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tonmoy.dhaka
February 16, 2017, 11:29 AM
The hefazot is at their idiotic best again.

There was a time in Bangladesh not too long ago when fundamentalist elements were banished from Dhaka university campus for destroying sculptures. What happened to that country? How did we end up here dancing to the tunes of Religious extremists.

NEWS LINK (http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/02/07/hefazat-remove-greek-idol-supreme-court/)

Jadukor
February 16, 2017, 12:52 PM
http://m.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/article/1082695/হামলায়-কীর্তন-অনুষ্ঠান-বন্ধ

Intolerance is on the rise. Religious fantatics slowly destroying the harmony between muslims and minorities

tonmoy.dhaka
February 16, 2017, 04:45 PM
http://m.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/article/1082695/হামলায়-কীর্তন-অনুষ্��ান-বন্ধ

Intolerance is on the rise. Religious fantatics slowly destroying the harmony between muslims and minorities


I put this to the failiure of our education system.
I studied in an english medium school in Dhaka back in the 90's and we actually had teachers who used to say "how bad are the Jews"... I wish I knew that what I know now.. I regret not standing up than.

tonmoy.dhaka
February 16, 2017, 04:46 PM
Quote from a prominent journalist and writer Tasneem Khalil

শুনলাম বাংলাদেশের কতিপয় মার্ক্সবাদী তাত্ত্বিক হেফাজতের ঘাঁড়ে পা দিয়ে বিপ্লব করার স্বপ্ন দেখছেন। স্বপ্নটি নতুন নয় অবশ্য। ইরানের কম্যুনিস্টরাও এই স্বপ্নটি দেখেছিলেন অনেক আগে। আয়াতোল্লারা ক্ষমতায় এসে তাঁদের ঝুলিয়ে মেরেছিলো। হাজার, হাজার কম্যুনিস্ট নেতা-কর্মীদের পাঠানো হয়েছিলো এভিন কারাগারের টর্চার সেলগুলিতে। তো, ওই ইরানী আয়াতোল্লাদের বাংলাদেশী ভাই-বেরাদর যে হেফাজত, সেটি কি একটি বিপ্লবী শক্তি নাকি প্রতিক্রিয়াশীল শক্তি?
মালিক শ্রেণীর জুলুমের বিরুদ্ধে বাংলাদেশে যে একটি শ্রমিক আন্দোলন চলছে বিগত কয়েক মাস ধরে, সেই আন্দোলনে কি হেফাজতকে দেখা গেছে?
বাংলাদেশে নারীর অধিকারের জন্য, আদিবাসীদের অধিকারের জন্য, কৃষকের অধিকারের জন্য যে লড়াইগুলি চলছে, সেই লড়াইগুলিতে কি আছে হেফাজত?
পরিবেশ বিধ্বংসী রামপাল প্রকল্পের বিরুদ্ধে যে রুখে দাঁড়াচ্ছে বাংলাদেশের লক্ষ-কোটি মানুষ, তাদের মাঝে কি আছে হেফাজত?
হেফাজত নামক কুৎসিত সংগঠনটির জন্মই হয়েছিলো মানুষের অধিকার হরণের উদ্দেশ্যে — নাস্তিক লেখকদের ফাঁসির দাবীতে। এই হেফাজতের দাবী মাফিক পাঠ্য-পুস্তক থেকে হিন্দু লেখকদের লেখা বাদ দেওয়া হয়েছে সম্প্রতি। আজকে যখন রামপাল প্রশ্নে বেকায়দায় আছে হাসিনাশাহী, ঠিক তখনই আবার মাঠে নেমেছে হেফাজত। এবার তাদের দাবী সুপ্রিম কোর্ট প্রাঙ্গন থেকে শাড়ি-পরা থেমিসের মূর্তিটি সরিয়ে ফেলতে হবে।
শাড়ি-পরা নারী মূর্তি সহ্য হয়না কোন শ্রেণীর *বিপ্লবীদের*?

