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Firebreaker
January 20, 2018, 07:55 AM
How many Bangladeshis here and in general can understand or speak Urdu?

Night_wolf
January 20, 2018, 08:45 AM
How many pakistanies can speak bangla?

One World
January 20, 2018, 08:47 AM
I am not sure about this forum, but back in Dhaka there is a large commune of people who regularly speak Urdu. Being a student of Residential Model School, located in Mohammadpur, Dhaka I frequently would encounter Urdu speaking local vendors-shoppers who lived nearby slum called Geneva Camp. When I lived in Shantibagh, Dhaka my barber also was from Pak originally. At that time due to the possibility of signing a treaty he was quite enthusiastic about it. He would tell me stories about going back to his faraway ancestral home whenever I would go for a haircut. The dream to go back to his homeland never went away. His little village and the streaming river nearby kept his dream alive. It is 25 years ago. Hope he reached his destiny and having a fulfilling life at his desired place of habitat.

DinRaat.
January 20, 2018, 08:49 AM
How many pakistanies can speak bangla?

Probably still thinks Bangladesh is apart of Pakistan.

:D

adamnsu
January 20, 2018, 09:09 AM
Bit of an odd question as no reasoning behind the question is given. But just to give an idea here is my take.

Only a minute number of people can speak Urdu who are Bangladeshis
- People of Old Dhaka who are original residents of certain areas and of a certain age.
- people who are ethically Pakistani. This is not including the Bihari camp refugees. Many actually learn Urdu and give it during their O level exams. We went in British council in large numbers for our Bangla exam for Olevels while a few went into a small room to give Urdu at the same time.
- Muslim barbers tend to speak Urdu
- Many people I have come across who are educated in Madrasahs or support jamat tend to speak Urdu.

People in major towns can more relate and understand Hindi due to the exposure of Hindi entertainment, but can’t speak it.

adamnsu
January 20, 2018, 09:11 AM
How many pakistanies can speak bangla?

Most cant even pronounce the word Bangla let alone speak it.

They say Bung Lah

roman
January 20, 2018, 10:30 AM
Because of Bollywood movies, some people nowadays understand Hindi/Urdu. And there are few in old Dhaka who speak Urdu at home..

bujhee kom
January 20, 2018, 10:51 AM
I do not know in terms number, but 'Urdu' is spoken by some people in areas/neighborhoods of Dhaka like Mohammadpur (like One World uncle mentioned above), Old Dhaka, Lalbagh, Kosaituli, by the Biharis in the Bihari Camp area. Shia community and the Ispahanis in Moghbazaar Dhaka. In Chittagong by the Ismailiyas

Urdu was developed and constructed by the Mughals to be used by it's Army at different frontiers during their rule (as a common military language). They had vast military garrisons/regiments etc. comprised of many different ethnicity from the empire of Mughol Hindustan - the Sub-continent. The Army needed the commands and the soldiers to understand orders/instructions from either Delhi or Janahgirabad, Agra etc. and communicate between them throughout. Urdu later became a language of 'a' people and got defined as a language of a people of Pakistan and of (former-) East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) government structure during it's (Bangladesh) time as part of Pakistan.

I understand and see Urdu as language of a people, of a fellow human -a language of great poetry and Gazals and shahery (spell!) at 'this' very moment, as I am writing this post, now.
And we know and feel the very clear historical relationship and memories of 'Urdu' as a language imposed by the government of Pakistan as a method of oppression and cultural control, a blatant attempt to break a people's (Banglalies of then East Pakistan) cultural identity, spirit and soul by murdering un-armed peaceful protesters and by instilling 'fear'. It did not work, it gave the Bangalies a clarity and the shooting and murdering of the Bengali language martyrs of 1952 became the beginning point of a 'struggle' for creation of an independent Bangladesh. February 21 is just around the corner, a few weeks away. A perfectly timely thread!

I believe one has to see it in this way. Urdu is a language and was not the oppressor, the method of oppression was used by a group of people on another using this as a tool. BTW there were Urdu poets, authors and writers in Pakistan in the late 60s and the early 70s that wrote about, expressed their painful feelings through their writing and spoke out against the Pakistan government and Army's action and genocide that they caused on the people of Bangladesh. And by doing so, they were threatend, out-casted, black-listed, arrested and imprisoned by the Pakistani government officials, police and intelligence in then West Pakistan. The compassionate and out-spoken Pakistani authors and poets were boycotted by their readers in Pakistan for supporting the cause of Bangladesh. An example: Ahmad Salim.

Some Pakistani poets took up pens supporting 1971 war
By Syed Shukur Ali & Asraful Huq

DHAKA, March 20, 201(BSS)- It may sound unbelievable though, some brave Pakistani poets lent their unstinted support writing more than 300 poems to the cause of Bangladesh Liberation war in 1971.

Some Pakistani intellectuals including litterateurs, short story writers and journalists also took up pens in favour of the Bengalees in 1971 war.

"I had collected 200 poems written in Sindhi language, over 50 from Pashto areas, 20 from Baluchistan, some from Punjab of Pakistan and some others in Urdu and English languages supporting the Liberation War of 1971," noted historian Professor Dr Muntassir Mamoon mentioned it in an article.

In the article titled "Muktijuddhe Simanta Gandhi Pakistanider Ja Bolechhilen" in his edited book "Muktijuddher Chhinna Dalilpatra", he also said, "A book of 500 pages with the collected Pakistani poems may be published."

"Some Pakistani novels and short stories on the war were also
found," he mentioned in the article.

They formed an organization titled "Pakistan Forum" to support the Liberation War of 1971.

Many Pakistanis including intellectuals, journalists and politicians had to suffer imprisonment and inhuman torture as they came forward to support the war through their writings.

