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Krishna
October 2, 2017, 12:00 PM
দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার বিপক্ষে পচেফস্ট্রুম টেস্ট যেভাবে বাংলাদেশ হেরেছে, তাতে ব্যাটসম্যান-বোলারের উভয়ের দায় দেখা যেতে পারে। মুশফিকও দেখছেন। তবে এই লজ্জার হারে ক্ষোভটা যেন বোলারদের ওপরই বেশি ঝাড়লেন বাংলাদেশ টেস্ট অধিনায়ক।

দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার প্রথাগত উইকেট দেখা যায়নি পচেফস্ট্রুম। টেস্ট শুরুর আগের দিন মুশফিক নিজেও জানিয়েছিলেন উইকেট অনেক শুকনো। সব জেনেও কেন টস জিতে ফিল্ডিং নিলেন? আজ ম্যাচ শেষে এ নিয়ে যে লম্বা উত্তর দিলেন, তাতে বোলারদের ওপর মুশফিকের অনাস্থাই ফুটে উঠল, ‘সবাই মিলে সিদ্ধান্ত নিয়েছি। দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকায় এমন উইকেট হবে অনুমান করা কঠিন। যতই ফ্ল্যাট উইকেট হোক, যদি সুবিধা নিতে চান, সেটা প্রথম দুই ঘণ্টায় নিতে হবে। বলতে পারেন না টস জিতে ব্যাটিং নিয়েই ৫০০ রান করতে পারতাম। ঠিকভাবে খেলতে পারলে তৃতীয় দিনে অনেক ভালো রান করতে পারতাম (প্রথম ইনিংসে)। হ্যাঁ, বলতে পারতাম, ফ্ল্যাট উইকেটে ব্যাটিং (শুরুতেই) করতে পারতাম। তবে ফ্ল্যাট উইকেটে আমাদের বোলাররা বোলিং করতে পারবে, এটা কখনোই বিশ্বাস করি না।’
নিজের বোলারদের দিকে সমালোচনার তির ছোড়া মুশফিকের নতুন নয়। তবে আজ রাখঢাক না রেখেই সতীর্থ বোলারদের রীতিমতো ধুয়ে দিলেন অধিনায়ক, ‘ফ্ল্যাট উইকেটে আপনি উইকেট না পান, ঠিক জায়গায় বোলিং তো করতে পারেন। সে জন্যই তো জাতীয় দলে খেলছেন। কিন্তু আপনি এমন নয়। তাহলে আমিও তো ছয়টা বলের মধ্যে দুইটা লাইনে ফেলতে পারতাম। প্রথম ইনিংসে বোলাররা আমাকে অনেক হতাশ করেছে। এক সেশনে উইকেট না পান, রানটা আটকে রাখতে পারেন, যেটা দলকে কাজে দেয়। ৫০০-৫৫০ রানের বোঝা নিয়ে খেলা আর ৩০০-৪০০ রানের বিপক্ষে খেলা দুই রকম ব্যাপার..See more at -
http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1336081/নিজের-বোলারদের-ধুয়ে-দিলেন-মুশফিক

Roy_1
October 2, 2017, 12:05 PM
Should not have done that in front of media, he himself did a piss poor job as a captain.

NoName
October 2, 2017, 12:06 PM
Just sack him please

aklemalp
October 2, 2017, 12:08 PM
I don't understand bangla, but saw the english part in the title.

Why he blaming the bowlers when he was the sole reason why they were flayed?

simon
October 2, 2017, 12:08 PM
Well despite of poor decisions and defensibe captaincy I will say Mushy is right to be angry on our bowlers.
Can't take wickets, can't contain runs.
Pathetic.

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 12:24 PM
He is right to complain. Beside Shakib (and maybe Miraz) the rest of the bowling unit is non existent. "Dhuye dilen" is such a poor description.

Tigers_eye
October 2, 2017, 12:31 PM
He is right to complain. ....
Really? You win the toss, can't read the pitch, don't bat first and it is the bowlers fault?

Team scores below par in the first innings and it is the bowlers fault?

Team gets all out in 5th day for 90 runs. It is the bowlers fault?

+++

I think you are a SA supporter. Otherwise, why would you support this type of captain? He is the opponent's 12th man. :facepalm:

Taka na khaiye opponent're help koray. Volunteer helper for SA Cricket team. He should give them his bank account # to give him some reward like Hasina gives in wins.

I don't think he has any right to complain.

