking on behalf of BCB. These are merely conjectures even though people love assurances. Can someone please tell us why India was selected to do the biomechanic test instead of , say UK ? Specially , when the career of two players was at stake.

Night_wolf
March 20, 2016, 01:13 AM
Everyone is talking about how professional BCB has been in handling of the current crisis involving Taskin and Arafat. The assuring words are coming from people who are not speaking on behalf of BCB. These are merely conjectures even though people love assurances. Can someone please tell us why India was selected to do the biomechanic test instead of , say UK ? Specially , when the career of two players was at stake.

1. The WC is going on in India, so they are already in India
2. they had to be tested within 7 days, visa is a problem here if you go to UK or Aus
3. they had matches to participate so going to UK or AUS then coming back in such a short time wasn't feasible

view360
March 20, 2016, 01:19 AM
1. The WC is going on in India, so they are already in India
2. they had to be tested within 7 days, visa is a problem here if you go to UK or Aus
3. they had matches to participate so going to UK or AUS then coming back in such a short time wasn't feasible

U.K. visa centre for BD nationals is in Delhi. Did they ever even try ? BCB was acting selfishly. Now , WC is over for these two.

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 01:25 AM
I am glad BCB hasn't issued any irresponsible statements similar to that of Mustafa Kamal post quarter-final match. Have trust in the system, if they are clean, they will be cleared.

I see a lot of them believe, it has got something to do with BCCI but no one thought about Australia, the match in which he was reported had an Australian officiating too. Australia have actually never played BD before, why can't they be the ones conspiring against you? For once, let Australia be the bad guy in this episode until everything gets sorted out. :)

Zunaid
March 20, 2016, 01:29 AM
// sarcasm on

Of course, the Bangladesh team was identified by the BCCI as the sole team capable of upsetting the home team and take the championship. The number 10 ranking of Bangladesh is just the consequence of a villainous plan hatched years ago by BCB to lull the BCCB into complacency and direct their focus on the improperly ranked top teams. However, this dastardly plan was discovered by RAW agents who hacked into the BCB via the weak BB (Bangladesh bank) firewall. Their only recourse was to then finagle the umpires into declaring the actions suspect of their top performers. Ergo.

// sarcasm off

Seriously - let's lay off the conspiracy theories.

Target your anger more at the whole incompetent process of how suspect actions are reported and tested. We have a case with Taskin. By yelling about conspiracies or appealing to the White House or similar tactics will lay credence to the supposition that the fans are crazy and we have no case.

Let that not be the case.

Roey Haque
March 20, 2016, 01:31 AM
Response, no response. I have very little faith in BCB. Providing the bare minimums to keep people complacent is what they do best.

Whatever they will do, will be just covering the cracks with masking tape.

Papon is a shill, who has other shills advising him.

Night_wolf
March 20, 2016, 01:32 AM
I am glad BCB hasn't issued any irresponsible statements similar to that of Mustafa Kamal post quarter-final match. Have trust in the system, if they are clean, they will be cleared.

I see a lot of them believe, it has got something to do with BCCI but no one thought about Australia, the match in which he was reported had an Australian officiating too. Australia have actually never played BD before, why can't they be the ones conspiring against you? For once, let Australia be the bad guy in this episode until everything gets sorted out. :)

because that Aus official officiated in matches where Tashkin bowled before and didn't say anything

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 01:44 AM
because that Aus official officiated in matches where Tashkin bowled before and didn't say anything

Maybe Tashkin bowled well in those games, he didnt in this one in which he was reported? Reporting also works on consensus, I am not sure if you know. The on-field umpires consult amongst each other before filing an official report but 1 feels stronger than the other. Besides, it will be too foolish of the BCCI to attempt anything as stupid as this. Thats just my opinion. I cant change what you wish to believe though.

Kohli_Sox
March 20, 2016, 01:49 AM
Aaron Phangiso was banned and then he got retested and cleared to play WC. He only worked with SA bowling coach for 1 week to resurrect his action. CSA stood beside him and got him cleared. They acted fast. BCB needs to do a similar thing. Taskin needs to get retested and I am sure he will come out fresh again.

WarWolf
March 20, 2016, 01:55 AM
Maybe Tashkin bowled well in those games, he didnt in this one in which he was reported? Reporting also works on consensus, I am not sure if you know. The on-field umpires consult amongst each other before filing an official report but 1 feels stronger than the other. Besides, it will be too foolish of the BCCI to attempt anything as stupid as this. Thats just my opinion. I cant change what you wish to believe though.
When the system is not transparent, people will raise questions.

Be honest and give your opinion....do you feel that the whole chucking reporting and testing procedure transparent and logical?

