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R0ssei
April 4, 2018, 10:45 AM
I can't create a poll with 35 42 options. hence creating a thread instead. Pick your top 3 pacers that you want to have in your Best 11 Test squad. I might have missed a few (remind me if you want any inclusion), however most names are well-renowned. In fact, some may raise your eye-brows. There are 10 from AUS, 7 from WI & SA, 6 from ENG, 4 from PAK, 3 from NZ & IND and 1 from SL & ZIM.

I've ranked them based on their S/R in test cricket. Players is RED are still playing.

1. Kagiso Rabada (SA, 2015-2018) (Mat: 30, Wk: 143, Avg: 21.59, SR: 39.2)
2. Dale Steyn (SA, 2004-2018) (Mat: 86, Wk: 419, Avg: 22.32, SR: 41.5)
3. Waqar Younis (PAK, 1989-2003) (Mat: 87, Wk: 373, Avg: 23.56, SR: 43.4)
4. Shoaib Akhtar (PAK, 1997-2007) (Mat: 46, Wk: 178, Avg: 25.69, SR: 45.74)
5. Malcom Marshall (WI, 1978-1991) (Mat: 81, Wk: 376, Avg: 20.94, SR: 46.7)
6. Allan Donald (SA, 1992-2002) (Mat: 72, Wk: 330, Avg: 22.25, SR: 47)
7. Vernon Philander (SA, 2011-2018) (Mat: 54, Wk: 204, Avg: 21.46, SR: 48.5)
8. Mitchell Starc (AUS, 2011-2018) (Mat: 43, Wk: 182, Avg: 28.17, SR: 49.3)
9. Fred Trueman (ENG, 1952-1965) (Mat: 67, Wk: 307, Avg: 21.57, SR: 49.4)
10. Joel Garner (WI, 1977-1987) (Mat: 58, Wk: 259, Avg: 20.97, SR: 50.8)
11. Richard Hadlee (NZ, 1973-1990) (Mat: 86, Wk: 431, Avg: 22.29, SR: 50.8)
12. Michael Holding (WI, 1975-1987) (Mat: 60, Wk: 249, Avg: 23.68, SR: 50.9)
13. Mitchell Johnson (AUS, 2007-2015) (Mat: 73, Wk: 313, Avg: 28.4, SR: 51.1)
14. Glenn McGrath (AUS, 1993-2007) (Mat: 124, Wk: 563, Avg: 21.64, SR: 51.9)
15. Dennis Lillee (AUS, 1971-1984) (Mat: 70, Wk: 355, Avg: 23.92, SR: 52)
16. Jeff Thomson (AUS, 1972-1985) (Mat: 51, Wk: 200, Avg: 28, SR: 52.6)
17. Brett Lee (AUS, 1999-2008) (Mat: 76, Wk: 310, Avg: 30.81, SR: 53.3)
18. Morne Morkel (SA, 2006-2018) (Mat: 86, Wk: 309, Avg: 27.66, SR: 53.3)
19. Bob Willis (ENG, 1971-1984) (Mat: 90, Wk: 325, Avg: 25.2, SR: 53.4)
20. Mathaya Ntini (SA, 1998-2009) (Mat: 101, Wk: 390, Avg: 28.82, SR: 53.4)
21. Imran Khan (PAK, 1971-1992) (Mat: 88, Wk: 362, Avg: 22.81, SR: 53.7)
22. Wesley Hall (WI, 1958-1969) (Mat: 48, Wk: 192, Avg: 26.38, SR: 54.2)
23. Curtly Ambrose (WI, 1988-2000) (Mat: 98, Wk: 405, Avg: 20.99, SR: 54.5)
24. Wasim Akram (PAK, 1985-2002) (Mat: 104, Wk: 414, Avg: 23.62, SR: 54.6)
25. Andy Roberts (WI, 1974-1983) (Mat: 47, Wk: 202, Avg: 25.61, SR: 55.1)
26. Trent Bolt (NZ, 2011-2018) (Mat: 54, Wk: 215, Avg: 27.84, SR: 56.1)
27. James Anderson (ENG, 2003-2018) (Mat: 136, Wk: 531, Avg: 27.36, SR: 56.6)
28. Ian Botham (ENG, 1977-1992) (Mat: 102, Wk: 383, Avg: 28.4, SR: 56.9)
29. Craig McDermott (AUS, 1984-1996) (Mat: 71, Wk: 291, Avg: 28.63, SR: 56.9)
30. Josh Hazlewood (AUS, 2014-2018) (Mat: 40, Wk: 151, Avg: 26.84, SR: 57.3)
31. Courtney Walsh (WI, 1984-2001) (Mat: 132, Wk: 519, Avg: 24.44, SR: 57.8)
32. Shaun Pollock (SA, 1995-2008) (Mat: 108, Wk: 421, Avg: 23.11, SR: 57.8)
33. Andrew Caddick (ENG, 1993-2003) (Mat: 62, Wk: 234, Avg: 29.91, SR: 57.9)
34. Stuart Broad (ENG, 2007-2018) (Mat: 116, Wk: 410, Avg: 29.04, SR: 58.5)
35. Ray Lindwall (AUS, 1946-1960) (Mat: 61, Wk: 228, Avg: 23.03, SR: 59.8)
36. Terry Alderman (AUS, 1981-1991) (Mat: 41, Wk: 170, Avg: 27.15, SR: 59.88)
37. Zaheer Khan (IND, 2000-2014) (Mat: 92, Wk: 311, Avg: 32.94, SR: 60.4)
38. Tim Southee (NZ, 2008-2018) (Mat: 60, Wk: 220, Avg: 30.82, SR: 60.6)
39. Heath Streak (ZIM, 1993-2005) (Mat: 65, Wk: 216, Avg: 28.14, SR: 62.7)
40. Kapil Dev (IND, 1978-1994) (Mat: 131, Wk: 434, Avg: 29.64, SR: 63.9)
41. Javagal Srinath (IND, 1991-2002) (Mat: 67, Wk: 236, Avg: 30.49, SR: 64)
42. Chaminda Vaas (SL, 1994-2009) (Mat: 111, Wk: 355, Avg: 29.58, SR: 66)

