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kalpurush
August 19, 2017, 04:22 PM
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কাল দল ঘোষণার পর থেকে সাধারণ্যে যে প্রশ্নটা ঘুরছে, সেটা বিস্ময়ের সাগরে ডুবিয়ে দিয়েছে দেশের ক্রিকেট-বিশেষজ্ঞদেরও। অস্ট্রেলিয়ার বিপক্ষে প্রথম টেস্টের দলে মুমিনুল হক নেই! টানা ১১ টেস্টে ফিফটি করার কীর্তি যাঁর, টেস্টে যাঁর রানের গড় ৪৬.৮৮, সেই ব্যাটসম্যানের কিনা জায়গা হয় না ১৪ জনের দলেও! জাতীয় দলের সাবেক অধিনায়ক, কোচ থেকে শুরু করে সবাই হতবাক মিনহাজুল আবেদীনের নির্বাচক কমিটি আর কোচ চন্ডিকা হাথুরুসিংহের এমন সিদ্ধান্তে।


http://i.imgur.com/4edH6yA.jpg

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সৌজন্যেঃ http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1295711/%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%81%E0%A6%B2-%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%87

I agree with Faruqe here as well as with Ashraf and Salahuddin...

Mominul should be in the squad, if not playing 11. Considering our upcoming away tours and test championship, we can't have our best test batter out of squad...

I don't want anyone of the current squad out now, but to make things fair, make it a 15 men squad to include Momin - it would be a grave mistake to leave Mominul out of cricket...IMHO.

mufi_02
August 19, 2017, 04:33 PM
I get it that Mominul has a very good average. But that was from years ago. In the past 12 months, in both international and domestics, he hasnt done anything extraordinary.

Also he isn't the best test batsmen now. Tamim/Mushfiq is our best test player.

kalpurush
August 19, 2017, 04:53 PM
I get it that Mominul has a very good average. But that was from years ago. In the past 12 months, in both international and domestics, he hasnt done anything extraordinary.

Also he isn't the best test batsmen now. Tamim/Mushfiq is our best test player.

Well, Momin had two bad tests, and he is out! Remember Sarker? How many chances he was given?? Pls note that I am a Sarker fan, but seek fairness when selecting players...

Momin has the highest test average among all Bangladesh cricketers, if I am not mistaking...

SH Anik
August 19, 2017, 05:29 PM
Well, Momin had two bad tests, and he is out! Remember Sarker? How many chances he was given?? Pls note that I am a Sarker fan, but seek fairness when selecting players...

Momin has the highest test average among all Bangladesh cricketers, if I am not mistaking...

:up::up:

fush_montor
August 19, 2017, 06:10 PM
we have 3 lefties in the top 6..tamim, soumya/kaedge, shakib...add mominul & it becomes 4...lefties that will play against Lyon who is one of the better offies going around and probably going to be their most effective bowler in the series if he can replicate what he did in India...may be that's the logic behind Sauravs exclusion...no matter what, either Kayes or Soumya has to be on the team sheet due to their 'openner' tag..the question is who will now play at the all important no. 3 position...mushfiq should be kept at 4 or bellow, specially if he keeps all day...my bet is on Shaikat!

fush_montor
August 19, 2017, 06:16 PM
^PS: does anybody else find it ironic that 'ShyCat' will be batting against 'Lion'?

No?? ok...I'll shut up now!

Tausif
August 19, 2017, 06:48 PM
I don't know about Sarkar but Sabbir has no business being in the test squad. Momin could have easily been included ahead of Sabbir.

reyme
August 19, 2017, 06:56 PM
If someone needs to be dropped from this contingent then it has to be the biased head coach

his biased attitude and stubbornness has gone just too far....

he just gifted away the 1st test to his homeland Australia....

bring in a new coach, Ganguly would be a good choice

reyme
August 19, 2017, 06:56 PM
If someone needs to be dropped from this contingent then it has to be the biased head coach

his biased attitude and stubbornness has gone just too far....

he just gifted away the 1st test to his homeland Australia....

bring in a new coach, Ganguly would be a good choice

MarufH
August 19, 2017, 08:37 PM
Calm down people. He is still the coach who got us so much success.

Dont forget, Mominul has not been in greatest form!

Coach knows his players - and the ausies really well. Have some faith!

MHRAM
August 19, 2017, 10:23 PM
Explain Sabbir ahead of Mominul. Sabbir has zero international centuries. Zero man of the match awards in test or ODIs.
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patriot
August 20, 2017, 12:07 AM
Mominul is walking wicket against quality off spin. Remember, he struggled against the great Dilruwan parera. Lyon will have him for dessert. A good decision by the coach.

Eclipse
August 20, 2017, 12:21 AM
Good decision. Mominul deserved it.

Eclipse
August 20, 2017, 12:24 AM
Faruk is just trying to score some brownie points here, he's just angry that he isn't the chief selector anymore. Therefore his opinions should be ignored completely.

SH Anik
August 20, 2017, 02:25 AM
http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1296301/%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%81%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%AF%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%A3%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A 7%9C


সাফল্যের ঝলকে আড়াল হয়ে গেলেও কিছু অন্ধকার দিক হাথুরু ধীরে ধীরে তৈরি করছেন। অপরিণত কোনো খেলোয়াড়কে হঠাৎই খেলিয়ে দেওয়া। আবার কদিন পর তাঁকেই ছুড়ে ফেলা। শুধু বয়সের অজুহাত দিয়ে ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের পারফরম্যান্সকে তোয়াক্কা না করা। ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের পারফরম্যান্সের চেয়ে নেটে ব্যাটিং-বোলিং দেখে কাউকে দলে নেওয়া। আবার পছন্দের কোনো খেলোয়াড় খারাপ করলেও তাঁকে বাড়তি সুরক্ষা দেওয়া , অন্যজনের ক্ষেত্রে সেই অনুগ্রহ না দেখানো।

PA Comment of the day :lol:
Hatura knows Mominul paying well at home condition .. He knows Mominul will perform and his favorite Saumo Sarkar's place will block. So some how Hatura want to destroy Mominul's career. may be next Shout Africa tour he give chance to Mominul then Good bye Mominul .

reyme
August 20, 2017, 02:27 AM
Out of form? Walking wicket? Who just scored the highest in the practice match few days ago against all our best off spinners? And who scored a 1 and 9 there? Soumya and Sabbir. Mominuls' performance in domestics and international cricket is far superior than pretty much all our batsman.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1296301/%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%81%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%AF%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%A3%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A 7%9C


If you have not seen Mominul's batting then please watch some highlights on youtube.