Krishna
October 2, 2017, 12:35 PM
' হ্যাঁ, বলতে পারতাম, ফ্ল্যাট উইকেটে ব্যাটিং (শুরুতেই) করতে পারতাম। তবে ফ্ল্যাট উইকেটে আমাদের বোলাররা বোলিং করতে পারবে, এটা কখনোই বিশ্বাস করি না।’'

Translation- 'Yes you can say we could have bat first. But I never believe our bowlers can bowl (well) in flat pitches'

WTF he's trying to say here?! :-/

Mushy according to your very own logic why you would you bowl first then!! This doesn't make any sense Any captain who thought his bowlers are incapable to bowl in flat tracks won't bowl first on a flat pitch!!

This is not even a 'excuse'.. :lol:

I don't understand this guys logic.

Anyone explain :facepalm:

Fazal
October 2, 2017, 12:38 PM
This is nothing new for Rahim. While good captains like Mashrafee absorb the pressure and protect his young guns from press, a captain like Rahim can only can duck and deflect pressure and throw his young guns under the road in press.

Press is not about talking the truth (of your version), its more on leadership and diplomacy and keep the team united against external pressure.

I am not surprised at all. We have seen this type of behavior from Rahim so many times in the past, there is no reason to be surprised at all. Again he proved that he has very little leadership quality and how he crumble under pressure and abundant his team to save his sorry as$.

Out_You_Go
October 2, 2017, 12:38 PM
Effing idiot. If Papon is seeing this, he better kicks this clown's a$$ out of captaincy immediately after this series.

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 12:44 PM
Really? You win the toss, can't read the pitch, don't bat first and it is the bowlers fault?

Team scores below par in the first innings and it is the bowlers fault?

Team gets all out in 5th day for 90 runs. It is the bowlers fault?

+++

I think you are a SA supporter. Otherwise, why would you support this type of captain? He is the opponent's 12th man. :facepalm:

Taka na khaiye opponent're help koray. Volunteer helper for SA Cricket team. He should give them his bank account # to give him some reward like Hasina gives in wins.

I don't think he has any right to complain.

calm down TE bhai. I may not agree with you but that doesn't mean I am SA supporter.

Mushy deserves criticisms and that is being discussed elsewhere. There are many reasons for this loss. But here we are talking about the severe incompetence of our seam bowlers.

I have not seen any improvement in our bowling attack for the last year or so. We can't take wickets. And we can't contain the runs. The absence of Shakib only highlighted the issue. None of them can keep a consistent line and length. You don't need to be intimidating with bouncers, Yorkers, and short balls. Just stick with the basic and bowl on the 4th/5th on a consistent basis.

As I said, I am not happy with Mushy's captaincy. But let's not forget the issue of these pathetic bowling unit by focusing only on Mushy's incompetence.

Fazal
October 2, 2017, 01:00 PM
The official norm is captain select the final 11 team. Are those our best FBs who deserved ahead of the other FBs? Should he take the blame for selecting the wrong bowlers?

All SA experts said its a dead pitch and Rahim was expecting miracle from our FBs in 1st innings? Should he be man enough to take the responsibility?


Again the team was with 3 FB and one all rounder category spinner. if our FB are that bad, (And captain should know that in advance), why the heck Taizul ( the specialized spinner) was not taken? Sakib was not there, and he should know that Riyad is no longer your 5th bowler. Will he ever take any responsibilities?

Have he seen how some of his batsman get out? Yes some of them were against very good bowling, but then some of them were very silly.... and those silly mistakes were done by his relatively experienced batsmans. How come he didn't have any to say that in the media? Why pick the young guns and not pick his buddies for criticism.

He is a midget allright, but he is not your innocent little guy... he is clickbuzz..dhanda baaz... will do and say anything to save his and his inlaws as$ at the cost of anything.

One World
October 2, 2017, 01:28 PM
This has been the scenario for an illegitimate period of time. You ruin your chances by making poor decisions. Then you fail to capitalize on pressure situations. By the end of first days play you embrace the inevitable while fantasizing and daydreaming about miracle. Then in the name of giving 200% you cannot even make a fifty in most favorable batting condition.

Next steps finger pointing.

Every time he will speak about something what is called BHAG in managerial terms. But, there is no objective scrutiny or learning from past mistakes. You set up your mission and follow the script by knowing that you will fail eventually.

This minnow mentality, the fear of achieving the best (as Zeeshan wrote in one of his post), the inability to groom and replace a proper taller wicket-keeper batsman with the diminutive captain just because of the whole BCB management top to bottom along with players were going through some mental handicap has cost us a lot.

This pessimism, losing before trying needs to go.

