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shuridh
July 21, 2017, 02:58 AM
Who is the best Bangladeshi test batsman of all time?
In my opinion the candidates are
Shakib
Tamim
Mushy
Momin
Habibul

MHRAM
July 21, 2017, 06:47 AM
Tamim for me

Has a double century, several hundreds a few of them away from Bangladesh. He is comfortable against spin and swing. Looks really elegant on the eye. Only issue is not using soft hands too often

aklemalp
July 21, 2017, 06:52 AM
Going by average. ...

Shakib

bujhee kom
July 21, 2017, 07:14 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim

tiger1000
July 21, 2017, 07:29 AM
Tamim for me

Has a double century, several hundreds a few of them away from Bangladesh. He is comfortable against spin and swing. Looks really elegant on the eye. Only issue is not using soft hands too often

Yep

Tamim by far and away

He's an opener and he's getting better and getting into his prime now

tiger1000
July 21, 2017, 07:30 AM
Going by average. ...

Shakib

I think you'll find that's mominul

aklemalp
July 21, 2017, 07:48 AM
I think you'll find that's mominul

I might add playing for more than 5 years

MHRAM
July 21, 2017, 08:04 AM
Going by average. ...

Shakib

Tamim is marginally behind and has to see off new ball.
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SportingBD
July 21, 2017, 08:09 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim.

His started to put up the numbers in Test.

shuridh
July 21, 2017, 10:27 AM
For me it is Tamim, but I also think Shakib also not so behind. He was averaging around 50 for last couple of years.
I am conflited about third place. Mushy or Momin are tied for now but current form is giving Mushy an edge.

aklemalp
July 21, 2017, 10:29 AM
Mominul has been a little under ordinary in the last few matches, posing the question: has he lost his mojo?

shuridh
July 21, 2017, 10:32 AM
Mominul has been a little under ordinary in the last few matches, posing the question: has he lost his mojo?

I agree with you.

Rifat
July 21, 2017, 10:34 AM
Mominul "Bradman" Haque followed by Shakib al "Awesome" Hasan and then Tamim the "Murderer" Iqbal, lastly Mushfiqur "Emotional" Rahim.

It has to be one of these four.
Habibul "the Basher" Bashar deserves honorary mention.

shuridh
July 21, 2017, 10:44 AM
From January 2015 in test

Shakib scored 950 runs averaging 50.00, 2 hundreds 4 fifties, S/R 66.15.
Tamim scored 934 runs averaging 44.47, 2 hundreds 5 fifties S/R 57.94.
Mushy scored 754 runs averaging 44.35, 2 hundreds 3 fifties, S/R 48.77.
Momin scored 490 runs averaging 28.82, 4 fifties, S/R 51.52.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;spanmin1=1+Jan+2015;spanval1=sp an;team=25;template=results;type=batting

tiger1000
July 21, 2017, 10:58 AM
I might add playing for more than 5 years

I was more pointing out average doesn't show all the story

Tamim is world class and can bat in any condition and is reliable, whereas Shakib is a world class all rounder, he's a reliable performer in the match, but he doesn't always deliver with the bat

I still have him second

Bashar could have been up there, but he was put at 3 and his style suited the middle order not top, further he was a reflex player who played most of his career in his 30s, reflex players are in the peaks in their 20's

I certainly think if all things are considered tamim and shakib have to be the ones fighting it out for top spot, mushfiq has been a massive underachiever for most of his career, he should be averaging mid 40's with his talent

shuridh
July 21, 2017, 11:12 AM
I was more pointing out average doesn't show all the story

Tamim is world class and can bat in any condition and is reliable, whereas Shakib is a world class all rounder, he's a reliable performer in the match, but he doesn't always deliver with the bat

I still have him second

Bashar could have been up there, but he was put at 3 and his style suited the middle order not top, further he was a reflex player who played most of his career in his 30s, reflex players are in the peaks in their 20's

I certainly think if all things are considered tamim and shakib have to be the ones fighting it out for top spot, mushfiq has been a massive underachiever for most of his career, he should be averaging mid 40's with his talent
Mushy was averaging around 17-18 in first couple of years of his career and that is bringing his overall average down.
He is averaging around 45 from 2015-17 though.

Fazal
July 21, 2017, 02:09 PM
Tamim.

However the bar is still pretty low. New breed of players will break the record pretty soon.

NoName
July 21, 2017, 02:17 PM
Got a soft spot for Bashar but I'd say Tamim

aklemalp
July 21, 2017, 02:25 PM
Does javed Omar gets a special mention or not?

Fazal
July 21, 2017, 02:36 PM
Does javed Omar gets a special mention or not?

