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Zeeshan
January 3, 2017, 10:10 PM
Some call it enlightenment. Some shift in thinking. Many times psilocybin induced, while monks get it from deep meditation with years of trials even while even so some in sudden realization either through shock or bereavement. Some call it the light switch, some find it in form of NDE etcetera.

I am very much interested in your subjective experience. The avenue can be anything... and maybe I will get to share mine. I used to have some experience everyday when I used to try cannabis but I quit that so I don't get those anymore.

Basically what's your cosmic joke moment (http://upliftconnect.com/cosmic-joke/).

Jadukor
January 6, 2017, 10:28 AM
most profound realization of today
This thread ain't gonna fly

ReZ_1
January 8, 2017, 12:45 AM
You have to work hard.. there are no alternate ways...

Zeeshan
January 8, 2017, 03:52 PM
What's your WHY? What makes you get up in the morning ever day? Japanese have a term called ikigai. But on a greater context what is it? Note not what you do, but WHY you do what you do (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbEih0G4eHQ).

More useful links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6_PMbXllac&t=1525s

(In this video I like the fact the speaker relates that your WHY should be so great, that they have to pull you out of a stretcher before you quit.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRaqe9M2DYc

Simon Sinek. Expert on WHY

https://www.startwithwhy.com/

Interesting Questionnaire

http://www.patrickbetdavid.com/ultimate-questionnaire/


I used to think prestige, fame and money. Bangladesh cricket or to make a name as an author for cricket.

One my saddest realization came was I used to drop off my mom at UCI for medical checkup and leave. One day I came back to pick her up, and I was shocked to see, she was referred to Senior Center. I felt gutted. How time flies away... Ever since that day, I was always with her and didn't really leave her and get away for a drive. I felt like a failure, how I let my mom down at 34 having achieved nothing...

So as much as an egoistical bastard that I am, I do think my greatest WHY actually transcends ingratiation for ego, prestige, fame and wealth. A component is to make mom proud, but to make her proud in my own way. (Last thing I want is to see her pass away seeing me a total loser and a bum.) I mean she'd probably feel proud if I go to school, get an average job, get married and be an average joe blow. But I want to do it my way too. So I am a bit confused as well.

I mention this, because today I gave a goal of an entire day to find my WHY. I know it's an easy day and may seem overkill to spend an entire day over it...but Lincoln said, "If you give me 6 hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend 4 hours sharping my axe."

I KNOW in my heart of hearts WHAT to do, but not WHY I should do it. I mean it's glitzy and all that, but what happens when it becomes s***kill to plough a single step forth? Sometimes until s*** hits the fan IE people getting served with a terminal disease like cancer, most don't find the WHY.

The day is still half-away, so eventually I will hit on my WHY. I think Bangladeshi cricketers need to find the WHY. Why they do what they do? For kicks? For applause, for brownie points? To get laid? To get money, to pay bills?

And "Ami shahrukher moton hote chai is not a f*****in answer."

Sorry I spilled a lot of my personal thoughts.

Mas_UK25
January 8, 2017, 05:18 PM
That I, can be a doctor or a Psychologists, if I try... I have these tools in me head, to be one. Whether to go ahead, try pursuing it or not... Different matter.

adamnsu
January 8, 2017, 07:20 PM
Life is short. Enjoy every moment as much as you can. Try to do good to others especially the poor or old. Work hard but don't keep on sacrificing your family time.

Rifat
January 9, 2017, 10:26 AM
That I, can be a doctor or a Psychologists, if I try... I have these tools in me head, to be one. Whether to go ahead, try pursuing it or not... Different matter.

The likelihood of "happenings" increases in med school :p jus saying!

Zeeshan
February 15, 2017, 09:56 PM
The following impression is based on a dream I had two nights ago. Some things to consider would be the fact that I am not an Islamic scholar, or a practitioner of Islam and the following is an entirely my interpretation of a particular Islamic thought.

In California a surefire way to identify a Muslim driver would often be from a tell-tale bumper sticker: "Worship the Creator, not the creation." A central and vociferous tenet would be the avoidance of anything that has to do with idol worshiping. I am not an Islamic guru, pun intended which again sounds like pun-dit... [rimshot] okay, but I always found it bewildering, incongruent and puzzling if someone like Mohammad - I will refrain from PBUH because then the following agents who will promptly be introduced will also be entitled to that suffix- ...someone like Mohammad reached a higher level of consciousness, akin to Christ, Jesus or Buddha, why would Islamic teaching be so adamantly against worshiping of idols or false gods.

I mean shouldn't a person of Krsna consciousness or Christ consciousness with Bob Marleysque 'One Love' mantra be all-inclusive, all-loving, compassionate, filled with wisdom, empathy and understanding for all...? This always bothered me and the fact that Muslims shunned the pagan religion, made me shun Islam with fervent aversion.

[Of course, I am putting my own labels and preconceived notions and assumptions.]

And surprisingly when taking college course of Anthropology, Ceramic Arts History, Archaeology... pagan religion and shamanism with bent on magic was NOT the aberration rather the NORM. Then ignited an all-launch crusade to oust them.

Hindus also worship idols but for those who have delved sufficiently in it realize it is just a manifestation of avatars of various gods. " “How many gods are there, Yajnavalkya?” asked Sakalay. Three, thirty three, thirty-three crore, thirty-three million. Take your pick. And so the popular myth goes...

Buddhists on the other hand, again similar to Hindus' concept of Maya, do believe that our self is just an illusion, and everyone has Buddha nature and once you 'kill the ego' the true, real nature of human Self (Atman in Hinduism) emerges. And just Hindus believe the central self of humans is brahman tracing to Atman, Buddhists also talk of the core self as Buddha. Also Buddhism embraces paradoxical thought is 'Everything is Contained in One, and Nothing is Contained in Everything...' and thus.

