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SportingBD
August 30, 2017, 02:36 PM
The main contenders are Nasir, Sabbir, Imrul and Soumya.

Unlikely contender to be dropped: Shafiul Islam.

So what do you guys think? who should be dropped?

Out of the five options, please select two.

SportingBD
August 30, 2017, 02:41 PM
My two picks: Nasir Hossain and Imrul Kayes.

Nasir hasn't shown anything, didn't add any value to the team.
Imrul Kayes just doesn't have it in him.. nothing special to be honest.

SportingBD
August 30, 2017, 02:42 PM
Can mods change the poll options to multiple choice please?

Forgot to click the multiple choice box..

Thanks

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2017, 02:53 PM
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Out of the five options, please select two.
You can't pick two when only one pick is the rule for the poll.

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2017, 02:54 PM
I don't know who should be dropped but I hope team Management would bring back Mominul and Liton.

May be, Sabbir and Shafiul. We don't need two pacers in these type of wickets.

SportingBD
August 30, 2017, 03:01 PM
You can't pick two when only one pick is the rule for the poll.

Forgot to click the multiple choice option.

I have sent the email to mods to edit the option.

Max100
August 30, 2017, 03:03 PM
soumya can be another pacer, so dropping shafiul and bring another spinner would be good option

Kayes is wasting his spot. he needs to go. I didn't like the way he throw his wicket.

Nasir and sabbir are both brilliant fielder. Nasir can bowl too. he bats to low order and just one match doesn't justify his drop

we have to include mominul and Liton--so kayes and sabbir/soumya need to go

instead of shafiul, may be we can add taskin or keep sabbir

simon
August 30, 2017, 03:09 PM
Sabbir and Imrul
In comes Momin and Liton

Zeeshan
August 30, 2017, 03:16 PM
SS.

not because I 'hate him' or anything lol but because of his own good. He is an asset, and a drop would do much to improve his temperament. Come'on guys, just because of two stellar catches doesn't suddenly get him off the hook.

Kayes has this bad boy image. Remember the 100 he scored in his comeback after being dropped? He has this 'ghaura' attitude of 'dekhaya dimu' that he needs to channel in these kind of batting unfriendly patches.

SportingBD
August 30, 2017, 03:23 PM
Mods - is it possible to change the poll option to multiple?

tiger1000
August 30, 2017, 03:29 PM
Why pick two?

One of Sarkar or imrul needs to make way my picks

Imrul - mominul
Sabbir - Das
Nasir - mossadek
Shafiul - Roy or taskin

Can anyone reasonably tell me that's not a better team

Tamim
Sarkar
Mominul
Mushfiq
Shakib
Mossadek
Das w/k
Mehedi
Taijul
Roy/Taskin
Mustafizur

Yankees
August 30, 2017, 03:52 PM
Why pick two?

One of Sarkar or imrul needs to make way my picks

Imrul - mominul
Sabbir - Das
Nasir - mossadek
Shafiul - Roy or taskin

Can anyone reasonably tell me that's not a better team

Tamim
Sarkar
Mominul
Mushfiq
Shakib
Mossadek Nasir
Das w/k
Mehedi
Taijul
Roy/Taskin
Mustafizur

Moss is still out. Otherwise this is my team as well. I would rather give Nasir another game.

NoName
August 30, 2017, 03:59 PM
Drop Shafiul, SS and Sabbir

Willing to give Imrul another chance but make him open with Mini coming in at 3. Replace Sabbir with Das. Nasir making a comeback I'd give him another chance

roman
August 30, 2017, 04:21 PM
One change. Drop Imrul and bring in Mominul. Sarker and Shabbir are our future. The more exposure they get under Tamim, Shakib and Mushy's guidance the better. Imrul will never be consistent and will always remain below par player. Time to invest on potential future stars and SS and Shabbir are just that.

Maybe bring in Taskin too in place of Shafiul

jabbar
August 30, 2017, 06:14 PM
Aussies are considering going in with lone seamer. www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-consider-three-man-spin-attack-one-paceman-cummins-okeefe-smith-bangladesh-second-test/2017-08-30


Perhaps Bangladesh can do the same and go with just Fizz or Shafiul/Taskin. For the fourth spinner I would choose Jubair (legspin). need to blood new talent and I'm sure hathuri would support that.

Agree that the batting line up needs a fine tune. Imrul doesn't look in form. Keep Nasir and Shabbir. So my choice would be to reinstate Mominul in place of Kayes.

Gowza
August 30, 2017, 06:17 PM
Tamim
Liton
Shanto/mominul
Mominul/shanto
Mushy
Shakib
Sabbir
Mehedi
Taijul
Taskin
fizz

Possibly saifuddin instead of taskin or fizz, adds batting and swings it more.

