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Cricket4All
September 7, 2017, 11:01 AM
Okay. I know a lot of us were not particularly impressed with the squad selected for the Australia series and ended up thinking that poor selection is the sole reason to miss an opportunity to defeat a top side in a Test series, I thought we should start discussing about squad selection for our next assignment ASAP to prevent history repeating itself.

Test Squad for SA Tour

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Soumya Sarker
3) Mominul Haque
4) Mosaddek Hossain
5) Sakib Al Hasan
6) Mushfiqur Rahim (WK) (C)
7) Sabbir Rahman
8) Saifuddin Ahmed
9) Md. Shahid
10) Subhashis Roy
11) Fizz (1st Test) / Taskin (2nd Test)

Bench: Litton, Miraz, Shanto.

Note:
# I have selected Soumya instead of KaEdge in full knowledge that CH will select him anyway and there's not much difference between Soumya and KaEdge to be honest as both of them won't move their feet on fast bouncy pitch against quality pace attack which will result in getting caught in slips within 5 to 15 minutes of occupying the crease. But Soumya has slightly better hand-eye co-ordination than KaEdge and may surprise us if he gets lucky.

# Shareer Nafees is a proven FTB and should be tried only in Home Test matches due to his prolific runs in domestic circuit if we are really hard pressed to select him for NT. Also, the less we discuss about Anamul Haque in longer version of the game, the better.

# Mini is suppose to be decent against pace bowling and Shanto is under-cooked at the moment due to lack of away series for A-Team.

# Although a lot of us believe Mosaddek might not be as good against quality pace bowling as he is against spin, he should come at 4 mainly due to the fact that he scored vast majority of his FC runs at #4 (@70 average) and personally I would keep Mushy as WK which would automatically push him to bat at #6.

#Litton Das needs to develop his offside batting skill more to be considered as viable option in away tours against a pace battery which is predominantly RF/RFM, His keeping skill seems to be as good as Mushy if not better. I would keep him as reserve WK.

# Both Nasir and Sabbir should only be considered for LOI squad, but we may need to slot in Sabbir due to lack of option as I really do not want Ryad to make a comeback to Test squad, though Ryad is my personal favorite to take over ODI captaincy from Mash once he retires!

# I have watched Saifuddin closely over the years and honestly I don't think he is even poor man's "Ben Stoke". But Miraz was pretty toothless in NZ condition and do not inspire any confidence to do things differently in SA condition. So I would rather gamble with Saifuddin in the playing XI than select Miraz to make him a failure inevitably.

# As far as pace bowling department is concerned, both Shahid and Roy should be selected as work horse and injury-prone Fizz and Taskin should play alternatively.

[P.S. Please post your squad with explanation ]

MHRAM
September 7, 2017, 11:08 AM
My XI would be

Tamim
Litton
Mominul
Mosaddek
Shakib
Mushy
Sabbir
Miraz
Fizz
Taskin
Roy

Reserves: Saifuddin, Soumya, Riad, Rabbi

Gowza
September 7, 2017, 05:44 PM
XI:

Tamim
Liton
Mominul
Shanto
Mushy
Shakib
Sabbir
Mehedi
Saifuddin
Taskin
Fizz

Soumya, mosa reserves as well as another spinner (taijul/jubair?) and another pacer (rabbi, Roy, hider, ebadat?)

tiger1000
September 7, 2017, 05:46 PM
Hopefully Saifuddin doesn't get selected, far too early for him. Shanto to young also, so hopefully common sense prevails.

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Soumya Sarker
3) Mominul Haque
4) Mushfiq
5) Shakib
6) Mosaddek
7) Litton Das - WK
8) Mehedi
9) Taskin
10) Subhashis Roy
11) mustafizur

Bench: Shahid, Taijul, Imrul

Maybe Abu Hider

jabbar
September 7, 2017, 05:55 PM
Test Squad:-

Tamim
Kayes
Mominul
Sabbir
Shakib
Mushfiq
Liton (or Mossadek if Mushy stays WK)
Miraz
Saiffudin
Fizz
Taskin


Reserves: Roy, Soumya, Riad, Rabbi


Justification:
Tamim - Kayes: best opening partnership in BD history. Let it continue until Kayes retires. Soumya will get his chance - or not if Liton / Mossadek perform .

Liton / Mossadek: I am not sure if Mushy can continue doing all three roles to best of his ability - it's proving too much. As captain, he has a say in the matter, despite what we all think. So if he feels he should give up keeping then bring on Liton instead of Mossadek. Liton can play down the order and Sabbir can be elevated to No. 4. Sabbir is a good batsman and can learn to graft an innings in time - especially with Mominul at No. 3 guiding him. He reminds me of Maxwell, a "Big Show" player. Mossadek is unlucky this time, but he might get a chance in second test if there are major failures, or at least in the LOI matches.
Mushy seems to be indicating a willingness to change his role - Mushfiqur explains batting order shake-up http://es.pn/2j7zR5a
via ESPNCricinfo app

Saiffudin- he might have promise as bowling all-rounder. Give him a go, and SAF wickets are best place for him to learn. Regardless of his performance, between Fizz, Taskin, Shakib and Miraz there is a good attack already, so he might be the "project player" for this tour.

Do this and BD cricket will be "right as rain".

al Furqaan
September 7, 2017, 06:50 PM
Mosaddek is going to Bangkok as his eye infection hasnt gotten better. Knowing our luck, this will be a career ending illness or the excuse for Hathuri to finally get rid of him.

Roey Haque
September 7, 2017, 08:59 PM
Good squad except for the fraud man behind the stumps. Get LD in, get Mushfiqur out, and the boys will be very inspired by a real man and wicket keeper.

shabbir
September 7, 2017, 09:08 PM
Test Team
1. Tamim iqbal
2.imrul kayes
3.mominul Haque
4.mushfiqur Rahim
5.shakib AL Hasan
6.mosaddek Hossain
7.liton Kumar Das
8.mehadi Hasan miraz
9.shafiul Islam
10.kamrul Islam rabbi/shubashis roy
11.mustafizur rahman
one day team
1.tamim iqbal
2.soumya sarker
3.mosaddek Hossain
4.shakib AL Hasan
5.mushfiqur Rahim
6.mahmudullah riyad
7.sabbir rahman
8.mehadi Hasan miraz
9.mashrafi bin mortaza
10.taskin Ahmed
11.mustafizur rahman

tanvir_nus
September 7, 2017, 11:02 PM
1) Tamim
2) LKD
3) Mominul
4) Mushfiqur
5) Shakib
6) Mosaddek
7) Shabbir
8) Miraz
9) Shaifuddin
10 Fizz
11) Taskin

Solid Squad in my opinon. You have 2 specialist spinners, you have a fast bowling allrounder and you have 3 fast bowlers. Absolutely need 5 specialist bowlers (Fizz, Taskin, Saifuddin, Miraz, Shakib) if we stand a chance to win a test match as the Australian test match showed. But with allrounders and Saifuddin you have batsmen till 9 anyways which adds batting depth. I am hoping LKD clicks in the opening department as both KaEdge and Soumya have disappointed when we needed them the most, it's time for a change surely.

KaEdge and Soumya need breaks, they are walking wickets and need changes to their batting. I would give Nasir a chance but he should have performed better in the home series.

If Mosaddek is unfit then we need to rope in a test specialist, maybe Shahriar Nafees or Tushar Imran can be looked at. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED EXPERIENCE in the middle order.

Rifat
September 7, 2017, 11:04 PM
^^Mohammad Saifuddin is not test material i think, at least he is not ready yet.

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 12:53 AM
Tamim Iqbal
Liton Das
Mominul Haque
Mosaddek Hossain
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Nasir Hossain
Mehedi Hasan
Shuvashish Roy
Taskin Ahmed
Mustafizur Rahman

Extras: Shahriar Nafees, Mohammad Shahid, Rubel Hossain

No Soumya-Shabbir-Kayes-Shafiul. Taijul isnt needed so he can rest. And please no Saifuddin. Lets not put a seam allrounder just to look cute on paper. Saifuddin with his batting wont do jack in SA conditions and his bowling isnt better then Roy, Rabbi, Rubel, Shahid. This series was the right time to test him when we didnt need 2 full time seamers. Instead of bowling a batsmen, couldve tried a bowling allrounder and see how he does. Its ridiculous to send him for the toughest series in the last 5 years.

Batting order, Liton opens because knowing Mushy the moron, he wont give up gloves. Let him bat way down and play his safe cricket and keep 200 overs. Dunno if Mosaddek will be back.. but if he isnt, I will bring in Riyad back.. Atleast he will look less clueless the Kayes-Shabbir

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 02:22 AM
Saifuddin is possibly the 3rd best seamer in FC for BD, plus he offers something different which is swing.

