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Vixen
March 8, 2017, 12:09 PM
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The two submarines, first of its kind, bought from China at a cost of $203 million, reached Chittagong port jetty on December 22, 2016. They were shifted to navy submarine jetty after two days, the navy officials said.

http://www.newagebd.net/article/10587/2-submarines-to-be-commissioned-on-march-12

Vixen
March 8, 2017, 12:10 PM
Congrats to BC forum members and Bangladesh Navy. :)

bujhee kom
March 8, 2017, 12:23 PM
Much thanks Vixen, great news.

Nuclear powered or diesel powered, do you know?

Vixen
March 8, 2017, 12:35 PM
Much thanks Vixen, great news.

Nuclear powered or diesel powered, do you know?


welcome bro.

these are diesel powered submarines. These are the Type 35G Ming class submarines that Bangladesh bought from China.

IMO , a good choice.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7ihy3H5yy_Y/VZmz5W-ZAjI/AAAAAAAAFkM/486ADJEFq2Q/s1600/Yuan%2Bclass.jpg

and The sale of nuclear submarines isn't allowed as per international law. but a country can lease a nuclear submarine from others , like indian navy have russian nuclear submarines on lease.

roman
March 8, 2017, 12:41 PM
Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

Vixen
March 8, 2017, 01:02 PM
Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

these are Type 35G Ming class submarines, total 12 were built from 1990-2000s era.
this variant of submarine is first of its kind for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) role in Type 35G ming class. ASW plays a huge role in this era if its supported by proper AWACS. it will be a huge punch from Bangladesh navy if you add AWACS.

tonmoy.dhaka
March 8, 2017, 01:06 PM
Heard it's a 70s model and refurbished in the 90s. Can anyone please share some real info on this?

Just don't want to see another Mig case

You can read up on the submarine here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_035_submarine

Bangladesh bought the variant type 35G.

These are mainly being used as Training Subs. As per forces Goal 2030 Bangladesh plans to procure couple more advanced version sub before 2030.

roman
March 8, 2017, 01:39 PM
Good info. Thanks to both of you

Mas_UK25
March 8, 2017, 01:55 PM
Old news, heard and discussed about this on defence thread. But good to see it's opened here, being discussed about it. Credit to op opening the thread.

Good job, BA. Credit to SHW and AL. More needed to strengthen the army,navy, border security. Yes, that's right, the way world is heading, no one can be trusted. No harm, in being ready for anything.

mufi_02
March 8, 2017, 03:36 PM
I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

tonmoy.dhaka
March 8, 2017, 10:46 PM
I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

You are right, I hate Defense spending. Whenever I see the cantonment in the middle of Dhaka city, it really pisses me off. We had to delay our metro rail project because of objection from the army. I would rather spend the money on Police/RAB (people who actually fight for ordinary citizens) than Army/navy/air-force.

Roy_1
March 8, 2017, 11:10 PM
I wonder if these luxuries are good for a third world country. These millions of dollars could have been better spent of roads/infrastructures and other job creating programs.

Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.

Jadukor
March 8, 2017, 11:23 PM
Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.
Spending on national security can be a good move but I am not sure submarines should be our top priority. A military confrontation with India or Pakistan or China is not really an option for Bangladesh. Myanmar is the only one, probably, to worry about and I suppose that is why we are beefing up the Navy.

However in terms of priority, I would rather see us spending more money on modernizing our Police Force and Counter Terrorism Units rather than buying submarines.

shoibboshach
March 9, 2017, 01:27 AM
Utter waste of poor peoples money. Corrupt politicians would make millions. I am not a defense expert but I don't think most countries would need submarines- definitely not Bangladesh. This money should be spent on employment, education, health or other infrastructures -Not wasted on "defense".

shoibboshach
March 9, 2017, 01:39 AM
these are Type 35G Ming class submarines, total 12 were built from 1990-2000s era.
this variant of submarine is first of its kind for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) role in Type 35G ming class. ASW plays a huge role in this era if its supported by proper AWACS. it will be a huge punch from Bangladesh navy if you add AWACS.