NoName
February 16, 2017, 11:48 PM
The cancer is slowly spreading to BD.

Zeeshan
February 17, 2017, 12:34 AM
Themis kinda looks hot though.

DinRaat.
February 17, 2017, 01:11 AM
God help us if Bangladesh ever falls into the hands of these mullah idiots

Yankees
February 19, 2017, 12:33 PM
The Pakistanization of BD has begun. Shame.

The real culprit are all the Saudi funding that's being used to build Madrassas that teach the Wahabbi interpretation of Islam. The first of wave of kids who grew up in these madrassas are now just becoming adults, and are acting out based on their extreme views.

If BD want things like this to stop, the first thing is to curb Saudi funding, and turn the Madrassas into proper schools that teach all the subjects in addition to religion.

Zeeshan
May 26, 2017, 02:46 PM
AND....it has been done. Congratulations fundies. The te****rists have won.

tonmoy.dhaka
May 26, 2017, 03:14 PM
Pakistanization of Bangladesh has begun a while back.... wonder why our forefathers bothered to liberate us ...... so much blood for no reason!!

I was a proud Bangladeshi even when everybody looked down upon us for being the poorest/most corrupt nation on earth. But now we might be the rising tigers of the world(in terms of economy) however I am ashamed to identify my self as a Bangladeshi... our culture gone, our identity kidnapped by the arabs and Paks... our rich heritage and our secular identity is no longer a thing... We lost.. the te*****ists won..

Eclipse
May 26, 2017, 04:23 PM
Nothing that symbolizes a particular religion should be anywhere near the court.


Many Muslims don't feel comfortable with our judicial system which is why they want shariah law to be implemented.


Considering the current circumstances the last thing govt will want is establishing a statue infront of the high court which is closely related to Greek mythology. It will unnecessarily provke a large percentage of ppl.

bujhee kom
May 26, 2017, 04:25 PM
Put the blame where the blame is due...
Of all people, first of all -
The (secular) government of Bangladesh, the ruling party, Awami League and the PM Sheikh Hasina should be ashamed of themselves and herself!!!

Didn't we crush those bunch of uneducated, imbecile, fools of Hefazaties in their (Hefazat's) 'so called' Siege of Dhaka...??? How come they make the people of Bangladesh take down a historical sculpture, a work of art, today - when we have a secular government in power?

This is a genuine shame on the PM, nothing less.
How is that Olama, Osama, Shafi - whatever is still alive???

tonmoy.dhaka
May 26, 2017, 08:55 PM
Put the blame where the blame is due...
Of all people, first of all -
The (secular) government of Bangladesh, the ruling party, Awami League and the PM Sheikh Hasina should be ashamed of themselves and herself!!!

Didn't we crush those bunch of uneducated, imbecile, fools of Hefazaties in their (Hefazat's) 'so called' Siege of Dhaka...??? How come they make the people of Bangladesh take down a historical sculpture, a work of art, today - when we have a secular government in power?

This is a genuine shame on the PM, nothing less.
How is that Olama, Osama, Shafi - whatever is still alive???

Sheikh hasina sold her soul to the Islamic extremist for the sake of power........ she ruined what her father helped to build.. she ruined the country for us.. she ruined the pride I felt when watching bangladesh succeed... I hope to live long enough so that someday I could spit on her grave... and I wish the same for all tetul loving Islamic fundamentalists of bangladesh. .

anon4567
May 27, 2017, 04:22 AM
Our politicians have sold us out to Islamists. I really liked the statue, Themis was portrayed wearing a saree, which is of great cultural significance to us. This was removed because the leaders of Hefazat shat their pants when they saw women being depicted as powerful figures, instead of being married off at 12 years of age and accompanied by their guardian.

The leaders of Hefazat (search tetul hujur) wants girls to cease their studies in 3rd or 4th grade, and never be independent and find employment.

I feel like this is an attack on our cultural identity and heritage. And much like Iran and Pakistan we might lose it all. Shame.


