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mufi_02
March 29, 2018, 12:55 PM
In the beginning I thought it was a serious offense and ICC and CA will get involved resulting in few match bans and fines.

But over the last few days, it has only snowballed and has reached a tale of epic reaction and proportion.

Dominating AUS media (international as well) for days. Looks like it has intrigued entire Aus. Prime Minister, MPs, Opposition leaders all had to issue statements. Even NZ where cricket isn't a major sport running this as headlines as NZ Airlines issued a video.

Smith had to be escorted by 10+ security guards in SA airport. His teary eyed press conference in Sydney intrigued millions.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought cricket is only a summer leisure sport in Aus. So why has this incident received so much attention and reaction? Also is the media only making it worse for Smith and basically destroying his career?

A mistake has been made. But this feel like mob lynching.

Krishna
March 29, 2018, 01:12 PM
Yes, AFL is the most popular sports there, but it's still a local sport. It doesn't carry any representatives for Australia in international arena. And cricket is never a spectator sport. Even in our country, a village field soccer matches draws more people than Dhaka premiere league final. By choice of 'most popular' sport AFL is no.1. But Australia is not a single sport country(compared to Bangladesh and Cricket) and Australians support almost all sports played in the country. But in this case, Cricket is a premier summer sport and is considered a National Sport as it enjoys equal popularity in all states of the country. It's the most participated sport there and the second most popular sports by choice. I am not opposing AFL is the most popular sport there but the the notion that( you wrote as if) the cheating incident is insignificant to one sports lover Aussies day to day life because of the anticipations for the upcoming AFL season. That's wrong.

Still Cricket is their most popular sport if you consider 'representing the country'. In Australia, they enjoy AFL regionally but taking pride for the country in sports generally take place in cricket mostly. My aussie friend said once that In Australia, when you say 'Australia's captain', it generally points towards the cricket captain..not soccer, volleyball etc. In that sense Cricket is Australias national sport. Yes, they aren't crazy about cricket like we desis. But it isn't as low as you are supposing. Your example of choice is more equivalent to England, where Football is too high for Cricket where sometimes even rugby is more adhered.

By the way my Dulavhai is from Australia. I have gone there once too..

godzilla
March 29, 2018, 01:24 PM
Man this is definitely getting way blown out of proportion. Cheating is wrong but 12 months ban, that's just too much for my liking. Had they taken money, hell life ban but every team does it, they just got caught.

Tigers_eye
March 29, 2018, 01:27 PM
9 month would be okay. :) Evil sinister laugh.

aklemalp
March 29, 2018, 01:39 PM
The scene in the airport was like escorting El Chapo

mufi_02
March 29, 2018, 01:43 PM
Yes, AFL is the most popular sports there, but it's still a local sport. It doesn't carry any representatives for Australia in international arena. And cricket is never a spectator sport. Even in our country, a village field soccer matches draws more people than Dhaka premiere league final. By choice of 'most popular' sport AFL is no.1. But Australia is not a single sport country(compared to Bangladesh and Cricket) and Australians support almost all sports played in the country. But in this case, Cricket is a premier summer sport and is considered a National Sport as it enjoys equal popularity in all states of the country. It's the most participated sport there and the second most popular sports by choice. I am not opposing AFL is the most popular sport there but the the notion that( you wrote as if) the cheating incident is insignificant to one sports lover Aussies day to day life because of the anticipations for the upcoming AFL season. That's wrong.

Still Cricket is their most popular sport if you consider 'representing the country'. In Australia, they enjoy AFL regionally but taking pride for the country in sports generally take place in cricket mostly. My aussie friend said once that In Australia, when you say 'Australia's captain', it generally points towards the cricket captain..not soccer, volleyball etc. In that sense Cricket is Australias national sport. Yes, they aren't crazy about cricket like we desis. But it isn't as low as you are supposing. Your example of choice is more equivalent to England, where Football is too high for Cricket where sometimes even rugby is more adhered.

By the way my Dulavhai is from Australia. I have gone there once too..

I see. I don't know much about Aus. That's why was looking for Aussie BC member's perception.

Heard Aus cricket captain is the 2nd most respected person in Aus (after their PM).

I just think that has been blown way out of proportion. 1 year ban for Smith is too much.

One World
March 29, 2018, 02:10 PM
Since the game is not most popular in the region, how can we be sure that it is not a ploy from ICC and the top 3?

CA involving their PM to show some interest and then making them expose dramatic public emotions with Lehman (barely had left much in his tenure, he was about to go anyway) resignation seems more like an attempt towards reverse psychology to regain some respect through sympathy and this thread might be one example to claim it is working.

It looks like it could be less punishment which could make fans express criticism. Now the punishment seems too harsh and everybody advocating a reduction which will ease the way to shorten it within next couple of months.

horizon
March 29, 2018, 03:45 PM
Cricket is the national sport of Australia.