Special Mentions (min 25 wickets considered):
* Robiul Islam (BAN, 2010-2014) (Mat: 9, Wk: 25, Avg: 39.68, SR: 74.4)
* Shahadat Hossain (BAN, 2005-2015) (Mat: 38, Wk: 72, Avg: 51.81, SR: 74.7)
* Mashrafe Mortaza (BAN, 2001-2009) (Mat: 36, Wk: 78, Avg: 41.52, SR: 76.7)
* Tapash Baisya (BAN, 2002-2005) (Mat: 21, Wk: 36, Avg: 59.36, SR: 93.6)
* Manjural Islam (BAN, 2001-2004) (Mat: 17, Wk: 28, Avg: 57.32, SR: 106)
* Rubel Hossain (BAN, 2009-2018) (Mat: 25, Wk: 33, Avg: 79, SR: 120.1)

* Votes will not be counted


Only pick 3.
I will count them as voting poll. :up:

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 10:53 AM
1. Michael Holding (WI)
2. Dennis Lillee (Aus)
3. Imran Khan (Pak)


If I could, I would add (just for me, not for this specific poll)

4. Joel Garner (WI)
5. Bob Willis (Eng)
6. Kapil Dev (Ind)

Tigers_eye
April 4, 2018, 10:56 AM
Three Ws.

1. Wasim
2. Waqar
3. Wesley (Hall) Not in the list.

Tigers_eye
April 4, 2018, 11:00 AM
If Marshal, Garner, Roberts, Holding, and Croft terrorized batsmen on the field, Wesley would go in their dreams and terrorize there as well. He started his cricketing career as WK/Batsman. lol.

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 11:01 AM
Three Ws.

1. Wasim
2. Waqar
3. Wesley (Hall) Not in the list.

YEah, Dulabhai. I would pick Wesley Hall too, topnotch!

Tigers_eye
April 4, 2018, 11:03 AM
YEah, Dulabhai. I would pick Wesley Hall too, topnotch!Sir Wesley Hall. :)

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 11:09 AM
.... would go in their dreams and terrorize there as well. He started his cricketing career as WK/Batsman. lol.

Hehehe...Lola lola korchen keno eto?? Our Mushfiquer is a wktkpr-btsmn too. Or bowling dekechen apni kokhono? Mushfiquer-er Bouncer kheye Roye-er naak bhocha hoye gechey!

"Mushfiquer- chuto-khatu...gatta-gotta...Gooti guti paye bhayanok bege dhula uriye dour-e ashlen Polton pranto theke...batsman Roye Haque dilen hishu kore pant bhijiye...Bat-e ball-e milon holo naa..kinto ball chole gelo maather bahire" - Mridha BoX Khudha

R0ssei
April 4, 2018, 11:12 AM
There you go. Added another SIr.