I put this to the failiure of our education system.
I studied in an english medium school in Dhaka back in the 90's and we actually had teachers who used to say "how bad are the Jews"... I wish I knew that what I know now.. I regret not standing up than.

On a side note, I had the misfortune of attending 10th grade in an Islamic school in Australia for half a year. We had a Social Science teacher who very often used to say that the Jews are dumb and mocked them. He was a teacher in an Australian high school, partially funded by the Australian government. I also regret not taking some action against this actual injustice. I went on to make some Jewish friends at university, and they are great people.

Also his sayings were very easily disproved if you take into consideration that ~25% of the Nobel prizes were either won by a Jewish person, or a person of a Jewish descent, despite them being only 0.8% of the global population. In contrast to less than 5% of the Nobel Prizes won by Muslims.

Antisemitism fuelled by ignorance is a big problem within the Islamic community.

DinRaat.
May 27, 2017, 04:29 AM
Our politicians have sold us out to Islamists. I really liked the statue, Themis was portrayed wearing a saree, which is of great cultural significance to us. This was removed because the leaders of Hefazat shat their pants when they saw women being depicted as powerful figures, instead of being married off at 12 years of age and accompanied by their guardian.

The leaders of Hefazat (search tetul hujur) wants girls to cease their studies in 3rd or 4th grade, and never be independent and find employment.

I feel like this is an attack on our cultural identity and heritage. And much like Iran and Pakistan we might lose it all. Shame.




On a side note, I had the misfortune of attending 10th grade in an Islamic school in Australia for half a year. We had a Social Science teacher who very often used to say that the Jews are dumb and mocked them. He was a teacher in an Australian high school, partially funded by the Australian government. I also regret not taking some action against this actual injustice. I went on to make some Jewish friends at university, and they are great people.

Also his sayings were very easily disproved if you take into consideration that ~25% of the Nobel prizes were either won by a Jewish person, or a person of a Jewish descent, despite them being only 0.8% of the global population. In contrast to less than 5% of the Nobel Prizes won by Muslims.

Antisemitism fuelled by ignorance is a big problem within the Islamic community.

Malek Fahd, Al Faisal College. I went to a muslim school as well, in sydney.

Which school did u go to, the one I went to, never had this problem.

anon4567
May 27, 2017, 04:33 AM
Pakistanization

Well said. And this is what happens if you give in to the demands of Islamist groups.
Now Islamists want all statues removed, everywhere


http://www.thedailystar.net/city/islamists-want-all-statues-removed-everywhere-greek-justice-goddess-removal-supreme-court-1411225
Bangladesh is a sinking ship heading the same direction as Iran and Pakistan, my own motherland slowly feels dead to me.

DinRaat.
May 27, 2017, 04:40 AM
Well said. And this is what happens if you give in to the demands of Islamist groups.
Now Islamists want all statues removed, everywhere


http://www.thedailystar.net/city/islamists-want-all-statues-removed-everywhere-greek-justice-goddess-removal-supreme-court-1411225
Bangladesh is a sinking ship heading the same direction as Iran and Pakistan, my own motherland slowly feels dead to me.

It was a dead, along time ago. They just killed it even more.

anon4567
May 27, 2017, 04:44 AM
Malek Fahd, Al Faisal College. I went to a muslim school as well, in sydney.

Which school did u go to, the one I went to, never had this problem.

AIC at WA, won't say which one to protect my anonymity as the cohort was quite small. Most of the other teachers (many of them non-Muslims) were fine though. I am just glad that it was a temporary arrangement for me.

Malek Fahd is one of the top schools in Sydney right? The one that I went to really wasn't. Half the cohort didn't even go on to university.

DinRaat.
May 27, 2017, 04:55 AM
AIC at WA, won't say which one to protect my anonymity as the cohort was quite small. Most of the other teachers (many of them non-Muslims) were fine though. I am just glad that it was a temporary arrangement for me.

Malek Fahd is one of the top schools in Sydney right? The one that I went to really wasn't. Half the cohort didn't even go on to university.