Now the dream I had was rather disturbing one. Another disclaimer would be to take overall atmosphere, room temperature, air hygiene, previous state of mind into consideration before making any judgment.

I won't narrate the full dream, but a part of it showed a bust, which upon shattering, I kind of had a flash of insight. I started bursting into tears in dream and woke up with heavy breathing.

I kept saying something in the line of 'real you/me lives with compassion, grace, dignity, and humility...' and so on and on and everyone deserves that same treatment.

What later I believed happened, was ego was unmasked. Do look up ego dissolution if you want. But basically the theory is...

Your ego is made up of a distinct personality, a reflection of who you are, as perceived by you, as programmed by your parents, authority like school, teachers, church, mosque, islamic clerics building an image or an ILLUSION of you. This you is not the real You. Your conception of yourself is just an illusion. It is the stories that you keep telling yourself. Suppose someone cut you in traffic you will be huffing and puffing and cursing him, questioning whether he did it intentionally cuz you look like Kumar, etcetera, when from a detached neutral perspective, say from God or an Absolute focal point, nothing really happened and all you have been doing is just telling yourself a story, when in fact the very man who cut you off, just moved on and it was just that... Yet you are still somehow justifying it with your inner critic or inner Woody Allen.

A way to identify your ego would be during meditation when you observe all your thoughts. Where do these thoughts come from? Whose assumptions are these? Moreso, WHOSE voice is this? In many cases, somehow, it should be either of your parents, albeit the more authoritative one, or the one who left a more indelible impression upon your conscience.

But in rare cases - for me it happened during evening walks a few times when mind cleared its fog - you clean the clutter or the mess in your head and you realize your true nature which is unbelievably wise, compassionate -if indeed we are hell-bent on putting terms-...but in reality it is NOTHING. It just is.

For instance, suppose a truck is incoming. If we tell your real personality is very polite and law abiding that is wrong. If we label your real Self as reckless, aggressive and endangering, that would be wrong as well. What would be the real you as revealed by the oncoming truck in your lane? Well at that instant, your real You would take over in danger moment, and you may find yourself breaking the rule and heading to the 'wrong lane' which is empty thus breaking the rule. At that instant, you became a law breaker. But the real you is neither. It just had to react that way just in that situation. Again to put a label of you being reckless, or aggressive all the time would be another 'trap' (so-called).. The real You is basically Nothing.

So the penny dropped when the bust shattered and immediately I had my catharsis. The ego was unmasked.

Assume g is god, and G is God.
Let 'god' (idols) = the small, ego or the personality you identify with.
Let 'God' = the real You or your Self.

If the false god breaks, the g immediately transforms into G.

Now once the false image or false idol breaks, or shatters, what happens? Nothing. It just reveals emptiness. Also not quite.

It reveals the entirety.

Do you now get the point behind Buddhists' paradoxical assertions?

Several things may be clarified culminating to this climax with a simple equation.

A. The bust in the dream was just a metaphor or personification of ego.
B. Once the bust shattered, or so did ego, and thus the real Self was revealed which Eastern mystics would say as boundless, or like limitless ocean.
C. Note, indeed infinity was 'revealed' from the 'atom' of the bust, because emptiness is nothing and everything in one.

And finally,

D. This may be the greatest philosophical legerdemain from Mohammad. When he through revelation from angel insisted not to worship the false god, or false image, this is what he literally may have meant, ie not in the literal sense to denounce all idol worshipers, but that not be attached with the false personality that has been brewing all along in the form your inner critic or voice of your perceived self via the stories you kept hankering on and telling yourself on and on and on...

If you accept this then all seemingly problems do dissolve. That Mohammad could be very well reached that all-inclusive, all-encompassing state-of-mind and that true teachings of Islam may not be just a cosmetic eye candy of shunning of idols or idol worshiper, rather not to put so much value on the false personality who you think you are ie... finite, poor-little-me who is not honest, not boundless, not emotionally stable, not wise, not intelligent, miserly, stingy, slandering, backbiting, negative, jealous etc.

Guess, the real nature of our self is that of a soul or spirit where the Mind simply is. It is neither good or bad. Neti, neti...

It is a pity that his message or core tenet has just been lost in translation over the years.

ReZ_1
February 15, 2017, 10:32 PM
^^ I liked the way you paraphrased your dream.. nice read..

Roy_1
February 16, 2017, 10:59 AM
Most profound realization as of today--WWE ain't real, still collecting pieces of my broken heart:facepalm:

Shingara
February 16, 2017, 05:38 PM
Your most profound realization?
Zeeshan poladar mathay ki?

Zeeshan
February 17, 2017, 12:36 AM
Your most profound realization?
Zeeshan poladar mathay ki?

ট্যুষে!

DinRaat.
February 17, 2017, 01:21 AM
Some call it enlightenment. Some shift in thinking. Many times psilocybin induced, while monks get it from deep meditation with years of trials even while even so some in sudden realization either through shock or bereavement. Some call it the light switch, some find it in form of NDE etcetera.

I am very much interested in your subjective experience. The avenue can be anything... and maybe I will get to share mine. I used to have some experience everyday when I used to try cannabis but I quit that so I don't get those anymore.

Basically what's your cosmic joke moment (http://upliftconnect.com/cosmic-joke/).