I am sorry but why many Pakistanis are so obsessed with these military toys? Does it make your country or any country for that matter more safer or advanced than it is?

Why hand over your country's hard earned cash to a murderous war and death merchant? Military spending isn't going to make your country or my country more safer. It will make our countries more poorer and our enemies richer.

Vixen
March 9, 2017, 07:30 AM
I am sorry but why many Pakistanis are so obsessed with these military toys? Does it make your country or any country for that matter more safer or advanced than it is?

Why hand over your country's hard earned cash to a murderous war and death merchant? Military spending isn't going to make your country or my country more safer. It will make our countries more poorer and our enemies richer.

no one is obsessed, its the need of the hour.

bro, look at our geographical location, we have borders with 2 nuclear states, china and india , others are Afghanistan which is destabilized from last 70+ yrs, and iran which have enemies around the world looking to invade it anytime.

in this era, one should have a maximum conventional capabilities for any conflict. such as Turkey etc
or one should have minimum nuclear capabilites such as Pakistan.


becoz without it, a country survival is on stake, whether they like it or not.
just look what happend to Iraq, Libya etc

its not about only military spending, its also about self reliance on your own. in military tech with ToT agreements etc.

with ToT now pakistan is selling, jets, training aircrafts, military tanks , MRAPs , UAVs , Radars etc.

Vixen
March 9, 2017, 07:38 AM
Spending on national security can be a good move but I am not sure submarines should be our top priority. A military confrontation with India or Pakistan or China is not really an option for Bangladesh. Myanmar is the only one, probably, to worry about and I suppose that is why we are beefing up the Navy.

However in terms of priority, I would rather see us spending more money on modernizing our Police Force and Counter Terrorism Units rather than buying submarines.

bro, just want to correct one thing here, china or pakistan isnt your enemy, and you dont need submarines for myanmar, you can handle them without it.
but you have borders with india, and india is the only one whos objecting to have you these submarines.
submarines isnt a defensive system,they are offensive weapons, and you are going to get more submarines in future.
i am sure Bangladesh army knows better whos friend and foes in this region in the future.

mufi_02
March 9, 2017, 09:34 AM
Nothing wrong in defense spending, with growing economy a robust defense force is a must, no matter how friendly your neighborhood is.

In India too many are skeptic about our defense expenditures, but national security comes first especially when we have two nuclear powers who are armed to the teeth with conventional weapons as well is casting evil eyes upon our territories.

I don't think Bangladesh's national security is under threat from her neighbors or regional powers. I would hate to be entangled or get caught between Ind/Pak fights. They can fight among themselves and enhance their nuclear arsenals (which is so unnecessary to begin with when half of the country is still dirt poor).

I would rather have millions of people getting out of impoverished poverty than to have a nuclear weapon or first class defense just for the sake of "protecting our borders".

NoName
March 9, 2017, 10:19 AM
It's a waste, if we were to get into a war with any of our neighbors they can very well carpet sweep us in a matter of hours, these submarines won't do jack.

Lol @ using it for Myannmar

tonmoy.dhaka
March 9, 2017, 12:20 PM
It's a waste, if we were to get into a war with any of our neighbors they can very well carpet sweep us in a matter of hours, these submarines won't do jack.

Lol @ using it for Myannmar

Here is the thing. You need a boogeyman in order to demand that they buy you expensive toys. For Bangladesh, Myanmar is the boogeyman. For Pakistan, India is the boogeyman. For India, China is the boogeyman. For China, USA is the boogeyman.

Anyways truth be told, Bangladesh cannot be invaded by any country. It can be obliterated (using nukes) but cannot be invaded. You can bring all your advanced weaponry, but with those you can only kill people not rule people.

Shingara
March 10, 2017, 03:50 AM
You are right, I hate Defense spending. Whenever I see the cantonment in the middle of Dhaka city, it really pisses me off. We had to delay our metro rail project because of objection from the army. I would rather spend the money on Police/RAB (people who actually fight for ordinary citizens) than Army/navy/air-force.