Maybe put mominul at 3 for now as liton is inexperienced and that way we have more experience in the top 3, shanto can bat 4 (5 if you really want) so he can get experience and eventually swap with mominul for the number 3 spot.

Don't see any point bringing back Rubel or Roy or kamrul, get a younger pacer in, rony a contender but fizz does his role so saifuddin might be better and has more batting prowess.

Could bring in jubair for taijul but taijul did fine last match. Don't want to drop a pacer because you never know if the wicket will need more than one plus whatbofbyouvtake one pacer and they get injured? You've got none then.

Yankees
August 30, 2017, 06:29 PM
Tamim
Liton
Shanto/mominul
Mominul/shanto
Mushy
Shakib
Sabbir
Mehedi
Taijul
Taskin
fizz


Not bad. I would rather open with Shanto and have Liton keep. And also not fair to drop Nasir after just one game, while giving Sabbir yet another chance considering they play the same role. Ergo:

Tamim
Shanto
Mominul
Mushy
Shakib
Mehedi
Liton (wk)
Nasir
Taijul
Taskin
Fizz

imtiaz82
August 30, 2017, 07:08 PM
Only one real change is needed for 2nd test, bringing back Mominul in place of either Soumya or Imrul.

2nd pacer's role is not that important on a spinning track, so they can keep Shafiul just to avoid injury to Taskin prior to the tour of South Africa next month. Shafiul might also be a slightly better batsman than him..

Other than that, Liton can be considered to be drafted in the playing 11 instead of Nasir or Shabbir and have Mushy as a batsman. But don't really see this happening as Mushy loves to keep and making too many changes to winning 11 is not ideal..

5tonne
August 30, 2017, 09:55 PM
Since we are not using the pacers much and most probably it will be the same in Ctg, I am for a pacer who can tear away in short bursts. Yes I am talking about Taskin. Somya can be the new ball bowler just to take the shine away. Mehedy does well with the new ball too. Shafiul is a waste of a place. We should boost the batting instead. Liton should come in as a specialist bat plus keeper which will allow Mushy to bat at 4. Somya and Sabbir should be given one more chance. Momin in place of Imrul is a must. So, my XI for 2nd test would be:

Tamim
Somya
Momin
Mushfiq
Shakib
Liton
Sabbir
Nasir
Mehedy
Taijul
Taskin

Gowza
August 30, 2017, 10:14 PM
Not bad. I would rather open with Shanto and have Liton keep. And also not fair to drop Nasir after just one game, while giving Sabbir yet another chance considering they play the same role. Ergo:

Tamim
Shanto
Mominul
Mushy
Shakib
Mehedi
Liton (wk)
Nasir
Taijul
Taskin
Fizz

Sabbir can be interchanged with soumya, nasir or mosa if fit.

Shanto I don't think should open, he isn't an opener. Liton on the other hand is an opener, he even keeps whilst opening in domestics.

ReZ_1
August 31, 2017, 12:33 AM
Why pick two?

One of Sarkar or imrul needs to make way my picks

Imrul - mominul
Sabbir - Das
Nasir - mossadek
Shafiul - Roy or taskin

Can anyone reasonably tell me that's not a better team

Tamim
Sarkar
Mominul
Mushfiq
Shakib
Mossadek
Das w/k
Mehedi
Taijul
Roy/Taskin
Mustafizur

If the pitch in Chitagong is similar to Dhaka then why would you pick 2 seamers? I would also keep Shabbir ahead of Das. If mushfiq is comfortable with his keeping.

Mustafiz is out of form and have zero expectation from other pacers. Also would like to keep Taskin fit for SA. Considering this Roy is better not becuase of his bowling but he has better defense as a batsmen than any other pacers in the squad..

jabbar
August 31, 2017, 12:56 AM
Since we are not using the pacers much and most probably it will be the same in Ctg, I am for a pacer who can tear away in short bursts. Yes I am talking about Taskin. Somya can be the new ball bowler just to take the shine away. Mehedy does well with the new ball too. Shafiul is a waste of a place. We should boost the batting instead. Liton should come in as a specialist bat plus keeper which will allow Mushy to bat at 4. Somya and Sabbir should be given one more chance. Momin in place of Imrul is a must. So, my XI for 2nd test would be:

Tamim
Somya
Momin
Mushfiq
Shakib
Liton
Sabbir
Nasir
Mehedy
Taijul
Taskin

I second this motion. Great line-up, and batting all the way to no.9 (Mehedi). In fact, I would play Mehedy at No. 8 - we need to groom him as our next Shakib.