Are you like a professor or something, you remind me of my professor, who is explaining me the laws of permutations and Combinations in Alpha Numeric Passwords

I would`nt be suprised if you have a PhD , every post I read from you is like a philosophical statement

Zeeshan
February 17, 2017, 01:25 AM
Are you like a professor or something, you remind me of my professor, who is explaining me the laws of permutations and Combinations in Alpha Numeric Passwords

I would`nt be suprised if you have a PhD , every post I read from you is like a philosophical statement

Yes! I DO have a phd. I DO. I have a phd. I have a phd. If you are chuckling the same reason why I am chuckling then I am chuckling too! :applause:

DinRaat.
February 17, 2017, 01:35 AM
Yes! I DO have a phd. I DO. I have a phd. I have a phd. If you are chuckling the same reason why I am chuckling then I am chuckling too! :applause:

Seriously do you really have a PhD if so in what area

duke
February 17, 2017, 06:48 AM
wow zeeshan nice post !

For me , the day i realized that if i die today, the world will go on as if nothing happened, and i am just an umimportant speck of dust in a wind .
The next day i saw a pic of earth taken from mars , and i realized i am nothing. :) It showed me how less i matter in the grand scheme of things ( or is there even a grand scheme?) . Is it just a play?

Zeeshan
November 19, 2017, 03:44 PM
Posting from a different forum. I think it neatly sums up an enlightened thought process. I fully realize it may not be in harmony with many mainstream beliefs and it is not my intention to offend anyone.

This is a concept from the great 60's philosopher Alan Watts.

God likes to play hide-n-seek, but because there is nothing outside of God, he has no one but himself to play with! But he gets over this difficulty by pretending that he is not himself. This is his way of hiding from himself. He pretends that he is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, plants, all the rocks, and all the stars. In this way he has strange and wonderful adventures, some of which are terrible and frightening. But these are just like bad dreams, for when he wakes up they will disappear.

Now when God plays "hide" and pretends that he is you and I, he does it so well that it takes him a long time to remember where and how he hid himself! But that's the whole fun of it-just what he wanted to do. He doesn't want to find himself too quickly, for that would spoil the game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we are God in disguise, pretending not to be himself. But- when the game has gone on long enough, all of us will WAKE UP, stop pretending, and REMEMBER that we are all one single Self- the God who is all that there is and who lives forever and ever.
You may ask why God sometimes hides in the form of horrible people, or pretends to be people who suffer great disease and pain. Remember, first, that he isn't really doing this to anyone but himself. Remember too, that in almost all the stories you enjoy there have to be bad people as well as good people, for the thrill of the tale is to find out how the good people will get the better of the bad. It's the same as when we play cards. At the beginning of the game we shuffle them all into a mess, which is like the bad things in the world, but the point of the game put the mess into good order, and the one who does it best is the winner. Then we shuffle the cards and play again, and so it goes with the world.

-Alan Watts
from "THE BOOK on the taboo against knowing who You are"



https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1094

Zeeshan
November 19, 2017, 04:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTblbYqQQag

bujhee kom
November 26, 2017, 04:46 PM
My Dearest Bondhu Gopal,

A tremendous one came to me last night.
The end of Earth (destruction) and the human race as we know on the basis of all western Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Then the final judgement day and the weight of the sentences for all humans ever walked on earth 'since' the holy books were sent by God as a blessing rules of guidance for His creations with conscience.

We people are minuscule, each one of us is not even a spec of a dust in the context of the known universe and the physical beyond (we know it exists). We doubt of other lifeforms in this endless universe of trillions trillions of planets, solar systems, and stars. We minuscule little blob of walking fluids think we understand God and God is always busy with us. He has only us on his super mind. We doubt evolution and science and logic and rational because we justify by painting God/Allah through our own brush and paint on our own canvas.

This is what I realized. Allah stated the earth will end (He meant it will end up being a dead planet, the resource will dry out).
The human body expires but the conscience/memory will exist. And the difference between a good soul and a bad one is the bad one suffers eternally, on earth while living and beyond, and the clean good spirit reaches nirvana/eternal ecstasy due to his/her own action conscience here on earth and beyond. Therefore, Allah Subhanatala's clear warning for His final judgement for all beings with conscience (humans) and the reward or the punishment . Heaven or Hell. This heaven(s) or this hell(s) are not physical places as the soul/spirit/mind that is forever intact floating does not need a physical place to chill or suffer after the judgement day. The experience of heaven or hell is a state of mind and it will manifest as the soul/mind/spirit once acted.

I realize Allah is beyond my/our comprehension. Because we are minuscule and insignificant. But I sense this, Allah Subhanatala, my/our Lord is infinite, eternal, shapeless, sexless and nothing but the ultimate divine conscience of everything known and 'unknown' to us all.

I realized Allah created everything and all - from his thoughts of divine imagination. He created both good and evil. I used to be afraid of evil, demons, terrorists, satan/Iblis, Lucifer, the dark, fire, nukes, getting burned alive etc. but I fear no more, because I simply now realized Allah created all of them, all evil and all thing that is pristine. Thus I fear no evil no more - All praise goes to my Lord, Allah Rahman-ur Rahim.

I had been thinking a for a few months now, after the earth will go dead, no life form on it anymore, and the human race is gone, judgement day is over - Is Allah going to get bored? and I realized that no way, that Allah has all His concentration on this race called humans and this mere tiny planet and all the rest of universe, which He created, has nothing to offer for Him? God is endless and He has many other creations and games going on other than this GOP/Democrat/AL/Jamaat/Madam/ISOL/Hitler/Butler/Bruce Lee dump of a place that we all sweating and fighting over 24/7.

Allah is going to continue and always will - Forever, after our sorry selves are gone,once our history is forgotten, as He is an endless, shapeless, formless conscience. He will continue with many other intelligent forms in the universe. We humans are nothing. The Lord does not owe us nothing, and He does not have to tell us everything. We may very well be just a small single snap of a slide show in an intermission of a long never ending movie produced, directed and edited by our Lord, Allah Subhanatala. I now totally believe that 'aliens' , extra-terrestrial life forms MUST exist and they all are also praying to Allah, my Lord.