Night_wolf
March 20, 2016, 01:57 AM
Maybe Tashkin bowled well in those games, he didnt in this one in which he was reported? Reporting also works on consensus, I am not sure if you know. The on-field umpires consult amongst each other before filing an official report but 1 feels stronger than the other. Besides, it will be too foolish of the BCCI to attempt anything as stupid as this. Thats just my opinion. I cant change what you wish to believe though.

I know what you are talking about and I am not blaming the Ind umpire in qus. I am just showing you why some of the over the top fans are attacking the Ind ump

Kingslayer
March 20, 2016, 01:57 AM
Aaron Phangiso was banned and then he got retested and cleared to play WC. He only worked with SA bowling coach for 1 week to resurrect his action. CSA stood beside him and got him cleared. They acted fast. BCB needs to do a similar thing. Taskin needs to get retested and I am sure he will come out fresh again.

I would rather he takes his time than do a rush job. Why in such a hurry?

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 02:00 AM
When the system is not transparent, people will raise questions.

Be honest and give your opinion....do you feel that the whole chucking reporting and testing procedure transparent and logical?

Neither is it logical or transparent but many bowlers have been reported in the past and had to endure the same level of frustration that BD fans are currently experiencing.

I see a lot of comments about how they have already lost faith. Not my business but a lot of BD fans lose faith too soon and then become super confident on the back of a single win, just something that I noticed. Its good to balance the both out. Have patience and faith, there are bowlers who were cleared through the same system before, I dont see why BD bowlers can't through the same illogical and non-transparent system.

Does BD have anyone else to replace him? Whats the bowling bench strength like?

WarWolf
March 20, 2016, 02:16 AM
Neither is it logical or transparent but many bowlers have been reported in the past and had to endure the same level of frustration that BD fans are currently experiencing.

I see a lot of comments about how they have already lost faith. Not my business but a lot of BD fans lose faith too soon and then become super confident on the back of a single win, just something that I noticed. Its good to balance the both out. Have patience and faith, there are bowlers who were cleared through the same system before, I dont see why BD bowlers can't through the same illogical and non-transparent system.

Does BD have anyone else to replace him? Whats the bowling bench strength like?
Our fan culture is comparatively newer. We have never seen our team playing good regularly. The team has been doing good for last 1 year or so. This is a new experience for us. We are just learning how to manage the balance between hope and frustration. It will be fine with time.

At the same time, emergence of Big 3 jeopardized the future of the game. It is not the same gentlemen's game anymore. Now it's a fully commercial game. Everything about cricket is money and power. Non-test playing countries are not finding any backing because they are not good revenue generators.

The timing of the call is not right. The on-field umpires were Indian and Australian. Both countries are part of big 3. This created additional confusion.

When there is imbalance in money and power, it's really hard to keep the faith.

Nocturnal
March 20, 2016, 02:16 AM
Thank you BCB for not jumping up & down like many fans ... Take your time & deal with it in a mature professional way ...
It is what it is ...

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 02:35 AM
Our fan culture is comparatively newer. We have never seen our team playing good regularly. The team has been doing good for last 1 year or so. This is a new experience for us. We are just learning how to manage the balance between hope and frustration. It will be fine with time.

At the same time, emergence of Big 3 jeopardized the future of the game. It is not the same gentlemen's game anymore. Now it's a fully commercial game. Everything about cricket is money and power. Non-test playing countries are not finding any backing because they are not good revenue generators.

The timing of the call is not right. The on-field umpires were Indian and Australian. Both countries are part of big 3. This created additional confusion.

When there is imbalance in money and power, it's really hard to keep the faith.

Your team has been playing incredible cricket, no doubt and you have every right to be confident of your teams performance. All I was trying to say is dont swing between extremes, even if its new for your team.

I understand your annoyance with the Big 3 but being a capitalist myself, I dont believe in either taking or giving free lunch. It is commercial alright, which game is not?

horizon
March 20, 2016, 02:42 AM
The silence sometimes shows maturity, which I expected BCB to show. A careful next step should see Taskin crossing barriers ... wait and watch.

WarWolf
March 20, 2016, 02:51 AM
Your team has been playing incredible cricket, no doubt and you have every right to be confident of your teams performance. All I was trying to say is dont swing between extremes, even if its new for your team.

I understand your annoyance with the Big 3 but being a capitalist myself, I dont believe in either taking or giving free lunch. It is commercial alright, which game is not?
I personally belief in the spirit of the game, cricket. I have grown up in 80s and early 90s having extreme passion about the game.

This is a gentlemen's game to me. You cannot 100% commercialize everything. You should not.