WAS, was the top school in sydney. Now it has been reduced to a pile of scrap, all the good students left, due to politics in the school. Real shame

DinRaat.
May 27, 2017, 04:58 AM
But as a word , of warning I would never send my kids to a islamic school, none in sydney that is.

They promote a very close minded view of islam (wahhabism), taught the quran in science classes as well if remembered(Al-Faisal College)

anon4567
May 27, 2017, 05:23 AM
But as a word , of warning I would never send my kids to a islamic school, none in sydney that is.

They promote a very close minded view of islam (wahhabism), taught the quran in science classes as well if remembered(Al-Faisal College)

Sounds like the exact same as our school! A lot of our Muslim teachers were kind of useless at teaching. I feel like they were only there to push obvious and hidden wahhabist agendas.

The female non-Muslim teachers and all female students at my former school had to wear hijabs, which annoyed me for multiple reasons. And also the fact that I got into trouble for sitting next to a girl from another school and talking to her over lunch in a field trip.

I feel like Islamics Schools narrow down your social circles, as you can only socialize with Muslims which is putting yourself inside of a bubble, creating greater cultural divides within the nation. Whereas public schools here have students from more diverse social, cultural, economic backgrounds and it is possible for students there to gain a wider view of the country they live in. I feel like this contributes a lot to the "failure to integrate into a Western society" problem.

Btw. the founders of our school were jailed over a $3 million tax fraud.
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/islamic-college-trio-charged-over-3m-fraud-20080627-2xxm.html

DinRaat.
May 27, 2017, 05:33 AM
Sounds like the exact same as our school! A lot of our Muslim teachers were kind of useless at teaching. I feel like they were only there to push obvious and hidden wahhabist agendas.

The female non-Muslim teachers and all female students at my former school had to wear hijabs, which annoyed me for multiple reasons. And also the fact that I got into trouble for sitting next to a girl from another school and talking to her over lunch in a field trip.

I feel like Islamics Schools narrow down your social circles, as you can only socialize with Muslims which is putting yourself inside of bubbles. Whereas public schools here have students from more diverse social, cultural, economic backgrounds and it is possible for students there to gain a wider view of the country they live in. I feel like this contributes a lot to the "failure to integrate into a Western society" problem.

Btw. the founders of our school were jailed over a $3 million tax fraud.
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/islamic-college-trio-charged-over-3m-fraud-20080627-2xxm.html

Yes exactly...

Thats the same way I felt too.

The founder of our school, is also facing various lawsuit, Our Director of Education(i think that is a made up role) stole nine million dollars of gov school funding and spent it elsewhere. Caused some controversy.
Now he has found a job at Al Faisal College after getting sacked from Malek Fahd

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-islamic-school-ordered-to-repay-9m-20120731-23c7f.html

There is always a hidden agenda, this is no way to wash up after going to the toilets, it is very un islamic. All the muslim background teachers don`t know how to teach, but the non-muslim teachers are really good at teaching. They are holding the school together.

Teachers are also very one sided. And extremely homophobic

tonmoy.dhaka
May 27, 2017, 08:58 AM
But as a word , of warning I would never send my kids to a islamic school, none in sydney that is.

They promote a very close minded view of islam (wahhabism), taught the quran in science classes as well if remembered(Al-Faisal College)

Science and religion will never mix, no matter how much one tries. It applies to all religion. Weather you are talking about genesis and the creation of earth in 6 days (remember space and time are single entity and space/time varies with the position and speed of individual)... or the explanation that we are created from clay.

A child must be taught science and religion seperately and they must be taught for what they are.

On topic... It hurts to see Bangladesh like this... never imagined that these islamist would become a force in Bangladesh...

roman
May 27, 2017, 10:23 AM
Hefazot is baby ISIS. When they grow up, they will take away our our freedom, will make the country like Afghanistan/Syria. I am really pissed at Hasina for being such a power thirsty woman and letting Hefazot win.