Mominul is by far the best Test batsman and its a fact. You could not ignore Sachin in Team India's Test team even if had scored 10 ducks in a row, you cant simply drop him. Same goes with Mominul and thats why everyone in enraged except some hanldfuls of people who probabaly did not see him play in internationals. Name one batsman who can score a 181 in a very difficult situation the way he did in a Test against NZ. No one, definitely NOT Soumya, Kaes, Liton...

Before you ask calm down, ask yourself how much you know about Test batting.

reyme
August 20, 2017, 02:28 AM
Faruk is just trying to score some brownie points here, he's just angry that he isn't the chief selector anymore. Therefore his opinions should be ignored completely.

Faruk is 100% right. The current selectors dont do anything. They are just pocketing salary without any work.

reyme
August 20, 2017, 02:30 AM
Mominul is walking wicket against quality off spin. Remember, he struggled against the great Dilruwan parera. Lyon will have him for dessert. A good decision by the coach.

A stupid decision by this useless coach and he needs to go.

godzilla
August 20, 2017, 02:35 AM
If you want to drop Mominul, fine. But alteast give a proper justification on Sabbir's inclusion in the team? If you can't then Mominul should not be dropped. Seriously.

reyme
August 20, 2017, 02:38 AM
Calm down people. He is still the coach who got us so much success.

Dont forget, Mominul has not been in greatest form!

Coach knows his players - and the ausies really well. Have some faith!

Mominul is still ahead of most of the batsmen in the lineup even he is out of form.
The coach simply got lucky in most cases of our success. Most our success are due to Mashrafe's captaincy and better form of our players.

His decision on bringing the new coaching staff simply backfired. He brought is his buddy batting and spin bowling coach that did NOT work out! Our pace dept attack gone down the drain ever since our previous bowling coach left thanks to the head coach. I dont see any major improvement in batting, what we saw under Siddons. Now his biased and one man show is hurting this team over and over.

Yankees
August 20, 2017, 03:18 AM
Reyme is like a desi facebook comment feed that's come to life :lol::lol::floor::floor:

Yankees
August 20, 2017, 03:19 AM
Mominul is still ahead of most of the batsmen in the lineup even he is out of form.
The coach simply got lucky in most cases of our success. Most our success are due to Mashrafe's captaincy and better form of our players.

His decision on bringing the new coaching staff simply backfired. He brought is his buddy batting and spin bowling coach that did NOT work out! Our pace dept attack gone down the drain ever since our previous bowling coach left thanks to the head coach. I dont see any major improvement in batting, what we saw under Siddons. Now his biased and one man show is hurting this team over and over.

This is hilarious :floor:

jeesh
August 20, 2017, 04:12 AM
Reyme has found his voice again.

Bro i agree with you on the fact Mominul should be playing instead of Sarkar. But your speculation and constant tirade against the coach is getting old.

Hawk-Eye
August 20, 2017, 07:10 AM
দলে ফিরলেন মুমিনুল

প্রথম টেস্টের দল থেকে মুমিনুল হকের বাদ পড়া অনেক আলোচনা-সমালোচনা জন্ম দিয়েছিল। ঠিক এমন অবস্থায় আবারও দলে ফিরলেন মুমিনুল। মোসাদ্দেক হোসেনের চোটে দলে ঢুকে পড়েছেন মুমিনুল।

Source (http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1296446/%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%AB%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A 6%A8-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%81%E0%A6%B2)

MarufH
August 20, 2017, 08:58 AM
If someone needs to be dropped from this contingent then it has to be the biased head coach

his biased attitude and stubbornness has gone just too far....

he just gifted away the 1st test to his homeland Australia....

bring in a new coach, Ganguly would be a good choice

Psssttt.... he is worth 40 million USD (Forbes). Good luck with getting dada. :D

mufi_02
August 20, 2017, 09:50 AM
Everything was correct there but the bolded one :down:

Seriously mate you are replacing dynamite with an atomic bomb in terms of biased and arrogant cricket coaches out there. If Ganguly is the coach, then Soumya and Litton would never get relegated. Forget about Mominul, even Mustafizur would have to fight for place with Shuvashis and Hom would come in place of Shakib then. I guarantee :lol:

Wth. Stop bringing religion into this. SS and Litton are on the team coz of their merit.

Disgusting post.

SH Anik
August 20, 2017, 10:05 AM
Wth. Stop bringing religion into this. SS and Litton are on the team coz of their merit.

Disgusting post.

You misunderstood my post. I didn't hurt anyone's faith here. I just took pun at some of the over used cricketers despite of them being out of form.
It's not my fault that coincidently all of them are of certain faith. I don't even care actually about their personal life! Just play good cricket, that's it. I don't know why some BC members marginalizing fellow cricketers based on certain identity. That's should not be the issue here.

P.S - I deleted the post.. :facepalm:

SH Anik
August 20, 2017, 10:12 AM
Special treatment with certain pool of cricketers every time. The trend is eminent since late 2014 with the arrival of Soumya..

