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Night_wolf
June 8, 2018, 03:36 AM
So here is the current ranking. The top 10 team qualifies straight and others play the qualifiers. BD is at 70 points and Scotland is at 66 points. Scotland plays 6 T20s before the cut of day of 31 Dec 2018. 2 each against Pak, Ireland and Netherlands. if Scotland loses against pak and wins the rest 4 they will be at 71 points and goes past us to become number 10.

We have 3 T20s against WI that I know of. Not sure if we have anymore T20s before 31 December 2018. we need to win at least one match vs WI to make sure Scotland remains behind us

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/attachment.php?attachmentid=1991&stc=1&d=1528446761

brockley
June 8, 2018, 03:44 AM
Um doesn't sides 9,10,11 etc play in the Qualifier.
Then the top 2 sides go through.
That was my understandung that their will be a qualifier,which extends the T20 world cup.

SportingBD
June 8, 2018, 03:45 AM
Can Scotland/Ned/UAE overtake us without playing us? If only top 10 qualify?
Like can you overtake someone in the league table without playing them (if they ranked higher).

Night_wolf
June 8, 2018, 03:50 AM
Um doesn't sides 9,10,11 etc play in the Qualifier.
Then the top 2 sides go through.
That was my understandung that their will be a qualifier,which extends the T20 world cup.

actually they brand that as first round of World T20, not the qualifier. we have a qualifier

it goes like this. Top 8 goes straight to round 2. Number 9 and 10 plays 1st Round.

Number 11 to 16 plays the qualifier along with 8 regional qualifiers. Top 6 team in the qualifiers goes to join number 9 and 10 in the 1st round of the WC

The 10 teams used to be the 10 test playing teams, now for 2020 they made it ranking wise

Night_wolf
June 8, 2018, 03:50 AM
Can Scotland/Ned/UAE overtake us without playing us? If only top 10 qualify?
Like can you overtake someone in the league table without playing them (if they ranked higher).

Afg overtook SL without playing them

Roey Haque
June 8, 2018, 12:31 PM
Pak's at 1? Wow. Didn't we brush them aside in 2015 in that sole T20 after the ODI series win? Kudos to them for regrouping, and having a plan in place.

And the king of T20 WI is at 7? Another shock. But you know what WI and Bd has in common. A corrupt and incompetent board.

aklemalp
June 8, 2018, 12:33 PM
what WI and Bd has in common. A corrupt and incompetent board.

Wrong. On whole lotta levels.

Don't compare BCB with CWI.

Rinathq
June 8, 2018, 12:56 PM
I mean do we really deserve direct qualification in this format?

horizon
June 8, 2018, 01:05 PM
This is what I brought up on yesterday match thread.

Scotland has two upcoming T20s against Pakistan. If they win either, they'll be way ahead till September reshuffle. I'm not sure what would happen after that.

simon
June 8, 2018, 01:19 PM
Shukur Alhamdulillah

horizon
June 8, 2018, 01:29 PM
Look at the ranking - there's an interesting pattern. Teams are typically separated by its predecessor and successor by a single-digit margin. However, there's a huge void between 7 (WI) & 8 (Afg) of 23 points and the other between 9(SL) and 10(Ban) of 15 points. It shows the current state of T20.

One World
June 8, 2018, 01:41 PM
Wrong. On whole lotta levels.

Don't compare BCB with CWI.

Care to educate us more?

Roni_uk
June 8, 2018, 02:07 PM
Shukur Alhamdulillah

Lol.... i was going to say, let’s not qualify and humiliate ourselves. We just do not have the fire power to play modern T20. We had couple of fluke wins in the SL, Ind tri-series but apart from it, its all disaster. I would happily sit at number 11 while we build a proper T20 team.

al Furqaan
June 8, 2018, 02:27 PM
I mean do we really deserve direct qualification in this format?

Exactly.

Now its totally merit based. Any team could be forced to qualify. in 2014 it was in intentional slight against BD who were hosting yet had to play in the first round.

At this point in time, in a totally merit based tournament, BD being ranked 10th doesn't deserve any favors. Especially if we aren't hosting a tournament.

roman
June 8, 2018, 02:29 PM
Good. One less torture

Night_wolf
June 8, 2018, 11:30 PM
I mean do we really deserve direct qualification in this format?

absolutely not. TBH I am rooting for Scotland

Night_wolf
June 8, 2018, 11:51 PM
This is what I brought up on yesterday match thread.

Scotland has two upcoming T20s against Pakistan. If they win either, they'll be way ahead till September reshuffle. I'm not sure what would happen after that.

unless pak take ghush I don't think sco can beat pak. sco doesn't need to win vs pak to overtake us. they have 2 matches each vs ire and ned. t20 ranking predictor shows that if sco wins that 4 match they will be on 71 points. but you are right if sco manages one win vs pak then we are done for

Rinathq
June 9, 2018, 12:25 AM
BD not playing the T20 WC will force BCB to do something..that's the only way they will care.

hoodlum
June 9, 2018, 07:11 AM
Soon they will be take UAE's spot at 14.

simon
June 9, 2018, 09:21 AM
BD not playing the T20 WC will force BCB to do something..that's the only way they will care.

what will BCB do ?
turn Tanvir Hayder into Rashid Khan or Mosaddek into Perera or Sakib into Narayon ?

The truth is we have no talented players for T20, we saw BPL, no real talent, they tried BPL superstars like Abu JAyed, did not work.
We have a dark T20 past/present and future , there is no getting out.

Night_wolf
June 9, 2018, 09:25 AM
what will BCB do ?
turn Tanvir Hayder into Rashid Khan or Mosaddek into Perera or Sakib into Narayon ?