It is getting kind of long. My final understanding is Allah developed humans through evolution and because Allah is the master scientist. God and His divine spiritual, metaphysical existence is science - They are same. That is why some of us humans are artists, some are scientists (this inner desire/prone to lean toward that specific knowledge and skill or having some gift from birth is simply because we are created by Him, and sometimes, if and when we are lucky, tiny reflections of His artistic self show up in us.

SportingBD
November 26, 2017, 04:56 PM
My Dearest Bondhu Gopal,

A tremendous one came to me last night.
The end of Earth (destruction) and the human race as we know on the basis of all western Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Then the final judgement day and the weight of the sentences for all humans ever walked on earth 'since' the holy books were sent by God as a blessing rules of guidance for His creations with conscience.

We people are minuscule, each one of us is not even a spec of a dust in the context of the known universe and the physical beyond (we know it exists). We doubt of other lifeforms in this endless universe of trillions trillions of planets, solar systems, and stars. We minuscule little blob of walking fluids think we understand God and God is always busy with us. He has only us on his super mind. We doubt evolution and science and logic and rational because we justify by painting God/Allah through our own brush and paint on our own canvas.

This is what I realized. Allah stated the earth will end (He meant it will end up being a dead planet, the resource will dry out).
The human body expires but the conscience/memory will exist. And the difference between a good soul and a bad one is the bad one suffers eternally, on earth while living and beyond, and the clean good spirit reaches nirvana/eternal ecstasy due to his/her own action conscience here on earth and beyond. Therefore, Allah Subhanatala's clear warning for His final judgement for all beings with conscience (humans) and the reward or the punishment . Heaven or Hell. This heaven(s) or this hell(s) are not physical places as the soul/spirit/mind that is forever intact floating does not need a physical place to chill or suffer after the judgement day. The experience of heaven or hell is a state of mind and it will manifest as the soul/mind/spirit once acted.

I realize Allah is beyond my/our comprehension. Because we are minuscule and insignificant. But I sense this, Allah Subhanatala, my/our Lord is infinite, eternal, shapeless, sexless and nothing but the ultimate divine conscience of everything known and 'unknown' to us all.

I realized Allah created everything and all - from his thoughts of divine imagination. He created both good and evil. I used to be afraid of evil, demons, terrorists, satan/Iblis, Lucifer, the dark, fire, nukes, getting burned alive etc. but I fear no more, because I simply now realized Allah created all of them, all evil and all thing that is pristine. Thus I fear no evil no more - All praise goes to my Lord, Allah Rahman-ur Rahim.

I had been thinking a for a few months now, after the earth will go dead, no life form on it anymore, and the human race is gone, judgement day is over - Is Allah going to get bored? and I realized that no way, that Allah has all His concentration on this race called humans and this mere tiny planet and all the rest of universe, which He created, has nothing to offer for Him? God is endless and He has many other creations and games going on other than this GOP/Democrat/AL/Jamaat/Madam/ISOL/Hitler/Butler/Bruce Lee dump of a place that we all sweating and fighting over 24/7.

Allah is going to continue and always will - Forever, after our sorry selves are gone,once our history is forgotten, as He is an endless, shapeless, formless conscience. He will continue with many other intelligent forms in the universe. We humans are nothing. The Lord does not owe us nothing, and He does not have to tell us everything. We may very well be just a small single snap of a slide show in an intermission of a long never ending movie produced, directed and edited by our Lord, Allah Subhanatala. I now totally believe that 'aliens' , extra-terrestrial life forms MUST exist and they all are also praying to Allah, my Lord.

It is getting kind of long. My final understanding is Allah developed humans through evolution and because Allah is the master scientist. God and the divine spiritual, metaphysical existence of Him is science - They are same. That is why some of us humans are artists, some are scientists (this inner desire/prone to lean toward that specific knowledge and skill or having some gift from birth is simply beacuse we are created by Him, and sometimes, when we are lucky, tiny of His reflections show up in us.

This is beautifully written Bujhee Kom bro:up:

May Allah increase your knowledge more and shower his blessing on you and your family.

May Allah guide our hearts to what is good for us in this world and the hereafter:)

Ameen.

bujhee kom
November 26, 2017, 05:13 PM
This is beautifully written Bujhee Kom bro:up:

May Allah increase your knowledge more and shower his blessing on you and your family.

May Allah guide our hearts to what is good for us in this world and the hereafter:)

Ameen.

Thank you my dearest Amigo SportingBD...I have given some good thoughts to some of the things that you are facing, on some of your frustration regarding people asking certain questions and issues associating with the concept of Islam. I came up with answers. I will give them to you by next weekend, Lord willing.

bujhee kom
November 26, 2017, 05:13 PM
Another thing I have been thinking a lot lately is a specific contradiction in western religions, again among the big three.
That Satan/the Devil is a fallen angel, when in one hand, priest/Imams/Rabbis will tell me that angels are superior to human in strength and glamour, but humans/mortals are more glorious because we humans have a conscience and we have to power to 'Choose'! and the angels cannot , they just follow the Lord's orders and wishes. And again at the same time Lucifer/Iblish was a super angel and extremely dedicate dto his creator but later disobeyed God/Allah Subhanatala and had been cast out of heaven (?) and be renamed as Satan/Iblish.