Tamim
Somya
Momin
Mushfiq
Shakib
Liton
Sabbir
Mehedy
Nasir
Taijul
Taskin

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 01:13 AM
Not exactly sure why we are so happy with Roy, he's averaged over 55 and not far off 100 with his strike rate, why wouldn't you blood saifuddin or rony instead? Taskin I can understand as keeping him fit is a valid point (though I'm of the opinion that if he's fit then play him - he may just get injured next series anyway...you just don't know so play him while you can).

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 01:15 AM
Main change imo should be bringing in mominul and liton, the other changes are less important imo.

DinRaat.
August 31, 2017, 01:15 AM
Lol, what did IK do, drop Souyma, he is disrupting the position of Imrul Kayes, let Kayes open.

Very odd why fans still want that Ashraful Esque hack in the team.

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 01:17 AM
Drop Shafiul, SS and Sabbir

Willing to give Imrul another chance but make him open with Mini coming in at 3. Replace Sabbir with Das. Nasir making a comeback I'd give him another chance

The main issue for me with nasir was his technique. He's relatively experienced internationally, he should be nearing his prime so it was disheartening to see his technique issues. His temperament though was really good I thought.

BD_TigerZ
August 31, 2017, 01:57 AM
Tamim
Soumya
Imrul
Mominul
Mushy
Shakib
Liton
Saifuddin
Miraz
Taijul
Fizz

Mossa and Taskin come in for Imrul and Taijul for SA series.

adamnsu
August 31, 2017, 02:02 AM
Read somewhere team might be unchanged. Seems like selectors again thinking with their backside if this really is true

SportingBD
August 31, 2017, 02:36 AM
Mods - is it possible to change the poll option to multiple?

The least I would have expected is someone to tell me this is not possible?

After sending the email and posting here to edit. I have got no response.

adamnsu
August 31, 2017, 03:46 AM
I thought there would be 100% for Shafiul

5tonne
August 31, 2017, 09:44 AM
Read somewhere team might be unchanged. Seems like selectors again thinking with their backside if this really is true

Although it was a historical win but we barely won by 20 runs. A lot of improvement is needed. Apart from Tamim and Shakib the whole batting line up was a failure. The pacers couldn't make any impact throughout the game. So, the winning combination theory is invalid here.

tiger1000
August 31, 2017, 10:20 AM
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Don't see any point bringing back Rubel or Roy or kamrul, get a younger pacer in, rony a contender but fizz does his role so saifuddin might be better and has more batting prowess.

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This idea only exists with bd fans and is completely flawed

This a test match, you have to back experience fast bowlers over young ones

Rubel ok, drop him, and with rabbi

But Roy has a strong domestic record and he's got excellent fundamentals, hes big and strong

Young players will risk injury fielding and bowling in test matches

People scoffed at me for saying mustafizur is getting over bowled and will get injured, guess what happened

These young players need developing through shorter formats and a tours, not tests

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 11:22 AM
This idea only exists with bd fans and is completely flawed

This a test match, you have to back experience fast bowlers over young ones

Rubel ok, drop him, and with rabbi

But Roy has a strong domestic record and he's got excellent fundamentals, hes big and strong

Young players will risk injury fielding and bowling in test matches

People scoffed at me for saying mustafizur is getting over bowled and will get injured, guess what happened

These young players need developing through shorter formats and a tours, not tests

Akram 19, younis 18, McGrath 23, walsh 22, Marshall 20, Lillee 22, Hadlee 22, Steyn 21, holding 21.

Currently taskin 22, fizz 21, saifuddin 20, Abu hider 21.

These guys can play, they aren't to young. The problem is there is more focus on gym training, instead of running. Fast bowlers need to play matches and need to do a lot of running for training. Too much focus on gym now and fixation on pace has lead to injuries.

I'm not going to go through them all but:

Steyn FC debut was 2003, test debut 2004.

Marshall FC debut 77/78, test debut 1978.

Hadlee FC debut 71/72, test debut early 1973.

Lillee FC debut 1969/70, test debut early 1971.

Wasim and waqar are similar to the above.

Zeeshan
August 31, 2017, 12:48 PM
People have spoken. With 14 votes and a monolithic lead Shafiul is our villain of the month.

R0ssei
August 31, 2017, 01:55 PM
Couldn't vote for two.

Anyway, my choices are Imrul and Shafiul. And most likely, the team would go with these 2 minimal changes w/o "interrupting the winning combo much".

Mominul in for Imrul, no doubt there.

Although I want more changes to strengthen our batting and become more effective with bowling. If Ctg offers similar spin-friendly pitch, I don't see the importance of 2nd seamer especially when AUS is perhaps the best side to play pace/bounce. For same reason, Taskin, known for his constant short deliveries, wouldn't cut it. Better take another spinner when this is our main attack.