Tigers_eye
April 4, 2018, 11:24 AM
There you go. Added another SIr.
Thank you. Last nomination: Rabada.

roman
April 4, 2018, 11:53 AM
Joel Garner
Malcom Marshal
Michael Holding

The next big 3 for me are

Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Waqar Yunis

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 12:32 PM
Dear R0ssei,
How do you feel about Test Fast bowler Fazal Mahmood of Pakistan (Pakistan's first 3 decades of test cricket, post independence)? I think that he was exceptional.

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 12:38 PM
I also admire Malcolm Marshall and Jeff Thompson!

R0ssei
April 4, 2018, 01:15 PM
Dear R0ssei,
How do you feel about Test Fast bowler Fazal Mahmood of Pakistan (Pakistan's first 3 decades of test cricket, post independence)? I think that he was exceptional.

Well, really can't comment on players who played years before I was even born. But his SR is around 70 for which I don't want to list him here. However if more like you want him, then sure.

I added Rabada coz he will probably be in the top 10 bowlers of all time if he has a long career. Plus there are Bolt, Southee, Broad, Anderson, then why not him?

mufi_02
April 4, 2018, 02:57 PM
where is Taskin?

no taskin no vote.

bujhee kom
April 4, 2018, 03:01 PM
Yeah no Forhad Reza?

And where is Shadahat Hussain?

tiger1000
April 4, 2018, 03:40 PM
Dale steyn
Malcolm Marshall
Glen mcgrath

Likes of wasim and lillee up there too

Rinathq
April 4, 2018, 04:20 PM
Abul Hasan
Taskin Ahmed
Rubel Hossain....... be scared...... be very scared

Gowza
April 4, 2018, 05:18 PM
I'm gonna g to say:

Marshall
McGrath
Holding

Marshall I believe is the best of all time, McGrath was exceptional in a mainly batsman's world and Holding I think is just very underrated (he averaged 23 at home and away from home, he averaged under 25 everywhere except for NZ don't know why his record is so poor there).

Honourable mentions: Lillee, lindwall, Hadlee, Steyn, Imran, ambrose, garner. Donald, Walsh, Miller, Wasim.

Rabada is terrific though, he's one of my favourites ever but don't think it's fair to pick him due to not having played enough yet (Procter was awesome but he barely played).

Garner is a good pick, he actually did average 25 or under everywhere he played though it didn't include India, actually Joel averaged las than 20 in 3 countries.

The top fast bowlers are so close together it's very hard to pick just 3, it would depend heavily on conditions and the criteria given (is it for one match or for a series? Or for an entire season? Do they play in Asia, or Australia or Africa or all of these places?.

tiger1000
April 4, 2018, 07:08 PM
I'm gonna g to say:

Marshall
McGrath
Holding

Marshall I believe is the best of all time, McGrath was exceptional in a mainly batsman's world and Holding I think is just very underrated (he averaged 23 at home and away from home, he averaged under 25 everywhere except for NZ don't know why his record is so poor there).

Honourable mentions: Lillee, lindwall, Hadlee, Steyn, Imran, ambrose, garner. Donald, Walsh, Miller, Wasim.

Rabada is terrific though, he's one of my favourites ever but don't think it's fair to pick him due to not having played enough yet (Procter was awesome but he barely played).

Garner is a good pick, he actually did average 25 or under everywhere he played though it didn't include India, actually Joel averaged las than 20 in 3 countries.

The top fast bowlers are so close together it's very hard to pick just 3, it would depend heavily on conditions and the criteria given (is it for one match or for a series? Or for an entire season? Do they play in Asia, or Australia or Africa or all of these places?.

The thing with holding is, he played with that deadly pace attack that meant he was fresh all the way through, great too watch, but made it easier for all of them.

DinRaat.
April 4, 2018, 08:02 PM
Down voted thread owner is racist.

DinRaat.
April 4, 2018, 08:03 PM
Includes Mitchell Johnson forgets Mitchell Starc, what's going on there?

tiger1000
April 5, 2018, 05:57 AM
Includes Mitchell Johnson forgets Mitchell Starc, what's going on there?

Based on S/R

As for starc Funny how he couldn't reverse it all the well when they got caught with ball tampering

ronyahm
April 5, 2018, 07:22 AM
1. Malcolm Marshall- Despite the lack of height he will always will be the greatest of them all- deadly accurate combined with pace and arguably the best out swing bowler
2. Mcgrath- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKpThWWgoM8 This over is enough to justify his status
3. Wasim Akram- King of Swing
4. Rubel Hossain- His over vs england :flag::flag::flag::flag:

Tigers_eye
April 5, 2018, 08:42 AM
Wait till Rabada plays test against Ireland and Afghanistan. Adding to that group, Current WI, Zim, SL and BD. That stat line would be insane.