We delayed our metro rail because of an unused BAF airport. BAF complained and it was then classed as a domestic airport but no domestic flights have yet to fly from here.

You want to spen money on BD police. Bhai, matha thik asey to ? Policerey taka diley ora ki vodro professional hoye jabey ? AHAHAHAHAH

shoibboshach
March 10, 2017, 04:47 AM
no one is obsessed, its the need of the hour.

bro, look at our geographical location, we have borders with 2 nuclear states, china and india , others are Afghanistan which is destabilized from last 70+ yrs, and iran which have enemies around the world looking to invade it anytime.

in this era, one should have a maximum conventional capabilities for any conflict. such as Turkey etc
or one should have minimum nuclear capabilites such as Pakistan.


becoz without it, a country survival is on stake, whether they like it or not.
just look what happend to Iraq, Libya etc

its not about only military spending, its also about self reliance on your own. in military tech with ToT agreements etc.

with ToT now pakistan is selling, jets, training aircrafts, military tanks , MRAPs , UAVs , Radars etc.

Dear Vixen brother, Bangladesh most certainly doesn't share border with China or Afghanistan. Stocking nukes or arming yourself to teeth is still an utter waste of nation's resources and rich boys pass time -almost akin to hunting games for trophies and sticking those on the walls. The drama of the "cold war" was great for both the Soviet and US military complexes and, of course, the big Bankers. The fact is despite the proliferation of nukes and conventional weaponry the mighty old Soviet Union disintergrated and Russia today only serves as the much needed Big Bad Guy (beside the Terrorists) so that the corrupt (big) governments may continue squandering nations resources and poor taxpayers money. Please read up on how Nuclear technology was leaked to the Soviets by the US and read between the lines and ask yourself some probing questions.

Coming back to regional history, Bangladesh was never invaded by India or China. It was Pakistani military who invaded Bangladesh, committed genocide and rape on mass scale. Pakistan still owes us an official apology. The fact is Pak government and army has committed historical crimes and blunders and continues to do so till this day. Pak publics are duped and oblivious to this. They must realize that their goverment and the army isn't a benevolent one. In fact, it is one of the most corrupt in the world. You guys really need to wake up. This isn't meant to be Pak bash post but your country is in a mess. I sincerely hope Pak public will forgo their arm fetishes and instead hold their army and government responsible for current mess and instability.

The future is not built on an Arms Race. If Libya and Iraq (or Soviet) with all their petro-dollars and advanced infrastructures couldn't survive the International Mafia, I'm sure Bangladesh or Pakistan will not either. The future belongs to making regional political and economical treaties with China and India. There are only mutual benefits in this. China and India are both old high civilisations and knows very well what will bring their nations stability, peace and prosperity. India -with all her modern problems and shortcomings -shouldn't be automatically seen as a foe. We have so much cultural and historical commonalities. We must remind India about her glorious history, tradition and culture and the danger of the current unholy alliance with the NWO for short term benefits (traditional Indian culture is crumbling fast). We should cooperate with each other for our mutual benefits and not be antagonistic towards each other. A reasonable mind should be able to grasp this without much difficulties.

Vixen
March 10, 2017, 07:21 AM
Dear Vixen brother, Bangladesh most certainly doesn't share border with China or Afghanistan. Stocking nukes or arming yourself to teeth is still an utter waste of nation's resources and rich boys pass time -almost akin to hunting games for trophies and sticking those on the walls. The drama of the "cold war" was great for both the Soviet and US military complexes and, of course, the big Bankers. The fact is despite the proliferation of nukes and conventional weaponry the mighty old Soviet Union disintergrated and Russia today only serves as the much needed Big Bad Guy (beside the Terrorists) so that the corrupt (big) governments may continue squandering nations resources and poor taxpayers money. Please read up on how Nuclear technology was leaked to the Soviets by the US and read between the lines and ask yourself some probing questions.