Are Roy, shahid, robiul, shafiul, Rubel, abul, rabbi etc conclusively better than this young pace all rounder? I believe the answer is no and for me that's enough to give him a birth, he wasn't bad in his international matches to date, he's got a decent enough FC record to say ok give him a shot as long as the talent is there.

Btw in regards to being 3rd best pacer I want to clarify that I said POSSIBLY, I'm not saying he's out right better, but he's young, swings it more than the others, has that passion to succeed and give it to the opposition and a decent enough record over all formats including FC to give him a chance.

Like I said, are the other options conclusively better? He has the upside of swing, age on his side and that extra batting depth.

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 02:38 AM
I would take Ryad. I know he hasn't done much in tests but on those sort of surfaces He is the best option we have in the middle order.

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 02:49 AM
The management really needs to be fired, expierience is required in the Middle Order, yet players like SN are being thoroughly ignored.

My Squad:

Tamim Iqbal(Obviously)
Liton Kumar Das( Best Domestic Opener avaliable)
Mominul Haque(Obviously)
Shahriar Nafees(Defensive middle order batsmen, has tons of expierience)
Mushfiq(Obviously)
Sabbir/Mossa(depending on form)
Shakib(Should be kept far away from the batting order as possible)
Jayed
MRahman
Shahid
Taskin

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 02:50 AM
Why did you guys forget about the young gun Abu Jayed Rahi, can bowl 140s and swing it as well.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 02:51 AM
I would take Ryad. I know he hasn't done much in tests but on those sort of surfaces He is the best option we have in the middle order.

The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 02:54 AM
The middle order is pretty experienced. There is mushy and shakib with around 50 tests and mominul is at 3 with 23 tests. Ordinarily 23 tests these days isn't a lot of experience I guess but for BD it is a lot, then there is tamim so 4 out of the top 7 are experienced, and when imrul plays that's 5 out of the top 7 that are experienced....

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 02:55 AM
The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.

Yes that is true, its better to let young guns get acclimatised to the conditions so we can phase guys like Riyadh, Mushfiq and Tamim out in the future.

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 03:02 AM
The reason I wouldn't take riyad is so a youngster can get experience in those conditions. Unless riyad is going to be a fixture in the test team there is no point picking him for just this series or just that series, I can see it from the other side but for me I'd prefer to give the youngsters that experience so they can use it and draw from it for future series'.

Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 03:24 AM
Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.

That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.

Yameen
September 8, 2017, 03:31 AM
Agree with Gowza here, Riyad has featured in the test side for almost 10 years and barely averages 30 which is just poor.

Hope Mossa can make it back for his "continued development and learning". If you don't expose them now, you will never know

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 03:37 AM
Saifuddin is possibly the 3rd best seamer in FC for BD, plus he offers something different which is swing.

Are Roy, shahid, robiul, shafiul, Rubel, abul, rabbi etc conclusively better than this young pace all rounder? I believe the answer is no and for me that's enough to give him a birth, he wasn't bad in his international matches to date, he's got a decent enough FC record to say ok give him a shot as long as the talent is there.

Btw in regards to being 3rd best pacer I want to clarify that I said POSSIBLY, I'm not saying he's out right better, but he's young, swings it more than the others, has that passion to succeed and give it to the opposition and a decent enough record over all formats including FC to give him a chance.

Like I said, are the other options conclusively better? He has the upside of swing, age on his side and that extra batting depth.

One of us havent seen Saifuddin then and I would gladly be the one. But from the limited i have seen of him, he has the "potential" to be a good swing bowler. He hasnt shown any signs of a matured swing bowler. The seamers u mentioned all passed their short test career on conditions that were totally unhelpful to them. its only now we are starting to see result pitches in BD. I think someone like Shahid, Roy who has bowled a lot of overs in domestics and international, far better candidates to take that 3rd seamer role then Saifuddin. Saifuddin does not have enough experience to play in unknown conditions against one of the top sides in the world. You can disagree all you want but in the end, its fact that he is inexperienced. I think we are all seeing of what inexperience does....

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 03:43 AM
That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.

If we had experienced players with a great record then i wouldn't be going back to Ryad either. Ryad is international match ready in terms of having just played CT and in terms of fitness. He has played the big knocks in Australia England and New Zealand conditions and he has played against good international fast bowling. When it comes to test cricket I would always lean towards experience rather than youth for a tour to South Africa. That is as tough a tour there is in World Cricket. I don't think we will even win a Tour game there with our pace bowling resources if i am being honest. Nasir or Shahriar Nafees too will be out of depth because of the lack of international cricket under their belt.

For Shabbir, Soumya and Kayes I would pick Mosaddek, Shanto and Ryad.

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 03:45 AM
If we had experienced players with a great record then i wouldn't be going back to Ryad either. Ryad is international match ready in terms of having just played CT and in terms of fitness. He has played the big knocks in Australia England and New Zealand conditions and he has played against good international fast bowling. When it comes to test cricket I would always lean towards experience rather than youth for a tour to South Africa. That is as tough a tour there is in World Cricket. I don't think we will even win a Tour game there with our pace bowling resources if i am being honest. Nasir or Shahriar Nafees too will be out of depth because of the lack of international cricket under their belt.

For Shabbir, Soumya and Kayes I would pick Mosaddek, Shanto and Ryad.


Mosaddek will not last an over against, the pace trio of Morkel, Rabada and Philander, in a fast seaming track.

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 03:48 AM
Mosaddek will not last an over against, the pace trio of Morkel, Rabada and Philander, in a fast seaming track.

He is the most promising out of the youngsters. Litton should also get picked but we haven't seen whether he has worked out his off side game yet. Shanto played quite well i felt for his first outing in NZ. The guy at least is not prone to suicidal shots like Soumya.

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 03:48 AM
I have had enough of this youth movement crap. Anamul, Jubair, Soumya, Shabbir, Taskin (to an extent) are all living proofs that this accelerated youth movement doesnt do jack **** in test cricket. its the toughest format for crying sakes. It requires experience along with talent. These guys are fine in shorter formats where talent alone can spark some performances. But in test cricket, it doesnt do jack... Also it doesn't help these players either! You think you are giving them chances to develop? What good has it done to Jubair Hossain? Brought in without experience and now discarded from domestic sides. What good has it done to players like Soumya, Shabbir who are as clueless as a blind man about how to fix their ****.

Haturi did it with Shanto in New Zealand, and now he may do it with Saifuddin. He doesnt get it, BCB doesnt get it, you guys dont get it.... If this technique worked, BCCI, ECB, CA and others wouldn't spend a fortune developing and maintaining Domestic cricket and funding A tours. You develop players through years of domestic cricket and Academy cricket.... You dont suddenly send them on the toughest mission after a mere one season of domestic cricket.

Love how u guys hate BCB's lack of interest in organizing A tours and improving domestic cricket and then u guys want fresh inexperienced prospect in the national setup without proper experience. Whats the difference?

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 03:50 AM
Mosaddek will not last an over against, the pace trio of Morkel, Rabada and Philander, in a fast seaming track.

And u think Saifuddin will last in front of Amla and co in their den? makes sense :notworthy:

DinRaat.
September 8, 2017, 03:54 AM
And u think Saifuddin will last in front of Amla and co in their den? makes sense :notworthy:

I never wanted Saifuddin in the side, that honor belonged to Gowza. Abu Jayed Rahi, can do well in SA

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 04:01 AM
Yes that is true, its better to let young guns get acclimatised to the conditions so we can phase guys like Riyadh, Mushfiq and Tamim out in the future.

Quoting what u said... if you deny that this does not indicate giving a chance to young players like Saifuddin then the conversation stops

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 04:16 AM
gotta mark the date in my calender. I agree with Rinathq on this lol

Night_wolf
September 8, 2017, 04:20 AM
Quoting what u said... if you deny that this does not indicate giving a chance to young players like Saifuddin then the conversation stops

this is what you expect when someone started following BD cricket just 3 years ago where his first memory with shakib is shakib showing his balls to the camera

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 04:21 AM
One of us havent seen Saifuddin then and I would gladly be the one. But from the limited i have seen of him, he has the "potential" to be a good swing bowler. He hasnt shown any signs of a matured swing bowler. The seamers u mentioned all passed their short test career on conditions that were totally unhelpful to them. its only now we are starting to see result pitches in BD. I think someone like Shahid, Roy who has bowled a lot of overs in domestics and international, far better candidates to take that 3rd seamer role then Saifuddin. Saifuddin does not have enough experience to play in unknown conditions against one of the top sides in the world. You can disagree all you want but in the end, its fact that he is inexperienced. I think we are all seeing of what inexperience does....

All of them bar rubel are inexperienced, fact. Unless you're talking FC cricket which in BD is almost useless due to the quality.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 04:29 AM
Fizz and mehedi are doing fine as youngsters, mominul was given chances young.

All of the successful stalwarts of the team started young. Mushy, tamim, shakib...

In a different thread I listed a long list of quality fast bowlers who debuted under the age of 23/22.

