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Night_wolf
March 21, 2018, 12:49 PM
Story of the first slap:-

When ICC announced the ICC WC qualifiers will feature the bottom two teams in the ODI ranking, everyone knew which two teams was most likely to be in the WC qualifier. at that time BD and ZIM were ranked number 9 and 10 in the ranking and was significantly weaker than the top 8 teams. It was almost a surety that BD and Zim would be the ones tussling it out with the associates.

ICC only cared about their cash cow and the teams(AUS,ENG,SA,NZ,PAK,SL,WI) ICC's cash cow was interested to play against. If there were no Champions trophy, ICC would have made it a 8 team WC. but since a 8 team WC dont make any sense because of the CT, ICC went with the next best thing. Make the bottom two teams(BD and ZIM) earn their WC spot playing with the associates. The 10 team WC make perfect sense to ICC. Their Cash cow gets to play vs all the "relevant" teams, and 2 practice matches(vs the teams from qualifiers). This in turn makes ICC the most amount of money.

ICC's plan took a big hit when BD started to perform in 2015. at the end it became a race between two teams to qualify straight for the WC. To ICC's surprise it was not Bangladesh who was one of the teams rather two of ICC's potential selected teams(WI,SL) to face their cash cow in the world cup.

Bangladesh gave ICC a first big slap in the right cheek when they sent WI to qualify for the WC in the qualifying tournament. ICC's plan took a big hindrance.

Story of the 2nd slap that almost happened:-

WI came to the qualifying tournament. ICC was not that worried. WI will easily qualify. WI being in the qualifying tournament only made sure that only one associate may enter the WC, where if BD was playing this qualifier, two associates might have made it. tbh in back of their head ICC was somewhat happy. instead of two now its sure that they will only have to deal with one associate in the WC. less insignificant matches, less loss of money for ICC.

Scotland almost..almost delivered the last big slap in ICC's other cheek by kicking WI out of the World Cup. alas rain had other Ideas. like how water brings comfort to the place where it burns, rain brought somewhat comfort to ICC's burning right cheek by taking WI to the World cup.

Greedy ICC wont extend the game beyond 10 teams as 2023 WC is also scheduled to be a 10 team, but deep down I hope someone with power in ICC will see what the lower teams are capable of doing if only given chance and think about cricket for once and not about just money and do the right thing to expand the 2023 world cup.

adamnsu
March 21, 2018, 12:53 PM
Best slap, thump, kick and punch to the ICC came in 2007!

Night_wolf
March 21, 2018, 01:05 PM
Best slap, thump, kick and punch to the ICC came in 2007!

that was something the did not plan or even think about could happen

tiger1000
March 21, 2018, 01:24 PM
It should be at least 12 teams

Roey Haque
March 21, 2018, 01:51 PM
Good read.

But shouldn't we be cash cows for ICC as well? After Ind and Pk, don't we have the largest cricket fan base and peace in the country? Something is not adding up.

I don't mind following the money, it makes the world go round. But the money trail goes through us as well, so I don't understand.

mufi_02
March 21, 2018, 02:15 PM
^we do. BD is certainly a cash cow now. But I think NW is referring that Ind-WI, Aus-WI will attract more money/sponsorship than Ind/BD (which I now doubt as we bring so much drama).

BD companies even sponsored those boundary boards at Nidahas trophy. I think I saw a fridge company and what's funny is that they didn't even bother to write in English. Just wrote in Bangla meaning their target audience is only Bangladeshis.

Imagine our independence trophy having SL sponsors. That will never happen. For such a tournament, forget about the stadium. Entire rokeya shoroni will be plastered with Walton/GP/BanglaLink and other deshi companies. With pic of Riyad and cheesy tag lines "noton projonmer muktir protik. egiye cholo"..

Night_wolf
March 21, 2018, 02:20 PM
^we do. BD is certainly a cash cow now. But I think NW is referring that Ind-WI, Aus-WI will attract more money/sponsorship than Ind/BD (which I now doubt as we bring so much drama).

BD companies even sponsored those boundary boards at Nidahas trophy. I think I saw a fridge company and what's funny is that they didn't even bother to write in English. Just wrote in Bangla meaning their target audience is only Bangladeshis.

