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Eshen
September 20, 2017, 04:29 PM
Bangladesh Squad:
Mushfiqur Rahim (C & WK), Tamim Iqbal (VC), Imrul Kayes, Liton Kumar Das, Soumya Sarkar, Mahmudullah, Sabbir Rahman, Mustafizur Rahman, Taijul Islam, Mehedi Hasan Miraz, Taskin Ahmed, Mominul Haque, Shafiul Islam and Subashish Roy

SA Invitation XI squad:
Aiden Markram (captain)‚ Tladi Bokako‚ Okuhle Cele‚ Matthew Christensen‚ Michael Cohen‚ Isaac Dikgale‚ Zubayr Hamsa‚ Heinrich Klaasen‚ Migael Pretorius‚ Yaseen Valli‚ Shaun von Berg‚ Matthew Breetzke

CI Scorecard (http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10904/game/1075500/Cricket-South-Africa-Invitation-XI-vs-Bangladesh-Tour%20Match-Bangladesh-tour-of-South-Africa)

Markram to captain SA Invitation XI (https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/cricket/2017-09-11-markram-to-captain-sa-invitation-xi/)

Gowza
September 20, 2017, 04:39 PM
Markam looking to make an impression on national selectors I'm sure, he's on the cusp of selection at current. Christensen and breetzke are two young upstarts probably also looking for an impression, both have been earmarked for big things.

brockley
September 20, 2017, 04:47 PM
Done you homework Gowza:up:.

fush_montor
September 21, 2017, 04:14 AM
Cricinfo's scorecard says tamim got retired hurt..hopefully nothing serious

Rana Melb
September 21, 2017, 04:30 AM
57/0
imrul and ss

ReZ_1
September 21, 2017, 05:42 AM
CI says we are playing with only two pace bowlers...
???

BD_TigerZ
September 21, 2017, 05:43 AM
Tamim retired hurt.. not good.

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 06:01 AM
Tamim retired hurt.. not good.

If true then lucky we took all of imrul, Soumya and liton because they can all bat top order, though they just might move imrul back to opening and move mominul back to 3.

simon
September 21, 2017, 06:23 AM
If true then lucky we took all of imrul, Soumya and liton because they can all bat top order, though they just might move imrul back to opening and move mominul back to 3.

Yes we are very lucky with Sir Imrul, Sir Soumya and Sir Liton

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 06:59 AM
Mominul and mushy getting in some time out there, great to see they're adjusting to the conditions.

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:28 AM
As per Prothom Alo, Tamim got a muscle pull, nothing too ominous.

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:33 AM
Decent innings from Momin. But his inability, in recent past, to convert fifties into a century is worrisome. Also, why to attack so much in a three day match? Trying to get rid of his Test specialist tag?

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:34 AM
Golden duck for Riyad :facepalm:

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:37 AM
Rubel finally got clearance to leave for SA. Bad luck for Kamrul Rabbi who was about to replace him.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1328776/%E0%A6%B6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B7-%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A 7%8D%E0%A6%A4-%E0%A6%A6.%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%AB%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0% A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE-%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9B%E0%A 7%87%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B2

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 07:38 AM
Oh no, not the best start to the tour for riyad.

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:40 AM
19 years old Michael Cohen wrecking havoc - 4 wickets in span of 7 balls!

Now we are down to Sabbir-Miraz...

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 07:41 AM
Far out liton got a duck to

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 07:43 AM
19 years old Michael Cohen wrecking havoc - 4 wickets in span of 7 balls!

Now we are down to Sabbir-Miraz...

They have a 16yr old (nearly 17) Gerald Coetzee, obviously not playing this match but, apparently he already bowls 140kph. He can also bat a bit to.

I'm surprised Mulder isn't in this match.

BD_TigerZ
September 21, 2017, 07:43 AM
Lmfao expected.. dullah 0(1) :facepalm:

5tonne
September 21, 2017, 07:44 AM
As per PA Tamim's injury is in his hand and not very serious. He retired just to be safe. He will still have a scan done tomorrow.

BD_TigerZ
September 21, 2017, 07:47 AM
We'll remain hopeless with Sarkar, Imrul, Riyad, Sabbir and Shafiul in the test side. The over reliance on Tamim, Mushfiq, Shakib and Miraz (in home conditions) is ridiculous.