Great players often start young. Besides that the youth is better than the so called experienced players so pick worse players if you want but it's not going to help the team in the short term or long term.

Riyad, imrul are maybe the only two experienced players who could make a difference, if they turn up but none of the fast bowlers who are supposedly experienced when in reality they are inexperienced will do a better job than the top youngsters coming through. Saifuddin like mehedi can be an integral part of this team on multiple fronts.

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 04:29 AM
gotta mark the date in my calender. I agree with Ranithq on this lol

yea spell my name wrong now... :facepalm:

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 04:32 AM
All of them bar rubel are inexperienced, fact. Unless you're talking FC cricket which in BD is almost useless due to the quality.

its the same FC records that u are using to partially defend for bringing Saifuddin. Ironic isnt it? ... and I hope I dont have to quote u on that...

Rinathq
September 8, 2017, 04:34 AM
Fizz and mehedi are doing fine as youngsters, mominul was given chances young.

All of the successful stalwarts of the team started young. Mushy, tamim, shakib...

In a different thread I listed a long list of quality fast bowlers who debuted under the age of 23/22.

Great players often start young. Besides that the youth is better than the so called experienced players so pick worse players if you want but it's not going to help the team in the short term or long term.

Riyad, imrul are maybe the only two experienced players who could make a difference, if they turn up but none of the fast bowlers who are supposedly experienced when in reality they are inexperienced will do a better job than the top youngsters coming through. Saifuddin like mehedi can be an integral part of this team on multiple fronts.

Fizz=Yes
Mehedi= Partially yes
Mominul= NO. He played significantly more domestic cricket then Saifuddin before getting a debut.

And I gave u more then twice the examples u gave me... I wonder who wins

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 04:34 AM
yea spell my name wrong now... :facepalm:

my bad. corrected

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 05:36 AM
Fizz=Yes
Mehedi= Partially yes
Mominul= NO. He played significantly more domestic cricket then Saifuddin before getting a debut.

And I gave u more then twice the examples u gave me... I wonder who wins

Yes I wonder....

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 06:07 AM
Fizz and mehedi are doing fine as youngsters, mominul was given chances young.

All of the successful stalwarts of the team started young. Mushy, tamim, shakib...

In a different thread I listed a long list of quality fast bowlers who debuted under the age of 23/22.

Great players often start young. Besides that the youth is better than the so called experienced players so pick worse players if you want but it's not going to help the team in the short term or long term.

Riyad, imrul are maybe the only two experienced players who could make a difference, if they turn up but none of the fast bowlers who are supposedly experienced when in reality they are inexperienced will do a better job than the top youngsters coming through. Saifuddin like mehedi can be an integral part of this team on multiple fronts.

Mustafizur... He had a career changing injury and he's 21 years old, hes had to start again, no one in their right minds can argue that it wasn't too early for him, but again he didn't get much test cricket bowling early on

Mehedi, he's a spinner, fast bowler and spinner are different

Mominul was experienced domestic player and not a teenager and he's a batsman

Tamim and mushfiq were not fast bowlers and tamim suffered many injuries

Shakib again a spinner, but also he's special, once in a generation player, but even Shakib had severe injuries to his leg by the time he was 25 which has affected his career

A bowling line up of, Mustafizur taskin roy

Or mustafizur Roy Shahid, or combination of those 4 are all very choices than Saifuddin, Al Amin is a very choice than Saifuddin

Mustafizur just about looks ready now, taskin only looked ready this year

You did give some examples, and when I picked holes in that argument, you didn't reply, so keep picking few ATGs across decade's to 'prove' your point, to rely on exceptional players to risk a player to a career threatening injury is flawed logic

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 06:11 AM
I have had enough of this youth movement crap. Anamul, Jubair, Soumya, Shabbir, Taskin (to an extent) are all living proofs that this accelerated youth movement doesnt do jack **** in test cricket. its the toughest format for crying sakes. It requires experience along with talent. These guys are fine in shorter formats where talent alone can spark some performances. But in test cricket, it doesnt do jack... Also it doesn't help these players either! You think you are giving them chances to develop? What good has it done to Jubair Hossain? Brought in without experience and now discarded from domestic sides. What good has it done to players like Soumya, Shabbir who are as clueless as a blind man about how to fix their ****.

Haturi did it with Shanto in New Zealand, and now he may do it with Saifuddin. He doesnt get it, BCB doesnt get it, you guys dont get it.... If this technique worked, BCCI, ECB, CA and others wouldn't spend a fortune developing and maintaining Domestic cricket and funding A tours. You develop players through years of domestic cricket and Academy cricket.... You dont suddenly send them on the toughest mission after a mere one season of domestic cricket.

Love how u guys hate BCB's lack of interest in organizing A tours and improving domestic cricket and then u guys want fresh inexperienced prospect in the national setup without proper experience. Whats the difference?

It's just not ability, it's physically underdeveloped pacers being pushed into the side, if we had common sense, mashrafe and Talha would have taken us to where we are now at the start of the decade with Shakib tamim and mushfiq

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 06:16 AM
Mustafizur... He had a career changing injury and he's 21 years old, hes had to start again, no one in their right minds can argue that it wasn't too early for him, but again he didn't get much test cricket bowling early on

Mehedi, he's a spinner, fast bowler and spinner are different

Mominul was experienced domestic player and not a teenager and he's a batsman

Tamim and mushfiq were not fast bowlers and tamim suffered many injuries

Shakib again a spinner, but also he's special, once in a generation player, but even Shakib had severe injuries to his leg by the time he was 25 which has affected his career

A bowling line up of, Mustafizur taskin roy

Or mustafizur Roy Shahid, or combination of those 4 are all very choices than Saifuddin, Al Amin is a very choice than Saifuddin

Mustafizur just about looks ready now, taskin only looked ready this year

You did give some examples, and when I picked holes in that argument, you didn't reply, so keep picking few ATGs across decade's to 'prove' your point, to rely on exceptional players to risk a player to a career threatening injury is flawed logic

Pretty sure if you check the thread you're the one who stopped replying, besides I had no reason to argue, I gave many many examples, guess you don't consider them valid because they argue against your point and prove my point correct.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 06:17 AM
It's just not ability, it's physically underdeveloped pacers being pushed into the side, if we had common sense, mashrafe and Talha would have taken us to where we are now at the start of the decade with Shakib tamim and mushfiq

Saifuddin is not physically underdeveloped.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 06:23 AM
Saifuddin is playing more FC cricket than Roy and shahid, shahid including his tests has played 41 matches and Roy 55, they are both 28. Saifuddin has played 23 and is 20 turning 21.

So shahid has played 18 more FC matches in just 7/8 years. Who's body will be more used to consistent workload?

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 06:54 AM
Pretty sure if you check the thread you're the one who stopped replying, besides I had no reason to argue, I gave many many examples, guess you don't consider them valid because they argue against your point and prove my point correct.

I only checked for few days, then page disappeared from page 1,i didn't bother looking it up again

I don't consider them valid, because you're spanning decades to select a handful of exceptionally talented players

Only exceptional talents overcome early career setbacks

To use your examples

Wasim suffered severe groin injuries he overcame

Waqar suffered severe back injury he overcame

Steyn was undercooked, so got put back on the shelf for couple of years

Mustafizur suffered severe shoulder injury and has shown glimpses of overcoming if

Mashrafe overcame injuries enough to have a odi career, but no test cricket

Talha... No career

They're exceptions to the rule, not the rule

It takes basic understanding to realise athletes are not fully developed at a young age, look at taskin, he went from bulky to slim, to bulky, now finally has settled down, Saifuddin still has baby fat on him

Just not cricket look at Rashford, he's been injury plauged because his body is still developing, when your body is still changing, your are not stable enough to carry out the heavier duties of sports

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 07:05 AM
Saifuddin is playing more FC cricket than Roy and shahid, shahid including his tests has played 41 matches and Roy 55, they are both 28. Saifuddin has played 23 and is 20 turning 21.

So shahid has played 18 more FC matches in just 7/8 years. Who's body will be more used to consistent workload?

How old are you?

Just out of interest, because anyone who's gone through changes realises your body is much stronger at 28 than 20, it's stronger at 23 vs 20

Not everyone's body is the same and some will develop quicker than others, Saifuddin might be fine, but might not be, taking a 50/50 chance with a talented player for the future is ridiculous

And you can go at a certain intensity in first class cricket that you can't do in tests

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 07:16 AM
I only checked for few days, then page disappeared from page 1,i didn't bother looking it up again

I don't consider them valid, because you're spanning decades to select a handful of exceptionally talented players

Only exceptional talents overcome early career setbacks

To use your examples

Wasim suffered severe groin injuries he overcame

Waqar suffered severe back injury he overcame

Steyn was undercooked, so got put back on the shelf for couple of years

Mustafizur suffered severe shoulder injury and has shown glimpses of overcoming if

Mashrafe overcame injuries enough to have a odi career, but no test cricket

Talha... No career

They're exceptions to the rule, not the rule

It takes basic understanding to realise athletes are not fully developed at a young age, look at taskin, he went from bulky to slim, to bulky, now finally has settled down, Saifuddin still has baby fat on him

Just not cricket look at Rashford, he's been injury plauged because his body is still developing, when your body is still changing, your are not stable enough to carry out the heavier duties of sports

I came up with a lot more than a handful of exceptional talents, I listed probably close to 20 names, maybe more.