I think the problem is in the misinterpretation/idea that Angels do not posses the power/ability (!) to choose, think for themselves and disobey or challenge the wishes of our Lord. I am having hard time comprehending the Gabriel or Israfeel cannot choose or identify between good and evil, right and wrong. I think angels can and will be judged by the Lord on the final judgement day. And I started to believe that both angels and mortals can choose and identify between good and evil...Except for humans, the mortals being physically so weak, and short living (next to the millions of years living angels) can
a. Create beautiful things
b. Write beautiful poetry
c. Imagine beauty
d. Has desire
e. Has feelings and emotions
just like our Creator, our Lord Himself. That is why we humans may be considered superior to angels.

Otherwise, with all that power and money no object, can fly anywhere within a blink of an eye, screw with anyone's (mortal/humans) mind - how come Satan, the Iblish looks so
a. Ugly,
b. Stinks
c. Lives underground (I know an imagination of ours, but still) in a fire-pit
d. Eats rotten flesh and vile

SportingBD
November 26, 2017, 05:23 PM
Just a point to add to BK post #19

We are not the only inhabitant that lived on the earth.
Remember before Humans, God had Angels that lived on the earth.

Only God knows what else lived on this earth before Angels etc, we can only speak of those he taught us about, Angels/Jinns etc.

We can only praise God by how he has taught us:up:, otherwise we wouldn't have known. Reminds me of Surah Al-Alaq.

3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,

4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],

5. Has taught man that which he knew not.

6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).

7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.

Full surah: https://www.quran411.com/surah-alaq.asp

SportingBD
November 26, 2017, 06:11 PM
Another thing I have been thinking a lot lately is a specific contradiction in western religions, again among the big three.
That Satan/the Devil is a fallen angel, when in one hand, priest/Imams/Rabbis will tell me that angels are superior to human in strength and glamour, but humans/mortals are more glorious because we humans have a conscience and we have to power to 'Choose'! and the angels cannot , they just follow the Lord's orders and wishes. And again at the same time Lucifer/Iblish was a super angel and extremely dedicate dto his creator but later disobeyed God/Allah Subhanatala and had been cast out of heaven (?) and be renamed as Satan/Iblish.

I think the problem is in the misinterpretation/idea that Angels do not posses the power/ability (!) to choose, think for themselves and disobey or challenge the wishes of our Lord. I am having hard time comprehending the Gabriel or Israfeel cannot choose or identify between good and evil, right and wrong. I think angels can and will be judged by the Lord on the final judgement day. And I started to believe that both angels and mortals can choose and identify between good and evil...Except for humans, the mortals being physically so weak, and short living (next to the millions of years living angels) can
a. Create beautiful things
b. Write beautiful poetry
c. Imagine beauty
d. Has desire
e. Has feelings and emotions
just like our Creator, our Lord Himself. That is why we are ultimately superior.

Otherwise, with all that power and money no object, can fly anywhere within a blink of an eye, screw with anyone's (mortal/humans) mind - how come Satan, the Iblish looks so
a. Ugly,
b. Stinks
c. Lives underground (I know an imagination of ours, but still) in a fire-pit
d. Eats rotten flesh and vile

Satan was not an angel, he was from the Jinn. If you read on how he achieved a high rank you will get your answer. Jinns like Humans have choice to obey or disobey! They’re given the quality to differentiate between right and wrong. They were sent guidance like us humans.

If I remember correctly, I heard some scholars say that when the angels were living on the earth, they kept on doing the right thing, praising/worshipped God etc. They were made noble, hence didn’t make any sins like humans/jinns. God took them up. He preferred us human over them, because he loves it when a human repents, ask forgiveness etc when they realise their mistake/sin. He gave us freedom to choose. Hence when we use our freedom to chose the good, he becomes very happy.

In the Quran, there’s a Surah that talks about how the Angels said to God, Will you make humans that will shed blood on the earth etc when we praise you all the time? On that God became upset, and said they don’t know what God knows. You can read about it, also read the Tafsir about human creation. Hope it helps.

Zeeshan
November 27, 2017, 02:49 AM
Three truths I realized long time ago:

1. Universe is perfect as it is.

2. People like Hitler, Idi Amin, Polpot, Mugabe, Bin Laden, Kim Jong Ewww, Duterte, Saddam, Gaddafi, Castro, Trump, Stalin, Putin, Tiger Eye.... etc....etc are playing the part and role of an actor and character of bad guys to point out how broken, corrupt and injustice the system is. You need bad guys like them to point out the defect in the system. In some weird way, they get to play God and decide who shall live and who shall die. In some twisted crude way, these disgusting scumbags make people and loved ones of the victims appreciate life and not to take a single day for granted and to live each and every day fully and to make each day a masterpiece.

3. You are not broken. The system is.

Zeeshan
November 27, 2017, 02:56 AM
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Zeeshan
November 27, 2017, 07:40 AM
My Dearest Bondhu Gopal,

A tremendous one came to me last night.


We people are minuscule, each one of us is not even a spec of a dust in the context of the known universe and the physical beyond (we know it exists). We doubt of other lifeforms in this endless universe of trillions trillions of planets, solar systems, and stars. We minuscule little blob of walking fluids think we understand God and God is always busy with us. He has only us on his super mind. We doubt evolution and science and logic and rational because we justify by painting God/Allah through our own brush and paint on our own canvas.

[...snip...]

It is getting kind of long. My final understanding is Allah developed humans through evolution and because Allah is the master scientist. God and His divine spiritual, metaphysical existence is science - They are same. That is why some of us humans are artists, some are scientists (this inner desire/prone to lean toward that specific knowledge and skill or having some gift from birth is simply because we are created by Him, and sometimes, if and when we are lucky, tiny reflections of His artistic self show up in us.

Disagree.

"...Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?
Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.
Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We are all meant to shine, as children do.
We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."