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 07:59 AM
Tamim-Soumya-Imrul-Momin-Mushfiq-Sabbir look set for the first Test. 7th position still up for grab between Riyad and Liton. Second innings of this match will be vital for both of them.

R0ssei
September 21, 2017, 08:30 AM
4 wickets fell in 13 balls - not good at all.

Shadow
September 21, 2017, 09:14 AM
4 caught behind so far.

Shadow
September 21, 2017, 09:19 AM
Tamim-Soumya-Imrul-Momin-Mushfiq-Sabbir look set for the first Test. 7th position still up for grab between Riyad and Liton. Second innings of this match will be vital for both of them.

I think they will go with Tamim,Soumya,Imrul,Mominul,Mahmudullah,Mushfiqur and Sabbir (in that order provided mushfiqur keep wickets).

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 09:28 AM
^^ I know that's what Mushfiq wants - to hold on his gloves and keep his vaira in the playing XI. I hope Liton will do something in the second innings, give some ammo to the team management, to force Mushfiq to change his mind.

SportingBD
September 21, 2017, 09:33 AM
^^ I know that's what Mushfiq wants - to hold on his gloves and keep his vaira in the playing XI. I hope Liton will do something in the second innings, give some ammo to the team management, to force Mushfiq to change his mind.

It's hard. Time is ticking. Mushy is getting himself into a corner.

The end of his captaincy is near.

I will be shocked if he survives as captain after SA series.

R0ssei
September 21, 2017, 09:41 AM
300 up

Sabbir playing good

R0ssei
September 21, 2017, 09:47 AM
Mominul made 68 of just 73 balls hitting 9 boundaries with a shocking S/R of 93.15. I wonder if his T20 S/R is even 90+.

RealSports
September 21, 2017, 09:49 AM
I still don't understand why they still persist with an opener at #3. It hasn't worked either in Tests or ODIs. I would like to see Mominul return to #4. Ever since he has moved up to #3, things haven't quite been the same. Most of his success has come at #4. It should be Mushy who should be batting at #3 – time to give up the gloves. Liton should be a regular in the test side now. We have no choice, but to include both Taijul and Mehedi in the test side since Shakib won't be playing. I won't be surprised if we similar collapses in the test series. It's a pointless tour if you ask me. A home series against South Africa would've made more sense. Regardless, it's good to see Bangladesh getting a lot of away tours in the last twelve months or so, and that too against high quality sides.

R0ssei
September 21, 2017, 10:05 AM
BAN declared at 306/7

I wanted to see Sabbir make the highest individual score in the team. :(

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 10:47 AM
Not a bad day, we ran out one of their openers before stump.

ReZ_1
September 21, 2017, 11:07 AM
I still don't understand why they still persist with an opener at #3. It hasn't worked either in Tests or ODIs. I would like to see Mominul return to #4. Ever since he has moved up to #3, things haven't quite been the same. Most of his success has come at #4. It should be Mushy who should be batting at #3 – time to give up the gloves. Liton should be a regular in the test side now. We have no choice, but to include both Taijul and Mehedi in the test side since Shakib won't be playing. I won't be surprised if we similar collapses in the test series. It's a pointless tour if you ask me. A home series against South Africa would've made more sense. Regardless, it's good to see Bangladesh getting a lot of away tours in the last twelve months or so, and that too against high quality sides.

Mominul batted at #4 and imrul at #3
Liton scored zero in today`s match..

IndYeah
September 21, 2017, 11:26 AM
Mominul batted at #4 and imrul at #3
Liton scored zero in today`s match..

Good to see BD doing decent in the warm-up. But don't read too much into it. SA are notorius for giving you total flat tracks for warm-up and then ambushing you with a green-top.

SA are struggling a lot with fitness on the bowling front, and form issues on the batting front. Time is ripe for BD to do well. Its really unfortunate that Shaqib opted out of this series.

al Furqaan
September 21, 2017, 11:26 AM
Far out liton got a duck to

I don't understand the Liton obsession on this forum. One of the reason's Mushy sucks as WK is due to his lack of inches. Liton is a good 4-6 inches shorter than Nurul who arguably has better WK skills. And what we saw of Nurul in NZ...he doesn't look to be inferior with the bat either. I guess time will tell but, my first choice WK would be Nurul.

al Furqaan
September 21, 2017, 11:28 AM
Decent innings from Momin. But his inability, in recent past, to convert fifties into a century is worrisome. Also, why to attack so much in a three day match? Trying to get rid of his Test specialist tag?