Well bilolar extremism is part of subcontinental culture.

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 02:55 AM
I personally belief in the spirit of the game, cricket. I have grown up in 80s and early 90s having extreme passion about the game.

This is a gentlemen's game to me. You cannot 100% commercialize everything. You should not.

If you live in the US, you would know that the football game lasts 3 hours+ on an average with a staggering 100 commercials+, countless breaks for strategies. I understand that you grew up in the 80s and 90s and are passionate, so am I and many others who watch superbowl or football that rake in way more moolah than cricket.

If cricket is to survive, this had to happen. Without money, passions die out. And since BCCI brings in the largest part of the said revenues, I dont understand why it shouldnt be allowed to keep a good chunk of it. Pure capitalism.

For eg: US doesnt share its revenues, it gives out aid to countries. Thats how the world works, I am sorry if I was blunt but thats just how the world works.

jeesh
March 20, 2016, 03:41 AM
Your argument is fundamentally the same as Real Madrid and Barca in La Liga. We bring most money, support thus we deserve the lions share of TV money. So for the last decade and a half Barca, Madrid raked in close to 150 Mill year with the 3rd side earning just around 30. Atletico Madrid challenged the duopoly by winning La Liga only to be earning 40-50 Mill as champions, whereas 20th placed relegated Cardiff earned more than Atletico.

The result: La Liga is the eventual loser. EPL may have not produced continental dominating sides, but the brand of football, the degree of competition is so fantastic that its the NBA of the football. No one cares about La Liga (I am a Valencia fan), even the Spanish national team is going through one of their worst eras, and the quality of upcoming players is not at all encouraging. All the result of 2 teams eating up all the money resulting in an uncompetitive unimaginative league where survival from bankruptcy takes precedence over performance.

If cricket is to increase its popularity and grow, this parochialism must end. Remember its not just the money that is flowing, along with money they will also control everything from who gets banned to who can play, who cant, how the game is to be played-all with their interests in mind. Sorry but this WC is just proof of the degrading governance of the game, from the voices of the associates to the ban of an innocent player under dodgy circumstances. Sadly this aint a gentlemans game anymore

tobeornottob
March 20, 2016, 04:02 AM
I find this entire episode of Taskin being labeled a chucker ridiculous...Umpires who have made this call must seriously have their vision test done. I have been following cricket for over 3 decades now and have seen a fair share of chuckers who are even tagged as legends of the game...Akthar, Harbhajan, Ajmal (until he was called out), Shoaib Malik (when he came onto the scene and for a long time was Pakistan's key bowler), Brett Lee (when he tried to bowl a yorker though not always but on some occasions did chuck), Marlon Samuels, Narine and the list goes on....

One thing I noticed in all the bowlers who had suspect action is that they wore a full sleeve shirt and again I found this to be very silly reason but one thing which made sense. Except for Murali no bowler had the guts to bowl with half sleeve on...Murali's case was of Aussies spite for him more than anything else....

Anyways in Taskin's case I see nothing... he has a very smooth action and there is no jerk or unusual bent as may be the case with Sunny or even for that matter Al-Amin...

Just my 2 cents

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 05:07 AM
http://m.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/804634/‘সাধারণ-প্রক্রিয়ার-বাইরেও-চেষ্টা-করছে-বিসিবি’
http://m.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/804619/তাসকিনের-ব্যাপারে-আপিল-করবে-বিসিবি

Here we go. BCB wants Taskin against Australia match

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 05:08 AM
Sunny returned but Taskin still in India. BCB trying to get Taskin cleared before Australia match

Night_wolf
March 20, 2016, 05:17 AM
Sunny returned but Taskin still in India. BCB trying to get Taskin cleared before Australia match

comeback before the Aus match is impossible, atm i dont even care about this WC anymore. I want BCB do everything in its power because this was injustice to this young lad. he needs to find out he is 100% legit.

Night_wolf
March 20, 2016, 05:24 AM
our board is handling this very professionally our fans in social media on the other hand has gone pure mental..some of the pictures that they are throwing around :facepalm:..what are these fools thinking? do they think these will help tashkin. will icc have any sympathy for tashkin after all these?

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 05:28 AM
comeback before the Aus match is impossible, atm i dont even care about this WC anymore. I want BCB do everything in its power because this was injustice to this young lad. he needs to find out he is 100% legit.
Im just saying what Papon said

horizon
March 20, 2016, 06:20 AM
Your argument is fundamentally the same as Real Madrid and Barca in La Liga. We bring most money, support thus we deserve the lions share of TV money. So for the last decade and a half Barca, Madrid raked in close to 150 Mill year with the 3rd side earning just around 30. Atletico Madrid challenged the duopoly by winning La Liga only to be earning 40-50 Mill as champions, whereas 20th placed relegated Cardiff earned more than Atletico.