Imagine our independence trophy having SL sponsors. That will never happen. For such a tournament, forget about the stadium. Entire rokeya shoroni will be plastered with Walton/GP/BanglaLink and other deshi companies. With pic of Riyad and cheesy tag lines "noton projonmer muktir protik. egiye cholo"..

we were not this competitive when this plan of last two in the ranking goes to the qualifier was hatched. I was talking about the mindset of that time

Rifat_02
March 21, 2018, 05:12 PM
I was so hoping Scotland to knock WI out of the world cup, mighty WI from WC Qualifiers are touring India for a full ODI series this November, when was the last time Bangladesh played ODI series in India? I wish cricket got out of these biases for some nations. This Qualifier was set up to give the associates a chance to put either Bangladesh or Zimbabwe out ( the so called minnows even though nobody bothers to check the rankings) too bad we just put cold water over such plans.

Need to keep performing to show these people to give credit based on merit and not based on names.

Yankees
March 21, 2018, 06:30 PM
Imagine our independence trophy having SL sponsors. That will never happen. For such a tournament, forget about the stadium. Entire rokeya shoroni will be plastered with Walton/GP/BanglaLink and other deshi companies. With pic of Riyad and cheesy tag lines "noton projonmer muktir protik. egiye cholo"..

:lol::lol: I can picture it now.

DinRaat.
March 21, 2018, 07:16 PM
:lol::lol: I can picture it now.

Don't forget a reference/homage to the freedom fighters after winning.

Night_wolf
March 21, 2018, 08:43 PM
Good read.

But shouldn't we be cash cows for ICC as well? After Ind and Pk, don't we have the largest cricket fan base and peace in the country? Something is not adding up.

I don't mind following the money, it makes the world go round. But the money trail goes through us as well, so I don't understand.

here are my 2 cents of us being cash cows. are we a cash cow?..sure we are but in a 2 team series or at best in Asia cup. WC is a different beast. walton cant compete with reliance and co in terms of money to be the WC sponsor. here Indian sponsors are the main thing.

to avg Indians beating BD might give opportunity to troll and have fun but still its a sure win game to them. just like zim is to us. we still don't have the brand value that WI brings even if we are stronger than WI. ask any normal Indian fan which team they want to see India play and most if not all will answer WI.

the sponsors will pay you for that.

Roey Haque
March 21, 2018, 09:02 PM
^ That is fascinating.

There needs to be a book called Crickonomics.

anon4567
March 24, 2018, 09:33 PM
In the past most of the lesser associate members were fully consistent of expats from Australia, England, SA, subcontinent, etc. so I couldn't have cared less about their participation. But now we see more players from non-cricket playing background increasingly taking up the sport. Look at the PNG and Nepal teams for instance, and how cricket is gathering a strong following in those countries. A 10 team world cup is the equivalent of showing these teams the finger.

A 10 Team World Cup makes no sense, what is the point of having the 8-team Champions Trophy then? Why not make the World Cup a Big-3 tri-series while they are at it (and swim in $$$$). If there was greater unity between teams outside of the Big-3.

If Rugby can have a 20 Team World Cup, why can't cricket? There is similar disparity between skills and fanbase between World's #1 team (NZ) and World's number 10 (Japan/ Fiji), and #19 and #20 teams are equivalent to the Canadas and Kenyas of cricket.

Our current huge f###-off Round Robin system currently exists only to ensure that India plays at the very least the Semi Finals and to nullify the effect to an upset by an associate. ICC doctors the CWC (post-2007) to ensure India stays in the tournament as long as possible. This means broadcasters would be willing to pay big $$$ for the rights to broadcast, there is over a billion people watching from India alone.

Again I don't blame Indian fans and players, as many former and current players are in favour of the expansion of cricket to lesser countries, but only BCCI...

anon4567
March 24, 2018, 09:36 PM
I'd like to our English and Welsh fans (and fans all around the World, esp. India and the subcon) to boycott the World Cup. Let us show our anger and frustration and respond with our wallets, as ICC has continued to ignore our words.

aklemalp
March 24, 2018, 10:36 PM
I'd like to our English and Welsh fans (and fans all around the World, esp. India and the subcon) to boycott the World Cup. Let us show our anger and frustration and respond with our wallets, as ICC has continued to ignore our words.

Indians alone would provide the financial gains if there was ever a boycott.

anon4567
March 25, 2018, 04:09 AM
Indians alone would provide the financial gains if there was ever a boycott.

Yup, sadly even if the stadiums were completely empty, broadcasting/ sponsorship from India would bring ICC significantly more money. Hence ICC has been rigging the CWC since 2007 to make sure India (and Pakistan) can stay alive in the tournament for long, to the point it's disgusting to watch. I wouldn't watch cricket at all if Bangladesh wasn't so outlandishly bad in all other international sports.

Mas_UK25
March 25, 2018, 05:37 AM
Cricket governing board needs a revamp or form new one. As clearly ICC is incompetent and has been forever.