Coming back to regional history, Bangladesh was never invaded by India or China. It was Pakistani military who invaded Bangladesh, committed genocide and rape on mass scale. Pakistan still owes us an official apology. The fact is Pak government and army has committed historical crimes and blunders and continues to do so till this day. Pak publics are duped and oblivious to this. They must realize that their goverment and the army isn't a benevolent one. In fact, it is one of the most corrupt in the world. You guys really need to wake up. This isn't meant to be Pak bash post but your country is in a mess. I sincerely hope Pak public will forgo their arm fetishes and instead hold their army and government responsible for current mess and instability.

The future is not built on an Arms Race. If Libya and Iraq (or Soviet) with all their petro-dollars and advanced infrastructures couldn't survive the International Mafia, I'm sure Bangladesh or Pakistan will not either. The future belongs to making regional political and economical treaties with China and India. There are only mutual benefits in this. China and India are both old high civilisations and knows very well what will bring their nations stability, peace and prosperity. India -with all her modern problems and shortcomings -shouldn't be automatically seen as a foe. We have so much cultural and historical commonalities. We must remind India about her glorious history, tradition and culture and the danger of the current unholy alliance with the NWO for short term benefits (traditional Indian culture is crumbling fast). We should cooperate with each other for our mutual benefits and not be antagonistic towards each other. A reasonable mind should be able to grasp this without much difficulties.

brother, as you have assumed yourself here that i dont know about the history of cold war / US or Soviet era. thn whatever i tell you here, its not worth of your time.

secondly, i am happy you got independence from pakistan, i wish you best of luck in future with your friendly and loving neighbouring countries. becoz pakistan isnt in your neighbour so you shouldnt be worried about pakistan .

your country, your rule. its upto your govt or army whatever they want to do with it.
you dont want to bash my country, fine. but even if you or someone want to bash my country thn its your choice. i was expecting it, the bangladesh war 71 and all, and i know i will face it in every thread i will create. i know each and every bangladeshi member will remind me about 71 war whether its a thread topic or not.

I have just created this thread to congratulate the bangladeshi countrymen/army to get thre first ever Submarine in the history of Bangladesh army.

pakistan's policy is alway Minimum Credible Deterrence for the country, and thats whats our goal regarding defence.
about economy thn one should read bloomberg reports about pakistan economy from last couple of years.

economic growth is good thing. but one cant have economic growth without having a good and potent defence.

and someone should have told US about the Iraqi civilizations and culture before carpet bombing it.

adamnsu
March 10, 2017, 08:11 AM
IMO all I can say is some people must have made a fair bit of money.

What will we do with a submarine? Even Godzilla wont bother coming to our shores

shoibboshach
March 10, 2017, 08:46 AM
You're missing the point, Vixen. The US/Globalists don't have to carpet bomb Pakistan. The drones can and are killing many. Your nukes ain't gonna save you if THEY decide to come after you like they did against Iraq or Libya. Eventually, they WILL come after you. Once, you have served their geo-political agenda and have nothing else to offer. They can/will sanction you. They will take you down in stages. They have already helped creating the Pakistani Taliban and they will exploit your internal tribal and regional skirmishes. They will use your intelligence, base and army and will discard you when the utility is over. Believe you me US or Nato are not your allies. Also, don't be deluded with your military "prowess".

I am not a Pak hater but you see your attitude towards the 1971 Liberation war is a typical one of many Pakistani. You still think Bangladesh was your Lebensraum and you have not committed any crime. You must learn to see from different perspective and have a good knowledge of history. It is a gross ignorance when people don't acknowledge their mistakes nor learn from it. You think we have no reason to remind you about '71 -especially when you talk about borders and invading neighbours! You cannot blame India for everything. There is a rogue element to India no doubt but I am thinking of great many decent Indian people who are not natural enemy of Bangladesh or Pakistan. I think you're too involved in India-Pakistan identity politics. I find it futile. The subcontinental people must unite -not necessarily geographically- despite our religious or linguistic differences. We were united once and we can be again. We need to have the right will and a vision.

Back to topic, I thank you for your congratulations but I don't agree with wasting resources for futile competitions, reasons or fetishes.