The result: La Liga is the eventual loser. EPL may have not produced continental dominating sides, but the brand of football, the degree of competition is so fantastic that its the NBA of the football. No one cares about La Liga (I am a Valencia fan), even the Spanish national team is going through one of their worst eras, and the quality of upcoming players is not at all encouraging. All the result of 2 teams eating up all the money resulting in an uncompetitive unimaginative league where survival from bankruptcy takes precedence over performance.

If cricket is to increase its popularity and grow, this parochialism must end. Remember its not just the money that is flowing, along with money they will also control everything from who gets banned to who can play, who cant, how the game is to be played-all with their interests in mind. Sorry but this WC is just proof of the degrading governance of the game, from the voices of the associates to the ban of an innocent player under dodgy circumstances. Sadly this aint a gentlemans game anymore

Really?

simon
March 20, 2016, 07:01 AM
If BCB manages to postpone the ban on Taskin then Hom might have to come back Hom. :-p

Nadim
March 20, 2016, 07:57 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2016/content/story/986217.html

Bcb appeal to ICC

MohammedShamim
March 20, 2016, 07:59 AM
Direct contact with ICC chief, hmm. I hope the ban gets removed quickly.

jeesh
March 20, 2016, 08:01 AM
@Horizon am sure you remember the last WC. The golden era seems to over, and the lack of talent in the pipeline doesnt suggest a quick come back.

rezwansyed
March 20, 2016, 08:02 AM
Silence...it's a mature response from BCB.

PoorFan
March 20, 2016, 08:15 AM
BCB is trying their best, though we should not hold our hopes high to see Taskin back soon.

Roni_uk
March 20, 2016, 08:31 AM
http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/804619

is this genuine... BCB appeals?

MohammedShamim
March 20, 2016, 08:34 AM
Yes Roni bro, check Post 49, link provided to cricinfo. Hasan contacted ICC CEO and Chairman.

jeesh
March 20, 2016, 09:09 AM
This guy is not like his predecessors. There will be no slip of tongue. He will handle everything by the book with the greatest level of diplomacy. I only hope this works in our favor.

MHRAM
March 20, 2016, 09:13 AM
I am not a big fan of polticians, but hands down, Nazmul Hassan Papon has been one of the best board presidents we have had so far.

What I love about him is, he is thoroughly professional and does not resort to going to the nonsense route like Kamal and co. did. He and saber has taken our crickets to good positions.

Also loved how he did not plan on taking legal action. We know that is too farfetched

horizon
March 20, 2016, 09:13 AM
@Horizon am sure you remember the last WC. The golden era seems to over, and the lack of talent in the pipeline doesnt suggest a quick come back.

Sorry mate, Spain still was way ahead of England, to your point.

horizon
March 20, 2016, 09:14 AM
BCB did the right first step. Let's see what ICC does.

RazabQ
March 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Very funny that be_friend_13 makes mention of the NFL but doesn't touch upon the biggest contributor to NFL parity. EVERY team gets EQUAL share of the TV revenue. Yeah chew on that. The Dallas Cowboys with their fancy stadium and zillions of Superbowl titles get the same slice of FOX or ESPN money as does the el-cheapo Cincinnati Bengals or the tiny town Green Bay Packers. Would Jerry Jones want more slice of the pie? Sure? But the equal revenue distribution allows every team to believe they can win the Super Bowl and, more realistically, win "any given Sunday".

Before one comes and spouts off, it would be good to do some HW. Here, some light reading:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/Moorhead.pdf

RazabQ
March 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
I do agree that BD fans tend to yo-yo between abyss and exuberance quite readily and probably need to simmer down a a tad. But that is Bangalis in general. We are emotional. Anyone who hangs out with Bangalis know that behind that yo-yo emotion is love.

horizon
March 20, 2016, 12:57 PM
Very funny that be_friend_13 makes mention of the NFL but doesn't touch upon the biggest contributor to NFL parity. EVERY team gets EQUAL share of the TV revenue. Yeah chew on that. The Dallas Cowboys with their fancy stadium and zillions of Superbowl titles get the same slice of FOX or ESPN money as does the el-cheapo Cincinnati Bengals or the tiny town Green Bay Packers. Would Jerry Jones want more slice of the pie? Sure? But the equal revenue distribution allows every team to believe they can win the Super Bowl and, more realistically, win "any given Sunday".