This passage is commonly mis-attributed to Nelson Mandela's 1994 Inaugural Address.

It actually comes from the book 'A Return To Love' (1992) by Marianne Williamson

http://www.aetw.org/mandela.htm

Tigers_eye
November 27, 2017, 09:51 AM
(if you call yourself a believer)
Our Rabb doesn't need our praise and gratitude to be Magestic. He is praiseworthy in His own existence. This is His show. He is the Cherisher, the Nurisher, the Protector, the Provider, the Owner, the All-Beneficent, the Absolute Ruler, the Gaurdian, the Judge, the Just....

Our Belief in Him, our praise and gratitude towards Him (saying and actions), only helps ourselves. Denial (any) of His favors leads to Disbelief and Associating partners.

One World
November 27, 2017, 09:49 PM
What allowed Odyssey to overcome all the obstacles sent by the gods? His will to get home. Wish I could be like him. By learning to accept what I cannot change, and disciplining my will to change only what I can, as the Stoics of ancient Greece would suggest.

DinRaat.
November 28, 2017, 08:05 AM
My profound realisation....

I guess it is discovering this forum, when I didn't discover it I thought I was the head honcho, the Messi in my football team, the first boy in class, the leader of the pack.

But when I discovered the forum and saw the literary works of Zeeshan, the powerful arguments of Idumb and the canny wit of BK, the statistical works of tiger1000 and the watchful eye of NW, Aklemalp, the sage like sayings of SportingBD and Tiger Eye.

I realised I was just a insignificant speck in a sea of giants. :(

Like a GTA game, I have to work my way up to reach the esteemed level of the trio, maybe it will take a long time, but I never shy away from a challenge. After all it's the Australian spirit, the eternal underdog(except in Cricket, nice try we are never the underdogs in that sport.)

SportingBD
November 28, 2017, 08:28 AM
My profound realisation....

I guess it is discovering this forum, when I didn't discover it I thought I was the head honcho, the Messi in my football team, the first boy in class, the leader of the pack.

But when I discovered the forum and saw the literary works of Zeeshan, the powerful arguments of Idumb and the canny wit of BK, the statistical works of tiger1000 and the watchful eye of NW, Aklemalp, the sage like sayings of SportingBD and Tiger Eye.

I realised I was just a insignificant speck in a sea of giants. :(

Like a GTA game, I have to work my way up to reach the esteemed level of the trio, maybe it will take a long time, but I never shy away from a challenge. After all it's the Australian spirit, the eternal underdog(except in Cricket, nice try we are never the underdogs in that sport.)

Sage like saying? That cracked me up :floor:

Tigers_eye
November 28, 2017, 01:38 PM
I realised I was just a insignificant speck in a sea of giants. :(

The feeling is mutual. You want examples? Start with typing. :facepalm: I still have to look at the key board. :)

Tigers_eye
November 28, 2017, 01:42 PM
Three truths I realized long time ago:

1. Universe is perfect as it is.

2. People like Hitler, Idi Amin, Polpot, Mugabe, Bin Laden, Kim Jong Ewww, Duterte, Saddam, Gaddafi, Castro, Trump, Stalin, Putin, Tiger Eye.... etc...
3. You are not broken. The system is. :floor:

Told you it wasn't me. Thank you for the #3. No one believes me. For the nth time.... IT IS NOT ME, IT IS THE SYSTEM.

:big_hug:

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 09:34 AM
Mass murder, shootings, gun violence, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, genocides, 9/11, Holocaust, Polpot... these are nothing but physical manifestations and metaphor for the unspeakable cruelty humans inflict on one another.

Gibt, nari nirjaton, child abuse, sending your parents to senior homes, molestation, domestic violence, blackmailing, intimidation, coercion, indecency, mental torture, rebuke, making fun of others... these mental tortures are far more devastating than the physical ones.

The physical ones is just a one time show. A one time show for our Awakening. To awaken us from all the trauma, pain and unkindness we inflict on one another.

Why does God allow evil to persist?

Well, now you know. But you can't learn the truth from book knowledge. Pathyo pushtok r PhD nilei shojag howa jay na. You have to live it. Live it, breath it, and experience it.... experience the truth viscerally with every atom of your being for your Ultimate Self Realization.

Purification of soul from burning in fire.

Ain't that TRUTH a bitch, hey?

It's all part of shock and awe treatment for your own good. For your own awakening.

Once you see, you cannot unsee.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 09:41 AM
Allah ta'llah shudhu chup chup kore dekhe manush koto niche namte pare. The pain we inflict on one another....

Allhar arosh kepe jay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 09:44 AM
Mass murder, shootings, gun violence, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Holocaust, Polpot... these are nothing but physical manifestations and metaphor for the unspeakable cruelty humans inflict on one another.

Gibt, nari nirjanton, child abuse, sending your parents to senior homes, domestic violence, blackmailing, intimidation, coercion, indecency, mental torture, rebuke, making fun of others... these mental tortures are far more devastating than the physical ones.

The physical ones is just a one time show. A one time show for our Awakening. To awaken us from all the trauma, pain and unkindness we inflict on one another.

Why does God allow evil to persist?

Well, now you know.

Ain't that TRUTH a bitch, hey?

Do you blame the teacher for students failing in exams?
Why do they fail?
Why there needs to be some top students? And others with bad marks? Why???
Who is to blame for this? The teacher?

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 09:53 AM
Do you blame the teacher for students failing in exams?
Why do they fail?
Why there needs to be some top students? And others with bad marks? Why???
Who is to blame for this? The teacher?

I blame you.

Why are you silent?

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 09:59 AM
I blame you.

Why are you silent?

You. See.

The normal answer here would be, it’s the students fault.