Bangladesh: Double Standards hurts Mominulhttp://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/styles/big_2/public/news/images/mominul_1.jpg?itok=9ojl8_-f

Mominul Haque and Soumya Sarkar are both talented players. The national selectors and the head coach will not disagree with that assessment. However, it may sound harsh that they are not being treated the same by the team think-tank when it comes to selecting the national team; you may even raise the question that in this regard there is a double standard. The last few days' speculation turned into reality yesterday when the selectors, including coach Chandika Hathurusingha, announced a 14-member team for the first Test against Australia without Mominul. Mominul's omission was the centre of argument during the lengthy press conference and the explanations from chief selector Minhajul Abedin and Hathurusingha only served to provide further evidence that the diminutive left-hander has not been treated fairly at all..


http://www.thedailystar.net/sports/bangladesh-cricket/mominul-haque-soumya-sarkar-double-standards-hurt-1451257

Yankees
August 20, 2017, 06:13 PM
Psssttt.... he is worth 40 million USD (Forbes). Good luck with getting dada. :D

Is he? What's Shakib's networth? Surely beats Ganguly.

Yankees
August 20, 2017, 06:19 PM
You misunderstood my post. I didn't hurt anyone's faith here. I just took pun at some of the over used cricketers despite of them being out of form.
It's not my fault that coincidently all of them are of certain faith. I don't even care actually about their personal life! Just play good cricket, that's it. I don't know why some BC members marginalizing fellow cricketers based on certain identity. That's should not be the issue here.

P.S - I deleted the post.. :facepalm:

This is irony and stupidity all rolled into one. You are literally the only guy that's always bringing up faith. You are pathetic.

kalpurush
August 20, 2017, 06:38 PM
Reyme is like a desi facebook comment feed that's come to life :lol::lol::floor::floor:

This is hilarious :floor:

Unable to provide any valid arguments?

I understand that! ;)

kalpurush
August 20, 2017, 06:42 PM
দলে ফিরলেন মুমিনুল

প্রথম টেস্টের দল থেকে মুমিনুল হকের বাদ পড়া অনেক আলোচনা-সমালোচনা জন্ম দিয়েছিল। ঠিক এমন অবস্থায় আবারও দলে ফিরলেন মুমিনুল। মোসাদ্দেক হোসেনের চোটে দলে ঢুকে পড়েছেন মুমিনুল।

Source (http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1296446/%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87-%E0%A6%AB%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A 6%A8-%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%81%E0%A6%B2)

Faruk is just trying to score some brownie points here, he's just angry that he isn't the chief selector anymore. Therefore his opinions should be ignored completely.

Good decision. Mominul deserved it.

Mominul is walking wicket against quality off spin. Remember, he struggled against the great Dilruwan parera. Lyon will have him for dessert. A good decision by the coach.
Now what??



:):lol::floor:

Yankees
August 20, 2017, 06:45 PM
Now what??



:):lol::floor:

He's still not playing in the XI. The only time golden boy is going on the field is to give players water.

Habib
August 20, 2017, 11:14 PM
This will be awkward as hell for Mominul. Even he gets to play in the XI, he will most likely fail due to all that drama surrounding him. Not a good environment for him or the team, I have to say.

DinRaat.
August 20, 2017, 11:22 PM
Eclipse 2.0?

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 12:04 AM
Our cricket is a joke. No point in having a selection committee. Just let the media choose the team.

Zeeshan
August 21, 2017, 12:28 AM
muminul to bete... bete der oneke dekte pare na...


















as in literally :-|

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 01:19 AM
Mominul is by far the best Test batsman and its a fact. You could not ignore Sachin in Team India's Test team even if had scored 10 ducks in a row, you cant simply drop him.

This kind of comparisons and premature hypes often does more harm than good to a budding cricketer, he is too young and untested to be called BD's best batsman.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 01:29 AM
Is he? What's Shakib's networth? Surely beats Ganguly.

Not sure if Dada beats Shakib but he is pretty damn rich for a retired cricketer. President of CAB, member of BCCI selection panel, commentary, advertisements, endorsements, TV, media, hotel business etc etc.

DinRaat.
August 21, 2017, 01:50 AM
Is Shakib`s net worth really 30 million, I think it is really over exaggerated. Can someone point out some credible sources where he earns 30 million. Even with all the CPL and IPL contracts, I highly doubt he even earns that much. And by credible source please don`t suggest crictracker.

:facepalm:

jeesh
August 21, 2017, 02:44 AM
This kind of comparisons and premature hypes often does more harm than good to a budding cricketer, he is too young and untested to be called BD's best batsman.
Very true.

I dont think Reyme means it though. He just needs something to go after Hathurusingha.

R0ssei
August 21, 2017, 09:05 AM
BD's best batsman is Tamim, period.

Mominul has perhaps the highest potential to be the most reliable test batsman of BD. If he doesn't perform in 1 or 2 series, he shouldn't be dropped right away. He gets the minimum Int'l exposure as he doesn't play LOI for us and BAN don't get to play that many test matches either. But he should bat at No. 4 IMHO.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 09:51 AM
Not sure if Dada beats Shakib but he is pretty damn rich for a retired cricketer. President of CAB, member of BCCI selection panel, commentary, advertisements, endorsements, TV, media, hotel business etc etc.