Shingara
March 10, 2017, 08:53 AM
shoibboshach bhai, vixen Bangali na, o paikkastani

Vixen
March 10, 2017, 10:33 AM
You're missing the point, Vixen. The US/Globalists don't have to carpet bomb Pakistan. The drones can and are killing many. Your nukes ain't gonna save you if THEY decide to come after you like they did against Iraq or Libya. Eventually, they WILL come after you. Once, you have served their geo-political agenda and have nothing else to offer. They can/will sanction you. They will take you down in stages. They have already helped creating the Pakistani Taliban and they will exploit your internal tribal and regional skirmishes. They will use your intelligence, base and army and will discard you when the utility is over. Believe you me US or Nato are not your allies. Also, don't be deluded with your military "prowess".

I am not a Pak hater but you see your attitude towards the 1971 Liberation war is a typical one of many Pakistani. You still think Bangladesh was your Lebensraum and you have not committed any crime. You must learn to see from different perspective and have a good knowledge of history. It is a gross ignorance when people don't acknowledge their mistakes nor learn from it. You think we have no reason to remind you about '71 -especially when you talk about borders and invading neighbours! You cannot blame India for everything. There is a rogue element to India no doubt but I am thinking of great many decent Indian people who are not natural enemy of Bangladesh or Pakistan. I think you're too involved in India-Pakistan identity politics. I find it futile. The subcontinental people must unite -not necessarily geographically- despite our religious or linguistic differences. We were united once and we can be again. We need to have the right will and a vision.

Back to topic, I thank you for your congratulations but I don't agree with wasting resources for futile competitions, reasons or fetishes.

brother, for your first paragraph, thres no one permanent friend or foe in geopolitics. only mutual benefits. No one is our Ally.
US knows that and Pakistan knows that. we know very well what US will do or wont do, we will play our cards when time comes.

secondly, no one can invade a nuclear state , the best someone can do is put sanctions on a country, as if pakistan had never got any sanctions before from US ? or or try to destabilize it internally. well thats the part we can handle with the help of our experianced security forces/Intel.

but invading a nuclear state isnt an option in this era. everyone knows the consequences and risks of trying to invade a nuclear state. becoz it may or may not effect a super power directly but it will effect the whole region of that country.
i am not deluded with our military prowess or whatever and i am not talking about it with arrogance, but i am talking about it as a student of defence studies. pakistan is generation behind when it comes to compare with US military tech. but when it comes to Nuclear state .thn no one wants to go for that option. give me one example that someone invaded a nuclear state ?

they cant handle north korea alone, and pakistan is very diffrent from it, both geostrategically and politically. we have an edge of geostrategical location in this region which no country can deny it, whether they like it or not. even US cant deny it.
someone should read the russian/US/Chinese think tanks reports on this.

for your second paragraph, i never said that we didnt made any mistakes. we did made mistakes, and someone took the advantage of our mistake. but we learn from it and we are sorry for that.

i have never said in any dis-respective way, i was just trying to point out in my previous post about 71 is for some people who dont want to move on from it and bring 71 war on each and every thread whether its the thread topic or not.

you said you are not a pakistani hater, fine. but you do generalize me when you said i have same typical pakistani mind-set, but never mind.

sure we can be united again, thats why we have a SAARC platform. but if an elephant in the SAARC keep playing with it like a football. thn one can only hope for the best.

for your last line, i can only wish a best of luck for ur country/army for the future. as each and every country have different military doctrine.

Vixen
March 10, 2017, 10:37 AM
shoibboshach bhai, vixen Bangali na, o paikkastani


he knows i am a pakistani :)

adamnsu
March 10, 2017, 10:52 AM
The Pakistanis I have dealt with mostly had common traits when it comes to Bangladeshis:

- Why did we leave them in 1971 as we were like brothers implying it was our own fault!
- They refused to think that there own army comitted any mistakes in 1971 and quite few get very angry about this part. They are like Israelis imo when it comes to this.
- They think India was fully responsible (this is partially true though)
- They would tease their own kind who were of a darker skin as being Bangladeshi.
- Bangladeshi are mocked for their fondness for fish and rice

My experiences with majority of the Pakistanis have been poor in real life. The worst was with a house mate whose retired army father came to visit us. I have been cheated many times by Pakistanis in the UK.