If you work hard, study hard you deserve to be rewarded. That is in the form of doing well in exams and attaining good marks and good qualification.

On the other hand, if you are lazy, watching movies all the time, not working hard.. how do you expect to get good marks?

Is it fair to say that both the lazy and hardworking should been seen the same? They both should attain the same results?

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:15 AM
You. See.

The normal answer here would be, it’s the students fault.

If you work hard, study hard you deserve to be rewarded. That is in the form of doing well in exams and attaining good marks and good qualification.

On the other hand, if you are lazy, watching movies all the time, not working hard.. how do you expect to get good marks?

Is it fair to say that both the lazy and hardworking should been seen the same? They both should attain the same results?

Some Zen stories for you.

A monk asked the master. "I have gained enlightenment. What's next?"

"Go wash the dishes." The master replied.

A monk asked Master Mumon: "What is Buddha?"

The master replied: "A dried dung stick."

Is your conscience clean Irfan?

Go wash the dishes then.

Only if you put Justice, Truth, Righteousness, morals and values in the same pedestal as your God, you'd prosper so much more. Heh. Listen man. God exists within your heart. Unconditional love for all mankind and all beings is what God is. God is not a person or a thing or some bearded mountain man. It is a symbol of peace, harmony and balance.

Surreptitiously denying it otherwise via "blame game" is nothing but ego's manipulation as well.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:18 AM
Banaiso tumi, jonmaisi ami.... r dosh korsi ami?

Eto tuku ondho hole to cholbe na Irfan.

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 10:25 AM
Some Zen stories for you.

A monk asked the master. "I have gained enlightenment. What's next?"

"Go wash the dishes." The master replied.

A monk asked Master Mumon: "What is Buddha?"

The master replied: "A dried dung stick."

Is your conscience clean Irfan?

Go wash the dishes then.

It is very easy to blame God for ones failures in life. But, it is that Individual that blames God. The people around him will look at him and say the guy has messed up his life.

Example: I have some poor marks..poor resume.. but somehow get called for a interview.

The interviewer: why do you have poor marks?
The candidate: I blame the teacher, the teaching was rubbish, the teacher was bad.

Will his potential employers say? Oh we have found the candidate we were looking for?
Or will he say the exist door is that way?

Before we blame God, let’s look at ourselves.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:35 AM
In Zen, things that sound pious are said to stink of Zen.

Banglay: Oti shonnashir gajon noshto.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:37 AM
Allah guides whom he wills and leaves to astray whosoever won't stubbornly listen.

Read this Irfan.

It will do you a wonder of good:

Allāh Opens the Hearts of Whom He Wills

Allāh Opens the Hearts of Whom He Wills
In the name of Allāh, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful;
All the praise and Thanks is due to Allāh, the Lord of al-‘alameen. There is none worthy of worship except Allāh, and that Muhammad, Sallallāhu alayhi wasallam, is His Messenger.

What is Hidayah?

Allāh guides whom He wills and all of us would be astray except for those Allah have guided. It means Allāh opens the hearts, the ‘hidayah’ of whom He Wills and likewise Seals the hearts of others.

The Arabic term ‘hidāyah’ means ‘guidance’. The verb ‘yahdi’ means 'to grant guidance'. Guidance is of two kinds:

1. Guidance of Tawfiq i.e., totally from Allāh Almighty , i.e. Allāh opens one’s heart to receive the truth (from disbelief to Belief in Islamic Monotheism).

2. Guidance of Irshad i.e. through preaching by Allāh’s Messengers and the pious preachers who preach the truth i.e. Islāmic Monotheism.

It is Almighty Allāh who grants guidance to mankind. Thus, hidāyah is a Allāh -given gift, which Almighty Allāh alone who places in the heart of whomever He wants to provide guidance. And, Allāh Almighty does what He Wills.

The Question of Guidance

The Qur’an related to the question of guidance:

“Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject faith say: ‘What means Allah by this similitude?’ By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; But He causes not to stray, except those who forsake [the path]”

[Surah Al-Baqarah, 2: 26]

Then in following verses Allāh Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala Says:

“If We had ordered them [the hypocrites] to sacrifice their lives or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it; but if they had done what they were [actually] told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their [faith]; and We should then have given them from Our Presence a great reward; and We should have shown them the Straight Way.”

[Surah An-Nisā’, 4: 66 – 68]

Allāh Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala also Says:


Gimme More...

http://al-hussaini.blogspot.com/2013/05/allah-opens-hearts-of-whom-he-wills.html

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:41 AM
Before we blame God, let’s look at ourselves.

And here I thought, it is my fault. :-|

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 10:42 AM
So what are the reason God Leaves someone Astray?
As you have quoted?

Could you list all the points as to why God leaves some astray?

Thanks.

(If you don’t know, why share something you are not versed with)
If you can’t provide both sides?

Please provide reference from Quran. You must know the reasons?
As you have quoted it from the Quran.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:45 AM
I sense tension in your tone.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:45 AM
Sigh why do I always get the easy and dumb ones. Put up a fight someone FFS.

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 10:46 AM
I sense tension in your tone.

It’s feeling emotionally sad for you. Not tension.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:47 AM
So what are the reason God Leaves someone Astray?
As you have quoted?

Could you list all the points as to why God leaves some astray?

Thanks.

(If you don’t know, why share something you are not versed with)
If you can’t provide both sides?

Please provide reference from Quran. You must know the reasons?
As you have quoted it from the Quran.

If I were you, I'd stop intellectualizing (Banglay jake ajaira atel baji kora bole) and instead pray two rakah nafl salah and ask him for forgiveness.

Time well spent. Final liberation. Why not take the red pill bro?