Don't worry, I highly doubt he will make the XI. Liton and RIyad are too right handed to keep him out of the lineup.

#dumbasscoachingdecisions

Cricket4All
September 21, 2017, 11:48 AM
So only 3 players in the CSA XI has FC experience? Hmm, I guess SA board is successful in inflicting false sense of security among BD players.

NoName
September 21, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sabbir, Soumya and Imrul scored their quota of the series.

mufi_02
September 21, 2017, 12:53 PM
Sabbir, Soumya and Imrul scored their quota of the series.

haha. these trio either scores together or fails together. the dynamic triplet.

Eshen
September 21, 2017, 01:52 PM
So only 3 players in the CSA XI has FC experience? Hmm, I guess SA board is successful in inflicting false sense of security among BD players.What are you talking about? All of them have some sort of FC experience under their belt.

aklemalp
September 21, 2017, 04:28 PM
Sabbir with the run out to signal the close of play.

How good was the ball that knocked over Riyad?

Gowza
September 21, 2017, 04:40 PM
I don't understand the Liton obsession on this forum. One of the reason's Mushy sucks as WK is due to his lack of inches. Liton is a good 4-6 inches shorter than Nurul who arguably has better WK skills. And what we saw of Nurul in NZ...he doesn't look to be inferior with the bat either. I guess time will tell but, my first choice WK would be Nurul.

I'm ok with liton keeping but I think he deserves to be in the squad, maybe even the xi based on his batting.

Good to see Sabbir get some runs and stay not out.

R0ssei
September 21, 2017, 06:46 PM
Sabbir, Soumya and Imrul scored their quota of the series.

Haha! Some comment is that!

Cricket4All
September 21, 2017, 10:43 PM
What are you talking about? All of them have some sort of FC experience under their belt.

Sorry. I did not check SA players profile on CricInfo. My comment was based on Ekattor TV's sports reporting!

Cricket4All
September 22, 2017, 06:07 AM
CSA XI would not be able to score more than 230 runs.

BD batsmen will get valuable batting practice for the whole day tomorrow and it will be interesting to see whether Riyad can actually edge out Litton in terms of scoring and get selected for the first Test.

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 06:58 AM
Looks like Taijul will get the specialist spinner spot ahead of Miraz. Miraz is not being effective here even to check runs.

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 07:02 AM
Among pacers, I guess Shafiul will be the odd man out, with Fizz, Roy, Taskin being more disciplined.

DinRaat.
September 22, 2017, 07:13 AM
Among pacers, I guess Shafiul will be the odd man out, with Fizz, Roy, Taskin being more disciplined.

Taskin and discipline are two words that do not mix well.

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 07:29 AM
^^ That should tell you how bad Shafiul is.

A wicket for Miraz. I hope he is finally finding his lengths.

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 07:34 AM
SA squad declared for the 1st Test:

Faf du Plessis (captain), Hashim Amla, Temba Bavuma, Theunis de Bruyn, Quinton de Kock, Dean Elgar, Keshav Maharaj , Aiden Markram, Morne Morkel, Duanne Olivier, Wayne Parnell, Andile Phehlukwayo, Kagiso Rabada

19-year-old all-rounder Willem Mulder has been kept as a cover for Wayne Parnell, who has been recalled into the squad. Parnell will undergo a fitness Test before the first Test begind. If he is not declared fit, Willem will be with the squad.

http://www.bdcrictime.com/2017/09/markram-phehlukwayo-in-sa-squad-for-first-test/

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 07:39 AM
We can handle short balls: Mominul (http://www.bdcrictime.com/2017/09/we-can-handle-short-balls-mominul/)“Is short ball going to be a challenge or not? If you think it’s a challenge, then it’s a challenge. If you think it’s not a challenge, then it won’t be a challenge. It depends on the conditions.