If you have a Big Hairy Audacious Goal, you better be proactive. You appraise it and make it a challenge. Stretch it and use measurement, deploy a mini intelligence team on the field and quantify your options in every little window of opportunity. Improve team building. I think we lack hugely in this.

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 01:45 PM
The official norm is captain select the final 11 team. Are those our best FBs who deserved ahead of the other FBs? Should he take the blame for selecting the wrong bowlers?


No. It is the think tank which is comprised of captain/coach/senior players that makes the decisions on toss and final XI. Mushy has no leverage over Haturi.

It is an extremely poor strategy form captain, coach, management, and all the senior players involved.

Tigers_eye
October 2, 2017, 01:47 PM
calm down TE bhai. ..Kothai paro na abar....

Safer supporter = Mufi. :goal:

Eshen
October 2, 2017, 01:49 PM
Not totally invalid criticism, we also been saying bowlers lost their even basic discipline since Walsh became the coach. However, he is not owning up to his own mistakes and putting the whole blame on others - that's just another example of his horrible leadership skills.

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 01:56 PM
Kothai paro na abar....

Safer supporter = Mufi. :goal:

sure. if disagreeing with you makes me an SAF supporter then sure lets go with that. I was trying to have a respectful meaningful discussion but those days are gone in BC.

have a nice day!

Yankees
October 2, 2017, 02:02 PM
I think you are a SA supporter. Otherwise, why would you support this type of captain? He is the opponent's 12th man. :facepalm:

Taka na khaiye opponent're help koray. Volunteer helper for SA Cricket team. He should give them his bank account # to give him some reward like Hasina gives in wins.

I don't think he has any right to complain.

He's not the 12th man, he is the SA's Man of the match.

Pathetic captaincy on the field and even more pathetic captaincy off the field.

6alltheway
October 2, 2017, 02:17 PM
This is nothing new for Rahim. While good captains like Mashrafee absorb the pressure and protect his young guns from press, a captain like Rahim can only can duck and deflect pressure and throw his young guns under the road in press.

Press is not about talking the truth (of your version), its more on leadership and diplomacy and keep the team united against external pressure.

I am not surprised at all. We have seen this type of behavior from Rahim so many times in the past, there is no reason to be surprised at all. Again he proved that he has very little leadership quality and how he crumble under pressure and abundant his team to save his sorry as$.

Spot on.

I think mahmadullah should be next captain

Eclipse
October 2, 2017, 02:17 PM
Glad to see that mushy has finally become a man. Way to go mushy. Make ur country proud :lol:

Tigers_eye
October 2, 2017, 02:25 PM
sure. ...
have a nice day!Herio Mufi. ei Rag korso? Rag koiro na. Rag'er kisu nai. Mushfique're tho forum'a pai na tai.... Dudh'er shad gholey mitai ar ki. Tomar ek ta famous hashi asey na? Oi da diya dao. :)

al Furqaan
October 2, 2017, 02:47 PM
Rahim has always thrown people under the bus. Thats the downside of his leadership.

But the toss and field settings aren't as much of an issue these days as it was a few years ago. Hathu I'm sure dictacted what decision to make if we won the toss, Mushy doesn't have that authority. Hathu has made stupid decisins for a while now.

Barring Fizz, bowlers have been disappointing. Taijul should have played given the success of Maharaj and Mominul. But hindsight is 20-20.

Rinathq
October 2, 2017, 03:00 PM
Rahim has always thrown people under the bus. Thats the downside of his leadership.

But the toss and field settings aren't as much of an issue these days as it was a few years ago. Hathu I'm sure dictacted what decision to make if we won the toss, Mushy doesn't have that authority. Hathu has made stupid decisins for a while now.

Barring Fizz, bowlers have been disappointing. Taijul should have played given the success of Maharaj and Mominul. But hindsight is 20-20.

whats the upside in his leadership? just curious

Yankees
October 2, 2017, 03:15 PM
whats the upside in his leadership? just curious

:lol::lol:

SportingBD
October 2, 2017, 03:36 PM
I think some of the members that defend Mushfiqur should pursue career in politics. I mean, they are very smart, they criticize him at the same time include team management/seniors etc. They like to remain in the middle;). I call them diplomats.

This Mushfiqur is a fraud, a political con. Get rid of him, and all those silly team manage fault etc will suddenly disappear. And it will be this same diplomats that will be like, yeah it was the right decision to remove Mushfiqur, like I/we said.. hahahah...

Fazal
October 2, 2017, 03:42 PM
No. It is the think tank which is comprised of captain/coach/senior players that makes the decisions on toss and final XI. Mushy has no leverage over Haturi.