Although I must say, I have come across 2/3 Pakistanis who have been the most decent and gentle individuals I have ever met. They hardly ever talked about politics, heck they were rather shocked to hear about what really happened in 1971. These kind of people imo are rare from Pakistan.

That being said, when I deal with a Pakistani, I treat them with caution but with respect. I also think it is important to have economic and other partnerships. But it is also important for Pakistani politicians to all admit of what really happened in 1971 in Bangladesh.

roman
March 10, 2017, 11:05 AM
Why are we talking about 71 and Pakistanis here? This thread is about the submarines that we have purchased from China. Let's talk about how it will serve our purposes and help our defence/economy or anything else related to it.

tonmoy.dhaka
March 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
Submarine will neither help our economy nor serve any good purpose.
It will help elevate the ego of our Defense force and some citizens of Bangladesh .

At the end of the day, buying such expensive toys is just a part of D*** measuring contest.

Vixen
March 10, 2017, 11:56 AM
Why are we talking about 71 and Pakistanis here? This thread is about the submarines that we have purchased from China. Let's talk about how it will serve our purposes and help our defence/economy or anything else related to it.

bro, as i have said before in this thread, submarines are offensive weapons and you are going to add more submarines in future. maybe your military doctrine going to be change in a decade or so, thats why your govt/army is intrested in these weapons.

i heard Bangladesh airforce interested in Russian MIG-35 aircraft for naval and airforce role. which is also an expensive option for an aircraft. i will create a new thread for it later.

Tigers_eye
March 10, 2017, 12:14 PM
Spending on national security can be a good move but I am not sure submarines should be our top priority...Here is the issue.

With that money had they bought more rapid action strike boats (Smaller than frigates); that would make sense and be helpful actually.
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1. I am not sure if any of you know the shallowness of bay of Bengal. It is not good for submarines. (can't hide) It can be spotted easily. These don't have values unless we are adventuring in to Indian Ocean and beyond.

2. For submarines you have to have special docks. (more money) I know a thing or two. If you want to know more, PM me.
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These are for bragging only. Yes, we have submarines. As if....

shoibboshach
March 10, 2017, 01:20 PM
brother, for your first paragraph, thres no one permanent friend or foe in geopolitics. only mutual benefits. No one is our Ally.
US knows that and Pakistan knows that. we know very well what US will do or wont do, we will play our cards when time comes.

secondly, no one can invade a nuclear state , the best someone can do is put sanctions on a country, as if pakistan had never got any sanctions before from US ? or or try to destabilize it internally. well thats the part we can handle with the help of our experianced security forces/Intel.

but invading a nuclear state isnt an option in this era. everyone knows the consequences and risks of trying to invade a nuclear state. becoz it may or may not effect a super power directly but it will effect the whole region of that country.



I appreciate your enthusiasm for military or Defense (War) Studies. I am also somewhat alarmed. "No one is our Ally" moto sounds so faithless, post-modernist and depressing. Alliance solely based on self-interest or short-term benefits sounds very unethical, Machiavellian and injudicious. This is precisely the kind of thinking which got Pakistan in trouble over the involvement with "War on Terror" and going to bed with US and Nato. I believe Pervez Musharraf is still on the run.

If one speaks as a muslim or any kind of a believer, then one must have ethics, code of conducts and principles. You cannot defeat Satan in his own game by being satanic nor can you dance to his tunes for a while because the dance might last forever. I hope you're not studying at the Sandhurst, RCDS or any major Western Military academy nor their affiliated college. They are very good at converting students to their way of thinking and what is good for the 'industry'.

Once again, no one need to invade a nuclear or not state. They can destroy or destabilize using different methods and tactics. Pakistan is important because of Central Asia's oil and gas fields and the opium fields of Afghanistan. So, you better play your "cards" right and be aware.

BTW, i am glad to hear that you concede that Pakistan have made a mistake over 1971 war. It is a step in the right direction. It would be a good idea if you can convince your people and government now to do the same. I say this with love and best intentions.