“I did not feel any problem. I think everyone in our team can handle short balls. Someone plays it well, someone can leave it properly,” he said after the end of day’s play.

“Overall, I think all of our batsmen have batted well in this condition. Everyone adapted to it very well.”

aklemalp
September 22, 2017, 07:41 AM
Decent looking SA squad with some new faces.

al Furqaan
September 22, 2017, 09:50 AM
This SA practice squad is a decent one...most of the top order batsmen average above 40.

R0ssei
September 22, 2017, 10:19 AM
4 pacers are playing and still cannot wrap up the tale-enders of CSA XI. Moreover, 2 of them giving 5+ runs per over. Nice! Very nice!!!

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 10:27 AM
Liton sent to open with Kayes - that's a good sign

aklemalp
September 22, 2017, 10:28 AM
Liton sent to open with Kayes - that's a good sign

Also, necessary because of Tamim's injury?

Tigers_eye
September 22, 2017, 10:32 AM
I don't understand the Liton obsession on this forum. One of the reason's Mushy sucks as WK is due to his lack of inches. Liton is a good 4-6 inches shorter than Nurul who arguably has better WK skills. And what we saw of Nurul in NZ...he doesn't look to be inferior with the bat either. I guess time will tell but, my first choice WK would be Nurul.Nurul's Domestic performance is not as good as Liton's.

Nurul 1st Class 82 innings: 40 avg, 6 centuries, 14 50's.
Liton 1st Class 66 innings: 50 avg, 9 centuries, 15 50's. Good conversion rate. Able to play long innings.

Nurul List A 53 innings: 28 avg, 1 century, 4 50's.
Liton List A 64 innings: 39 avg, 4 century, 13 50's.

Liton is a year younger.

Nurul's WKing skills is much better than Liton and there is no doubt.

aklemalp
September 22, 2017, 10:36 AM
Shafiul and Taskin going at over 5.00

That's poor. Do they understand how to bowl a tight line and create pressure outside offstump?

What kind of fields were they bowling to?

Eshen
September 22, 2017, 11:27 AM
Also, necessary because of Tamim's injury?It could have been Soumya-Imrul opening in absence of Tamim. The coach giving Liton the chance to open instead of Soumya shows Liton has good chance to play in the first Test. He may not open in the Test, but he is getting the chance to show his batting prowess, to get a place in the XI instead of Riyad.

aklemalp
September 22, 2017, 11:30 AM
It could have been Soumya-Imrul opening in absence of Tamim. The coach giving Liton the chance to open instead of Soumya shows Liton has good chance to play in the first Test. He may not open, but he is getting the chance to show his batting prowess, to get a place in the XI instead of Riyad.

I think because majority of his FC batting positions have been opening, just by looking at some of the scorecards.

He's no stranger to the opening slot.
Hope he makes it count by being given this opportunity.

godzilla
September 22, 2017, 12:22 PM
I thought Riad was called back for test. Why didn't they let him play the practice match

NoName
September 22, 2017, 12:24 PM
I thought Riad was called back for test. Why didn't they let him play the practice match

Is this suppose to be a dig at Riyad, can't tell :lol:

roman
September 22, 2017, 01:28 PM
I thought Riad was called back for test. Why didn't they let him play the practice match

Riyaad played. He scored first ball duck

al Furqaan
September 22, 2017, 01:53 PM
Nurul's Domestic performance is not as good as Liton's.

Nurul 1st Class 82 innings: 40 avg, 6 centuries, 14 50's.
Liton 1st Class 66 innings: 50 avg, 9 centuries, 15 50's. Good conversion rate. Able to play long innings.

Nurul List A 53 innings: 28 avg, 1 century, 4 50's.
Liton List A 64 innings: 39 avg, 4 century, 13 50's.

Liton is a year younger.

Nurul's WKing skills is much better than Liton and there is no doubt.

Liton is a better Test batting prospect, but are those extra 10 runs average worth the lesser keeping skills? If it was 50 vs 30, sure. But when both average 40+ you should go with the better keeper. from what I saw in NZ Nurul is just as good as Liton with bat and negates the domestic average difference.

Plus Nurul is 4-6 inches taller and will grab those 5 wides Mushy and Liton will miss.