If you think about it, part of the reason Ganguly still pulls in so many endorsement deals is because 100 million west bengalis don't have another bengali star to root for. Which can lead to conflict of interest in Ganguly's role as President of CAB :lol::lol:

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 10:52 AM
If you think about it, part of the reason Ganguly still pulls in so many endorsement deals is because 100 million west bengalis don't have another bengali star to root for. Which can lead to conflict of interest in Ganguly's role as President of CAB :lol::lol:

Yes, you are mostly right, when it comes to cricket Dada is the idol we look up to, with a billion population and over two dozen cricket playing provinces competing with each other it is not easy to dawn the blue, he made us proud by captaining our team and is a legend of the game. Kinda like how BD, a country of 200 million, has produced only one world class star-Shakib. :)

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 05:32 PM
Yes, you are mostly right, when it comes to cricket Dada is the idol we look up to, with a billion population and over two dozen cricket playing provinces competing with each other it is not easy to dawn the blue, he made us proud by captaining our team and is a legend of the game. Kinda like how BD, a country of 200 million, has produced only one world class star-Shakib. :)

My point wasn't to make fun of West B. It was a joke about how Ganguly is incentivized not to do his CAB President role well. Unearthing the next West Bengali star will diminish his own.

And you're right, Shakib is our one truly world class player for now. Maybe Soumya and Fizz will join him. Unlike you lots, who have all those punjabis and pathans to represent you, we have to live and die with our bangla boys.

And we are 160 million. Even Pakistan isn't 200 Million. Might get there in the next census though.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 06:45 PM
My point wasn't to make fun of West B. It was a joke about how Ganguly is incentivized not to do his CAB President role well. Unearthing the next West Bengali star will diminish his own.

And you're right, Shakib is our one truly world class player for now. Maybe Soumya and Fizz will join him. Unlike you lots, who have all those punjabis and pathans to represent you, we have to live and die with our bangla boys.

And we are 160 million. Even Pakistan isn't 200 Million. Might get there in the next census though.

I should have phrased my reply in a different way, I did not mean to make fun either, we Bengalis are not exactly known for our athleticism and sporting prowess, although we did make exceptions time to time. Kolkata used to be the soccer heartland of India, we had a formidable soccer team till 80's and Indian Bengalis used to lead the pack, Chuni Goswami, Shailen Manna, P.K Bannerjee to name a few, emergence of cricket impacted our soccer culture in a negative way. We did produce some fantastic Table Tennis players, Poulomi Ghotok, Mouma Das are highly accomplished. Rinki Pramanik another fabulous track athlete who won gold in Asian games which is a real big deal, then there is Jhulan Goswami one of the best bowlers in women's cricket, Dola Bannerjee in Archery, with the inspirational performance in the last Olympic our Produnova girl Dipa Karmakar has become a household name. Leander Paes the biggest tennis star from South Asia is a Bengali too and a direct descendant of Michael Madhusudan Dutta. There are many more I can't recollect all the names now.

I don't want to start a di$k measuring contest but I think many Bangladeshis harbor some misconceptions about Indian Bengalis that need to be corrected. If you put your biases aside you will find out Indian Bengalis actually achieved way more than Bangladeshis in sports. You started to shine in cricket only recently while in soccer it is almost even, but in other sports and athletics there is literally no comparisons, we have won medals in Olympics, Asian games, SAF games everywhere, not sure how many Bangladeshis achieved that.

We are not 100 million BTW, 80-85 million max.

mufi_02
August 21, 2017, 07:10 PM
^disagree that Indian Bengalis achieved more than Bangladeshis in sport.

Maybe you don't know many of the same sports people from BD. I will leave cricket for obvious reasons but we had many accomplished football players. Dhaka football and clubs are on par with Kolkata football. Aslam, Munna, Alfaz, Sabbir, Chunnu, Salahuddin, Kaiser Hamid were tremendous football players. Even Kolkata clubs acknowledge their accomplishments.

On chess, rani hamid holds Guinness world records. We have few other grandmasters such as Niyaz and others. On shooting, Asif Ahmed won commonwealth medals. On golf, siddikur won some major tour and recently became third on a German tour. There's a guy who plays football on MLS.

There are more and these are just top of my head.

Indians in general as a nation has achieved more of course. But between the two bengals, I think Bangladesh is more prominent.

I mean brozen das was the first person to freaking cross the English Channel. Very few can beat that.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 07:33 PM
^Brojen Das crossed not just once, but a bunch of times and even held the record for the fastest swim. Absolute legend.

I think it's unfair to say West Bengalis achieved more. They get to benefit from the resources of all of India. Most of our short history was focused more on surviving a genocide and the ensuing famine. In a way, our best athletes were the freedom fighters of 71. You have gold in archery, we have sonar bangla through shooting. :lol:

Corniness aside, as our resources and infrastructure gets better, you will see a lot more athletes emerging from BD. If you want proof of what Bangladeshis can do with better opportunities, look up all the Brit Bangladeshi atheletes:

1) Ali Jacko - former World Kickboxing champ
2) Ruqsana Begum - current World muay thai boxing champ
3) Hamza Chowdhury - plays for champion side Leicester City (half Black but still counts)
4) Shamit Shome - 19 year old MLS player (Canadian Bangladeshi)

I'm sure there's more but I love boxing and soccer so these are the names I know.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 07:34 PM
^disagree that Indian Bengalis achieved more than Bangladeshis in sport.

Maybe you don't know many of the same sports people from BD. I will leave cricket for obvious reasons but we had many accomplished football players. Dhaka football and clubs are on par with Kolkata football. Aslam, Munna, Alfaz, Sabbir, Chunnu, Salahuddin, Kaiser Hamid were tremendous football players. Even Kolkata clubs acknowledge their accomplishments.

On chess, rani hamid holds Guinness world records. We have few other grandmasters such as Niyaz and others. On shooting, Asif Ahmed won commonwealth medals. On golf, siddikur won some major tour and recently became third on a German tour. There's a guy who plays football on MLS.

There are more and these are just top of my head.

Indians in general as a nation has achieved more of course. But between the two bengals, I think Bangladesh is more prominent.

I mean brozen das was the first person to freaking cross the English Channel. Very few can beat that.