Shaan
March 25, 2018, 05:45 AM
looking at west indies i feel very bad for Scotland, west indies was my first cricket love since i started to follow cricket but now their team is crap, just went to lowest level.

Yankees
March 25, 2018, 01:34 PM
Yup, sadly even if the stadiums were completely empty, broadcasting/ sponsorship from India would bring ICC significantly more money. Hence ICC has been rigging the CWC since 2007 to make sure India (and Pakistan) can stay alive in the tournament for long, to the point it's disgusting to watch. I wouldn't watch cricket at all if Bangladesh wasn't so outlandishly bad in all other international sports.

Pretty much this. I don't see how a neutral fan new to cricket can look at this farce and find it attractive. Cricket's just lucky to have found a captive audience in the subcon.

anon4567
March 26, 2018, 12:40 AM
looking at west indies i feel very bad for Scotland, west indies was my first cricket love since i started to follow cricket but now their team is crap, just went to lowest level.

You really have to appreciate the Scottish side though. This WI squad played consistent international cricket against the worlds strongest team both home and away leading up to the competition.

Wasn't so great for Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan, but they got a few matches too, albiet against lower ranked side.

And Scotland.. only played 4 matches in 5 months leading up to the CWCQ (that too against the PNG, UAE and Ireland). That's it.

Cricket governing board needs a revamp or form new one. As clearly ICC is incompetent and has been forever.

#ProtectCricketFromICC

anon4567
March 26, 2018, 07:14 AM
https://www.change.org/p/icc-change-the-decision-to-reduce-cricket-world-cup-to-just-10-teams-in-2019-2023

Please consider signing this petition, it has already picked up 10,000+ signatures. Although chances are ICC would just turn a blind eye, given their horrible track record.

mufi_02
March 26, 2018, 08:36 AM
Pretty much this. I don't see how a neutral fan new to cricket can look at this farce and find it attractive. Cricket's just lucky to have found a captive audience in the subcon.

very few sport are appealing if you a neutral fan. only soccer is an exception. I would still watch cricket if BD isn't there. maybe the big events like WC or some T20s. before BD got test status, most Bdeshis would watch Ind/Pak/SL games.

Tigers_eye
March 26, 2018, 08:37 AM
These were the biggest slaps to ICC.
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https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.7Ey_Yet40PfElHOTzbI68AHaEK&w=299&h=168&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

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Bangladesh 192 for 5 (Saqibul 53, Mushfiqur 56*, Tamim 51) beat India 191 (Ganguly 66, Mortaza 4-38) by five wickets

We use to call Shakib, Saqibul, lol.

Yankees
March 26, 2018, 02:13 PM
very few sport are appealing if you a neutral fan. only soccer is an exception. I would still watch cricket if BD isn't there. maybe the big events like WC or some T20s. before BD got test status, most Bdeshis would watch Ind/Pak/SL games.

Yea same here. Supported SL and IND. But that's because cricket was already the number 1 sport in Bangladesh. For neutral fans, where cricket isn't the top sport, there's no way this sport will be appealing. What's exciting about countless meaningless bilaterals between countries that you have no attachment to?

Just look at the growth of basketball around the world. That's a sport that continues to be appealing for neutral fans. The way NBA packages and sells the product is a big reason why.

mufi_02
March 26, 2018, 03:34 PM
Yea same here. Supported SL and IND. But that's because cricket was already the number 1 sport in Bangladesh. For neutral fans, where cricket isn't the top sport, there's no way this sport will be appealing. What's exciting about countless meaningless bilaterals between countries that you have no attachment to?

Just look at the growth of basketball around the world. That's a sport that continues to be appealing for neutral fans. The way NBA packages and sells the product is a big reason why.

only Soccer (footall) is the exception. Everyone basically enjoys and supports other teams passionately. Basketball maybe to a certain extent.

but to your point, I wouldn't watch any test/ODI that doesn't involve BD. Maybe will watch some highlights if its a great game. But let's say on weekend if I am home, I won't mind watching even Zim/Afg T20s.

iDumb
March 26, 2018, 04:28 PM
These were the biggest slaps to ICC.


actually that's a contradicting statement. Current format is a response to this. having early exit of India is a costly one in any format they choose. So they want to maximize as much games as possible before their exit.

ICC does not care if ireland or afghanistan is capable of toppling ind/aus. Sure it's good for great cricket but afghans aren't really brining in much sponsorship.

Everyone is aware this is a poor format and makes it for less intersting watch..

As a Bangladesh cricket fan.. I DON't even want to watch 9 group matches in WC. I don't have time for all that... I rather watch 3 games and move on to next stage or go home...