Yankees
March 29, 2018, 04:08 PM
You know the reaaction has been so ridiculous that I've gone from being happy that htey have been caught to actually feeling sorry they got caught. This whole OTT reaction has gotten me feeling bad for the cheaters. Completely ridiculous.

It's also a good commentary on how dull cricket is by and large, that something like this is all it takes to get the cricket machine into hysterics.

#Justice4Smith #Justice4Bancroft #Justice4Warner

One World
March 29, 2018, 04:13 PM
Cricket is the national sport of Australia.

Kabadi is the national sport of BD, most popular?
Kathal is the national fruit of BD, most consumed?
Shapla is the national flower of BD, most cherished?

NoName
March 29, 2018, 04:53 PM
LOL @ Lehman crying

mufi_02
March 29, 2018, 07:38 PM
Made it to German TV headlines today. Was in Austria and Spain's mainstream media as well. This has received way more coverage than I every imagined.

Antora
March 29, 2018, 07:42 PM
There's a number of reasons why this has been blown out of proportion (IMO as an Australian; others may differ).

1. The " we are better than you" attitude: Australia has a long history of belittling and calling out, other teams/players (there's also been a lot of racism too). The obvious case of Murali being a "chucker" to most recently Faf Du Plessis shinning the ball in a particular way. We have positioned ourselves as a team that can (probably) do no wrong. The fact that we have done wrong AND was caught, has been difficult to swallow. So it's been a case of "we are not as superior as we thought we were".

2. A lot of you are right, AFL is popular. However, in Australia different states like different sports. For example, in Victoria AFL is the most popular sport. In New South Wales and Queensland, it's the NRL and so on. Cricket, on the other hand, is popular Australia wide. It's something that the whole of Australia is worried about not just certain states and not so much the others.

3. Building on from the second point, cricket is part of Australian summer culture. It is tradition to grab a beer and watch the boys play in the baggy green or, play backyard cricket as a family. A lot of Australian boys and girls at some stage of their childhood has played milo cricket on weekends or spent the summer at school playing cricket. It's pretty much intertwined with national identity and, you don't want that tainted with the word "cheater". In addition to all this, John Howard I believe it was, labeled the Australian Test Cricket Captain as the second highest position in Australia. This really reinforces the importance of Test cricket in particular, in the formation of a national identity.

Regardless of the millions of reasonings we can come up with as both Australians and non-Australians regarding the extensive media coverage and outcry, one thing for certain is, no Australian cricketer (and hopefully no cricketer in general) will think about cheating for a very very long time.

It was very difficult to watch Smith's press conference and I think after that, Australia has forgiven him. Perhaps his 12-month ban is a bit too much, but he's in a horrible mental state and will probably need that 12 months to be in a better headspace.

DinRaat.
March 29, 2018, 07:44 PM
There's a number of reasons why this has been blown out of proportion (IMO as an Australian; others may differ).

1. The " we are better than you" attitude: Australia has a long history of belittling and calling out, other teams/players (there's also been a lot of racism too). The obvious case of Murali being a "chucker" to most recently Faf Du Plessis shinning the ball in a particular way. We have positioned ourselves as a team that can (probably) do no wrong. The fact that we have done wrong AND was caught, has been difficult to swallow. So it's been a case of "we are not as superior as we thought we were".

2. A lot of you are right, AFL is popular. However, in Australia different states like different sports. For example, in Victoria AFL is the most popular sport. In New South Wales and Queensland, it's the NRL and so on. Cricket, on the other hand, is popular Australia wide. It's something that the whole of Australia is worried about not just certain states and not so much the others.

3. Building on from the second point, cricket is part of Australian summer culture. It is tradition to grab a beer and watch the boys play in the baggy green or, play backyard cricket as a family. A lot of Australian boys and girls at some stage of their childhood has played milo cricket on weekends or spent the summer at school playing cricket. It's pretty much intertwined with national identity and, you don't want that tainted with the word "cheater". In addition to all this, John Howard I believe it was, labeled the Australian Test Cricket Captain as the second highest position in Australia. This really reinforces the importance of Test cricket in particular, in the formation of a national identity.

Regardless of the millions of reasonings we can come up with as both Australians and non-Australians regarding the extensive media coverage and outcry, one thing for certain is, no Australian cricketer (and hopefully no cricketer in general) will think about cheating for a very very long time.

It was very difficult to watch Smith's press conference and I think after that, Australia has forgiven him. Perhaps his 12-month ban is a bit too much, but he's in a horrible mental state and will probably need that 12 months to be in a better headspace.

This sums it up brilliantly. :up: :up: :)

mufi_02
March 29, 2018, 07:46 PM
in Norway - https://streamable.com/zpd8p

G-man
March 29, 2018, 07:55 PM
This is exactly how australia would be expected to respond. How the media reacts is a different story.

Sports and sportspeople in this country are held to very high esteem..everything from grass roots development to integrity and culture at all levels.

It's impossible to understate how important sporting is to straya. Even at grass roots level, you step out of line enougj and you will go to hearings.