How many medals in Olympics, Asian games, commonwealth and SAF games ? I am sure we are way ahead there, lets not go into Gunness and English channels, both nations have plenty of them, heard of Masud ur Rahman Baidya? World's first physically handicapped swimmer to swim across the Strait of Gibraltar, as I said we can't come to a conclusion until we compare the medal tally from world sporting events. India used to be a major soccer force in Asia till 80's after that we have gone down drastically, the soccer players I named they are absolute legends, there was a time when we used to beat Japan, Korea and China for fun, still East Bengal and Mohun Bagan remains the oldest and most significant soccer clubs in South Asia. But there is a recent resurgence in soccer after we started our own pro soccer league, I am hoping for the best I believe we will be able to reclaim our lost glory someday.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 07:37 PM
With all that said, I always root for a West Bengali athlete if I see one. And hope to see more coming through, even if they represent India. Won't let arguing in a message board lead me to root against my own ethnicity.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 07:48 PM
With all that said, I always root for a West Bengali athlete if I see one. And hope to see more coming through, even if they represent India. Won't let arguing in a message board lead me to root against my own ethnicity.

I do the same I swear when they are not playing against my country. Not only sports in every field. I am proud of Humayun Ahmed as much as I am of Sarat Chandra or Manik Bondopdhhay, Artcell and Warfez are my fav Bangla band and of course padma r ilish jare shudhu chobi tei dekh te pai :-|

Now please don't make me feel like a villain :D

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 07:55 PM
But there is a recent resurgence in soccer after we started our own pro soccer league, I am hoping for the best I believe we will be able to reclaim our lost glory someday.

You are dreaming if you think ISL will help in anyway. Besides, some of the richest footballers are playing for clubs in China. Tevez makes more than Ronaldo and Messi and he plays for some Chinese team. It's China that will emerge as the new Asian soccer team.

Face it, cricket was the worst thing to happen to India (and Bangladesh) as far as athletics go. Like a virus that killed everything else. Even 20 years from now, we will be left playing (and abusing) over a once British elite sport that even England no longer cares about.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 08:06 PM
You are dreaming if you think ISL will help in anyway. Besides, some of the richest footballers are playing for clubs in China. Tevez makes more than Ronaldo and Messi and he plays for some Chinese team. It's China that will emerge as the new Asian soccer team.


China is quite ahead of us due to better infrastructure and economy, but sports does not have to be anyone's monopoly, we don't necessarily have to start competing with China, one step at a time, we already started reaping the benefits of ISL, after a long long time we managed to rank among top 100, China can become Asian Brazil for all we care we need to become a competitive team first especially against countries that are ranked above us, we are albeit slowly but surely going towards the right direction.

DinRaat.
August 21, 2017, 08:08 PM
You are dreaming if you think ISL will help in anyway. Besides, some of the richest footballers are playing for clubs in China. Tevez makes more than Ronaldo and Messi and he plays for some Chinese team. It's China that will emerge as the new Asian soccer team.

Face it, cricket was the worst thing to happen to India (and Bangladesh) as far as athletics go. Like a virus that killed everything else. Even 20 years from now, we will be left playing (and abusing) over a once British elite sport that even England no longer cares about.

In 20 Years, I hope Australia at least can go to the Semi Finals of a FIFA WORLD CUP, or we just win the damn thing.

Australia is the Bangladesh of Football.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 08:12 PM
China is quite ahead of us due to better infrastructure and economy, but sports does not have to be anyone's monopoly, we don't necessarily have to start competing with China, one step at a time, we already started reaping the benefits of ISL, after a long long time we managed to rank among top 100, China can become Asian Brazil for all we care we need to become a competitive team first especially against countries that are ranked above us, we are albeit slowly but surely going towards the right direction.

The problem is that ISL doesn't help in that manner. Correct me if I'm wrong, but ISL clubs don't actually investing in scouting players, or have a youth team. They are the same as IPL, piggybacking on the domestic structure. For IPL it's ok since the dom. structure is so good. But all ISL does is give existing players more money, and foreign players easy money. Oh and give the business and bollywood elites more chances to boost their egos.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 08:18 PM
In 20 Years, I hope Australia at least can go to the Semi Finals of a FIFA WORLD CUP, or we just win the damn thing.

Australia is the Bangladesh of Football.

Looks like we've got a forum full of dreamers :lol::lol:

Australia is fast improving, and I love that they took the initiative and moved to AFC. They can be a top Asian team, especially as Japan will drop in the near future. But semi-finals is really hard.

Besides its going to be USA winning it all in 20 years :D

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 08:22 PM
Face it, cricket was the worst thing to happen to India (and Bangladesh) as far as athletics go. Like a virus that killed everything else. Even 20 years from now, we will be left playing (and abusing) over a once British elite sport that even England no longer cares about.

They no longer care don't mean we should stop caring too, why do we have to ape them? Cricket has already become a brown man's game and I see nothing wrong in that. About other sports I think the resurgence has already started in India, Vijender Singh is as famous as Kohli this days, Olympic performers have already become household names, Women's cricket getting a lot of attention and publicity, we are doing reasonably well in Soccer atm, Hockey is slowly recovering, Kabaddi again due to the pro league is now popular as ever, plenty of fresh young talents are there in tennis, Badminton stars like Saina and Sindhu are more famous than most Bollywood stars, big media houses giving a lot of importance to non cricketing games, sponsors are willing to invest more on individual athletes, and I have personally never seen this kind of craze and media coverage as the recent Olympic games it literally dwarfed the WC 2015, I see good times ahead.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 08:32 PM
The problem is that ISL doesn't help in that manner. Correct me if I'm wrong, but ISL clubs don't actually investing in scouting players, or have a youth team. They are the same as IPL, piggybacking on the domestic structure. For IPL it's ok since the dom. structure is so good. But all ISL does is give existing players more money, and foreign players easy money. Oh and give the business and bollywood elites more chances to boost their egos.