Imagine if OBJ had Megatron or Randy Moss' height...

godzilla
September 22, 2017, 04:11 PM
Is this suppose to be a dig at Riyad, can't tell :lol:

LOL, it actually wasn't. Since cricinfo changed their layout, i didn't click on the 1st innings arrow. But alas, he did actually play and as pointed out by Roman, first ball duck aswell :D

BengaliPagol
September 22, 2017, 07:53 PM
if Liton can score a big one here he will get a spot in the XI.

BengaliPagol
September 22, 2017, 08:02 PM
I hope its now put to bed and we can all agree that the Fizz and Roy are our best test pacers. And we have a fully fit Shahid and we have a good pace trio.

shabbir
September 22, 2017, 08:56 PM
Tamim is uncertain for 1st Test according to Kaler Konto.

5tonne
September 22, 2017, 09:04 PM
Tamim is uncertain for 1st Test according to Kaler Konto.

If this happens we will have a test match without Tamim and Shakib first time in a while. It won't necessarily be a bad thing in terms of testing the bench strength.

Gowza
September 23, 2017, 03:17 AM
Well liton certainly not helping his case.

DinRaat.
September 23, 2017, 05:40 AM
Liton is a pure case of Tushar Imran, a track/domestic bully hopefully this is the end of his selection

simon
September 23, 2017, 06:19 AM
If this happens we will have a test match without Tamim and Shakib first time in a while. It won't necessarily be a bad thing in terms of testing the bench strength.

Lol, amader abar bench strength 😆

Gowza
September 23, 2017, 06:27 AM
Sabbir with another 50.

DinRaat.
September 23, 2017, 06:34 AM
Souyma fails, Liton fails, Mulla fails, but Sabbir just keeps on scoring.

Saifulsohel
September 23, 2017, 06:43 AM
Shanto may replace injured Soumya for 1st test squad! source: channel 24

Eshen
September 23, 2017, 07:52 AM
Shanto may replace injured Soumya for 1st test squad! source: channel 24
Soumya injured too???

Shadow
September 23, 2017, 07:59 AM
Soumya injured too???

He didn't bat in second innings. We have to know the details.

roman
September 23, 2017, 08:34 AM
Soumya injured too???

Yes he is

http://www.banglanews24.com/sports/news/bd/604590.details

Roni_uk
September 23, 2017, 08:55 AM
why has the match drawn, another 2 hours of play left. The bowlers should get more practice.

SportingBD
September 23, 2017, 09:56 AM
Chandramohan stated, “Tamim Iqbal got a minor muscle injury while batting. He looks pretty good. He will train normally this week and should be available for Test match. Soumya jarred his shoulder while fielding. Its just precautionary that we kept him out of the field today but he will train normally this week.”

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/bangladesh-vs-south-africa-1st-test-tamim-iqbal-expected-to-be-available-645233

Eshen
September 23, 2017, 10:40 AM
Hope Momin will calm down and play like a Test player in the real match. His SR was 93% and 87% in the two innings - ridiculous!

Rifat
September 23, 2017, 12:44 PM
Hope Momin will calm down and play like a Test player in the real match. His SR was 93% and 87% in the two innings - ridiculous!

Nothing wrong with that. He probably found the bowling to his liking even the 181 he scored against NZ which ultimately announced his arrival to world cricket. look at his strike rate there:

66.05

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11922/scorecard/668949/Bangladesh-vs-New-Zealand-1st-Test-new-zealand-in-bangladesh-test-series/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11820/scorecard/690349/Bangladesh-vs-Sri-Lanka-2nd-Test-sri-lanka-in-bangladesh-test-series/

Virender Shewag, Brendan McCullum and David Warner also have very high SR and solid averages in test cricket :)

Eshen
September 23, 2017, 01:14 PM
^^ Well, Momin is no Sewag. He has been playing poorly in last three years. Any other Test team in the world would have given him the boot by now. But, since it's Bangladesh team, he still getting few more chances. It will be better for him if he puts some real effort, instead of this sort of harakiri style batting.

Rifat
September 23, 2017, 01:55 PM
^^ Well, Momin is no Sewag. He has been playing poorly in last three years. Any other Test team in the world would have given him the boot by now. But, since it's Bangladesh team, he still getting few more chances. It will be better for him if he puts some real effort, instead of this sort of harakiri style batting.