...
Complete article: http://bssnews.net/newsDetails.php?cat=34&id=479536&date=2015-03-20

I will write more and this post needs some fixing...I have to go now

Roey Haque
January 20, 2018, 10:58 AM
^ Good post.

I can't speak it nor understand it.

Roy_1
January 20, 2018, 11:05 AM
Funny thing is Urdu itself is an Indian language, the people of Delhi, Agra and Lukhnow are the true inheritor of Urdu, a minority in Pakistan speak Urdu as their mother tongue, the Muhajir community based in Karachi.

Zeeshan
January 20, 2018, 11:24 AM
Does it say urduforum dot com?

But...oh you will say.. and counter I just wanted to see if I could rapport with someone.

No. It is blatant inflammatory and trolly.

That's like me going to a random forum and opening a random thread: How many Chinese can speak Kurdish?

wtf

aklemalp
January 20, 2018, 11:33 AM
Is Urdu the language that looks like Arabic?

Jadukor
January 20, 2018, 11:40 AM
I would say not many because we dont have time for useless things

Roy_1
January 20, 2018, 12:01 PM
Is Urdu the language that looks like Arabic?

Yes, Urdu is written in Nastaliq Script (Persian) which itself is derived from Arabic, but I may be wrong as I have limited knowledge in this regard, Perhaps BK da could shed some light on this. I can speak fluent Urdu as it is mutually intelligible with standard Hindi. Any Hindi speaker could speak and understand Urdu and vice versa.

One World
January 20, 2018, 12:45 PM
Urdu caligraphy seems more close to Persian Arabic I recon. But most our languages from the Himalayas all the way to the Bay of Bengal are mostly originated from Sanskrit, like Bangla, Hindi, Tamil, Kannara etc. Sanskrit to us is more like Latin for the West.

aklemalp
January 20, 2018, 12:54 PM
Is sinhalese also a Sanskrit descendant?

mufi_02
January 20, 2018, 01:10 PM
I thought Tamil and other South Indian languages don’t have Sanskrit origin. Bangla,Hindi,Gujarati and other such languages have things in common such as almost similar sounding numbers and etc. they are derived from Sanskrit.

While Tamil and South Indian languages are totally different. Correct me if am wrong!

Roy_1
January 20, 2018, 01:35 PM
Urdu caligraphy seems more close to Persian Arabic I recon. But most our languages from the Himalayas all the way to the Bay of Bengal are mostly originated from Sanskrit, like Bangla, Hindi, Tamil, Kannara etc. Sanskrit to us is more like Latin for the West.

Tamil was not originated from Sanskrit and probably older than Sanskrit, Dravidian languages are a different language group altogether, while Sanskrit comes under Indo-Iranian language family. Kannada and Telugu does have some Sanskrit Influence though.

Roy_1
January 20, 2018, 01:40 PM
Is sinhalese also a Sanskrit descendant?

Derived from Sanskrit, Pali and Prakrit. Sinhalese are descendants of Bengali and Odiya people.

One World
January 20, 2018, 03:08 PM
Right, not Tamil but Assamese

Yankees
January 20, 2018, 03:56 PM
Is Urdu the language that looks like Arabic?

Yes. And spoken by people who wish they could look Arab.

aklemalp
January 20, 2018, 04:03 PM
Yes. And spoken by people who wish they could look Arab.

The reason I asked that was because of numerous observations involving the old time Bollywood movies does show the title of the movie at the beginning in a couple of languages...and this one stood out.

Yankees
January 20, 2018, 04:14 PM
The reason I asked that was because of numerous observations involving the old time Bollywood movies does show the title of the movie at the beginning in a couple of languages...and this one stood out.

I remember that too. Its english, then hindi script, and then urdu script.

Zeeshan
January 20, 2018, 04:18 PM
I remember that too. Its english, then hindi script, and then urdu script.

Encapsulates the code.. Hollywood, Bollywood and... Pollywood

aklemalp
January 20, 2018, 04:33 PM
^^ I think Pollywood is home to the Philippines Movie Industry.

Yankees
January 20, 2018, 04:54 PM
^^ I think Pollywood is home to the Philippines Movie Industry.

I thought pollywood was the **** industry?

Oh nevermind, that's polly's-got-wood.

aklemalp
January 21, 2018, 09:26 AM
I thought pollywood was the **** industry?

Oh nevermind, that's polly's-got-wood.

Nah, doesn't ring a bell. It's not hard core enough.

Roey Haque
January 21, 2018, 12:18 PM
Derived from Sanskrit, Pali and Prakrit. Sinhalese are descendants of Bengali and Odiya people.

Would you have a source for this?

Roy_1
January 21, 2018, 01:02 PM
Would you have a source for this?

We don't claim this, they do.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/1130329/jsp/nation/story_16723882.jsp

http://indianexpress.com/article/research/yes-the-sinhalese-have-their-origins-in-bengal-odisha/

https://scroll.in/article/814562/are-the-sinhalese-people-descendants-of-bengali-and-odiya-sea-merchants

This is about Sinhala language

http://hettiarachchi.tripod.com/sinhala.html

Roey Haque
January 21, 2018, 03:21 PM
^ Very interesting stuff. Thanks for all the links.

Tigers_eye
January 21, 2018, 06:08 PM
I can speak Hindi.

aklemalp
January 21, 2018, 06:10 PM
I can speak Hindi.

Accha? Bahut Koobsurat :)

Yankees
January 21, 2018, 07:10 PM
^ Very interesting stuff. Thanks for all the links.

It's one of the many reasons Mushy is often considered the next Sanga.

Zeeshan
January 21, 2018, 09:29 PM
Dear Firecracker,

I am sorry I reacted that way. Probably it was a harmless question and I misinterpreted the intention. Sorry buddy. It seems like you didn't follow up with comment.