ISL is still in its infancy, but it played a big role in the recent resurgence of soccer, the reason soccer fell behind cricket is because public lost interest, every single match is houseful, soccer is slowly regaining its fanbase, it literally became a festival in Kerala and North east where cricket never gained much foothold, our soccer was crawling gasping for Oxygen now that it got some you can't expect it to start jumping up and down from the word go, we need to take baby steps at a time, the first and foremost priority of ISL was to revive the soccer craze and it exceeded the expectation, I am sure now other aspects will be taken care of too.

mufi_02
August 21, 2017, 08:46 PM
How many medals in Olympics, Asian games, commonwealth and SAF games ? I am sure we are way ahead there, lets not go into Gunness and English channels, both nations have plenty of them, heard of Masud ur Rahman Baidya? World's first physically handicapped swimmer to swim across the Strait of Gibraltar, as I said we can't come to a conclusion until we compare the medal tally from world sporting events. India use to be a major soccer force in Asia till 80's after that we have gone down drastically, the soccer players I named they are absolute legends, there was a time when we used to beat Japan, Korea and China for fun, still East Bengal and Mohun Bagan remains the oldest and most significant soccer clubs in South Asia.

As I said, India of course has the upper hand in all intl competitions. BD is not even close. My comparison was only between two bengals.

That being said, india/bd/pak are heavily underepresented in sports considering the huge population. For a region of 1.5bn plus people, there are very few global stars or Olympic medals.

So we have nothing to brag here :D

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 08:58 PM
As I said, India of course has the upper hand in all intl competitions. BD is not even close. My comparison was only between two bengals.

Mufi da I wasn't talking about India I was specific about Indian Bengalis. All the names I mentioned are bengalis from India. I did not mean to spread any negativity or belittle BD. I have seen quite a few times in this forum that people making snide remark about us ( Indian Bengalis) as if we are some kind of bottom feeding under achievers. I just wanted to correct some popular misconceptions is all.

That being said, india/bd/pak are heavily underepresented in sports considering the huge population. For a region of 1.5bn plus people, there are very few global stars or Olympic medals.

So we have nothing to brag here :D

Agreed

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 09:10 PM
ISL is still in its infancy, but it played a big role in the recent resurgence of soccer, the reason soccer fell behind cricket is because public lost interest, every single match is houseful, soccer is slowly regaining its fanbase, it literally became a festival in Kerala and North east where cricket never gained much foothold, our soccer was crawling gasping of Oxygen now that it got some you can't expect it to start jumping up and down from the word go, we need to take baby steps at a time, the first and foremost priority of ISL was to revive the soccer craze and it exceeded the expectation, I am sure now other aspects will be taken care of too.

Here's some free advice. If you want India to get better, invest in the North East. They tend to be more athletic than the rest of South Asians and have no interest in cricket.

Even in Bangladesh, if you see our national team for men and women, its peppered with players from Chittagong Hill Tracts, who are ethnically closer to the North East. Not bad for a group that makes up 1% of the country.

mufi_02
August 21, 2017, 09:12 PM
Mufi da I wasn't talking about India I was specific about Indian Bengalis. All the names I mentioned are bengalis from India. I did not mean to spread any negativity or belittle BD. I have seen quite a few times in this forum that people making snide remark about us ( Indian Bengalis) as if we are some kind of bottom feeding under achievers. I just wanted to correct some popular misconceptions is all.



It's a Bdeshi forum and thus of course we are biased and critical of others. I don't think we mean anything offensive. The two bengals have a tricky relationship. It's like conjoined twins that were ripped apart based on religion. I still think WB and BD still have closer cultural ties than let's say the two punjabs or the tamil nadu and SL Tamils.

reyme
August 21, 2017, 09:14 PM
Great observation from Ashraful. A must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia62sBRe2gw

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 09:54 PM
Here's some free advice. If you want India to get better, invest in the North East. They tend to be more athletic than the rest of South Asians and have no interest in cricket.

Even in Bangladesh, if you see our national team for men and women, its peppered with players from Chittagong Hill Tracts, who are ethnically closer to the North East. Not bad for a group that makes up 1% of the country.

You are partially correct. North eastern people, Gurkhas and pahari people from Uttarakhand are quite agile and athletic, but when it comes to sheer performance and medal tally haryanvis are the best in subcontinent, especially in boxing and wrestling no one even remotely come close to them. We have quite a few jatts in our college, this guys are so naturally well built, tall and strong with little to no exposure to gym. I have been pumping iron since I was 17 and I am near 200 pounds and have a very decent physique yet was almost humiliated by them during a kabaddi match. The major reason why we south asians suck at sports is not because we are physically weak or something like that, we have such a huge resource pool I am sure we can find many athletes who could give others a run for their money, the problem is our middle class parents, an overwhelming majority of parents still think that sports are a waste of time unless it's cricket, hard fact.

DinRaat.
August 21, 2017, 09:59 PM
Looks like we've got a forum full of dreamers :lol::lol:

Australia is fast improving, and I love that they took the initiative and moved to AFC. They can be a top Asian team, especially as Japan will drop in the near future. But semi-finals is really hard.

Besides its going to be USA winning it all in 20 years :D

We won the Asian Cup. Australia have a history of sporting dominance.

Keep dreaming Australia will win the World cup in 10-20 years.

DinRaat.
August 21, 2017, 10:00 PM
If Ghana can make it to the quarter finals then we surely can.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 10:08 PM
I am near 200 pounds and have a very decent physique yet was almost humiliated by them during a kabaddi match.

How tall are you?

Olympics success, particularly individual events, comes down to money and having a large enough pool of players. It's not a coincidence that the two most successful nations US and China are also the two richest and 2/3 most populated.