Not him.... may be Bashar from past.

aklemalp
July 21, 2017, 03:20 PM
Not him.... may be Bashar from past.

He's up there though. Probably in top 20

Gowza
July 21, 2017, 05:49 PM
Bashar might still be top 5. I've got tamim, mushy, shakib, mominul and then possibly habibul...the first 3 in no order but probably either tamim or mushy as number 1.

tiger1000
July 21, 2017, 06:53 PM
He's up there though. Probably in top 20

Subjectively speaking, no, no he's not, omar that is

Gowza
July 21, 2017, 07:08 PM
Pretty much everyone who came after javed has been better than him.

Shadow
July 21, 2017, 11:22 PM
I will go with Tamim. He is good both with the pace and the spin. He is also the leading run scorer at this moment in tests.

tiger1000
July 22, 2017, 06:17 AM
Mushy was averaging around 17-18 in first couple of years of his career and that is bringing his overall average down.
He is averaging around 45 from 2015-17 though.


He should be averaging 50 odd during his peak and he will, if given matches, he should have been averaging more than 40 by now.

He's finally, finally living up to his potential, currently I have him as our second best batsman, but we can't ignore the fact Shakib whilst having a heavier load out batted him, with less technique

He can't be top 2 overall at this point, he simply been too poor for too long

aklemalp
July 22, 2017, 06:18 AM
Subjectively speaking, no, no he's not, omar that is

Obviously, I was joking:)

shuridh
July 22, 2017, 10:46 AM
He should be averaging 50 odd during his peak and he will, if given matches, he should have been averaging more than 40 by now.

He's finally, finally living up to his potential, currently I have him as our second best batsman, but we can't ignore the fact Shakib whilst having a heavier load out batted him, with less technique

He can't be top 2 overall at this point, he simply been too poor for too long

Shakib was very impressive , I am expecting him to finish his test career with 45+ average.

tiger1000
July 22, 2017, 10:56 AM
Obviously, I was joking:)

I figured, hence I said Subjectively speaking... I.e only in my opinion he's not top 20, but he could be objectively

Which is obviously not the case

tiger1000
July 22, 2017, 10:56 AM
Shakib was very impressive , I am expecting him to finish his test career with 45+ average.

I don't know about that, he seems to be peaked in test batting, 45+ is a mighty ask

shuridh
July 22, 2017, 11:21 AM
I don't know about that, he seems to be peaked in test batting, 45+ is a mighty ask

Shakib is averaging 50 from last 2 years in test. So if he can maintain his 50 + average in next 4 years then his overall test average will be 45+.

tiger1000
July 22, 2017, 01:26 PM
Shakib is averaging 50 from last 2 years in test. So if he can maintain his 50 + average in next 4 years then his overall test average will be 45+.

Here's why I think that's very difficult and unlikely.

A batsmen tends to have a 4/5 year peak, and am sure you would agree he's been in his peak for about 2 years already.

He's an all rounder, not a batsmen, so it's further difficult to maintain form right at the top without slipping.

He's a reflex player, who relies on hand speed and reaction times, not technique. If we go by your years, he'll be 34, before he can reach 45.

Most players Don't retire right at the top, especially not Asian players. If he is to reach average of 45 by age 34, do you think he'll retire, he won't. He'll go on couple more years, which then makes the challenge of Maintaining his average, which for his style is very very difficult.

He may be able to reach average of 45, I don't think he will, but it's possible, I certainly don't see him retiring with an average of 45.

Past 2 years, he's averaging 50 with the bat and 32 with the ball, that's as good as anyone to have ever played the game.

For comparison, Stokes that many on here think is better, without actually consistent watching him, is miles behind Shakib.

http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/265700/265762.png

aklemalp
July 22, 2017, 01:27 PM
I figured, hence I said Subjectively speaking... I.e only in my opinion he's not top 20, but he could be objectively

Which is obviously not the case

Perhaps, we could stretch it to the top 30

Tigers_eye
July 22, 2017, 03:11 PM
The one that got away!!!

The one didn't play test. :) Atahar Ali. He would have put everyone ....

RazabQ
July 22, 2017, 07:50 PM
Yeah, Athar might have been our best Test batsman. To be international class and be the only one in the country at that time and still stand out.

DinRaat.
July 23, 2017, 06:38 AM
Shakib?! a test batsmen with a average of 45. Hook some matches with Zimbabwe and Ireland and he will get it for sure.

shuridh
July 23, 2017, 07:30 AM
Shakib?! a test batsmen with a average of 45. Hook some matches with Zimbabwe and Ireland and he will get it for sure.

Hey his career average is 41 and so he has a decent chance to have an average of 45 at the end of his career.
He is averaging 50 in test matches from 2015-17.