It is an extremely poor strategy form captain, coach, management, and all the senior players involved.
How come mashrafee has more say in team selection than rahim? Is it a matter of he want that title at any cost? Or he is too afraid to speak up infront of haturu. Either way he is the problem, not doing his job what he is supposed to do.

SportingBD
October 2, 2017, 03:45 PM
^His a little child, he is afraid of Hathura. In case Coach shouts at him.

A child should not lead a nation. A child that is immature can not lead men.

adamnsu
October 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Glad to see that mushy has finally become a man. Way to go mushy. Make ur country proud :lol:

Mushy will be more than a man than you will ever be. Atleast Mushfiqur represents his own country, you on the other hand don't

Roy_1
October 2, 2017, 03:53 PM
Prothom Alo being a top mainstream newspaper should refrain from using cheap street lingos like this. Next what "Khoche giye aar ektu hole Taskin ke keliyei diten Mushy"!!

Yankees
October 2, 2017, 04:02 PM
How come mashrafee has more say in team selection than rahim? Is it a matter of he want that title at any cost? Or he is too afraid to speak up infront of haturu. Either way he is the problem, not doing his job what he is supposed to do.

So either BCB and Hatura treats the captains differently (unlikely). Or Mushy pretends to have no say to deflect criticism like a little b*tch (highly likely).

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 04:19 PM
I think some of the members that defend Mushfiqur should pursue career in politics. I mean, they are very smart, they criticize him at the same time include team management/seniors etc. They like to remain in the middle;). I call them diplomats.

This Mushfiqur is a fraud, a political con. Get rid of him, and all those silly team manage fault etc will suddenly disappear. And it will be this same diplomats that will be like, yeah it was the right decision to remove Mushfiqur, like I/we said.. hahahah...

if you want to take a dig at me then grow some balls instead of hiding and being implicit. if you want to have a mature discussion then be like fazal and others with valid counterpoints. otherwise just shut the hell up.

and go haha somewhere else. I don't like to remain in the middle. I believe the problem with seamers (which the article talks about and is discussion of this thread). But you can't read Bangla so why should I even bother.

I know you have created nicks in the past such as "MufiIsGay" and multiple others. But I have looked past those cheap immature shots. so from here on out, just plz do me a favor and don't ever quote me or imply anything related to me.

mufi_02
October 2, 2017, 04:23 PM
How come mashrafee has more say in team selection than rahim? Is it a matter of he want that title at any cost? Or he is too afraid to speak up infront of haturu. Either way he is the problem, not doing his job what he is supposed to do.

Because Mashrafi is more authoritative and posses the leadership skills. he can rally the team and the other 10 people will follow him no matter what. we all know Mushy doesn't command the same respect and authority over the team. I do believe it is the right time for leadership change. But even if we remove him, will this problem of pathetic bowling unit go away?

Mash will not the lead test team. Let's say we get Shakib/Tamim as captain. But the problem will still linger. To win test (esp in non Asian conditions) we need sharp and accurate seamers and the starting pacers or the bench doesn't inspire much confidence.

NoName
October 2, 2017, 04:37 PM
Mufi, after watching BD play many years you should know our pacers do not and still not know how to bowl on flat pitches. Mushfiq has been our test captain for years now and has seen us bowl on highways so I don't know who he is trying to kid.

SportingBD
October 2, 2017, 04:50 PM
if you want to take a dig at me then grow some balls instead of hiding and being implicit. if you want to have a mature discussion then be like fazal and others with valid counterpoints. otherwise just shut the hell up.

and go haha somewhere else. I don't like to remain in the middle. I believe the problem with seamers (which the article talks about and is discussion of this thread). But you can't read Bangla so why should I even bother.

I know you have created nicks in the past such as "MufiIsGay" and multiple others. But I have looked past those cheap immature shots. so from here on out, just plz do me a favor and don't ever quote me or imply anything related to me.

Lol. This was your chance to bring this 'Mufi gay' discussion here, been waiting for this chance a long time. When the matter was already moved on as per our discussion.

There is no dig, it was very obvious your the only poster defending the shameful Mushfiqur Rahim. Yet like your usual post, the diplomatic nature hasn't gone...

adamnsu
October 2, 2017, 04:59 PM
Crying maturity from a guy who has prejudice over a Bangladeshi private university. It's a bit rich IMO

tiger1000
October 2, 2017, 07:09 PM
calm down TE bhai. I may not agree with you but that doesn't mean I am SA supporter.

Mushy deserves criticisms and that is being discussed elsewhere. There are many reasons for this loss. But here we are talking about the severe incompetence of our seam bowlers.