Zeeshan
August 21, 2017, 10:08 PM
Great observation from Ashraful. A must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia62sBRe2gw

Thank you so much reyme for the video. Ashraful is on fire with his analytical mind. This guy was the real deal in terms of prodigy and cricket acumen.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 10:10 PM
We won the Asian Cup. Australia have a history of sporting dominance.

Keep dreaming Australia will win the World cup in 10-20 years.

Best of luck but I'm not holding my breath. Isn't soccer 3rd most popular behind cricket and auzzie football?

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 10:15 PM
How tall are you?

5'11 and 84.6 kilos to be exact.

Olympics success, particularly individual events, comes down to money and having a large enough pool of players. It's not a coincidence that the two most successful nations US and China are also the two richest and 2/3 most populated.

Agreed completely, that's what I have been trying to tell you that we can't outspend China or any developed country for that matter, they are way ahead, all we could do is to be steady and keep moving towards the right direction.

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 10:30 PM
5'11 and 84.6 kilos to be exact.

That's pretty good bro. You lift?

I'm much shorter than you, but I recently dropped a lot of weight. Looking to drop a little bit more and then bulk up, but pretty happy with where I am as of now.

Roy_1
August 21, 2017, 10:53 PM
That's pretty good bro. You lift?

Pretty much bro, though doing more and more cardio of late, its quite tough for me to follow any strict fitness regimen, been staying away from home for quite some time, the last time I tried bulking up I got overweight by almost 25 pounds, the problem with me is I drink beer a lot so have to put more efforts to burn out the extra calories, just trying to follow a healthy diet routine and keeping things simple as of now. Will try bulking up again once I get back home.

I'm much shorter than you, but I recently dropped a lot of weight. Looking to drop a little bit more and then bulk up, but pretty happy with where I am as of now.

This, if you are comfortable with your shape and body structure nothing else matters anymore.

Don't think too much about height man, hardly matters, you're a yank man, probably 10 times richer than me, quoting Nathan from Misfits "Where the money goes, the pu**y follows" :D

Yankees
August 21, 2017, 11:21 PM
Pretty much bro, though doing more and more cardio of late, its quite tough for me to follow any strict fitness regimen, been staying away from home for quite some time, the last time I tried bulking up I got overweight by almost 25 pounds, the problem with me is I am drink beer a lot so have to put more efforts to burn out the extra calories, just trying to follow a healthy diet routine and keeping things simple as of now. Will try bulking up again once I get back home.

The booze will always get you. I started going on a diet last year. But I completely stopped drinking 6 months ago and it made all the difference. Dropped 35 pounds in 4 months. And I really don't miss drinking. Might never even drink again. What I do miss are sweets and rice :lol::lol:

But if you can get away with it, stay relatively decent shape, then do whatever you want. Too many people focus too much on a certain weight or have a specific BMI. It's not like girls will suddenly fall for you because your bicep is half an inch bigger. Life's too short to starve yourself of the good things.

Night_wolf
August 22, 2017, 12:13 AM
what happened to মুমিনুল কেন দলে নেই!?

may be open a new thread and take this to forget cricket?

Yankees
August 22, 2017, 02:23 AM
what happened to মুমিনুল কেন দলে নেই!?

may be open a new thread and take this to forget cricket?

This is Banglacricket. When does any thread ever stay on topic??? :lol:

Shingara
August 22, 2017, 02:49 AM
what happened to মুমিনুল কেন দলে নেই!?

may be open a new thread and take this to forget cricket?

Amio tai vabtesilam. Eto azaira pechal keno mominul er threadey

R0ssei
August 22, 2017, 06:55 AM
Q: "Mominul keno dol e nei?"

A; Coz India Olympic e Gold pay na

bujhee kom
August 22, 2017, 10:45 AM
Mumin-ke pawa jacchey naa...Mumin tumi bari firey esho...tomar chintai BC-bashi shojjashai.

Zeeshan
August 22, 2017, 10:52 AM
mumin abar kichu kore boshe na to amar to abar shei bhoii hoche.... tarpor bechara rode sharadin khali paye rastay rastay ghure berache... shadarghat (shodorghat?) er jayga to bhalo na...fencidil er akhra ekta

bujhee kom
August 22, 2017, 11:04 AM
Insh Allah, Mumin-er khida peley, O Shadarghat thekey abar bari firey ashbey.

Roy_1
August 22, 2017, 11:36 AM
One thing led to another and.....

Anyways I have my fair share in derailing this thread, sorry about that, gentlemen please continue

Zeeshan
August 23, 2017, 09:27 AM
Great observation from Ashraful. A must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia62sBRe2gw

Thank you so much reyme for the video. Ashraful is on fire with his analytical mind. This guy was the real deal in terms of prodigy and cricket acumen.

Going back to topic, that guy from Kaler Kantha was pretty piss'd that Mominul didn't get any chance huh? Lol

Btw, I love (and a bit concerned) how both of the interviewees were so confident and positive. Concerned about being too optimistic, but relieved to know that they understand all the details of cricket politics. I mean they are surely under no pretense to be airy fairy.

All the best Australia...

bujhee kom
August 23, 2017, 10:50 AM
So, is Mumin in or not?
What is the final answer?

kalpurush
August 23, 2017, 11:05 AM
So, is Mumin in or not?
What is the final answer?

Final answer: Momin is in the 14 men squad ...but not sure if he would be in the playing 11!?

Mridul
August 23, 2017, 11:31 AM
In his last 13 dismissals in Test matches. He got out to an Off Spin bowler 9 times and his average on those 9 innings was 23.1%

aklemalp
August 23, 2017, 11:47 AM
In his last 13 dismissals in Test matches. He got out to an Off Spin bowler 9 times and his average on those 9 innings was 23.1%

Nathan Lyon will love this:clap:

kalpurush
August 23, 2017, 12:23 PM
Great observation from Ashraful. A must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia62sBRe2gw

Ash and Numan - both are good cricket critique and showed some valid reasons who Haturu is wrong while leaving Mominul out...