As far as basic knowledge I'm a qualified personal trainer and have been in the industry for close to 15 years.

All fast bowlers will get injured whether they start late or not, it's part and parcel of being a fast bowler, in fact it's not just fast bowlers, most athletes have periods of injury.

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 08:46 AM
I came up with a lot more than a handful of exceptional talents, I listed probably close to 20 names, maybe more.

As far as basic knowledge I'm a qualified personal trainer and have been in the industry for close to 15 years.

All fast bowlers will get injured whether they start late or not, it's part and parcel of being a fast bowler, in fact it's not just fast bowlers, most athletes have periods of injury.

You spanned decades to come up with those names

Fast bowlers do get injured in particular because of workload and the reason why younger players need more protection is because they're more susceptible to those injuries, it is a known fact your body takes more injuries when it's unstable and it's unstable when you are still growing and guess who's growing, yes young fast bowlers

Why do you think teams around the world wait till a fast bowler is 22/23 before putting him in the team?

You think bangladeshi players are different? You think all those players who have had severe injuries should not be taken into consideration?

A player getting injured 2 years into his test career at age of 27 will not have his growth stunted like it would for a 21 year old 1 year into his career, that's just plain obvious

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 09:20 AM
You spanned decades to come up with those names

Fast bowlers do get injured in particular because of workload and the reason why younger players need more protection is because they're more susceptible to those injuries, it is a known fact your body takes more injuries when it's unstable and it's unstable when you are still growing and guess who's growing, yes young fast bowlers

Why do you think teams around the world wait till a fast bowler is 22/23 before putting him in the team?

You think bangladeshi players are different? You think all those players who have had severe injuries should not be taken into consideration?

A player getting injured 2 years into his test career at age of 27 will not have his growth stunted like it would for a 21 year old 1 year into his career, that's just plain obvious

I mentioned players from across different eras to prove a point, fast bowlers have played from a young age in all eras. I also named about 10 or so from the last 15 years. Anderson, broad, morkel, southee, boult, sharma, Starc, Amir, Joseph, roach, rabada. 9 out of this 11 were 21 or younger on debut.

Some of these players are injury prone, others aren't. Broad and Anderson have played over 100 test matches, morkel 78. Rabada is less than 1 year older than saifuddin and has already played 20 test matches, is he constantly injured? He's only played 37 FC matches with 20 of them being tests so saifuddin has played more FC cricket than rabada did before his debut.

You don't have to agree with the debut of saifuddin that is fine, I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, but I've backed it up and it is what it is. See this is why I don't post as much as I used to because nowadays if you disagree with someone you're going to be relentlessly argued with almost like an attack rather than offering different points of view and respecting each other.

R0ssei
September 8, 2017, 09:22 AM
BAN Test Squad against SA:

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Liton Das (wk)
3. Mominul Haque
4. Mushfiqur Rahim (c)
5. Nazmul Hossain Shanto
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Mosaddek Hossain
8. Md. Saifuddin
9. Mehedi Hasan
10. Taskin Ahmed
11. Mustafizur Rahman

Extra: Abu Haider Rony, Subhasish Roy/Md. Shahid, Sabbir Rahman

1. We cannot go on with Mushy as the keeper+ key middle-order batsman + captain in test anymore. It needs to stop, period. So, LKD will keep instead of him.
2. Imrul should be dropped from all formats. SS needs a break from test as well. Try LKD as an opener.
3. After so many failed attempts, I think both Sabbir and SS are LOI materials. And since I’m always open to new players, I will go with adding Shanto in the middle-order.
4. The LH and RH combo looks perfect in the batting order.
5. Although we will be playing in a fast-bouncy pitch, we would still need spinners for breakthroughs especially when SA batsmen are widely known not to play spin well. So, relying on Shakib alone would be a mistake. Hence, I would keep Miraz as he is RH.
6. Choosing Fizz, Taskin & Saifuddin as pace attack has an element of risk I know as they are all young and may easily tire themselves early and get injured in the process. I wouldn’t go with the same combo for the 2nd test as we will definitely need Fizz in ODI and T20’s. So, play Fizz in 1st test and Rony in 2nd test as the other LH seamer.
7. Saifuddin needs to play LOI first I guess. He may not be test material yet. He should play only 1 test if considered. Hence, we have work horses like Subhasish Roy or Md. Shahid (pick one).

5tonne
September 8, 2017, 09:36 AM
That's the problem with fans then, shouldn't be so harsh, depriving the player and BD cricket in the long run is not the answer. Plenty of young inexperienced players play away tours, it's how they learn.

Riyad isn't so great that he needs to be picked either, if we were talking about an experienced player with a great record then fair go but riyad's not got that.

What are you talking about? It's a very common practice to save youngsters from debuting against tough opponents so that they don't stumble in the beginning of their career. I can give you Australian examples for that. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cricket/dumped-batsman-rob-quiney-is-thankful-for-his-two-tests-but-is-hungry-for-more/news-story/a1bdea919caa84353cfec31982cc837d. Here an experienced Batsman like Phillip Hughes was not played against SA, the team who debuted against and played very well because by then his weakness against pace was well established. The selectors didn't want to destroy his confidence before bringing him back to the national side. And you are talking about fresh new blood.

One World
September 8, 2017, 10:06 AM
Apples vs. Oranges

র‌্যাংকিং খেলোয়াড় রেটিং
১৬ তামিম ইকবাল ৬৭৯
১৮ সাকিব আল হাসান ৬৬৮
২২ মুশফিকুর রহিম ৬৫৮
৩৭ মোমিনুল হক ৫৭৭
৫৪ মাহমুদুল্লাহ রিয়াদ ৪৭০
৬১ সৌম্য সরকার ৪৫৮
৭১ ইমরুল কায়েস ৪০৪
৭৩ সাব্বির রহমান ৩৯৯
৭৫ নাসির হোসেন ৩৯২
৯২ মোসাদ্দেক হোসেন ৩৪৮

9 764 H.M. Amla SA 907
12 729 Q. de Kock SA 802
17 674 D. Elgar SA 740
18 668 F. du Plessis SA 710
40 562 T. Bavuma SA 563
46 517 J-P. Duminy SA 593
59 467 S.C. Cook SA 638
64 442 V.D. Philander SA 457


This leadership is like a radar-less ship. To succeed we need a different captain who can motivate and advocate at the right time to strike. Does not surrender to any pair of batsmen and let the game run away. I can hardly imagine an overseas success be achieved with current captain. Drastic improvement in fielding is also essential.

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 10:32 AM
What are you talking about? It's a very common practice to save youngsters from debuting against tough opponents so that they don't stumble in the beginning of their career. I can give you Australian examples for that. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cricket/dumped-batsman-rob-quiney-is-thankful-for-his-two-tests-but-is-hungry-for-more/news-story/a1bdea919caa84353cfec31982cc837d. Here an experienced Batsman like Phillip Hughes was not played against SA, the team who debuted against and played very well because by then his weakness against pace was well established. The selectors didn't want to destroy his confidence before bringing him back to the national side. And you are talking about fresh new blood.

I never said it doesn't happen, it does, players are sometimes protected from away tours. Now I'm not going to go through heaps of players, it's time wasting an exhausting but here are a few more recent ones from the top of my head that I will name who debuted away from home: lokesh Rahul- Australia, rabada - India, broad - Sri Lanka, boult -Australia, Amir -Sri Lanka, Wagner - West Indies, joe root -India, Kane Williamson-India, Steve smith - England, virat kohli - West Indies.

I'm not saying it's common, and probably someone will jump on me because I only named a handful from a 15 year period. It's nearly 1:30 in the morning where I am so I couldn't care less, if you want more names go look them up yourself. Sometimes you need to take a risk, but as you can see with the players I mentioned they still have had good careers so I don't think any of them have been destroyed by debuting away from home.

The thing is a place like South Africa is better for fast bowling than Bangladesh so really what is the issue here? It definitely should not be because of the location imo. The age reasoning is more valid than the location in this particular situation for the reason I just gave.

BD_TigerZ
September 8, 2017, 12:44 PM
Lol at people including Sabbir in the 11.. rather have Riyad for 30s and 40s..