Before one comes and spouts off, it would be good to do some HW. Here, some light reading:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/Moorhead.pdf

Yup and all clubs are part of the economy of the same country. Any player can play for any club. Both of these are not true for international sports. That's why this distribution system is rare in international areana. US Olympics team gets more profits than any other country. The same country but they expect different things in national and international areana.

Kohli_Sox
March 20, 2016, 12:57 PM
ICC will not let Taskin play anytime soon or at least before a retest because that will bring shame to the organization directly. People will ask why Taskin was banned then in the first place. That will create more controversy for ICC. So they will not lift Taskin's ban easily is my prediction.

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Very funny that be_friend_13 makes mention of the NFL but doesn't touch upon the biggest contributor to NFL parity. EVERY team gets EQUAL share of the TV revenue. Yeah chew on that. The Dallas Cowboys with their fancy stadium and zillions of Superbowl titles get the same slice of FOX or ESPN money as does the el-cheapo Cincinnati Bengals or the tiny town Green Bay Packers. Would Jerry Jones want more slice of the pie? Sure? But the equal revenue distribution allows every team to believe they can win the Super Bowl and, more realistically, win "any given Sunday".

Before one comes and spouts off, it would be good to do some HW. Here, some light reading:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/Moorhead.pdf

Good job foul mouthing me when I was away.

Anyway, dont they all belong to the same country USA? Did you take that into account? As I said, no free lunch, my friend. However blunt that might sound, thats how the world functions. If your country is contributing 20% to the revenues of world cricket, I dont see a reason why you shouldnt be allowed to take home atleast 15% or even better, all of 20% and then contribute equally to ICC towards promotion of cricket in other countries.

Your argument is fundamentally the same as Real Madrid and Barca in La Liga. We bring most money, support thus we deserve the lions share of TV money. So for the last decade and a half Barca, Madrid raked in close to 150 Mill year with the 3rd side earning just around 30. Atletico Madrid challenged the duopoly by winning La Liga only to be earning 40-50 Mill as champions, whereas 20th placed relegated Cardiff earned more than Atletico.

The result: La Liga is the eventual loser. EPL may have not produced continental dominating sides, but the brand of football, the degree of competition is so fantastic that its the NBA of the football. No one cares about La Liga (I am a Valencia fan), even the Spanish national team is going through one of their worst eras, and the quality of upcoming players is not at all encouraging. All the result of 2 teams eating up all the money resulting in an uncompetitive unimaginative league where survival from bankruptcy takes precedence over performance.

If cricket is to increase its popularity and grow, this parochialism must end. Remember its not just the money that is flowing, along with money they will also control everything from who gets banned to who can play, who cant, how the game is to be played-all with their interests in mind. Sorry but this WC is just proof of the degrading governance of the game, from the voices of the associates to the ban of an innocent player under dodgy circumstances. Sadly this aint a gentlemans game anymore

Your comparison is flawed. As a banker, I understand how valuation works. Try to look up how FIFA as the governing body gets its revenues and what individual countries contribute, that would be a better model to compare too. This comparison or NFL comparison is appropriate with IPL.

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Je jai boluk vai talgach ta amar.

view360
March 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Good job foul mouthing me when I was away.

Anyway, dont they all belong to the same country USA? Did you take that into account? As I said, no free lunch, my friend. However blunt that might sound, thats how the world functions. If your country is contributing 20% to the revenues of world cricket, I dont see a reason why you shouldnt be allowed to take home atleast 15% or even better, all of 20% and then contribute equally to ICC towards promotion of cricket in other countries.



Your comparison is flawed. As a banker, I understand how valuation works. Try to look up how FIFA as the governing body gets its revenues and what individual countries contribute, that would be a better model to compare too. This comparison or NFL comparison is appropriate with IPL.

Right. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

be_friend_13
March 20, 2016, 02:35 PM
Right. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Or they call it Capitalism in simple words

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 02:38 PM
Capitalism er flag bearer ashche amar. Jottosob ajaira

horizon
March 20, 2016, 02:42 PM
Right. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Yup, those "more equals" were 10, now they are 3.

mij
March 20, 2016, 03:16 PM
Doesn't matter what BCB or anyone does my guess is Taskin is not coming back for while. There is no way he will be back during the WC, if he does there will be big ? mark on ICC reporting Taskin in first place.

horizon
March 20, 2016, 03:45 PM
Doesn't matter what BCB or anyone does my guess is Taskin is not coming back for while. There is no way he will be back during the WC, if he does there will be big ? mark on ICC reporting Taskin in first place.

