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fishyguy
September 4, 2017, 12:16 AM
please explain the obsession with Imrul considering he has never performed consistently and has the lowest average in the team. The selectos want to replace Mominul the highest average with the lowest average. sound about right doesn't it

MHRAM
September 4, 2017, 12:28 AM
Want me to be honest?

His technique looks flashy. The kind of flsshiness you see in world class batsman.

But unlike world class batsman Imrul has a poor technique. His feet movement is not upto the mark and he has one of the worst hand hand eye coordination I have ever seen for an opener.

I would pick Soumya ahead of him. Atleast Soumya can atleast field well
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tanvir_nus
September 4, 2017, 12:32 AM
Someone please reopen the discussion I had with Bengalipagol regarding KaEdge.

Night_wolf
September 4, 2017, 12:49 AM
I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/280734.html?class=1;spanmin1=19+Nov+2014;spanval1= span;template=results;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited

Gowza
September 4, 2017, 01:12 AM
His average over the year or so hasn't been great but he's getting some leeway for having a couple of good years, but yeah check his average over the last 6 or 7 matches and it hasn't been great.

Tausif
September 4, 2017, 01:14 AM
This is all on team management. Kayes was performing well as an opener with Tamim but team management's insistence on Soumya has ****ed up the rhythm. Our top order was fine before with Tamim-Imrul-Mominul and Shakib-Mushy coming after them.

We seriously need to think about the obsession with Soumya and Sabbir. Both of them are not fit for tests and definitely not the long term solution. Need to invest and put more faith in the likes of Mominul, Liton, Mosaddek, and Shanto who seem more test specialists.

shuridh
September 4, 2017, 01:25 AM
This is all on team management. Kayes was performing well as an opener with Tamim but team management's insistence on Soumya has ****ed up the rhythm. Our top order was fine before with Tamim-Imrul-Mominul and Shakib-Mushy coming after them.

We seriously need to think about the obsession with Soumya and Sabbir. Both of them are not fit for tests and definitely not the long term solution. Need to invest and put more faith in the likes of Mominul, Liton, Mosaddek, and Shanto who seem more test specialists.

Kayes should be dropped.
At lest Ss and Sabbir can score 20-30 runs but kayes scored 0,2,4.

Yankees
September 4, 2017, 01:32 AM
I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/280734.html?class=1;spanmin1=19+Nov+2014;spanval1= span;template=results;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited

Those numbers are \deceptive. The numbers are grossly skewed thanks to the Pak series, which was on complete roads, where the intention was to draw from day 1. We won't see those pitches in BD again now that we are a better unit. He did well against India, but everything else is poor.

aklemalp
September 6, 2017, 10:50 AM
Sounds like the name of a cologne/parfume:

Obsession by Imrul Kayes 2.0

bujhee kom
September 6, 2017, 11:01 AM
One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.

aklemalp
September 6, 2017, 11:04 AM
One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.

Wasn't Inzamam somewhat similar in anatomy?

Cricket4All
September 6, 2017, 11:30 AM
Imrul 2.0 should either open the batting with Tamim or not play for the national team at all !

al Furqaan
September 6, 2017, 01:06 PM
not so much an obsession as it is the coach's blatant hatred for Mominul just like Nasir before him.

Mosaddek is next on the baldie's crosshairs. you heard it hear first.

tiger1000
September 6, 2017, 02:42 PM
His average over the year or so hasn't been great but he's getting some leeway for having a couple of good years, but yeah check his average over the last 6 or 7 matches and it hasn't been great.

He's not a number 3

If he doesn't get in as an opener he should not be in the team

al Furqaan
September 6, 2017, 04:01 PM
I am one of the biggest critiques of KaEdge but I have to give him some slack here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/280734.html?class=1;spanmin1=19+Nov+2014;spanval1= span;template=results;type=batting

look at his batting avg for last two and a half years

its 47+ when he is opening and 7 when he is not.

he is a very limited player and I dont expect much from him. he was doing well in opening and you dont tamper with something which was working, specially in a case like this where the player is very limited

But if you dont move Kayes to another slot, it becomes very hard to get rid of a certain batsmen who averages 40+.

Yankees
September 6, 2017, 04:09 PM
One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.

:lol::lol: I had to google Imrul just to be sure, but youre right!

DinRaat.
September 6, 2017, 05:53 PM
not so much an obsession as it is the coach's blatant hatred for Mominul just like Nasir before him.

Mosaddek is next on the baldie's crosshairs. you heard it hear first.

Welcome back.

Gowza
September 6, 2017, 09:13 PM
There is less than one point difference between when imrul opens and when he doesn't, but because he's mostly opened most of his good scores have come as opener. see this is he thing with imrul, we keep making excuses for him, after WC or at the World Cup he suddenly changed so all results before that (bar the good ones) are invalid, now all his results at 3 are invalid because he's an opener. At one stage there was an argument that he might be a good number 3 because he's the new imrul and all of his innings at 3 were previously before his metamorphisis.