Captain of the test team is held in the same regard as academics have for steven hawking or tesla

Repercussions of something like this goes beyong the players and team..corporates react, regulators react..people revolt.

If this is what it takes to preserve the institution then so be it. Beats fly by nighy band aid solutions corrupt operations like the sub continent.

G-man
March 29, 2018, 07:58 PM
If you want perpextive, read this


https://www.smh.com.au/national/cheating-at-cricket-just-one-of-the-unthinkable-things-aussies-do-now-20180327-p4z6fc.html

If only we reacted the same for all ther BS that's going on

mufi_02
March 29, 2018, 08:02 PM
good to hear aussie perspectives. we are all looking at it from outside and missing a lot of context.

it was very hard to watch smith break down like that though. what a wonderful wonderful batsmen. shame if this is the end of him.

Rifat
March 29, 2018, 08:38 PM
There's a number of reasons why this has been blown out of proportion (IMO as an Australian; others may differ).

1. The " we are better than you" attitude: Australia has a long history of belittling and calling out, other teams/players (there's also been a lot of racism too). The obvious case of Murali being a "chucker" to most recently Faf Du Plessis shinning the ball in a particular way. We have positioned ourselves as a team that can (probably) do no wrong. The fact that we have done wrong AND was caught, has been difficult to swallow. So it's been a case of "we are not as superior as we thought we were".

2. A lot of you are right, AFL is popular. However, in Australia different states like different sports. For example, in Victoria AFL is the most popular sport. In New South Wales and Queensland, it's the NRL and so on. Cricket, on the other hand, is popular Australia wide. It's something that the whole of Australia is worried about not just certain states and not so much the others.

3. Building on from the second point, cricket is part of Australian summer culture. It is tradition to grab a beer and watch the boys play in the baggy green or, play backyard cricket as a family. A lot of Australian boys and girls at some stage of their childhood has played milo cricket on weekends or spent the summer at school playing cricket. It's pretty much intertwined with national identity and, you don't want that tainted with the word "cheater". In addition to all this, John Howard I believe it was, labeled the Australian Test Cricket Captain as the second highest position in Australia. This really reinforces the importance of Test cricket in particular, in the formation of a national identity.

Regardless of the millions of reasonings we can come up with as both Australians and non-Australians regarding the extensive media coverage and outcry, one thing for certain is, no Australian cricketer (and hopefully no cricketer in general) will think about cheating for a very very long time.

It was very difficult to watch Smith's press conference and I think after that, Australia has forgiven him. Perhaps his 12-month ban is a bit too much, but he's in a horrible mental state and will probably need that 12 months to be in a better headspace.

We need a like button in BC, not the type of like button that integrates with existing social media outlet's but an in house one :)

horizon
March 30, 2018, 12:26 AM
Kabadi is the national sport of BD, most popular?
Kathal is the national fruit of BD, most consumed?
Shapla is the national flower of BD, most cherished?

No, but those are one of mosts-s.

brockley
March 30, 2018, 01:16 AM
Agree Antora will lose ground to AFL.But it rise again when the Ashes is on again.Smith and Warner will be available.But no Bancroft.
Agree Rifat likes are a good idea.

Channel 9 has signed the Australian Open.So cricket maybe on a new channel.

mufi_02
March 30, 2018, 08:43 AM
I wonder how global cricket would react if it was Shakib, Mushy, and Mehedi instead of Smith, Warner, and Bancroft?

mufi_02
March 30, 2018, 08:47 AM
There's a number of reasons why this has been blown out of proportion (IMO as an Australian; others may differ).

1. The " we are better than you" attitude: Australia has a long history of belittling and calling out, other teams/players (there's also been a lot of racism too).

this story comes to mind --

Sometime in 1979 in Kanpur, the Australian cricketers had come up with a plan to break their boredom. They would queue up in front of the hotel windows and throw money out on the streets. Even as people below would scramble for the money, the players would empty a bucketful of water on them. They called it “Raining Rupees”. In his 1986 book, Allan Border mentions the shenanigans from the tour: “We took to dropping rupees and watch them scramble .We would fill up all the available receptacles in the hotel room with water, drop the coins and whoosh!”

how disgraceful is that? I mean wtf...

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/icc-cricket-australia-ball-tampering-steve-smith-ban-5112352/

DinRaat.
March 30, 2018, 08:52 AM
this story comes to mind --



how disgraceful is that? I mean wtf...

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/icc-cricket-australia-ball-tampering-steve-smith-ban-5112352/

Sorry on behalf of the team, even though it's 50 years too late.

DinRaat.
March 30, 2018, 08:52 AM
I wonder how global cricket would react if it was Shakib, Mushy, and Mehedi instead of Smith, Warner, and Bancroft?

They would be castrated on live television

aklemalp
March 30, 2018, 09:03 AM
They would be castrated on live television

No, once they start crying; everyone will empathize with them. We are a loving people. Not like the Aussies who are out for blood.