ICC could always take time to review the appeal and release a stay order on Taskin's ban. That way Taskin's case is sidelined and he can complete the tournament.

mij
March 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
ICC could always take time to review the appeal and release a stay order on Taskin's ban. That way Taskin's case is sidelined and he can complete the tournament.

Why do you think they want to do that?

Vepu
March 20, 2016, 04:33 PM
Well they were too eager to get the test done and publish result ASAP. I dont see any reason why cant they review it quickly unless they want Taskin out for particular matches

horizon
March 20, 2016, 06:03 PM
Why do you think they want to do that?

I don't think all parts are working in sync here. Some parts of ICC are still loyal to Srini, others are to Manohar. This might be a result of an internal clash. Last time during Murali, the battle was between Eng-Aus and Asians.

view360
March 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
I don't think all parts are working in sync here. Some parts of ICC are still loyal to Srini, others are to Manohar. This might be a result of an internal clash. Last time during Murali, the battle was between Eng-Aus and Asians.

Murali's case was 'humanitarian', he had a 'natural cause'. Political correctness has been more forgiving to selective humanitarian causes than some national pride issue. Political correctness discourages nationalist views. One needs to have some congenital 'disability' and non white background to draw some sympathy.

BengaliPagol
March 20, 2016, 07:31 PM
ICC will not let Taskin play anytime soon or at least before a retest because that will bring shame to the organization directly. People will ask why Taskin was banned then in the first place. That will create more controversy for ICC. So they will not lift Taskin's ban easily is my prediction.

yea i agree. It would be like an ep straight out of 'House of Cards'.

G-man
March 20, 2016, 07:58 PM
yea i agree. It would be like an ep straight out of 'House of Cards'.

So true! Season 4 house of cards, get so much better after first few episodes!!;p

Rana Melb
March 20, 2016, 08:32 PM
Timing of the decision is surprising. Quick turn around and suspicious report have ignited the entire issue. ICC lost his credibility. I believe this issue will drag for long and eventually they ve to revamp the bowling action test procedure.
PS Btw how come none of the indian bowlers are not being challenged by ICC. Very suspicious indeed.

Kohli_Sox
March 20, 2016, 10:51 PM
Timing of the decision is surprising. Quick turn around and suspicious report have ignited the entire issue. ICC lost his credibility. I believe this issue will drag for long and eventually they ve to revamp the bowling action test procedure.
PS Btw how come none of the indian bowlers are not being challenged by ICC. Very suspicious indeed.

Shhhhh the legendary Ojha was banned. This is their defence.

RazabQ
March 20, 2016, 11:43 PM
Yup and all clubs are part of the economy of the same country. Any player can play for any club. Both of these are not true for international sports. That's why this distribution system is rare in international areana. US Olympics team gets more profits than any other country. The same country but they expect different things in national and international areana.I didn't bring up the example of NFL man, he/she did :)

And what about West Indies? Should Trinidad get more revenue than Leeward Islands? They are separate countries? Like I often say, with great power comes great responsibility :)

RazabQ
March 20, 2016, 11:48 PM
Good job foul mouthing me when I was away.Where exactly did I "foul mouth" you man? I poked at your argument. You brought up NFL and I pointed out flaws. Then you say, oh well NFL is not an exact comparison. Then don't introduce it in the first place. And why would I wait till you were gone. I suspect you are on the East Coast. We are just 3 hrs off. Now who's being conspiratorial when there is a simple explanation? :)

RazabQ
March 20, 2016, 11:55 PM
Our friends from India, there may be a cultural difference between the two countries at play here.

See, Bangladeshis are known for their hospitality and generosity. You go to a village and the even the poorest man will invite you and share ALL his food with you. Even the chicken he was saving up, he will slaughter and feed you. He will feel it's his duty and pleasure. In a similar vein to most Bangladeshis, the thinking would be that if the big cricket power is generating the revenue, surely they will think of the whole cricket world and be sharing for the well being of the game.

I get it. India is this capitalistic super power. You have the world's best IT oursourcing. So, the Indian fans here on BC, and many of the BCCI big shots are more of the mindset: "It's mine biotch! Suck it Associates and choto-bhais. I gets to make it, I gets to keep it"

That is your right of course. It's just not the Bangladeshi way.

jeesh
March 21, 2016, 12:32 AM
Sorry mate, Spain still was way ahead of England, to your point.
Well if all the English clubs decide on prioritizing foreigners over locals, naturally that would be the result. But Spain is also susceptible to this. Some of the best young players are moving to England, Germany where there is more money.

godzilla
March 21, 2016, 12:40 AM
Our friends from India, there may be a cultural difference between the two countries at play here.