I have not seen any improvement in our bowling attack for the last year or so. We can't take wickets. And we can't contain the runs. The absence of Shakib only highlighted the issue. None of them can keep a consistent line and length. You don't need to be intimidating with bouncers, Yorkers, and short balls. Just stick with the basic and bowl on the 4th/5th on a consistent basis.

As I said, I am not happy with Mushy's captaincy. But let's not forget the issue of these pathetic bowling unit by focusing only on Mushy's incompetence.

On a flat pitch bowlers need every help they can get, what mushfiq is saying is basically we could have batted first, but bowlers should have despite of my incompetence

'So what I chose to bowl first on a flat deck like a retard

So what I didn't give any close on fielders

So what I didn't give any tactical advice

So what I didn't give the new ball to the seamers

They should have bowled better'

That's is effectively what he said

Whilst maybe it is true, it's pathetic of the highest order

Fazal
October 2, 2017, 07:53 PM
Because Mashrafi is more authoritative and posses the leadership skills. he can rally the team and the other 10 people will follow him no matter what. we all know Mushy doesn't command the same respect and authority over the team. I do believe it is the right time for leadership change. But even if we remove him, will this problem of pathetic bowling unit go away?

So you agree Musfiq lacks the leadership quality that a decent captain needs.


Now will removing Musfiq solved all the problem? No, but it will be a big step to the right direction. When a bad captain leads a good team of players, eventually the team disintegrate. How you address it? First change the captain. And that's what we need to do as a first step.


Mash will not the lead test team. Let's say we get Shakib/Tamim as captain. But the problem will still linger.

I kind of disagree. At present Sakib or Tamim will do a good job for now. Their problem is elsewhere, not leadership quality or intelligence that both these quality Rahim lacks.


To win test (esp in non Asian conditions) we need sharp and accurate seamers and the starting pacers or the bench doesn't inspire much confidence.

We have what we have. And the captain should know what we have and how to use it wisely. In fist innings Rahim win the toss and elected to field with the assumption that it will help the FBs during the 1st session. Then he let his FBs bowl 4 overs (with Taskin yet to bowl) and suddenly brought Miraj in the 5th over. And you still think its Haturu Daa or FB's fault? Shouldn't he stick with his own plan a little bit longer?

Also if our bowling is the weak link, then how come we chose 1 batsman more and one bowler short in the the team when we already know that a) Mustafiz is still recovering from injury, b) Two fragile bowler in Taskin and Saiful and no specialized spinner; only with young spinner (Miraj) still learning and trying to be our 2nd spinner. What was the logic behind further weakening your weak link by selection one less bowler?

Rifat
October 2, 2017, 09:42 PM
So many inconsistencies and contradictions...He has to be sacked as captain.

one such example:

If he was expecting his seamers to deliver then why on earth was there no slips in place most of the time? I remember one of Shafiul's delivery wasbeen edged to slip if there was someone there to make a chance out of it.

Every other criticism has been rightly pointed by others. It's time to look for alternatives...

Eclipse
October 3, 2017, 03:15 AM
So many inconsistencies and contradictions...He has to be sacked as captain.

one such example:

If he was expecting his seamers to deliver then why on earth was there no slips in place most of the time? I remember one of Shafiul's delivery wasbeen edged to slip if there was someone there to make a chance out of it.

Every other criticism has been rightly pointed by others. It's time to look for alternatives...

Isn't it quite obvious? He removed his slip fielders because his bowlers weren't performing the way he expected them to perform.


No captain in this world would keep slip fielders for a prolonged period of time if his mediocre bowlers kept bowling 2/3 boundary balls in every single over.


It's easy to criticize a captain for not having enough fielders in catching position, but u haven to understand the fact that if mushy had put 2/3 fielders behind the stump his Bowers would give 10/12 runs in every single over. As a captain he had to consider that fact too.


Look at the quality of bowlers he has to deal with. He doesn't have starc, bhuvi or rabada in his team. Instead he has Bowlers like Taskin and shafiul who aren't fit enough to play for a good domestic teams let alone representing a national side.

DinRaat.
October 3, 2017, 03:30 AM
Taskin Ahmed, takes the word garbage to a whole new level, embarassing that some veteran fans think he is so talent.

Max100
October 3, 2017, 03:53 AM
mushfiq should get blamed. he is an idiot and worst captain ever, need to kick him out asap

jeesh
October 3, 2017, 04:58 AM
Bowlers getting heat, but batters are no better.

Getting bundled out for less than hundred is like going back to early Test status level cricket.

They were resigned to defeat from onset, no grit, no willingness to fight.