Eclipse
May 27, 2017, 10:33 AM
They r our citizens too. They need to be heard also. Some of us here r acting as if hefazot workers have come from some other country.

This is their country too. If they find anything offensive in front of the highest court of Bangladesh, they have every right to voice their concern to the proper authority.

Then the responsible authority in this case govt will decide whether their demand should be met or not.

tonmoy.dhaka
May 27, 2017, 11:40 AM
They r our citizens too. They need to be heard also. Some of us here r acting as if hefazot workers have come from some other country.

This is their country too. If they find anything offensive in front of the highest court of Bangladesh, they have every right to voice their concern to the proper authority.

Then the responsible authority in this case govt will decide whether their demand should be met or not.

This is their country but they are a product of an education system derived from middle age middle east. And we do not have to agree or give in to their middle age uncivilized demands.

NoName
May 27, 2017, 09:37 PM
Surprised AL allowed it

Shubho
May 28, 2017, 10:45 AM
Surprised AL allowed it

Me too. Didn't realize a ragtag bunch of half-educated mollahs had so much political clout that they could force a "secular" government to surrender to their will so ignominiously. Disheartening indeed.

Mas_UK25
May 28, 2017, 01:37 PM
Good. It looked bad anyway. Have to remember, just like minorities, seculars want rights and push for things. BD is muslims majority and no human on earth will be able to deny the fact. So, this statue was offensive, they were in the rights to oppose it and rightly so it's removed. Well done AL. It's not like this group demanded all none muslims be gone from Dhaka or BD. So what's the seculars big fuss, do they want everything their ways? Not happening, Bangladesh is proudly a Muslim majority nation and the gov did the correct thing.

Jadukor
May 29, 2017, 12:33 AM
Wish we could ship these fanatics back to 6th century where they belong

Nafi
May 29, 2017, 06:45 AM
So statue is back, moderatism ans secularism wins the day?

Edit: :facepalm: its been moved to a different location

Wahabism needs to crushed, its a danger to Bangladesh​, as Nazism was to Germany.

Nafi
May 29, 2017, 06:52 AM
Good. It looked bad anyway. Have to remember, just like minorities, seculars want rights and push for things. BD is muslims majority and no human on earth will be able to deny the fact. So, this statue was offensive, they were in the rights to oppose it and rightly so it's removed.

Wrong. BD extremists and wahabists opposed it, not moderate muslims.

Bangladesh is not a wahabi majority.

tonmoy.dhaka
May 29, 2017, 09:07 AM
Good. It looked bad anyway. Have to remember, just like minorities, seculars want rights and push for things. BD is muslims majority and no human on earth will be able to deny the fact. So, this statue was offensive, they were in the rights to oppose it and rightly so it's removed. Well done AL. It's not like this group demanded all none muslims be gone from Dhaka or BD. So what's the seculars big fuss, do they want everything their ways? Not happening, Bangladesh is proudly a Muslim majority nation and the gov did the correct thing.

Tell me something... why is a statue of a women on a saree be so offensive to anyone (irrespective of race and religion)? Just because it is visible from Eidgah does not make it an idol worship, and the decision was to cover it during prayers if that was a problem.

Statue of liberty is visible from all corners of Manhattan, so u cannot say your prayers in Manhattan? Or the rules of prayers are different in different parts of the world for the same people?

I am sure there might be other bilboards near some Eidgah, what should we do about them, do we remove them too, or does the holy book allow bilboards?

During the time of the prophet, Pagans also used to worship the sun , fire (some still do), moon etc. So do we only pray after sunset when there is no full moon?

What I asked above is called critical thinking... try it sometimes, you will find your answer.

NoName
May 29, 2017, 10:49 AM
Not happening, Bangladesh is proudly a Muslim majority nation and the gov did the correct thing.