See, Bangladeshis are known for their hospitality and generosity. You go to a village and the even the poorest man will invite you and share ALL his food with you. Even the chicken he was saving up, he will slaughter and feed you. He will feel it's his duty and pleasure. In a similar vein to most Bangladeshis, the thinking would be that if the big cricket power is generating the revenue, surely they will think of the whole cricket world and be sharing for the well being of the game.

I get it. India is this capitalistic super power. You have the world's best IT oursourcing. So, the Indian fans here on BC, and many of the BCCI big shots are more of the mindset: "It's mine biotch! Suck it Associates and choto-bhais. I gets to make it, I gets to keep it"

That is your right of course. It's just not the Bangladeshi way.

I don't know how true this is but I do have a lot of Indian friends and none have this mentality except one tool bag who no longer is a mate.

RazabQ
March 21, 2016, 01:07 AM
Which part? I'm only claiming the Bangladeshi part. The visitors are insisting "capitalism baby! we don't share nuffink!" Hence I'm _positing_ that there is a cultural difference. Notice I say "_may_ be"

horizon
March 21, 2016, 01:59 AM
I didn't bring up the example of NFL man, he/she did :)

And what about West Indies? Should Trinidad get more revenue than Leeward Islands? They are separate countries? Like I often say, with great power comes great responsibility :)

You still didn't show any example of the same in international sports. May be no one is yet responsible enough :) ...

horizon
March 21, 2016, 02:00 AM
Our friends from India, there may be a cultural difference between the two countries at play here.

See, Bangladeshis are known for their hospitality and generosity. You go to a village and the even the poorest man will invite you and share ALL his food with you. Even the chicken he was saving up, he will slaughter and feed you. He will feel it's his duty and pleasure. In a similar vein to most Bangladeshis, the thinking would be that if the big cricket power is generating the revenue, surely they will think of the whole cricket world and be sharing for the well being of the game.

I get it. India is this capitalistic super power. You have the world's best IT oursourcing. So, the Indian fans here on BC, and many of the BCCI big shots are more of the mindset: "It's mine biotch! Suck it Associates and choto-bhais. I gets to make it, I gets to keep it"

That is your right of course. It's just not the Bangladeshi way.

Well, then may be Bangladesh should start with a revenue sharing with a few Associate teams. Why not? With great powers comes the responsibility ... :)

WarWolf
March 21, 2016, 02:14 AM
Well, then may be Bangladesh should start with a revenue sharing with a few Associate teams. Why not? With great powers comes the responsibility ... :)
Sure. But it has to be done through a centralized policy for all the members.That's why ICC is there.

Right? :)

horizon
March 21, 2016, 02:14 AM
On revenue, I always want BCCI to give up some of its stake in favor of investment. I fully support Manohar to give up 6%, with a subtle difference that this should fund the have nots - Associates. 6% of BCCI should be enough to fund at least 5 teams and ACC. Lets assume England and Australia subsequently gives up 1% each and England further sponsors ECC. What do we get? We get 7 additional teams with may be permanent ODI status, 16 good team ODI WC and more talents in the IPLs and BPLs. In one of these markets (say USA) if cricket is somewhat successful as commodity, then India's share of revenue generation will decrease.

But this will never happen. He will give some of this 6% to the members too and that's where I don't think the justice is being done. Unless Associates get more money, India will remain on that 70% mark of revenue generator and cricket will be stuck as chicken-and-egg problem. It's a cycle which would lead cricket gravitate towards IPL alone.

horizon
March 21, 2016, 02:16 AM
Sure. But it has to be done through a centralized policy for all the members.That's why ICC is there.

Right? :)

Right. Let BCB take the lead and put it as a proposal in next ICC meet. I would love to see those headlines :)

WarWolf
March 21, 2016, 02:18 AM
Right. Let BCB take the lead and put it as a proposal in next ICC meet. I would love to see those headlines :)
Yes. I would love to see that happen.

Always believed in the spirit of the game and wanting to see cricket becoming a true global sport.

horizon
March 21, 2016, 02:37 AM
Yes. I would love to see that happen.

Always believed in the spirit of the game and wanting to see cricket becoming a true global sport.

If you are not aware, ball is actually in BCB's court now. ICC has made a Governance Review Committee with BCB chief as the head of that committee. He will present his report on April 16th jointly with four other committee heads.