I am not going to confuse Risk Free batting with Higher Strike rate. You can have an low SR but your batting is very Edgy or filled with improper shot selection (Imrul Kayes). If he is making those boundaries all along the ground without any risk, I don't see any issues. Moeen Ali's 2nd innings against West Indies in the 2nd test is a good example of that.

For the Record, Mominul did get the boot. it was until BCB president intervened to reinstate him back in. Mominul's weakness against Quality Off-spin was exposed. In the earlier parts of his career, most of his centuries + fifties came against attacks that have 85% all Seam Attack. Even Against England on a testing trying track he has a quality fifty(BD won that match with Tamim's hundred too). Even in NZ, he got a fifty. He definitely has it in him. Nobody is perfect. Everybody has some form of technical weakness, it's only a matter of time before it gets exposed.

Eshen I really enjoy reading your posts. none of this was meant a dig at you but rather defending Mominul's style of play. Some players like Shakib and Momin play the way they do because if they don't they go into a shell and that further hurts their gameplay than help it.

One of the major Reason's why Mominul has such poor form in the last three years is that he was kicked out of the ODI team and you can't substitute NCL/BCL/BPL for international match experience so it's a little bit unfair to him. Even with these long breaks and gaps, He did reasonably ok, albeit not great. We should persist with him, he is a very hard worker, someone with a proven track record to work on his weaknesses, someone who puts his head down and gets the job done. If Bangladesh are to progress higher up in Test rankings we need more Batsmen like him.

Gowza
September 23, 2017, 07:02 PM
Well at least shanto is getting recognition for good performances by being mentioned as possible replacement.

I wouldn't worry about mominul, he's scoring runs, even when out of form he's too good to not have in the test team. Sabbir is actually making a nice case for himself, interesting thing about Sabbir is his FC record is better than his list A record.

Really disappointed with liton. Imrul yet again, he's almost like riyad, he just does enough, especially when he's down and out and really being scrutinised, ok he didn't have a great warm up match but compared to others he did alright.

al Furqaan
September 23, 2017, 08:42 PM
Mominul could score hundreds and dumbassinghe would find an excuse to drop him for Tushar Imran.

DinRaat.
September 23, 2017, 10:03 PM
Mominul could score hundreds and dumbassinghe would find an excuse to drop him for Tushar Imran.

Mominul was dropped because he was poor against spin in SL, for a solid 3/4 batsmen you need to be atleast sound at spin. Maybe that is why he was replaced.

The coach surely knows him better than us fans, no reason to call him dumbassingha

Gowza
September 23, 2017, 11:02 PM
Mominul was dropped because he was poor against spin in SL, for a solid 3/4 batsmen you need to be atleast sound at spin. Maybe that is why he was replaced.

The coach surely knows him better than us fans, no reason to call him dumbassingha

Mominul was in poor form but regardless I don't think there is anyone better than him that could've taken his spot, he's clearly world class. We've got mushy, tamim and shakib and mominul imo no doubt is the next certainty for the test team, at least as far as batting.

ahnaf
September 24, 2017, 12:14 AM
^^ Well, Momin is no Sewag. He has been playing poorly in last three years. Any other Test team in the world would have given him the boot by now. But, since it's Bangladesh team, he still getting few more chances. It will be better for him if he puts some real effort, instead of this sort of harakiri style batting.

No other test team in the world plays 6 test matches over the course of 2 years.

He plays 6 match in 24 months, people expect him to do wonders with the bat? :facepalm:

In the last 3 years, he has averaged 36.29 with the bat.

He is doing poorly? Even by international standard he is doing okay.

Since he became a test specialist or you can say since haturi came on, his avg is going down. We are not playing enough test matches, or haturi not giving him the confidence that does with other players, changing his batting position, spreading rumors about his weakness (first it was short balls, now its spin). Take your pick.

salu
September 24, 2017, 12:44 AM
We want to kicked out all the current player if they fail to score in one or two innings.But why we forget these player scored against high quality bowling.
secondly we advise the selectors to take new players in the team after showing one or two good innings, but we have to think these young players doing good against weaker side like second or academy side.
pls. think national side is tougher then other side means a team or academy.
so, club , region is far behind then national side.

we have a tendency to kick out the national player within a day and want to welcome young or non successful player of side within one day .