I will keep SS as he has definitely stable hands for slip fielding. When our spinners bowl 80 overs a day, you need someone reliable at slip.

I'm not much inclined to include Liton as he hasn't shown much with his batting. Besides, Mushy was little better at keeping this time. I would rather include a batsman, preferably a youngster (i.e. Shanto, Saif etc.) into the squad.

If Mosa can play, Nasir is out. Sabbir can stay if there is a slot. Fizz can stay as well. I'm still hopeful about him.

Yankees
August 31, 2017, 03:25 PM
This idea only exists with bd fans and is completely flawed

This a test match, you have to back experience fast bowlers over young ones

Rubel ok, drop him, and with rabbi

But Roy has a strong domestic record and he's got excellent fundamentals, hes big and strong

Young players will risk injury fielding and bowling in test matches

People scoffed at me for saying mustafizur is getting over bowled and will get injured, guess what happened

These young players need developing through shorter formats and a tours, not tests

Very good point. Precisely why I dont want Rony. Go with Roy, we know he can atleast play tests.

roman
August 31, 2017, 03:35 PM
Anyone remember Robiul? Mushy made him bowl 53 overs in a test match and now he is nowhere to be seen. Pace bowlers should be handled with care especially in longer formats. Otherwise injury will knock them out

tiger1000
August 31, 2017, 04:05 PM
Akram 19, younis 18, McGrath 23, walsh 22, Marshall 20, Lillee 22, Hadlee 22, Steyn 21, holding 21.

Currently taskin 22, fizz 21, saifuddin 20, Abu hider 21.

These guys can play, they aren't to young. The problem is there is more focus on gym training, instead of running. Fast bowlers need to play matches and need to do a lot of running for training. Too much focus on gym now and fixation on pace has lead to injuries.

I'm not going to go through them all but:

Steyn FC debut was 2003, test debut 2004.

Marshall FC debut 77/78, test debut 1978.

Hadlee FC debut 71/72, test debut early 1973.

Lillee FC debut 1969/70, test debut early 1971.

Wasim and waqar are similar to the above.

Answer me this

How many decades did you cross to find these ATG players?

And it's just not age, Am alright with taskin playing, he's matured physically, others are changing physically every few months, clearly still developing, at such a young age 21 to 22 is a big difference

I won't argue this point, as it's a cultural thing that goes beyond cricket, turn 26 and you're an old man who should be married and have 2 kids already

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 05:41 PM
Answer me this

How many decades did you cross to find these ATG players?

And it's just not age, Am alright with taskin playing, he's matured physically, others are changing physically every few months, clearly still developing, at such a young age 21 to 22 is a big difference

I won't argue this point, as it's a cultural thing that goes beyond cricket, turn 26 and you're an old man who should be married and have 2 kids already

I'm Australian so it's not cultural. Btw 'decades' I picked a few atg's it's not like I went through every pace bowler in history to find the ones I named, I picked them off the top of my head and quickly checked profiles.

it took me just a few minutes to find this amount of atg great pacers who started young, I'm sure there would be plenty more who didn't make the atg status who started younger.

But the fact that there are soo many atg pacers who've started young shows that starting young isn't that big of an issue.

And as I showed a lot of them started playing test cricket very shortly after starting their FC career so there bodies didn't have years of match practice, yet they still managed to have long international careers and ended up as atg's.

These are facts, you can't argue against facts. You can still disagree but I've just provided a bunch of evidence that proves it's possible to start out as a pacer young and have a successful career and it's really not rare otherwise I would not have found so many atg pacers that did this.

Gowza
August 31, 2017, 05:51 PM
Jason Gillespie 21, chaminda vaas 20, imran khan 18/19 (though he then had a few years before his next match but was still only about 23 then and played into his 40s), McDermott 19, srinath 22, Shaun pollock 22, kapil dev 19, ntini 21, streak 19.

Jimmy Anderson 21, Morne morkel 22, ishant sharma 19, southee 20, boult 22, Starc 21, broad 21, rabada 20, Amir 17, Joseph 20, roach 21.

Go back a little further and there's bob Willis 22, back a bit further again and you have trueman 21, and pr B more from earlier eras.

BengaliPagol
September 1, 2017, 07:51 AM
Realistically it would be unfair to drop anyone. Soumya was having a good run in tests this season. Imrul just came back into the team and is batting at a spot he doesn't bat in. Sabbir just also came back into the team. Its Nasir's first test after a long time.

But realistically I do not see Sabbir or Soumya as test players at all. Mosa should replace Sabbir.