I don't even want to talk about our two selectors...both are wonderful human being but lacks in regards to be sectors ...IMHO.

Thanks much reyme for sharing the video. :up:

Eclipse
August 23, 2017, 12:30 PM
In his last 13 dismissals in Test matches. He got out to an Off Spin bowler 9 times and his average on those 9 innings was 23.1%

If only our dumb journalists knew this.

Eclipse
August 23, 2017, 12:31 PM
Especially that utpol shuvro guy. I've my doubts about his cricketing acumen.

Eclipse
August 23, 2017, 12:44 PM
Ash and Numan - both are good cricket critique and showed some valid reasons who Haturu is wrong while leaving Mominul out...


I don't even want to talk about our two selectors...both are wonderful human being but lacks in regards to be sectors ...IMHO.

Thanks much reyme for sharing the video. :up:

Kalpurush bhai, I myself is a big fan of ash because of his in depth post match analysis. But sadly he's wrong this time around.

Even though I don't agree with u about mominul's inclusion but u r right about the fact that our current selectors don't deserve their current job.

They r extremely "DORPOOK" and always ready to bend over in front of media pressure.

kalpurush
August 23, 2017, 01:21 PM
In his last 13 dismissals in Test matches. He got out to an Off Spin bowler 9 times and his average on those 9 innings was 23.1%

What is his total average!?

Aussies have a fantastic pace bowling attack where Momin shines... ;)

aklemalp
August 23, 2017, 01:26 PM
What is his total average!?

Aussies have a fantastic pace bowling attack where Momin shines... ;)

You saying that and all I envision is the 'Dhal Bhat' shot through backward-point :lol:

kalpurush
August 23, 2017, 02:23 PM
You saying that and all I envision is the 'Dhal Bhat' shot through backward-point :lol:

aklemalp, the smart and the witty ... :up:

kalpurush
August 24, 2017, 03:55 PM
Here is Nannu explaining his role ...

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Eshen
August 25, 2017, 09:57 PM
Great observation from Ashraful. A must watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia62sBRe2gwAgree with both Ash and the reporter here. Hathuru is messing up the team combination to accommodate Soumya. At home, Tamim-Imrul-Momin is the best ever top order combination we have.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;home_or_away=1;spanmax1=26+Aug+ 2017;spanmin1=26+Aug+2014;spanval1=span;team=25;te mplate=results;type=batting

Also, it's a baloney that they called Momin as the replacement for Mosaddek. If Hathuru is that determined not to field Momin, Riyad should have been the replacement.

Yankees
August 26, 2017, 11:54 AM
Agree with both Ash and the reporter here. Hathuru is messing up the team combination to accommodate Soumya. At home, Tamim-Imrul-Momin is the best ever top order combination we have.

I agree. Tamim-Imrul-Momin helped us achieve a magnificent number 9 ranking in Test cricket. Why would you want to mess with that? Now we will get overtaken by Zimbabwe. #FireHatura

reyme
August 27, 2017, 03:29 AM
I agree. Tamim-Imrul-Momin helped us achieve a magnificent number 9 ranking in Test cricket. Why would you want to mess with that? Now we will get overtaken by Zimbabwe. #FireHatura

Your sarcastic remarks are just as pathetic as some clueless observers. ZIM has 0 rating points compared to 69+ of BD. Some people score 0 in all aspect in their lives.

reyme
August 27, 2017, 03:31 AM
The booze will always get you. I started going on a diet last year. But I completely stopped drinking 6 months ago and it made all the difference. Dropped 35 pounds in 4 months. And I really don't miss drinking. Might never even drink again. What I do miss are sweets and rice :lol::lol:

But if you can get away with it, stay relatively decent shape, then do whatever you want. Too many people focus too much on a certain weight or have a specific BMI. It's not like girls will suddenly fall for you because your bicep is half an inch bigger. Life's too short to starve yourself of the good things.

Continue to watch your diet bro, you might get diabetes soon...

Yankees
August 27, 2017, 06:35 PM
Your sarcastic remarks are just as pathetic as some clueless observers. ZIM has 0 rating points compared to 69+ of BD. Some people score 0 in all aspect in their lives.

facebook comment feed strikes again :lol:

I think we all know Zim isn't actually going to overtake BD. You can calm down.

Yankees
August 27, 2017, 06:35 PM
Continue to watch your diet bro, you might get diabetes soon...

Thanks, bro. So far all good, thanks to the Almighty.

Rana Melb
August 29, 2017, 08:54 PM
Momin in for next test. The only reason he was not in dhaka test due to face saving of the selectors. Patgetic!!!

kalpurush
September 2, 2017, 12:26 AM
Momin in for next test. The only reason he was not in dhaka test due to face saving of the selectors. Patgetic!!!

He should be in 2nd test if coach and team management wants to have him in the upcoming SA Test series...

ReZ_1
September 2, 2017, 08:26 AM
Whom should we replace for Mominul? Soumya/Imrul who are in their off form and we are expecting an Eid innings sooner than later from anyone of them. :facepalm:

Rifat
September 2, 2017, 09:21 AM
He should be in 2nd test if coach and team management wants to have him in the upcoming SA Test series...

Whom should we replace for Mominul? Soumya/Imrul who are in their off form and we are expecting an Eid innings sooner than later from anyone of them. :facepalm:

For me it's Imrul Kayes. I am a big Imrul fan, but last test he was simply stated, quite Pathetic. at least Soumya took nice catches and scored 15-20 odd runs.