How the hell can we lose 7 wickets to a SLA like Maharaj in conditions where there isnt much support. Its a real shame considering the amount of SLA's these guys play in domestic cricket, in practice nets.

Night_wolf
October 3, 2017, 05:18 AM
I wish ami mushfik re aktu dhuye dite partam, or cap ta onek moyla hoye gese

jabbar
October 3, 2017, 05:45 AM
Link to article on Cricinfo: Bowlers need to show more passion - Mushfiqur http://es.pn/2xaHYQg
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Mushy was right to lay blame to bowlers and batsman. He only forgot to blame one more player - the captain for bowling first, and not marshalling his troops better.

Krishna
October 3, 2017, 08:17 AM
মুশফিকের ধমকে মন খারাপ বোলারদের

লবিতে নেমে কোনায় গিয়ে প্রায় অন্ধকার একটা জায়গায় গিয়ে বসলেন রুবেল হোসেন। সকালের নাশতা খেতে যাওয়ার সময় বা বাসে ওঠার সময় তাসকিন আহমেদ ও মোস্তাফিজের মুখে যে হাসিটা দেখা গেল, সেটাকেও মনে হলো কৃত্রিম। শফিউল ইসলাম, মেহেদী হাসান—কারও মধ্যেই নেই চনমনে ভাব..

See more at - http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1336551/মুশফিকের-ধমকে-মন-খারাপ-বোলারদের

Fazal
October 3, 2017, 08:22 AM
মুশফিকের ধমকে মন খারাপ বোলারদের



See more at - http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1336551/মুশফিকের-ধমকে-মন-খারাপ-বোলারদের

How was his Bhaira Bhai Riyad reacting? Was he smiling or crying? After all he was our 5th bowler in the team.

btw Rubel didn't even played? What he have done wrong? Why should he get scolding from Mushfiq?

mehedi
October 3, 2017, 09:32 AM
Mushfiqur might have made a blunder of decision to bowl first but he is right criticising his bowlers who were very inconsistent with their line and length and unless as a bowler you don’t get your line and lengths right even best bowling wickets won’t help you. I hope the bowlers learn from this

RazabQ
October 3, 2017, 10:50 AM
Mushfiq's lack of tactical acumen or reactiveness is not new. While his man-management skills has always gotten the right kudos, we are at a point, with some veteran players where we need the tactical acumen to win. Witness on our England win, Hathuru asked TIK and Shak to drive on-field decision-making.

On the particular topic at hand - have our pacers been pathetic? Yes. They have regressed terribly since Streak left. And that can't be your excuse. You are a professional. The change of coach should not mean you are not able to bowl a consistent line or length. On that point Mushy is spot on. Here's the thing. Calling out your players/team-members in front of the press is the final card. Once you have done that there is no going back. Either they deliver and you look like a genius or the team quits on you and you have no option but to resign.

Finally, posters, please stop with the personal attacks. Rooting for player A vs. player B does not mean you get to attack each other.

mehedi
October 3, 2017, 12:52 PM
How was his Bhaira Bhai Riyad reacting? Was he smiling or crying? After all he was our 5th bowler in the team.

btw Rubel didn't even played? What he have done wrong? Why should he get scolding from Mushfiq?

Riyad Bhai had the potential to be a decent off spinner but his freakish bowling action makes him inconsistent with his line and length I hope he realises this and try and change his action. Should learn this from Mominul on how to have a simple and effective bowling action

Rinathq
October 3, 2017, 03:09 PM
Mushy blaming his bowlers wouldve made sense if the game took place on a sporting wicket. To Mushy, I understand the bowlers were pretty pathetic but at the same time, it was YOU who chose a 4 men attack, 2 of them are not even regulars. When u walk into a game with 7 and a half batsmen on a flat wicket and you lose the game, the first bomb should be on the batsmen's tent (the tent you are living in). It took a whole new level of stupidity to come out and blame the bowlers right after getting bowled out under 100. And i think it takes no genius to understand that this pitch wasnt a 100 run pitch. If we scored 400+ on first innings and then 200 on the second innings and still lost, maybe it wouldve made sense. Still it would be harsh because he went with a severely weakened bowling attack.

No doubt our bowling has been very poor. But our batsmen lost us the game in the end...
And a wise captain never sells his team under the bus like that. You take it up with the coach, the selection panel, the management if needed. But in the media, you ALWAYS take a collective blame.