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 04:26 PM
Sabbir does the same 30's but at least he's young, Ullah is a broken record at this point in tests

tiger1000
September 8, 2017, 04:35 PM
I mentioned players from across different eras to prove a point, fast bowlers have played from a young age in all eras. I also named about 10 or so from the last 15 years. Anderson, broad, morkel, southee, boult, sharma, Starc, Amir, Joseph, roach, rabada. 9 out of this 11 were 21 or younger on debut.

Some of these players are injury prone, others aren't. Broad and Anderson have played over 100 test matches, morkel 78. Rabada is less than 1 year older than saifuddin and has already played 20 test matches, is he constantly injured? He's only played 37 FC matches with 20 of them being tests so saifuddin has played more FC cricket than rabada did before his debut.

You don't have to agree with the debut of saifuddin that is fine, I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, but I've backed it up and it is what it is. See this is why I don't post as much as I used to because nowadays if you disagree with someone you're going to be relentlessly argued with almost like an attack rather than offering different points of view and respecting each other.

I already said age doesn't define everything, it's physical maturity, Rabada is solidly built

Anderson is a freak of nature, he's one of the greatest athletes Britain has ever produced

Southee and Boult both have had injury problems, but ok

Starc is riddled with injuries

Amir was at risk of a career ending back injury if it wasn't for the ban

Roach, are you serious, even tonight he talked about his serious injury issues that has made him change his game

The thing I disagree with is the notion that being 50/50 at whether he would get injured is ok in your mind for him to play, it should be probable that he stays fit for him to play, it's stupid to take risks with young players, debuting Saifuddin might work, that no one knows, what no one can deny is the risk, I certainly believe risking him at this stage and not a year down the line is a mistake

al Furqaan
September 8, 2017, 05:47 PM
Test cricket in South Africa is not the right avenue to give youngsters an exposure. It is basically throwing them in the deep end against Morkel Philander and co and setting them up to fail miserably. I am sure once a Mosaddek score 3 ducks people will call for his head in all formats. Youngsters should get exposed through A team tours or through being in the squad for the limited overs side.

Why do we assume Mosaddek would score 3 ducks? And if he does, what about Riyad who has half the FC average of a Mosaddek. Riyad is not an answer.

If a youngster bags 3 ducks in SA, he should still be given a nice long run in the side. Anyone can score 3 ducks to start their career. Attapattu had 3 ducks to start his career I believe and Tendulkar had 2 ducks to start his ODI career.

NoName
September 8, 2017, 06:12 PM
Things must be bad when we are contemplating bringing Riyad back into the team

Rana Melb
September 8, 2017, 06:36 PM
Bijoy in?

Jadukor
September 8, 2017, 08:01 PM
Why do we assume Mosaddek would score 3 ducks? And if he does, what about Riyad who has half the FC average of a Mosaddek. Riyad is not an answer.

If a youngster bags 3 ducks in SA, he should still be given a nice long run in the side. Anyone can score 3 ducks to start their career. Attapattu had 3 ducks to start his career I believe and Tendulkar had 2 ducks to start his ODI career.
I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.

Rana Melb
September 8, 2017, 08:20 PM
How many lefties in top order this time...morkel with em alive

Gowza
September 8, 2017, 10:13 PM
I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.

Mosa and shanto are inexperienced though...

al Furqaan
September 8, 2017, 10:30 PM
I wasnt saying replace mosaddek with ryad. I want mosaddek shanto and ryad in the test side replacing shabbir kayes and soumya. I would like youngsters totally new to international cricket not to be tried on a South Africa tour. They should tried on home series, A team tours and limited overs format to ease them into international cricket. Composition of the Test side in my view should lean towards experience.

The problem is we don't get A team tours. For some reason the BCB is unwilling to arrange them. We might not get tours to India, Eng, or AUS, but we should be able to get A team tours to NZ, SA, WI.

We also play 1 home series per year and we really can't experiment there because we need to win as many of the home Tests as we can.

Although I wouldn't say playing Mosaddek is an experiment since he is our leading first class batter. But guys like Soumya, Sabbir, Miraz, even Taskin and Fizz are basically experiments.

I've just seen enough of Riyad to feel that he can't bring much value to the Test side. An attractive 70 from Mominul in SA would be good because you know Mominul has the capability to score hundreds. But if Riyad gets out for the same score, you'd know thats it.

Cricket4All
September 8, 2017, 10:50 PM
Bijoy in?

Please NO !

tiger1000
September 9, 2017, 04:47 AM
The problem is we don't get A team tours. For some reason the BCB is unwilling to arrange them. We might not get tours to India, Eng, or AUS, but we should be able to get A team tours to NZ, SA, WI.

We also play 1 home series per year and we really can't experiment there because we need to win as many of the home Tests as we can.

Although I wouldn't say playing Mosaddek is an experiment since he is our leading first class batter. But guys like Soumya, Sabbir, Miraz, even Taskin and Fizz are basically experiments.

I've just seen enough of Riyad to feel that he can't bring much value to the Test side. An attractive 70 from Mominul in SA would be good because you know Mominul has the capability to score hundreds. But if Riyad gets out for the same score, you'd know thats it.

Ullah won't cross 48 in south africa

simon
September 9, 2017, 06:33 AM
kono labh nai
Whichever Test XI we choose, we will be doomed in SA.
I am only looking forward to the odi series.

5tonne
September 9, 2017, 11:56 AM
Any news on Mosaddek yet?

al Furqaan
September 9, 2017, 03:53 PM
Any news on Mosaddek yet?

Hes going to Bangkok as his eye hasnt improved, so he might miss out SA series.

Knowing Hathuri, could be the end Mosaddek's career as its the perfect excuse to now include Imrul or Sabbir or Alok Kapali.

Rana Melb
September 9, 2017, 04:21 PM
Shanto may got a chance...2 hundreds in England

al Furqaan
September 9, 2017, 09:02 PM
Daily Star reports that Mosaddek is "highly unlikely" to make the SA squad. He will be off to Bankok to get his eyes looked at.

My XI in SA would be the following:

Tamim
Soumya
Mushfiq
Mominul
Shakib
Nasir/Sabbir (Mosaddek comes in when fit)
Liton
Miraz
Taskin
Ibadat
Mustafiz

Gowza
September 9, 2017, 09:05 PM
Daily Star reports that Mosaddek is "highly unlikely" to make the SA squad. He will be off to Bankok to get his eyes looked at.

My XI in SA would be the following:

Tamim
Soumya
Mushfiq
Mominul
Shakib
Nasir/Sabbir (Mosaddek comes in when fit)
Liton
Miraz
Taskin
Ibadat
Mustafiz

Not sure ebadat is ready...looks good but doesn't take wickets...

Max100
September 9, 2017, 09:58 PM
my test squad


tamim
anamul
mominul
mushfiq
shakib
sabbir
Liton (wk)
saifuddin
miraz
mustafiz
shahid

bench: shahriar nafees/ naeem islam, soumya sarker, taskin,mosaddek (if fit) or nazmul hossain shanto

Max100
September 9, 2017, 10:05 PM
ODI


tamim
soumya
sabbir
mushfiq
shakib
mahmudullah
mosaddek/ miraz
mashrafi
taskin
mustafiz
rubel

bench: shafiul, saifuddin, kayes

Gowza
September 9, 2017, 10:10 PM
When did shahid last play? He's surely not match fit.

Eshen
September 10, 2017, 08:36 AM
My XI would be -

Tamim
LKD
Momin
Riyad
Shakib
Mushfiq
Sabbir
Miraz
Taskin
Kamrul
Fizz

Bench: Shafiul, Ebadat, Soumya, Shanto

Eshen
September 10, 2017, 09:17 AM
"Cricbuzz has learnt that pacers Rubel Hossain and Kamrul Islam are set to be recalled, in a bid to strengthen the bowling unit while all-rounder Mahmudullah and wicketkeeper Nurul Hasan could be drafted back into the squad as well.

"We (team management) considered the overseas form of Mahmudullah crucial behind his selection", a member of team management told Cricbuzz. "Nurul is our best wicket-keeper and we have to take someone who won't fail us if he is asked to fill the responsibility behind the stumps."

Nasir Hossain and Taijul Islam, who featured in the two-match Test series at home against Australia, would have their spots under threat. While Nasir gathered only 73 runs in the four innings, Taijul accounted for only two wickets in the second Test. There are also murmurs doing the rounds that Imrul Kayes could be replaced with Anamul Haque, but Cricbuzz understands that Bangladesh are likely to stick with Imrul."

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/96988/bangladesh-cricket-team-expected-to-beef-up-pace-battery-for-south-africa-tests

What's going on with LKD? Will Nurul replace him or be he kept as a specialist batsman?

tiger1000
September 10, 2017, 09:33 AM
Rubel?

He's shown enough to show he can't play test

Eshen
September 10, 2017, 09:49 AM
^^ Agree. I rather see Ebadat.