Seems to me imrul gets a pass a lot of the time for one reason or another but others don't e.g. Soumya, Sabbir. When you get down to it imrul has his record, he's also much more experienced so he should have a better record than youngsters, he should be performing better currently because he should be utilising his experience. When these guys get a bit older and have a bit more experience and are still inconsistent like imrul then we can give them a hard time, but in the meantime we should cut the youngsters some slack. Outside of mushy, tamim and shakib BD don't and haven't had consistent players. Imrul isn't consistent, riyad isn't consistent so they can't be grouped with mushy, tamim and shakib.

Imrul is not so important to the team that his position should never be questioned. He is playing his 30th test match, he is 30 years old, he's been around international cricket including the test team for almost 9 years.

Soumya and Sabbir for example are much younger, have better averages and actually already have about a third of the test runs that imrul has scored but they've played less than 10 test matches whereas imrul is playing his 30th.

I'm not saying this to put imrul down, I'm saying it because it's unfair to crucify youngsters like Sabbir and Soumya but defend an experienced hand like imrul.

We have a very promising opener in liton das, he has probably the best FC average of all BD players but he's not being given consistent chances, maybe because he's unlikely to come in and average 50 straight away so we are going with imrul the safe option? I don't know... but if you're team has struggled for years to find a consistent opener and here comes along a young guy who year after year keeps his FC average up near 50 (whilst keeping most of those matches mind you) then really I think the strategy has to be properly looked at and management need to really work out what is best for the team because we could be in with 5-7 more years with imrul but similar to his current output or maybe if we take a chance with liton we could find a 40+ averaging opener, but he might struggle for the first 2-3 years (but given age we can get 10-15 years out of him so 2-3 years is not a big sacrifice imo).

BengaliPagol
September 6, 2017, 10:36 PM
we lub u imrul kayes.

Shadow
September 6, 2017, 11:04 PM
There is less than one point difference between when imrul opens and when he doesn't, but because he's mostly opened most of his good scores have come as opener. see this is he thing with imrul, we keep making excuses for him, after WC or at the World Cup he suddenly changed so all results before that (bar the good ones) are invalid, now all his results at 3 are invalid because he's an opener. At one stage there was an argument that he might be a good number 3 because he's the new imrul and all of his innings at 3 were previously before his metamorphisis.

Seems to me imrul gets a pass a lot of the time for one reason or another but others don't e.g. Soumya, Sabbir. When you get down to it imrul has his record, he's also much more experienced so he should have a better record than youngsters, he should be performing better currently because he should be utilising his experience. When these guys get a bit older and have a bit more experience and are still inconsistent like imrul then we can give them a hard time, but in the meantime we should cut the youngsters some slack. Outside of mushy, tamim and shakib BD don't and haven't had consistent players. Imrul isn't consistent, riyad isn't consistent so they can't be grouped with mushy, tamim and shakib.

Imrul is not so important to the team that his position should never be questioned. He is playing his 30th test match, he is 30 years old, he's been around international cricket including the test team for almost 9 years.

Soumya and Sabbir for example are much younger, have better averages and actually already have about a third of the test runs that imrul has scored but they've played less than 10 test matches whereas imrul is playing his 30th.

I'm not saying this to put imrul down, I'm saying it because it's unfair to crucify youngsters like Sabbir and Soumya but defend an experienced hand like imrul.

We have a very promising opener in liton das, he has probably the best FC average of all BD players but he's not being given consistent chances, maybe because he's unlikely to come in and average 50 straight away so we are going with imrul the safe option? I don't know... but if you're team has struggled for years to find a consistent opener and here comes along a young guy who year after year keeps his FC average up near 50 (whilst keeping most of those matches mind you) then really I think the strategy has to be properly looked at and management need to really work out what is best for the team because we could be in with 5-7 more years with imrul but similar to his current output or maybe if we take a chance with liton we could find a 40+ averaging opener, but he might struggle for the first 2-3 years (but given age we can get 10-15 years out of him so 2-3 years is not a big sacrifice imo).

The coach doesn't follow the domestic matches. Among the openers in the last 3 years Liton Das has been most impressive. He deserved to get some chances in the test team.

tanvir_nus
September 6, 2017, 11:51 PM
you guys are being too kind with this guy, time to say f-off KaEdge.
Don't wanna see him T20s where he averages less than 10
Don't wanna see him in ODIs where averages less than 30
Don't wanna see him in Tests where he averages 26
Just don't wanna see him in any cricket field whatsoever!

aklemalp
September 6, 2017, 11:52 PM
The obsession is over. He's back to the pavilion./

MHRAM
September 6, 2017, 11:55 PM
Imrul Kayes can kiss his international cricket goodbye
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jeesh
September 7, 2017, 03:58 AM
Needs to go. BD is better off trying a fresh face than keep on presenting him opportunities.