Football WC u host it in some remote area no body hard of.. ppl will spend thousands to be there and tickets will still be hard to get.... Cricket can't even fill a stadium even in India if it doesn't involve their team in WC. Thta's why it's always same few coutries hosting every time... South africa, zimbabwe, west indies are great spots for hosting a WC but stadium is empty even with free tickets.

Many of us would want to travel to watch BD in wc but how many of us have time to be there for 9 games?? LOL ridiculous. it's gonna be all londoni bangladeshis there i guess. So hosting it in a country where there aren't local Bangladehis , stadium will be empty. Hence England/Australia is actually a better place for cricket wc than even India

iDumb
March 26, 2018, 04:37 PM
Football is also hosted in countries that would otherwise not qualify for WC in a 32 format. Russia is an example. Cricket can't even think of doing that. USA could be a great host. But ICC just don't have that kind of money or power or influence outside main cricket nations.

The amount of Power Fifa has is ridiculous when it comes to countries vying to host. It's notoriuously difficult to get russian visa due to all bueurocracy. But for wc, it's visa free entry with simply a ticket. It's amazing what fifa can do.

anon4567
March 26, 2018, 10:33 PM
India has a population bigger than Africa, or Europe and North America combined. Pakistan is the second biggest cricketing country populationwise.

A Pakistan v India CWC game was watched by over a billion people in 2015, hence ICC sees this as a huge profit opportunity through broadcasting and sponsorships. Hence the 2019 and 2023 CWC were designed in such a way that India v Pakistan match happened again. And India gets to play 9 games even if they can't proceed past group stages (vs 3 games played in 2007 CWC).

Countries like Afghanistan, Ireland, Nepal and PNG have grown a big fanbase for the game, but alas ICC only cares about all the $$$ short term that can be milked from India.

Money made from fans attending the stadium is miniscule compared to that achieved from broadcast rights. The timezone difference between WI/ USA and the subcontinent is why we'll possibly never have an ICC event there in the near future.

Night_wolf
March 26, 2018, 11:14 PM
In this year's 32-team FIFA World Cup in Russia, a team ranked as low as No. 63 in the world - Saudi Arabia - qualified on merit. Chile and Italy, both ranked in the top 16, did not. If FIFA used rankings only to form their World Cup field and shrank the event to 16 teams, rather than expand to 48 as will be the case for 2026, the entire field would be comprised of countries from Europe and South America.

took this quote from an article in cricinfo, this says it all. I think their should be an case filed against ICC in International court.

anon4567
March 27, 2018, 04:12 AM
took this quote from an article in cricinfo, this says it all. I think their should be an case filed against ICC in International court.

We are lucky that India doesn't play rugby or football as much.

There should be a case filed against CA and ECB, both countries have a government body overseeing them for discriminatory measures against Associates. That should be enough, not too hopeful of suing BCCI though.

Mas_UK25
March 27, 2018, 04:52 AM
took this quote from an article in cricinfo, this says it all. I think their should be an case filed against ICC in International court.

200% agree.

Cricket fans need to wake up, join hands and stop being biased of your nation contributing whatever or not hence icc favouring. It’s for the game, cricket we all love. As they say with great power comes great responsibility. If you contribute a lot am sure you can distribute the game a lot too. Have a heart...

iDumb
March 27, 2018, 09:45 AM
cricket is a faltu sport...

THe subcontinent has the least number of world class Athletes - that's why cricket is popular there. They aren't capable of competing in any other international sports.

world cup my $. Rename it to Mumbai Cup. Such a shameful format.

Last couple of major tournaments I heard those losers call India Pak game the final match in a group stage. Chagol je koto prokar..

One World
March 27, 2018, 09:54 AM
cricket is a faltu sport...

THe subcontinent has the least number of world class Athletes - that's why cricket is popular there. They aren't capable of competing in any other international sports.

True that, but what if there were no cricket. What could we do, only create some Grandmasters in Chess once in a while!

Some are good at Ping Pong, some are at Badminton. Sometimes few people break it through to other popular sports like tennis, squash, golf etc. But are not we glad we have Cricket?

iDumb
March 27, 2018, 10:02 AM
^^ I am just upset at the format thats all. In theory it sounds so great but how many ppl watched the world cup qualifier ?? Was it even televised. Those teams are not getting enough exposure. Many here are not talking about it as BD was safe but with this format there was a possibility Bangladesh could have not made it. And last few WC, bangladesh has created the group of death. Imagine a country like that not in WC when cricket is already a very limited appeal sport and dying in most countries...