Eshen
September 10, 2017, 10:21 AM
Based on the news and preference of coaches, here is my predicted team -

Tamim
Soumya
Momin
Mushfiq
Riyad
Sabbir
Nurul
Miraz
Taskin
Shafiul
Fizz

Bench: Kamrul, Rubel, Imrul

Shanto the 15th member?

BD_TigerZ
September 10, 2017, 11:44 AM
Anamul won't last an over against the SA pacers.

Jadukor
September 10, 2017, 01:00 PM
all-rounder Mahmudullah and wicketkeeper Nurul Hasan could be drafted back into the squad as well.

"We (team management) considered the overseas form of Mahmudullah crucial behind his selection", a member of team management told Cricbuzz. "Nurul is our best wicket-keeper and we have to take someone who won't fail us if he is asked to fill the responsibility behind the stumps."

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/96988/bangladesh-cricket-team-expected-to-beef-up-pace-battery-for-south-africa-tests


Good decision to include Ryad

Yankees
September 10, 2017, 01:31 PM
Good decision to include Ryad

Yeap, can't wait for our specialist batsman to post his second century ever in tests.
We should probably go ahead and start building his statue already.

Gowza
September 10, 2017, 05:55 PM
So does this mean they are thinking of picking anamul over liton? Would like to understand why if that's the case.

Rifat
September 10, 2017, 07:12 PM
Good decision to include Ryad

I Never thought I would see this Quote from Jadukor :floor: :floor:

5tonne
September 10, 2017, 07:21 PM
I don't get the reason behind selecting Kamrul over Subhashis as per the cricbuzz article. Didn't Subhashis bowl well in NZ and SL recently? I was very impressed with his bowling against SL. He seemed capable of bowling consistently at Good pace with good line and length.

NoName
September 10, 2017, 07:41 PM
If we don't get bundled out for ~50 like every other team that has toured SA in recent years has, I'll consider it a moral victory.

5tonne
September 10, 2017, 11:31 PM
Based on the news and preference of coaches, here is my predicted team -

Tamim
Soumya
Momin
Mushfiq
Riyad
Sabbir
Nurul
Miraz
Taskin
Shafiul
Fizz

Bench: Kamrul, Rubel, Imrul

Shanto the 15th member?
I am reading about Nurul too. I am surprised they are not thinking of playing Liton Das. He was with the team in the series against Aus. So much inconsistencies.

Gowza
September 10, 2017, 11:34 PM
I am reading about Nurul too. I am surprised they are not thinking of playing Liton Das. He was with the team in the series against Aus. So much inconsistencies.

Yeah, I'd like to know what liton has done wrong.

Jadukor
September 11, 2017, 12:50 AM
I Never thought I would see this Quote from Jadukor :floor: :floor:
yes such is the quality of our backup resources:facepalm:

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 01:13 AM
I say go for it, shanto is in awesome form, he's already played an away test in NZ which is difficult conditions, he's currently scoring in England which is also difficult, slot him in.

al Furqaan
September 11, 2017, 01:24 AM
Yeah, I'd like to know what liton has done wrong.

That was speculative or maybe Papon just threw his name in the hat. I doubt that Anamul and Nurul will come in and Liton will be dropped.

But if he was included, I wouldn't be surprised. Hathuri's selections have made little sense and the stability we had in selections for several years dating back to the 2007 WC Faruqe Ahmed days ended last year with the England series. Ironically, its when we started winning Test matches. Imagine if we actually had sensible selections!

Maybe Hathuri is not fully to blame, but the selectors as a whole have been chaotic when you consider the following:

1) Liton was WK in 2015, then Nurul suddenly appeared, and now for no reason Liton is back.
2) Sabbir debuted ahead of the more deserving Mosaddek vs England.
3) Shanto debuted ahead of the more dserving Mosaddek vs NZ.
4) Mominul dropped 2 matches after hitting a fifty on a greentop in NZ.

Personally I would rather see Nurul as the WK as he has at least 9 inches on Mushfiq and 6 on Liton. That is essentially when collecting 5 wides and leg byes, especially on a bouncy pitch in SA.

Shadow
September 11, 2017, 01:25 AM
Yeah, I'd like to know what liton has done wrong.

Nurul is the best wicket keeper that Bangladesh has, that's all right. But don't they think Liton can be drafted not just as a keeper but also a batsman.

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 01:27 AM
Surely liton is next in line as opener?

Shadow
September 11, 2017, 02:21 AM
Surely liton is next in line as opener?

The team management has faith in Soumya as an opener. I don't think that is going to change.

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 02:50 AM
The team management has faith in Soumya as an opener. I don't think that is going to change.

Well obviously imrul and Soumya have been ahead of him but with liton being in the squad and neither imrul or Soumya really doing a lot in the last series I'd have thought liton would've been in with a sniff as opener but with this anamul talk then it seems like they are only thinking of him as a keeper. He made his domestic runs mainly as opener but also at 3 so seems strange that he'd only be considered as a keeper.

Shadow
September 11, 2017, 06:20 AM
Mahmudullah and Subashis are back.

Test squad for SA series:
Mushfiqur Rahim (capt), Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Imrul Kayes, Sabbir Rahman, Mahmudullah, Liton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam, Mustafizur Rahman, Rubel Hossain, Shafiul Islam, Taskin Ahmed, Subashis Roy, Mominul Haque

Cricket4All
September 11, 2017, 06:36 AM
^^ Taijul Islam ? Please let us know your source.

Night_wolf
September 11, 2017, 06:44 AM
I dont understand why we still persist with Rubel in Test, if there was any pacer in our bench who we can say with 100% certainty is tried and failed in test, It is Rubel

24 match is a big big number to throw away a pacer

Eshen
September 11, 2017, 07:43 AM
Three changes - Nasir axed, Shakib and Mosaddek rested. Riyad, Rubel, and Roy are back.

Not much to complain, other than I would prefer to see Kamrul or Ebadat in place of Rubel.

Jadukor
September 11, 2017, 08:51 AM
Soumya and Kayes still in the squad. Seriously when will we just try another opener beyond these two

roman
September 11, 2017, 09:30 AM
KaEdge going to SA. Oh yeah oh yeah

Now that Shakib has decided to not play tests, time for Riyad to step up his game and show that he is worthy.

Fazal
September 11, 2017, 09:45 AM
SS, Imrul, Riyad in the same team?? Where we will hide all those deadwood? I am worried.

mishu
September 11, 2017, 09:55 AM
Very bad team selection, they're again going with Imrul and Soumya over players like Mosadek and Nasir. Will be a big fail, specially with no Shakib.

ReZ_1
September 11, 2017, 10:32 AM
Very bad team selection, they're again going with Imrul and Soumya over players like Mosadek and Nasir. Will be a big fail, specially with no Shakib.

I heard that Mosaddek is not yet fit from his eye infection.

Nasir is no good than Mullah according to my view so I don`t care.. Soumya/Imrul/Nasir are in the same flop catagory.. even Shabbir was better than Nasir which was surprising to me.

ReZ_1
September 11, 2017, 10:35 AM
KaEdge going to SA. Oh yeah oh yeah



Minus e minus e Plus.. The ball will swing so much that although Kayes will try his best to edge it but it will miss the bat by a huge margin

ReZ_1
September 11, 2017, 10:41 AM
Yeah, I'd like to know what liton has done wrong.

Did you remember Nurul was in the NZ trip and did pretty well but then suddenly he was replaced by liton in the next home series- the reason was liton is good for the home condition. Now you know why nurul is again drafted into the squad for the overseas series... :D

5tonne
September 11, 2017, 10:45 AM
I don't get the reason behind selecting Kamrul over Subhashis as per the cricbuzz article. Didn't Subhashis bowl well in NZ and SL recently? I was very impressed with his bowling against SL. He seemed capable of bowling consistently at Good pace with good line and length.

I am reading about Nurul too. I am surprised they are not thinking of playing Liton Das. He was with the team in the series against Aus. So much inconsistencies.

At least some sanity prevails. Both Subhashis and Liton are in the squad.

It's a shame that Mosaddek won't be able to play. It would be a great experience for him.

Kayes must have got an intimate video clip of someone high up in the BCB.

5tonne
September 11, 2017, 10:48 AM
Did you remember Nurul was in the NZ trip and did pretty well but then suddenly he was replaced by liton in the next home series- the reason was liton is good for the home condition. Now you know why nurul is again drafted into the squad for the overseas series... :D

When did that happen?

5tonne
September 11, 2017, 10:52 AM
the selectors as a whole have been chaotic

True. It's hard to point fingers knowing so many people are involved in the selection process directly and indirectly.