Zeeshan
September 7, 2017, 08:36 AM
One of my major concerns for Imrul is anatomical, it seems to me that he is missing his neck....It looks like his head is directly attached to his shoulder/TOrso aka Dhor. I am thinking if this is the reason he is hard time following the ball.

arrenah antaje.... he lacks fascia....fascia rectus .. banglay merudondo jake bole thaki amra...

bujhee kom
September 7, 2017, 09:21 AM
arrenah antaje.... he lacks fascia....fascia rectus .. banglay merudondo jake bole thaki amra...

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Bhimrool/Creamroll Imrul Kayes baba

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patriot
September 7, 2017, 09:43 AM
In any other country (including Afghanistan), Imrul kayes would have had a different career by now.

BengaliPagol
September 8, 2017, 03:14 AM
we lub u imrul. Ami tumake bhalo bashi

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 03:14 AM
we lub u imrul. Ami tumake bhalo bashi

I am surprised you were not triggered by all the hate Imrul has been receiving.

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 03:44 AM
Imrul Kayes has the potential to be an actor, and not the conventional type

:D

Sorry in advance If I offended in IK fans.

BengaliPagol
September 8, 2017, 05:05 AM
I am surprised you were not triggered by all the hate Imrul has been receiving.

he has been always receiving hate from the moment he started playing international cricket. So it bothers me at the very slightest about what others think.

R0ssei
September 8, 2017, 07:48 AM
0(6), 2(18), 4(11), 15(35)

21 runs made facing 70 balls in 4 innings under home condition. Out of those 70 balls he faced, he was probably uncomfortable with 50.

We have Shanto in the pipeline, Mominul not taken to make a place for him. If you still want to keep him, be my guest.

ReZ_1
September 8, 2017, 09:02 AM
Imrul said in one TV interview that it is not easy for an opener to bat one down. He also referred to Tamim how difficult it would be for him if he bats one down.

5tonne
September 8, 2017, 09:13 AM
we lub u imrul. Ami tumake bhalo bashi

It would 'I' not 'we'.

5tonne
September 8, 2017, 09:17 AM
Imrul said in one TV interview that it is not easy for an opener to bat one down. He also referred to Tamim how difficult it would be for him if he bats one down.

Difficult, not impossible. Khawaja was an opener from the very beginning of his career but now bats down at no 3. And he plays bloody good in home condition. Ganguly and Tendulkar both used to open in odis but batted down the order in test cricket. Players always say they are happy to play for their country regardless of what the role is. Mushy even said he is happy to play as a twelveth man.

I have seen Imrul play this series. He couldn't get to the line of the ball- be it spin or pace. That's why he kept edging. I am surprised how he scored whatever runs he amassed in international cricket.

MHRAM
September 8, 2017, 10:24 AM
Imrul said in one TV interview that it is not easy for an opener to bat one down. He also referred to Tamim how difficult it would be for him if he bats one down.

An international cricket can't always play in his comfort zone.

Imrul has no excuse for some loose shots and poor defense, things that would cause his downfall even if batted as an opener

jeesh
September 9, 2017, 02:26 AM
Imrul said in one TV interview that it is not easy for an opener to bat one down. He also referred to Tamim how difficult it would be for him if he bats one down.
The thing is if you see his dismissals he cant justify this statement.

ReZ_1
September 9, 2017, 02:59 AM
I think Imrul will be in the SA series..according to Nannu as he told that he will keep faith on experienced players..

https://youtu.be/0hynK0n1aUk?t=3m40s

Gowza
September 9, 2017, 08:40 PM
I don't know but imrul struggles with the short ball, remember when he kept getting out to hooking/pulling? Don't know if he'd fair to good in SA. I think at this point we either need to stick with imrul long term and be happy with his current output as being what we'll get from him in he future or commit to the younger soumya and/or liton and give them experience and time to develop.

And before anyone says development should not happen in the national team, well cricket evolves all the time, you think smith, kohli, root, Williamson and going back Tendulkar and Lara didn't develop whilst on national duty? Players get to a certain point in domestic cricket then they move onto international and continue to develop into even better players.

Only time players were fully developed for international cricket was Australia's golden era of cricket when the domestic system was as strong as test cricket. I mean it might've happened at different times elsewhere but that's the main one that sticks out.

Yankees
September 9, 2017, 08:52 PM
Imrul said in one TV interview that it is not easy for an opener to bat one down. He also referred to Tamim how difficult it would be for him if he bats one down.

Good players adjust. Sh*t players make excuses.

Soumya went out so fast in that first Test that Imrul was basically in an opener situation, and we all know how that ended.