I am almost getting disinterested to watch the game when Mushy is captaining. His captaincy just gets in my nerve every time

simon
October 3, 2017, 06:01 PM
Mushy blaming his bowlers wouldve made sense if the game took place on a sporting wicket. To Mushy, I understand the bowlers were pretty pathetic but at the same time, it was YOU who chose a 4 men attack, 2 of them are not even regulars. When u walk into a game with 7 and a half batsmen on a flat wicket and you lose the game, the first bomb should be on the batsmen's tent (the tent you are living in). It took a whole new level of stupidity to come out and blame the bowlers right after getting bowled out under 100. And i think it takes no genius to understand that this pitch wasnt a 100 run pitch. If we scored 400+ on first innings and then 200 on the second innings and still lost, maybe it wouldve made sense. Still it would be harsh because he went with a severely weakened bowling attack.

No doubt our bowling has been very poor. But our batsmen lost us the game in the end...
And a wise captain never sells his team under the bus like that. You take it up with the coach, the selection panel, the management if needed. But in the media, you ALWAYS take a collective blame.

I am almost getting disinterested to watch the game when Mushy is captaining. His captaincy just gets in my nerve every time

What ? Our batsmn lost us the game in the end? U expected us to score 400+ or survive the whole day 5 ?

We lost the game because of Mushy's poor decision to bowl first, then he was helped by our pathetic bowling.
No matter how flat it is no matter how inexperienced the bowlers are at this level u expect your bowlers to contain runs, to bowl wicket to wicket.
We lost the game on day 1 and 2 , on day 2 our bowlers repeated the same mistake.
Thses guys are professionals , they get paid to bowl and take wickets, if they cant take wickets then atleast bowl with some discipline and intent.
If you can do neither the captain has every right to criticize you.
Just because Mushy is a dumb captain does not take away his right to criticize his own players.
And no one is selling/throwing anyone under the bus.
As a professional if you can't even do the basics right then u have to accept criticizme.
Eita shantona deyar jayga na, stump to stump bowl korteo jodi na parey tahole etodin ki shikhsey ?

tiger1000
October 4, 2017, 04:29 AM
What ? Our batsmn lost us the game in the end? U expected us to score 400+ or survive the whole day 5 ?

We lost the game because of Mushy's poor decision to bowl first, then he was helped by our pathetic bowling.
No matter how flat it is no matter how inexperienced the bowlers are at this level u expect your bowlers to contain runs, to bowl wicket to wicket.
We lost the game on day 1 and 2 , on day 2 our bowlers repeated the same mistake.
Thses guys are professionals , they get paid to bowl and take wickets, if they cant take wickets then atleast bowl with some discipline and intent.
If you can do neither the captain has every right to criticize you.
Just because Mushy is a dumb captain does not take away his right to criticize his own players.
And no one is selling/throwing anyone under the bus.
As a professional if you can't even do the basics right then u have to accept criticizme.
Eita shantona deyar jayga na, stump to stump bowl korteo jodi na parey tahole etodin ki shikhsey ?

It'll be fine if he criticised everywhere criticism was due, he didn't, he used this criticism to deflect away from his own mistakes, which was the biggest cause for the size of defeat, by using the criticism as a deflection away from him, he threw the bowlers under the bus.

Bowlers, especially young ones need help from captain, mushfiq provided none. Sure you criticise a striker for not scoring goals, but you can't expect him to score many with a weak midfield. Same applies for bowlers

Fazal
October 4, 2017, 12:34 PM
Riyad Bhai had the potential to be a decent off spinner but ....

Potential dhuyee aar koto din? Riyad Bhai tou aar kotodin por medicare-e qualify korbe.

Eshen
October 4, 2017, 12:35 PM
Bloemfontein pitch is said to be traditional pacer friendly SA pitch. Faf will prolly win the toss this time and send BD to bat first. After the first innings disaster, Mushfiq will tell the press "See, I told ya - you don't want to bat first in SA!"

Fazal
October 4, 2017, 12:39 PM
... or Musfiq will win the toss and bat first and Faf will smile. Mushfiq will still tell the press "See, I told you ... batting 1st is not a good idea." This time he will again rip off the FBs for not helping the team with the bat in the first innings.

Eshen
October 4, 2017, 12:46 PM
^^Nah, that's unlikely, because he is a coward. As stupid he is, he will do his best to hide from SA pacers as long as he can.

Roey Haque
October 4, 2017, 03:57 PM
He is the worst captain in the history of any sport. A shame to his sport and country.

reyme
October 4, 2017, 08:41 PM
I have lost all interest watching cricket when the team is led by a captain who lacks common sense let alone cricket sense. To me however head coach should take greater responsibility for all these dumb moves and decisions. What does the head coach do when Mushy is running a circus in the match? Does he sleep or thinks about his next job? Nowadays NFL or College Football is so much more fun to watch....you can see how the head coaches are so proactive...