That sort of thinking is dangerous. Right wing Christians say the US is a proud Christian country, so would it be alright if they start saying something Islamic offends them such as a building of a mosque?

mufi_02
May 29, 2017, 10:55 AM
I feel like for many religion just became a set of rituals and symbols. Rather than improving one's own self, we are too busy in finding fault with everything else. We get into hour long about whether or not to say Ameen aloud or where to fold hands but barely talk about how to improve character and led an honest and truthful life.

This is an example of this. Thousands of hujurs marching down the streets and going such length of demonstrating and petitioning to remove the statue. At the end the statue was removed and the rationale was that now our iman is intact. They can use their numbers and effort to address real social vices such as bribery, corruption, child marriage etc.

I also don't like the name - "hefajot e Islam". Allah doesn't need this group or any group to 'protect Islam'.

bujhee kom
May 29, 2017, 01:08 PM
I feel like for many religion just became a set of rituals and symbols. Rather than improving one's own self, we are too busy in finding fault with everything else. We get into hour long about whether or not to say Ameen aloud or where to fold hands but barely talk about how to improve character and led an honest and truthful life.

This is an example of this. Thousands of hujurs marching down the streets and going such length of demonstrating and petitioning to remove the statue. At the end the statue was removed and the rationale was that now our iman is intact. They can use their numbers and effort to address real social vices such as bribery, corruption, child marriage etc.

I also don't like the name - "hefajot e Islam". Allah doesn't need this group or any group to 'protect Islam'.


There you go, Mufi. You said it and this is one fo the many reasons I love and admire your mind. You are one of the smaretest, most inteligent people that I am fortunate to meet in my life.

Do you see how many morons just come out of the woodworks like a bunch of savages, 'living deads' - in real life or in crap massage boards, "to protect Al-Islam?
Al-Islam, the Deen of Allah, the Creator of everything known and unknown, the most merciful and protector of all his creations, does NOT need some morons to protect his words and beauty.

SportingBD
May 29, 2017, 01:23 PM
Tell me something... why is a statue of a women on a saree be so offensive to anyone (irrespective of race and religion)? Just because it is visible from Eidgah does not make it an idol worship, and the decision was to cover it during prayers if that was a problem.

Statue of liberty is visible from all corners of Manhattan, so u cannot say your prayers in Manhattan? Or the rules of prayers are different in different parts of the world for the same people?

I am sure there might be other bilboards near some Eidgah, what should we do about them, do we remove them too, or does the holy book allow bilboards?

During the time of the prophet, Pagans also used to worship the sun , fire (some still do), moon etc. So do we only pray after sunset when there is no full moon?

What I asked above is called critical thinking... try it sometimes, you will find your answer.

I don't trust any modern so called Groups proclaiming to be representing Islam. I feel like these guys are playing on people's emotions and taking advantage of religion to make money and earn their living. If you see, some of the respected and old scholars of Bangladesh stayed away from politics, they benefited people genuinely. Anyway it's hard to say if any country has any group etc that fully represents Islam to stand up for good of people, it all seems to be related to their benefits.

Moh899
May 29, 2017, 02:21 PM
Wish we could ship these fanatics back to 6th century where they belong

Yah man defo! Its just sad to see this country going in a backward direction and that too in 2017.

Moh899
May 29, 2017, 02:24 PM
Theres a huge difference between worshipping a statue and creating a statue as it represents a symbol of something good. Whats realy sad is that these uneducated people from the streets dont know the difference. Good luck to the government chagols on your money hungry missions on taking this country in the bacward direction.

PoorFan
May 29, 2017, 06:05 PM
Theres a huge difference between worshipping a statue and creating a statue as it represents a symbol of something good. Whats realy sad is that these uneducated people from the streets dont know the difference.

I think they absolutely understand the difference, in fact they fear the spiritual power that any art work, structure or symbol can represent. They dont want such existence so that people can not unite behind such spirit and become a counter power. This is why historically, all over the world, art works, historical structures or symbols become the target and been destroyed in the name of 'worshiping'.

NoName
May 29, 2017, 07:17 PM
Hefazat is probably offended at the fact that its a woman.