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 10:48 AM
It’s feeling emotionally sad for you. Not tension.

Let me help you or else you will drown. Said the monkey putting the fish on tree.

SportingBD
November 29, 2017, 10:50 AM
If I were you, I'd stop intellectualizing (Banglay jake ajaira atel baji kora bole) and instead pray two rakah nafl salah and ask him for forgiveness.

Time well spent. Final liberation. Why not take the red pill bro?

Why share something when you can’t answer if someone questions you about it? You shared something from the Quran about going Astray. I asked from the Quran to let me know the points/reasons why God let’s some go astray?

That was a valid question? If you share something surely you would know about it? Like sharing something from the Quran I would assume you are capable of answering the question?

bujhee kom
November 29, 2017, 11:13 AM
My continuous ongoing Profound discovery of Clarity.

The spiritual concept of the religion of Islam, Al-Quran and most importantly God do NOT need anyone or anything to defend them or justify them.

Also, the 4 other active, organized, and mass religions of today - Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism and Christianity also do not need defending or 'protection' from anyone.

All 5 of the above religious concepts are big enough - following wise and can sustain themselves and are not going to vanish, they can sustain on their own, no matter what anybody thinks.

My dawning understanding is - respect other's religious faith, at least - even if you do not want to look at their face or want to be friend with. A man's faith must be respected, just as well a man's choice of 'no faith'.

Just do not interact, simply ignore no matter how much they taunt you. Some people will embarrass themselves and completely 'unnecessarily' insult someone else. They should get a job and mind their own business!

One World
November 29, 2017, 11:45 AM
Understanding others is knowledge
Understanding oneself is enlightenment
Conquering others is power
Conquering oneself is strength
Contentment is wealth
Forceful conduct is willfulness
Not losing one's rightful place is endure
To die but not be forgotten is longevity

---

Having said that, may be endurance is my own machine and I will oil it no matter what.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 11:50 AM
Understanding others is knowledge
Understanding oneself is enlightenment
Conquering others is power
Conquering oneself is strength
Contentment is wealth
Forceful conduct is willfulness
Not losing one's rightful place is endure
To die but not be forgotten is longevity




Beautifully put.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 11:51 AM
A man's faith must be respected....

Why? According to whom? According to my "dawning understanding" we should s--- on other people's religion. I mean, didn't YOU once say: "Let me sh** some FTP for you" in our first convo? And FTP is my faith. I am frankly shocked at the blasphemy.

Tread carefully.

What makes you think YOUR perspective is any more valid than mine?

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 11:52 AM
Must? Are you even frikkin serious? A man was given free will by his Creator. A man was born free. A man "must" not do anything. Who are YOU to dictate what a man must or musn (NOT mastaan) do?

God has given MAN free will. And you have the galls to supersede him. The sheer arrogance!

One World
November 29, 2017, 11:54 AM
Beautifully put.

Source: Tao Te Ching

But I will still take the admiration as Bivutivushon said in Pother Pachali, it does not matter how many bathed in that pond until you did a dip and once you do it you are allowed to the joy of discovery.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 11:58 AM
You smack of self-righteous goody-goodyness and YOU talk of respecting "other's faith"? Who is this "other" Mr. Humanitarian? Whatever happened to fffin One Love you Bob Marley twerp.

YOU divide people to see us sling mud at each other ar.... sadhu sajo.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 11:59 AM
Source: Tao Te Ching

But I will still take the admiration as Bivutivushon said in Pother Pachali, it does not matter how many bathed in that pond until you did a dip and once you do it you are allowed to the joy of discovery.

One World, you are miles and millions mile ahead of us far and above. Heck we don't even deserve your grace in our cesspool. Loving every post you put, my friend.

bujhee kom
November 29, 2017, 12:24 PM
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Or else...Warning Khaaba...Ekdom! Tarpor baritey Eka Eka boisa Hau Mau cry cry koira kandiba!

Tigers_eye
November 29, 2017, 02:24 PM
Why share something when you can’t answer if someone questions you about it? You shared something from the Quran about going Astray. I asked from the Quran to let me know the points/reasons why God let’s some go astray?

That was a valid question? If you share something surely you would know about it? Like sharing something from the Quran I would assume you are capable of answering the question?2:6 - 16 <SMALL class=english data-reactid="2270">Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english data-reactid="2353">Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english data-reactid="2353">And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english data-reactid="2498">They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english data-reactid="2578">In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers."</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>[But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.</SMALL>

<SMALL class=english>Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.</SMALL>

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 02:45 PM
Reading One World's post and his soft tone, I have had a hard look at myself about the way I have been behaving lately. It is a classic case of the abused becoming the abuser.

Oh well. C'est la vie. At least now you know...

Then again, if I didn't act the way I acted, I wouldn't be doing my job that God has sent me to do here either.

Guess I am the repo-man.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 02:48 PM
For what its worth I am sorry for judging everyone. I have to pay the price and held accountable too. Except I cannot help myself.

Chapter (41) sūrat fuṣṣilat (Explained in Detail)

http://www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/41_20.png

Yusuf Ali: At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.

Zeeshan
November 29, 2017, 02:50 PM
Or else...Warning Khaaba...Ekdom! Tarpor baritey Eka Eka boisa Hau Mau cry cry koira kandiba!

na shetai bochada....shetai bollam r qui

bujhee kom
November 29, 2017, 05:08 PM
na shetai bochada....shetai bollam r qui

Dosto Gopal/Z, you are my dear bhai, you should know I was not meaning anything bad to you at all. We are just kidding around, bhais. You, me and Sporting, we are all Madame's bhoktos. We all belong to the same party. At the end of the afternoon, we love each other, that's what most important!