R0ssei
April 5, 2018, 10:03 AM
Down voted thread owner is racist.

I will count your 3 votes for Starc

mufi_02
April 5, 2018, 10:09 AM
1. Malcolm Marshall- Despite the lack of height he will always will be the greatest of them all- deadly accurate combined with pace and arguably the best out swing bowler
2. Mcgrath- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKpThWWgoM8 This over is enough to justify his status
3. Wasim Akram- King of Swing
4. Rubel Hossain- His over vs england :flag::flag::flag::flag:

Rubel Hossain - His over vs....

That can mean so many things. The best to the worst.

R0ssei
April 5, 2018, 10:33 AM
1. Malcolm Marshall- Despite the lack of height he will always will be the greatest of them all- deadly accurate combined with pace and arguably the best out swing bowler
2. Mcgrath- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKpThWWgoM8 This over is enough to justify his status
3. Wasim Akram- King of Swing
4. Rubel Hossain

I will pick the same.

Marshall's run-up is crazy, like our very own Athar Ali Khan. Imran had similar angled/diagonal run-up as well. You don't see these type anymore. As a batsman, it's really hard to concentrate as you have to look at mid-off/extra-cover when you take your stance.

Tigers_eye
April 5, 2018, 11:17 AM
I will count your 3 votes for Starc I protest. Starc can only be counted as 1. Not 3. :) The rules were set at the beginning. Otherwise I would have had Wesley for #1, #2, #3, ...#10. :lol:

DinRaat.
April 5, 2018, 06:21 PM
I will count your 3 votes for Starc

Racist as in you didn't include any bangladeshi's :lol:

Yankees
April 5, 2018, 06:56 PM
1. Steven Smith
2. David Warner
3. Cameron Bancroft

because why would only batsmen plan to ball tamper? Ergo these guys must be the best fast bowlers I have ever seen.

R0ssei
April 5, 2018, 08:07 PM
1. Steven Smith
2. David Warner
3. Cameron Bancroft

because why would only batsmen plan to ball tamper? Ergo these guys must be the best fast bowlers I have ever seen.

Or at least, they know better about reverse swing.

DinRaat.
April 5, 2018, 08:11 PM
No Stuart Binny. His achievements were marvelous.:D

R0ssei
April 5, 2018, 08:19 PM
Racist as in you didn't include any bangladeshi's :lol:

I love Aussies man, especially after meeting the most prettiest girl on Sydney harbour when I was 19 or smth. She gave me a free ice cream & more...

DinRaat.
April 5, 2018, 08:24 PM
I love Aussies man, especially after meeting the most prettiest girl on Sydney harbour when I was 19 or smth. She gave me a free ice cream & more...

Did she take you around the harbor.

Gowza
April 6, 2018, 04:57 AM
Allan donald is extremely underrated, averaged in the low 22s, strike rate of 47 and had respectable averages in every country he played (worst is Pakistan averaging 32.28, then Australia 28.44 the rest all under 25).

Gowza
April 6, 2018, 05:00 AM
I hope rabada's injury doesn't hurt his career, hopefully they don't change his action which they often do with is sort of injury.

R0ssei
April 6, 2018, 07:48 AM
Did she take you around the harbor.

She was selling ice creams :D

We chatted for sometime while my parents were watching me from some distance. Some other story...

One World
April 6, 2018, 09:24 AM
Ambrose, McDermot, Anderson

Antora
April 6, 2018, 11:11 PM
1. Dale Steyn
2. Wasim Akram
3. Glenn McGrath

Nocturnal
April 6, 2018, 11:41 PM
In my cricket time:

1. Wasim Akram
2. Curtly Ambrose
3. Glenn McGrath

Tigers_eye
April 7, 2018, 09:00 AM
So basically it is between Wasim and Marshal. :)

Rifat
April 7, 2018, 09:51 AM
In recent memory, What Trent boult and Tim Southee did to England in 2015 world cup was the best I have ever seen.

Gowza
April 7, 2018, 05:43 PM
In recent memory, What Trent boult and Tim Southee did to England in 2015 world cup was the best I have ever seen.

Agree with this.

Roey Haque
April 7, 2018, 08:38 PM
Too many factors at play. Some of them not even dependent on the bowler himself.