WarWolf
March 21, 2016, 02:39 AM
If you are not aware, ball is actually in BCB's court now. ICC has made a Governance Review Committee with BCB chief as the head of that committee. He will present his report on April 16th jointly with four other committee heads.
I really doubt if BCB has the balls to do anything positive for the game. All I can hope is they will prove me wrong. :)

horizon
March 21, 2016, 02:43 AM
I really doubt if BCB has the balls to do anything positive for the game. All I can hope is they will provide me wrong. :)

See the problem, even one-good-Indian heading BCCI can't do it for the same reason. If someone does try, he'd be pulled down by the others. :) The same way I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

view360
March 21, 2016, 04:05 AM
BCB shifted it's stance now

নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক এক বোর্ড কর্মকর্তা এর কারণ ব্যাখ্যা করতে গিয়ে বলেছেন, ‘আইসিসির পরিবর্তিত নিয়ম অনুযায়ী পরীক্ষাতেও কোনো একটা ডেলিভারি সঠিক মনে না হলে অ্যাকশন অবৈধ ঘোষণা করা হতে পারে। আইসিসির প্লেয়িং কন্ডিশনে প্রায়ই বিভিন্ন সংশোধনী অন্তর্ভুক্ত হয়। হয়তো এই নিয়মটাও নতুন ঢুকেছে।’

http://m.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/805690/তাসকিনের-নিষেধাজ্ঞা–সিদ্ধ ন্তের-রিভিউ-চাচ্ছে

be_friend_13
March 21, 2016, 09:10 PM
Where exactly did I "foul mouth" you man? I poked at your argument. You brought up NFL and I pointed out flaws. Then you say, oh well NFL is not an exact comparison. Then don't introduce it in the first place. And why would I wait till you were gone. I suspect you are on the East Coast. We are just 3 hrs off. Now who's being conspiratorial when there is a simple explanation? :)

Razaq, we were talking about how commercialization is not entirely bad and thats when I quoted NFL- Superbowl and immensely popular it is despite the 100s of commercials. You mixed my argument about capitalism and commercialization of sport.

Our friends from India, there may be a cultural difference between the two countries at play here.

See, Bangladeshis are known for their hospitality and generosity. You go to a village and the even the poorest man will invite you and share ALL his food with you. Even the chicken he was saving up, he will slaughter and feed you. He will feel it's his duty and pleasure. In a similar vein to most Bangladeshis, the thinking would be that if the big cricket power is generating the revenue, surely they will think of the whole cricket world and be sharing for the well being of the game.

I get it. India is this capitalistic super power. You have the world's best IT oursourcing. So, the Indian fans here on BC, and many of the BCCI big shots are more of the mindset: "It's mine biotch! Suck it Associates and choto-bhais. I gets to make it, I gets to keep it"

That is your right of course. It's just not the Bangladeshi way.

I apologize but we all need to stop putting up this facade of not being "capitalist" and all for social & economic equality when neither of us practice anything remotely close to it in our real lives. The last I checked Bangladesh is not a communist nation, its a democracy and becoming increasingly capitalist by the day with increasing levels of income.

I interned at Grameen bank, learnt about Prof. Yunus's social business initiatives where the driving factor is not profit but development and upliftment of the impoverished but how many social businesses do we have in BD itself?

Please feel free to call me out on my BS when we all start practicing what we preach in our personal lives. I am sure you earn way more than an average Bangladeshi. When you plan on sharing your wealth with your colleagues who earn less than you, forget your country men just share with your family and friends and makes others do the same as well, we can talk more about why BCCI is not willing to be more magnanimous.

I've witnessed the magnanimity of the poor in your country-side 1st hand and I did my best to bail a few out with my personal money when I was in BD for my internship but the story is just the same on this side of the border. Education makes you smart, too smart for to be generous to others.

As I have said earlier, I apologize if I come across as too blunt but I stand by BCCI for taking what it deserves. You cant put us down for that.

be_friend_13
March 21, 2016, 09:12 PM
On revenue, I always want BCCI to give up some of its stake in favor of investment. I fully support Manohar to give up 6%, with a subtle difference that this should fund the have nots - Associates. 6% of BCCI should be enough to fund at least 5 teams and ACC. Lets assume England and Australia subsequently gives up 1% each and England further sponsors ECC. What do we get? We get 7 additional teams with may be permanent ODI status, 16 good team ODI WC and more talents in the IPLs and BPLs. In one of these markets (say USA) if cricket is somewhat successful as commodity, then India's share of revenue generation will decrease.

But this will never happen. He will give some of this 6% to the members too and that's where I don't think the justice is being done. Unless Associates get more money, India will remain on that 70% mark of revenue generator and cricket will be stuck as chicken-and-egg problem. It's a cycle which would lead cricket gravitate towards IPL alone.

I disagree. India should no doubt give up the lions share of its revenues, however, the other full members of the cricketing world are not poor, comparatively poor, yes but not poor. They should be asked to give up more too for the overall development of cricket in the non-cricketing world.