BE PATIENT ,THESE PLAYERS WILL GIVE US GOOD MOMENT

Tigers_eye
September 24, 2017, 09:03 AM
Thank you Salu. What a wonderful and thoughtful post to read.

al Furqaan
September 24, 2017, 02:37 PM
Mominul was dropped because he was poor against spin in SL, for a solid 3/4 batsmen you need to be atleast sound at spin. Maybe that is why he was replaced.

The coach surely knows him better than us fans, no reason to call him dumbassingha

Not the coach's first braindead move.

Sabbir got a debut before Mosaddek. Shanto got a debut before him too. Liton gets picked ahead of the far better WK. Mushfiq's role in team undefined. Picks Shafiul ahead of Taskin.

Thats 5-6 moves even a retard wouldnt make. The only people who should be offended are dumbasses.

DinRaat.
September 24, 2017, 05:36 PM
Not the coach's first braindead move.

Sabbir got a debut before Mosaddek. Shanto got a debut before him too. Liton gets picked ahead of the far better WK. Mushfiq's role in team undefined. Picks Shafiul ahead of Taskin.

Thats 5-6 moves even a retard wouldnt make. The only people who should be offended are dumbasses.

Yea, that's the same dumbass that won us 5 back to back bilateral series, ensured we qualified for the CT, and took us to the QF of the WC.

tiger1000
September 24, 2017, 05:39 PM
Yea, that's the same dumbass that won us 5 back to back bilateral series, ensured we qualified for the CT, and took us to the QF of the WC.

Even a good coach can make poor choices

DinRaat.
September 24, 2017, 06:20 PM
Even a good coach can make poor choices

I'm not defending his blunders, its just that hathurusingha hasn't done anything of great proportions that justifies him being called a dumbass/dumbass singha.

Coaches make mistakes, but if he was a **** coach, then I would not have said anything, but Hathuru has got results, to justify his role has the Head Coach of Bangladesh.

al Furqaan
September 24, 2017, 07:33 PM
Yea, that's the same dumbass that won us 5 back to back bilateral series, ensured we qualified for the CT, and took us to the QF of the WC.

How many runs and wickets did he take? Last I checked it was 0 and 0. Players go out there and win, not dumbasses.

DinRaat.
September 24, 2017, 07:43 PM
How many runs and wickets did he take? Last I checked it was 0 and 0. Players go out there and win, not dumbasses.

So your insinuating that Hathurusingha had no contribution to our 5 B2B bilateral series wins, test wins against Eng and SL and Aus.

Its human nature to blame someone when they make mistakes, but look at all the good he has done to the team. He is more successful then all the the past Bangladesh coaches combined.

tiger1000
September 24, 2017, 08:38 PM
I'm not defending his blunders, its just that hathurusingha hasn't done anything of great proportions that justifies him being called a dumbass/dumbass singha.

Coaches make mistakes, but if he was a **** coach, then I would not have said anything, but Hathuru has got results, to justify his role has the Head Coach of Bangladesh.

He's done good at his job, but let's not compare him to previous coaches as they faced different challenges

As for his odi results, you'll find it turned around as soon as mashrafe took over, you'll also find few matches mashrafe took over previously, he established his method, example being Bristol 10, he's carried same method post 2014

Test cricket, he did good job in making sure Shakib and tamim took over in England match, he did well to make sure we didn't fall apart after first match vs Sri Lanka

He's done well, but often he's been overrated, take out mashrafe and hathurusingha won't be half the coach

al Furqaan
September 24, 2017, 11:48 PM
So your insinuating that Hathurusingha had no contribution to our 5 B2B bilateral series wins, test wins against Eng and SL and Aus.

Its human nature to blame someone when they make mistakes, but look at all the good he has done to the team. He is more successful then all the the past Bangladesh coaches combined.

I'm not insinuating. I am saying very clearly Hathu's role in whatever success we've had is bare bones minimal.

At most he's gotten the team to start believing they can win. But if its that simple or that easy, then how do you explain a Hathu coached team collapsing to 58 all out while chasing a mere 100+ against India's A team at home? Did they fail on Hathu's instructions?