I think these three pacers will bail you out with a spell if your life depended on it.

McGrath
Garner
Marshall

Night_wolf
April 7, 2018, 09:10 PM
khaled mahmud shujon aka gotidanob

Forhad Reza aka pant veja

abul hasan aka the allrounder

R0ssei
April 7, 2018, 09:11 PM
So far (exactly my pick):

1) Glenn McGrath (7 votes)
2) Malcom Marshall (6 votes)
3) Wasim Akram (5 votes)

4) Michael Holding (3 votes)
5) Joel Garner, Curtly Ambrose, Dale Steyn (2 votes)

Few more got only 1 vote.

Shehwar
April 8, 2018, 03:49 AM
From among the ones I’ve been lucky enough to see at their peak:

1. Wasim Akram ( the guy was a magician )

2. Waqar Younis ( the most devastating fast bowler in my eyes for running through a batting order )

3. Glen McGrath ( will bowl the perfect lengths day in and day out and will get you those wickets every match )

Tigers_eye
April 9, 2018, 08:28 AM
So far (exactly my pick):

1) Glenn McGrath (7 votes)
2) Malcom Marshall (6 votes)
3) Wasim Akram (5 votes)

4) Michael Holding (3 votes)
5) Joel Garner, Curtly Ambrose, Dale Steyn (2 votes)

Few more got only 1 vote.Make a point system. #3 gets 3 points. #2 gets 2. #1 gets 3. Boom.

R0ssei
April 9, 2018, 09:24 AM
^
#1 gets 3 while #2 & #3 gets 2 and 3 respectively?

Tigers_eye
April 9, 2018, 01:11 PM
^
#1 gets 3 while #2 & #3 gets 2 and 3 respectively?:lol: Typo. #3 gets 1.

Gowza
April 12, 2018, 03:08 AM
What would be the meanest fast bowling attack?

I reckon it would consist entirely of West Indians. Sylvester Clarke, Colin Croft, Patrick Patterson and Roy Gilchrist.

tiger1000
April 12, 2018, 04:01 AM
What would be the meanest fast bowling attack?

I reckon it would consist entirely of West Indians. Sylvester Clarke, Colin Croft, Patrick Patterson and Roy Gilchrist.

Lee, Akhtar, Donald, Bob Willis, Mitchell Johnson in Australia and South Africa, peak hamrison, Thompson

All would compete for it

Tigers_eye
April 12, 2018, 08:47 AM
What would be the meanest fast bowling attack?

I reckon it would consist entirely of West Indians. Sylvester Clarke, Colin Croft, Patrick Patterson and Roy Gilchrist.(The Bold would be my choice)

However, there is some thing about Wagner that fascinates me. He is oblivion to the fact who he is bowling to. His aggression (without the speed) is unmatchable at any time of the match. Doesn't matter if the team's tail is up or down.

Other meanest would be Ambrose with the right situation. The towering figure already intimidates everyone just like Garner and Holding. None of them took any prisoners. The sight of Marshall steaming in already put fear on the opposite spectators at the stand. Imagine the batsman facing him.

I don't comment on "Chucker and cheater". (Multan)

Gowza
April 12, 2018, 09:11 AM
(The Bold would be my choice)

However, there is some thing about Wagner that fascinates me. He is oblivion to the fact who he is bowling to. His aggression (without the speed) is unmatchable at any time of the match. Doesn't matter if the team's tail is up or down.

Other meanest would be Ambrose with the right situation. The towering figure already intimidates everyone just like Garner and Holding. None of them took any prisoners. The sight of Marshall steaming in already put fear on the opposite spectators at the stand. Imagine the batsman facing him.

I don't comment on "Chucker and cheater". (Multan)

The ones I mentioned were known for wanting to hurt the batsmen. Ambrose up there with them possibly and agree even holding, also walsh at times was a mean bugger.

Tigers_eye
April 12, 2018, 02:18 PM
The ones I mentioned were known for wanting to hurt the batsmen. Ambrose up there with them possibly and agree even holding, also walsh at times was a mean bugger.
True. The WI hound dogs would sacrifice 40 extra runs per innings just to fear in you. Current Cricket rules are so different with unlimited bouncers days.

aklemalp
April 19, 2018, 09:07 AM
Colin Croft right up there.

What about those pacers in the 'Bodyline' series?

BD had a good amount of pacers but they have not been sustainable except for these 3: mashrafe, Rubel, and Shafiul.

Mustafizur is not considered because he is new to the test cricket.