5tonne
September 11, 2017, 11:19 AM
Test squad for SA series:
Mushfiqur Rahim (capt), Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Imrul Kayes, Sabbir Rahman, Mahmudullah, Liton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam, Mustafizur Rahman, Rubel Hossain, Shafiul Islam, Taskin Ahmed, Subashis Roy, Mominul Haque
My preferred first test xi:
Tamim
Imrul/Soumya
Mushy
Mominul
Mahmudullah
Liton
Sabbir
Mehidy
Taskin
Subashis
Mustafiz

Only one of Imrul and Soumya should play in the xi. Imrul can't play at no.3 we have seen that. If Mushy is not keeping he should bat at 3. Taijul is not half as good as Shakib. And we don't have to have a left arm spinner in the team. Mehidy will at least add some lower order runs. Although I barracked for Liton as he was with the team in most recent series, I think his batting will be terribly exposed against SA pace attack. Nurul would have been a better choice providing he is among runs.

al Furqaan
September 11, 2017, 11:40 AM
Very bad team selection, they're again going with Imrul and Soumya over players like Mosadek and Nasir. Will be a big fail, specially with no Shakib.

Mosaddek is ill, but Nasir should have been in.

This is the absolute worst squad I can remember in the 14 years I have been a cricket fan. Rubel, yuck. Riyad, yuck. Roy, meh. Sabbir meh. Imrul yuck.

One World
September 11, 2017, 12:11 PM
Your pipeline should always be at level if not higher, look how Srilanka is suffering.

Max100
September 11, 2017, 12:26 PM
Just lost interest in the series. What an idiotic selection

Kayes is selected but Nasir is not. Even though he is better fielder, okay bowler and good batsman

R0ssei
September 11, 2017, 01:48 PM
What a team selection! Pathetic!!!

Even Mullah and Sabbir look promising to me when I see Imrul, SS, Shofiul & Rubel get selected for Test. How we're even going to score 250+ with this team is beyond me.

tiger1000
September 11, 2017, 02:10 PM
Mahmudullah and Subashis are back.

Test squad for SA series:
Mushfiqur Rahim (capt), Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar, Imrul Kayes, Sabbir Rahman, Mahmudullah, Liton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam, Mustafizur Rahman, Rubel Hossain, Shafiul Islam, Taskin Ahmed, Subashis Roy, Mominul Haque

Tamim
Sarkar, he'll do ok on quicker pitches
Mominul
Mushfiq
Mahmadullah
Sabbir
Liton
Mehedi
Taskin
Roy
Mustafizur

Max100
September 11, 2017, 03:27 PM
shakibs replacement should be an allrounder like naeem islam, shuvagoto or nasir

if we dont have replacement for soumya and kayes in test, we are screwed. hope liton and mominul both plays in test

what happened to anamul? didnt papon says he wants him in the test squad

tiger1000
September 11, 2017, 04:17 PM
shakibs replacement should be an allrounder like naeem islam, shuvagoto or nasir

if we dont have replacement for soumya and kayes in test, we are screwed. hope liton and mominul both plays in test

what happened to anamul? didnt papon says he wants him in the test squad

Those guys aren't good enough

Without Shakib it literally looks like half a team

Nasir is best option, but he failed vs Australia

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 05:43 PM
should've picked a pace all rounder to fill shakib batting void, promote mehedi a spot up the order then the pace all rounder could've come in where mehedi usually does.

Think we'll miss shakib's bowling the most, but his batting loss is an issue to, he's literally two players in one.

NoName
September 11, 2017, 06:02 PM
LOL guys Riyad is Shakib's replacement!

Yankees
September 11, 2017, 06:04 PM
I just cannot understand for the life of me how Mullah and Imrul keep getting selected. It's just not fair.

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 10:31 PM
Thought they were finally done with riyad but obviously not. Imrul has a couple of really good seasons back around 2014 and because BD don't play many tests those performances have been able to keep him in the team/squad which has been fair enough. His last few tests haven't been good at all though.

Gowza
September 11, 2017, 10:42 PM
LOL guys Riyad is Shakib's replacement!

Yeah I think with shakib taking a break they wanted a replacement with experience, so riyad's it. They could've just kept with nasir though.

Jadukor
September 12, 2017, 12:25 AM
LOL guys Riyad is Shakib's replacement!

I am expecting nothing less than a fighting 29 to take us to a 100 runs after we are 70/7 in the first innings

DinRaat.
September 12, 2017, 01:12 AM
I am expecting nothing less than a fighting 29 to take us to a 100 runs after we are 70/7 in the first innings

....or Back 2 Back hundreds in both tests.

Gowza
September 12, 2017, 01:19 AM
....or Back 2 Back hundreds in both tests.

Yeah, you never know with riyad, most of the time he's pretty so so but then he'll come up with an innings or two that are hard to ignore.

anon4567
September 12, 2017, 01:30 AM
Imrul Kayes must have somehow acquired Hathuru's wife's nudes. How he keeps getting selected and put into the playing XI is beyond comprehension.

Rifat
September 12, 2017, 11:27 AM
People making a big deal about SA pacers(As they are top ranked in the world and should be), I think Imran Tahir and his supporting spinner is more than good enough to trouble Bangladesh batsmen. Tough tour coming ahead for certain.

Exclusion of Nasir is baffling to me. he should have been given a longer run.

R0ssei
September 12, 2017, 01:29 PM
^^

I thought Tahir doesn't play Tests anymore.

Krishna
September 13, 2017, 05:53 PM
শ্লোগানে শ্লোগানে সৌম্য বাদ - 'Soumya out' chants in Mirpur stadium

Soumya opens up about the constant dissatisfaction of the audience because of his selection. He said he's trying to improve. He knows the disappointments. However he also added that nowadays he's ignoring social media sites aka tweeter, fb (probably to ignore the radical racist commentators). Overall he looked unhappy there.

https://youtu.be/M6zhCvO5cGI (And don't forget to take a look at the comment box too)

aklemalp
September 13, 2017, 05:57 PM
^^

I thought Tahir doesn't play Tests anymore.

This is somewhat true. He last played a test match in 2015. All signs of him hanging up the boots in the longer format.

aklemalp
September 13, 2017, 06:17 PM
How many chances is Rubel going to get as a Test bowler?

Team management should look for new and fresh faces; not keep on recycling players who have failed in the format.

Rana Melb
September 13, 2017, 09:34 PM
Rabbi should be in... good test batting ability too

Rana Melb
September 13, 2017, 09:35 PM
Imrul has blamed his lucks for not getting runs... lol

5tonne
September 13, 2017, 09:49 PM
Imrul has blamed his lucks for not getting runs... lol

Ashraful is his guru.

NoName
September 13, 2017, 10:45 PM
Imrul has blamed his lucks for not getting runs... lol

Wonder what he will say when Rabada and co does God knows what.

RealSports
September 14, 2017, 09:27 AM
I seriously don't get the point of this tour. We saw what happened when Bangladesh toured New Zealand. A home series against South Africa would've made more sense. I'm not surprised Shakib backed away because he knows the team stands no chance especially with Mushy in charge. It's a waste of time. South Africa should rest some of their players if you ask me because the result will still be in their favour.

R0ssei
September 14, 2017, 01:53 PM
Wonder what he will say when Rabada and co does God knows what.

Well, if he plays at No. 3, then he will repeat the same story that he is an opening batsman and he can't play at No. 3. As if he made couple of double tons opening the innings. This guy made ONLY 7 50+ innings out of 58 he played.

And if he opens with Tamim, he will say he didn't open for a long time and that hampered his flow or something.

No matter what he will be making few ducks.

One World
September 14, 2017, 02:54 PM
Replace Sagor with Zahurul.

DinRaat.
September 14, 2017, 08:16 PM
Replace Sagor with Zahurul.

Or, Shahriar Nafees.

Eshen
September 15, 2017, 11:58 AM
If SN continues with his form from last two-three seasons, one from Soumya and Imrul should be chopped out to make space for him in the Test squad for the SL series.

al Furqaan
September 16, 2017, 12:31 AM
SN, Ash, Hom, Riyad, Rubel are tried and tested failures. we should rather invest in guys under 25 only among those outside the core team.

Jadukor
September 16, 2017, 12:35 AM
Can we score beyond 150 in SA? Steyn Rabada, Philander against Soumya and Kayes

Gowza
September 16, 2017, 12:39 AM
Can we score beyond 150 in SA? Steyn Rabada, Philander against Soumya and Kayes

Steyn and philander are currently unfit aren't they? Think they were meant to play some domestic matches but have said they are unfit so they may not be fit for the tour...

Cricket4All
September 16, 2017, 01:11 AM
SN, Ash, Hom, Riyad, Rubel are tried and tested failures. we should rather invest in guys under 25 only among those outside the core team.

SN = Home track bully so his selection may work as "horses for courses" only for SL series at home. He is our Usman Khawaja who only plays well at home.
Ash = We have moved passed his era of playing for respectability. Any talk about him is entirely based on past glory.
Hom = He should not have been selected for NT in the first place, Doesn't offer anything in any department.
Riyad = Well, He's a poor Test player in home condition.
Rubel = He might get a nod in ODI series depending on his form at that time.