Night_wolf
October 4, 2017, 10:04 PM
He is the worst captain in the history of any sport. A shame to his sport and country.

I find the last part of this post to be of very poor taste.

look around in the forum, everyone is criticizing mushfik of his captaincy and how he is handling the young players, nobody is a saint. Mushfik isn't one also. he has shortcomings in his character, as a player and and as a captain.

but to label him as a shame to his country?, He has brought joy and pride to his country multiple times as a player.

He has done more than some of us will ever do for this country

Eshen
October 4, 2017, 10:09 PM
I have lost all interest watching cricket when the team is led by a captain who lacks common sense let alone cricket sense. To me however head coach should take greater responsibility for all these dumb moves and decisions. What does the head coach do when Mushy is running a circus in the match? Does he sleep or thinks about his next job? Nowadays NFL or College Football is so much more fun to watch....you can see how the head coaches are so proactive...We complain against Hathuru if he controls too much, now we are complaining he is not controlling enough!

I personally like the idea of the head coach providing guideline, not dictating every decision. Cricket is not NFL, you won't succeed in this game if you don't have a good brain, especially when it comes to Test cricket.

Rifat
October 4, 2017, 10:32 PM
The batsmen were piss poor in second innings. No offense but South Africa were lacking: Philander, Steyn this was pretty much a B+ *not as threatening* bowling lineup on a placid track and yet Bangladesh in 2017 gets dismissed for 90 runs... I don't think the Tushar Imran's or the Naeem Islam's or the Shahriar Nafees or Saif Hassans or Nazmul Hossain Shantos would have done this bad. This was a PATHETIC SHAMBOLIC performance by all accounts.

The pitch even on a fifth day didn't have much but Bangladeshi "batsmen" made a hash out of it. The only bowler who was unplayable was M. Morkel. and by the time he left, he did his job(take out two best Bangladeshi batsmen). Other than K. Maharaj and Morkel South African bowling wasn't that exceptional.


Absolutely disgusting performance!

Oh about the bowling:

It is the job of the captain and the bowler to communicate properly on field setting (Mashrafee and many other class international captains does this quite well most of the time). Why blame the bowlers when there is no slip for your seamers or there is a lack of catching option for spin close to the batsmen when miraz was bowling. The field placement was atrocious at best.

#EndRant

reyme
October 5, 2017, 02:21 AM
We complain against Hathuru if he controls too much, now we are complaining he is not controlling enough!

I personally like the idea of the head coach providing guideline, not dictating every decision. Cricket is not NFL, you won't succeed in this game if you don't have a good brain, especially when it comes to Test cricket.

He controls too much on team selection, toss and game strategy. But as far as game execution is concerned, he is not proactive. The game is slipping away with so many blunders by the captain, yet I dont see he intervenes.

Our players and captains needs to be spoonfed, hence we need a lot more proactive coach.

Krishna
October 5, 2017, 09:50 AM
Mushfiq clarify why he washed his bowlers.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1337896/বোলারদের-কেন-ধুয়ে-দিয়েছেন-জানালেন-মুশফিক

Tigers_eye
October 5, 2017, 10:05 AM
#facepalm.

Toss'a jite batting pitch'a bowling nisili kaan? agey oi kotha k!!! Jottoshob.

simon
October 5, 2017, 11:52 AM
emon captain ar koyta achey je nij haat ey tar bowler der dhuye dey?
Shafiul ke obossho dhowar por shukano hoy nai karon shey emnei shukna.
Porishkaar porichonnota imaan er ongsho.

Fazal
October 5, 2017, 02:03 PM
Manush mara gele onney (onno manush) dhuey dey. Amader bowler-ra ke mrito?

Fazal
October 5, 2017, 02:09 PM
Mushfiq clarify why he washed his bowlers.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/sports/article/1337896/বোলারদের-কেন-ধুয়ে-দিয়েছেন-জানালেন-মুশফিক

Does that means Mushfiq was happy with our over-loaded batsman (with one extra batsman)?

Amader batsmanra 90 te all out hoye gelo, mushfiq-er batting-er bapare kichuee bolar chilona?

The less he talks, the better it is. His logic doesn't make much sense to me.

adamnsu
October 6, 2017, 01:28 AM
Why doesn't Mushfiqur blame the selectors for choosing nonsense guys like Shafiul ? I guess he doesn't want to lose his place as Captain(assuming they chose the captain too)

5tonne
October 6, 2017, 04:38 AM
ধোয়া শেষ, এইবার চিপাইয়া পানি বাইর করবো।