Mas_UK25
March 12, 2017, 07:37 AM
Proud moment. Joy Bangla! Excellent of SHW and AL to invest more in the arm, defense force. BD like any nation has to be developed in it's defense, army, navy, etc. Good Job current gov.

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Mas_UK25
March 12, 2017, 07:49 AM
Can some obsessed ultra obsessed people stop bringing in 71 into anything, given any chance?

This thread isn't about 71, this thread is about the two submarines BANGLADESH purchased! . Why don't you open a thread on about 71, if you want to make you're points and to talk about it?

Shingara
March 12, 2017, 07:52 AM
The thing we need to remember is Bangladesh is no longer poor. We are self-sufficient. Amra na khaiya morbo na. It's good to beef up the defense. Had we beefed up BAF, we could have stopped a lot of smuggling from Burma.

Mas_UK25
March 12, 2017, 07:53 AM
Can some people stop bringing in 71 into anything, given any chance?

This thread isn't about 71, this thread is about the two submarines BANGLADESH purchased! . Why don't you open a thread on about 71, if you want to make you're points and to talk about it?

Mas_UK25
March 12, 2017, 08:09 AM
The thing we need to remember is Bangladesh is no longer poor. We are self-sufficient. Amra na khaiya morbo na. It's good to beef up the defense. Had we beefed up BAF, we could have stopped a lot of smuggling from Burma.

Good points.

This is my message to those who are just negative regarding defense beef up and development.

Everything has a place. BD gov has reduced poverty, look at it up doing some research will help, stats don't lie. It won't be cleaned up just like that 100% completely. Look at USA despite being worlds most powerful and very rich nation, and what not, has millions in poverty, LA has thousands and thousands sleeping in the streets, homeless. There are poor people in UK, in London too, trust me, hundreds if not thousands are homeless, sleeping rough!

BD has to go on in other areas too like defense, whether there is poverty or not, other developments has to be ensured. I don't know whether you aware of the situation with Mynmar? Myanmar or not, it doesn't matter because you need a well developed defense, arm force, for your country's future, given the way the WORLD is at, there is conflicts/wars going on, with the extreme groups gathering more and more. It's a evil, mad world out their and not everyone that helps you is your friend.

Shingara
March 12, 2017, 09:24 AM
Isn't there a saying like The best offence is defense.
Burma walked all over us with the Rohingya crisis because our armed forces' strength is poor compared to theirs. Had we been strong in this area, they would have thought twice.

Imagine if BD was India, Pak would have taken away Jamu & Kashmir from us. Look at Golan Heights, as another example.

tonmoy.dhaka
March 13, 2017, 09:23 AM
The thing we need to remember is Bangladesh is no longer poor. We are self-sufficient. Amra na khaiya morbo na. It's good to beef up the defense. Had we beefed up BAF, we could have stopped a lot of smuggling from Burma.

Smuggling happens under the noses of Border Guard Bangladesh. They all take a cut. It is no secret.
We are a small country, defense personnel does the least amount of work in Bangladesh and gets the maximum privilege. Look at the size of their bases. Look at the luxury and for what?
Huge chunk of land inside Dhaka city is not accessible to normal public because BGB and BAngladesh Army has their rights to those areas? Whom do they serve?

NoName
March 13, 2017, 11:30 AM
Don't think our military strength had anything to do with Myanmar walking 'all over us'. It's more so a lack of care and conviction by our government and the global world.

mufi_02
March 13, 2017, 01:10 PM
Don't think our military strength had anything to do with Myanmar walking 'all over us'. It's more so a lack of care and conviction by our government and the global world.

Also, the govt needs to spend heavily on defense to keep them happy. In BD, it is very important to please military and give them lots of benefits in order to prevent a coup or just general unrest. Because military is the only entity that are quasi-independent and acts a check for the govt. Other than that, there is no reason for the govt to spend millions of dollars.

Fazal
March 15, 2017, 03:31 PM
Submarine-e kono leak teak nai tou?