DinRaat.
September 16, 2017, 01:14 AM
SN, Ash, Hom, Riyad, Rubel are tried and tested failures. we should rather invest in guys under 25 only among those outside the core team.


You shouldn't discriminate on age as that will get the test team nowhere. Rather discriminate on merit. Players in the 30s have been invaluable in test sides all over the world.

You can't keep on bringing raw players into test cricket and hope they can flourish, test cricket is a sport for older and more well rounded players. We should invest in players young and old, upcoming talents such as Liton should get streamlined into the team in-place of ODI hacks such as Sabbir Rahman and Soumya Sarkar. We can't go guns blazing all the time and sport a fiery lineup, or else we will be bundled out for 100 one day and score 500 the next. We need a lineup with consistency.

Test players should be like wine, as they age they get better and better, if we have a young test team, we will suffer losses for years to come, unless with prepare dust bowls at home and spin our way to victory. That being said, we should give Shahriar Nafees a definite go into the side. You look at Australian Players such as Chris Rogers, he played until he was 33-38 and he got better and better with time, but decided to give up the boots to blood young generation of players. The problem is unlike Australia, Bangladesh does not have a suitable young generation to fall back on and if we do introduce raw and young players we will inevitably be ****.

All in all we have to blood player such as Mosaddek and Liton as they have the X-Factor within them and it is clear that they are above the domestic standards.Shahriar Nafees is a special case, he has scored runs heavily and has a test hundred against a legendary Australian Side to back up his selection. Shahriar Nafees has had a consistent run in the NCL for 2-3 years now:

He averaged 40 in 2016/17
He averaged 79.44 in 15/16
He averaged 59.08 in 14/15

He definitely deserves a run in the current test side. We should'nt discriminate based on age, but rather if we discriminate based on merit, the test side could of gone a long way.

Future Test Side I would like to see

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Liton Das
3.Mominul Haque
4.Shahriar Nafees
5.Mushfiqur Rahim
6.Mosaddek Hossain
7.Shakib Al Hasan
8.Mehedi
9.Mo Shahid
10.MFizz
11.Abu Jayed Rahi

Reserve: Abdul Mazid, Naeem Islam, Abu Jayed

DinRaat.
September 16, 2017, 01:16 AM
SN = Home track bully so his selection may work as "horses for courses" only for SL series at home. He is our Usman Khawaja who only plays well at home.
Ash = We have moved passed his era of playing for respectability. Any talk about him is entirely based on past glory.
Hom = He should not have been selected for NT in the first place, Doesn't offer anything in any department.
Riyad = Well, He's a poor Test player in home condition.
Rubel = He might get a nod in ODI series depending on his form at that time.

Your comment for SN is invalid, technically all our players bar Shakib and Tamim are home track bully in tests since we barely play abroad, so that basically makes no sense.

Gowza
September 16, 2017, 02:24 AM
JP Duminy has retired from tests, immediate effect, he won't be in this test series.

brockley
September 16, 2017, 03:33 AM
Not a suprise dropped after considerable failures for years,his colour played a strong reason for why he was picked for so long.
Is Devilliers available?

Gowza
September 19, 2017, 04:58 AM
Looks like Steyn, philander and Morris will all be out, philander and Morris are definitely out for the tests (Morris back for t20 maybe) they are saying Steyn has no comeback timeline but may be looking at November for the t20 global. 21 year old lungi ngidi may make a return in the series (only played 7 FC matches, 17 list A), I'm assuming in the shorter formats.

Haven't heard anything about de villiers but am presuming he is available...

tiger1000
September 19, 2017, 09:06 AM
Not a suprise dropped after considerable failures for years,his colour played a strong reason for why he was picked for so long.
Is Devilliers available?

Duminy was talented, he just gave away his wickets in tests

He could bowl and he was a good fielder

Who do you think he kept out of the test team?

R0ssei
September 19, 2017, 10:11 AM
The test average of our batsmen against SA:

Mullah: 51.00 :notworthy:
Liton: 26.50
Mushy: 23.80 :facepalm:
Momin: 23.00
Tamim: 16.60 :o
Imrul: 13.50
SS: NA
Sabbir: NA

Not a single player has 30+ avg let alone 40+ except Mullah. We need a vast improvement on this stat.

aklemalp
September 19, 2017, 11:15 AM
What is this news of Rubel not being allowed entry into SA?

Fazal
September 19, 2017, 02:15 PM
What is this news of Rubel not being allowed entry into SA?

What he have done this time?

roman
September 19, 2017, 02:21 PM
Rubel was sent back home from Dubai airport. His name somehow matched with a notorious guy, so SA emigration didnt allow him in.

Fazal
September 19, 2017, 02:26 PM
From theDailyStar


"There were some errors during Rubel's visa process which were actually made by the South African visa authorities. There are some issues with his date of birth which caused the problem. It will take another one or two days to resolve the situation and hopefully he will be able to reach South Africa before the Test series," Akram told media yesterday.


It was earlier learned that a person named Rubel Hossain was on the South African visa authorities' blacklist, which caused the confusion.

Yankees
September 21, 2017, 09:04 AM
Due to the inclusion of Riyad, it is with a heavy heart that I must announce my indefinite retirement from Bangladesh Test cricket fandom. Much like Shakib, I too need a break from this sh*t show. Much like Rubel, my fandom visa has also been denied.

There are many reasons, but Mullah is the straw that broke the tiger's back. Mullah has done nothing to justify his place in the team. Not since his drop from the team in Sri Lanka, and not since his inclusion in the team back in 2009. 1 test century after a decade of professional cricket is not even good enough to get into AFG C team. But I digress.

I cannot support a team that treats its loyal fans like complete and utter sh*t by continuously putting a subpar product out there. See you in the ODI portion of the tour.

anon4567
September 22, 2017, 09:26 AM
What is this news of Rubel not being allowed entry into SA?

Rubel Hossain was denied entry to South Africa for a week after being confused with another Rubel Hossain from Bangladesh with the same name, DoB and other information and even looked similar who had commited criminal offences in SA. BCB had to prove that Rubel Hossain, the cricketer was not the same Rubel Hossain with a criminal record who was barred from entering South Africa.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/rubel-hossain-mistaken-identity-bangladesh-test-tour-south-africa-airport-customs-criminal-record/2017-09-22

I'd suspect its the case where many Bangladeshis who did not have a proper birth certificate got their birthdays defaulted to 01/01/YYYY on the passport, and Rubel Hossain is an extremely common name lol.

anon4567
September 22, 2017, 09:32 AM
I love how the Aussies are making fun of Rubel's test stats on Cricket.com.au's Facebook post... As if the Marsh bros are modern day test legends.

RealSports
September 22, 2017, 09:49 AM
The sad thing is that despite Rubel's poor test stats, he still gets selected time and time again. I won't at all be surprised if he's selected for the test series. He's just a waste of space in the test team. I'll have him in ODIs though. Taskin is the biggest disappointment. All he seems to bring is the bounce factor. He's not that fast of a bowler. Don't expect much in this test series, as South Africa are expected to cruise this. South Africa shouldn't even bother using their best players for this series, but it seems like they will. At least sides are taking Bangladesh seriously now. Should've been a home series instead, and I believe South Africa will be touring India anyway later. Sometimes, I don't understand the sport of cricket.

Tigers_eye
September 26, 2017, 12:43 PM
Just a reminder:

The new rules are going to start with this test.

Umpires can send player(s) back.

Tigers_eye
September 26, 2017, 12:45 PM
LAWS OF CRICKET 2017 CODE:

1. Umpires can reward opposing team 5 runs or remove players for few overs or remainder of the game for excessive appeal, misbehavior etc. (4 levels of players misbehavior) (Time outs) :)

2. In review, were the decision is "umpire's call", you don't lose the review. :great:
3. BAT SIZE: No bat can have edges more than 40mm. and thickness/depth of more than 67mm. Max width remains unchanged of 108mm.

4. BAT GROUNDED: Batsman will not be judged runout if he had grounded but when the bail was dislodged when the bat was in the air.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/video/clip?id=20311148 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/video/clip?id=20311148)

aklemalp
September 26, 2017, 12:49 PM
So, I am interested in sending those players to the dressing room. Does this mean that a team will field with minus 1 one player, as in footbal/soccer?

Tigers_eye
September 26, 2017, 01:18 PM
So, I am interested in sending those players to the dressing room. Does this mean that a team will field with minus 1 one player, as in footbal/soccer?
I don't think so. I think the extra players will be replacing only as fielders.

aklemalp
September 26, 2017, 01:20 PM
I don't think so. I think the extra players will be replacing only as fielders.

This is just for the lazy dudes who don't want to field.

5tonne
September 27, 2017, 06:36 AM
I don't like the sending away rule. The umpires already enjoy too much power in cricket. And there is the match referee. The demerit points system is working well. Players are getting fines and match bans. There is no need for cricket to follow football. Cricket is not a contact sport. No one tackles anyone here.