If its so easy, why didn't the other coaches have the same alleged success?

The reality is Hathu inherited a team that had more talent at every position in which the all the key players were reaching the prime of their career - age 25+.

Siddons would have got the same success from this bunch.

Had he at least been honest about his decisions, he would have gotten a few extra points.

iDumb
September 24, 2017, 11:57 PM
Siddons would have got the same success from this bunch.

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Tamim actually in one of his interview said this.... Siddons did all the hard work and the fruits are being enjoyed by the new coach. At least for his performance...Tamim always speaks highly of siddons.

I agree somewhat with this take of Al furqaan. Hathuri is good but it is not necessarily his coaching that transformed the team all of a sudden. He didn't create mustafiz.. Shakib don't even like him.. Tamim credits siddons... Mushfique thinks he is the king...and who is gonna boss mashrafee??

those are the above guys who actually won us games last 2 to 3 years. A lot of losses were from mushfiques captaincy also prior to 2015 causing self belief to tank.. Tigers are usually at their best when they sniff victory. you can sense it.

Rifat
September 25, 2017, 12:21 AM
For What it's worth, Haturasinghe is a good tactician. People like Kumar Sangakkara(himself a living legend) spoke very highly of him. Bangladesh in 2014 had many issues all happening at the same time, disciplinary issues, team disunity, Mushy Captaincy, players going off form, the limited success which they were not used to + excessive premature media praises got to their heads. Haturasinghe came in and immediately he instilled a sense of discipline and a sense of purpose. Bangladesh Alhamdulillah always had the talented players but sometimes they lacked direction or purpose or a lack of self belief(It's a cycle of lack of matches + plus how we were treated in the international arena and a sense of low self esteem). There was a time when the players were satisfied with very very little. but now, even when you scored a fifty in the last match, your spot is in immediate danger if you don't perform in the next match(case in point: Mominul Haque). This was not the case even in 2014. Sure, Coach Haturasinghe cannot and should not take credit for unearthing Fizz or Mehedi Miraz but he has a clear understanding of the game. And of course, The coach tries different theories, some of them work and some of them don't.


We should Remember England was 100/0 in the second test match and Coach fired the boys up and the rest is history. In 2015, when Bangladesh did a lap of honor to acknowledge fans after beating Afghanistan, Coach had a good talk with the boys and told them, "what the hell are you trying to achieve here" why did you come here. Head coaches job is not to teach technique but his job is to formulate a team or a vision or a strategy match by match in addition to bringing the best out of each and every player. Sure, we can argue, many National bound players took Inspiration from Mashrafee, the coach played his role too. Love or Hate Soumya, you can't deny that It was purely Hatura who chose Soumya out of nowhere because Haturasinghe understands the game and understands certain players potential that many other people don't. Even in Test Cricket Soumya is doing not too bad excluding last series, where this guy has absolutely close to nonexistent domestic stats.

Haturasinghe is not perfect, but he has to take credit from the rut we were in 2014 to where we are today. It's the little things that count and he certainly has left a big positive mark in Bangladesh cricket history no doubt.

I do agree that coaching a side that has vastly experienced players like Tamim, Shakib and the wisdom of Mashrafee is a lot easier than coaching a bunch of 20 ish year olds vastly inexperienced and lacking self belief and maybe skills not up to international mark. I can definitely sympathize with Jamie Siddons, Shane Jurgensen and Stuart Law on that. They definitely had it tougher than now. It's not the national team coaches job to teach you how to bat or ball, you should be good enough to make it to the national team through Academy coaches.

iDumb
September 25, 2017, 12:34 AM
Good post Rifat. I actually came back to the thread to add something but you ahve already mentioned. If sarker and sabbir (specially sarker) become our pillars in test/ODI format, then no doubt hathuri can take credit for them.

I personally like both of these players and back hathuri on their selection...yes in tests also. Much better than that poser Mahmudildo.

DinRaat.
September 25, 2017, 01:15 AM
I'll try to avoid going all sage or Gandalf like but to top it all of, as a fan you may be against Hathurusingha, but as a human its decency to not call someone a dumbass/ dumbass singha just because you do not share the same views or your favourite player has been benched.