The truth is we have no talented players for T20, we saw BPL, no real talent, they tried BPL superstars like Abu JAyed, did not work.
We have a dark T20 past/present and future , there is no getting out.

talent ki amni amni asbe? bcb goons do nothing. no a team tour. domestic in shambles, no internal T20. no coach for 8 months.

simon
June 9, 2018, 09:34 AM
talent ki amni amni asbe? bcb goons do nothing. no a team tour. domestic in shambles, no internal T20. no coach for 8 months.

ya I know, but seriously T20 is just not our game.
even when we had a regular coach we sucked in T20
so many seasons of BPL, still not a single T20 specialist.
T20 is smart cricket or power cricket, we have none, no brain,no muscle.

somethings are just not meant to be.

Night_wolf
June 9, 2018, 09:38 AM
ya I know, but seriously T20 is just not our game.
even when we had a regular coach we sucked in T20
so many seasons of BPL, still not a single T20 specialist.
T20 is smart cricket or power cricket, we have none, no brain,no muscle.

somethings are just not meant to be.

agree but may be if we miss World T20 BCB will notice because of public scrutiny and do something to save our cricket and we may salvage the other two formats.

I absolutely agree that T20 is hopeless for us unless we get some steroids infused orange juice

cricket_king
June 9, 2018, 06:05 PM
Great discussion. Looks like everyone's in agreement that, to obtain success in the T20 format, we must first face humiliation by not qualifying for the WT20.

Surely the public will call for BCB's head.

bujhee kom
June 9, 2018, 06:23 PM
All these plus/minus,
push/pull,
deduction/addition,
by some fluke chance,
sheer luck,
If only the Lord bless us,
If the other team(s) screw up, meaning if somehow one of them from above us falls down the stairs accidentally, and baaam, we get a chance to walk up the ladder,

is NOT about our team's skill or about our BD cricket - it is that same old pathetic, loser mentality, if aid comes our way, and FINALLY - "Ki Questions, Proshno Common porse Porikkhatey?"
"Ji Auntie, amar Bhugol-e shob proshono eibar-er SSC-te common chilo...Alhamdulillah, Allah amar porikkha-ta khub shohoj kore diesen, Star Mark - First Division peye gesi...Letter Mark peyesi...Now I will become a Bhougolik."
May Allah save the world from this Bhougolik....Then, that was NOT an exam, just like then that is NOT the skill and performance of a 'sport', any sport...that is Hinomonnota...Kaarchupi...Bhikkha...Begging!
We Spineless, if we can't play against the top 8, 6, 10 whatever, Mano o Mano....We should NOT be wishing to compete against them.

BTW, it is okay to beg to one's God for forgiveness/mercy with sincerity for the wrong he/she committed and his/her sins - whatever those maybe. It is NOT cool to beg to one's Lord for an EZ Pass to a sport competition or mercy pass in an academic exam!

godzilla
June 9, 2018, 08:31 PM
We don't deserve to quality automatically. If by the cut off date we are still at 10, make us qualify. If we can't win against sco/use/etc, stay the fudge home in your free flat that you get for winning a match or two.

horizon
June 10, 2018, 03:27 PM
unless pak take ghush I don't think sco can beat pak. sco doesn't need to win vs pak to overtake us. they have 2 matches each vs ire and ned. t20 ranking predictor shows that if sco wins that 4 match they will be on 71 points. but you are right if sco manages one win vs pak then we are done for

I hope you don't say that England took ghush today to get beaten by Scotland. BTW, England is #1 in ICC ODI ranking. As we've seen in the ODI qualifiers, the gap between top associates and Test teams is not that big anymore. Throw in the home advantage and you can get a close match, especially in T20 format.

Night_wolf
June 10, 2018, 03:32 PM
I hope you don't say that England took ghush today to get beaten by Scotland. BTW, England is #1 in ICC ODI ranking. As we've seen in the ODI qualifiers, the gap between top associates and Test teams is not that big anymore. Throw in the home advantage and you can get a close match, especially in T20 format.

tbh on contrary I think t20 is the format where the gap is huge. not so much in ODIs anymore

I still don't think sco can beat pak but lets see. I hope sco beats pak because I want us to play the qualifiers

horizon
June 10, 2018, 03:42 PM
tbh on contrary I think t20 is the format where the gap is huge. not so much in ODIs anymore

I still don't think sco can beat pak but lets see. I hope sco beats pak because I want us to play the qualifiers

Yeah, this could be true. Associates are still "figuring out" T20 I guess. Scotland's only win against a Test team in T20 was against Bangladesh (2012).

It looks bad that the ODI WC is down to 10 teams just when the teams actually arrived. :(

MarufH
June 10, 2018, 05:24 PM
Thought I would eave this here since we are talking about Scots: http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18513/scorecard/1124639/scotland-vs-england-only-odi-england-tour-of-scotland-2018/

brockley
June 10, 2018, 07:59 PM
Time for Bangladesh to play the Scotts.
They the Scotts will put pressure on the table as they should bt Holland and Ireland in a T20 tri series.
Is Bangladesh above Scotland,time to play them and find out.

Yankees
June 10, 2018, 08:20 PM
Thought I would eave this here since we are talking about Scots: http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18513/scorecard/1124639/scotland-vs-england-only-odi-england-tour-of-scotland-2018/

SCO ODI is significantly better than SCO T20.

brockley
June 10, 2018, 11:04 PM
Scotland Scotland Scotland.

brockley
June 11, 2018, 12:42 AM
A British Isles tour by Bangladesh in order.Maybe even a test.Not an A tour.

adamnsu
June 11, 2018, 05:45 AM
Most of our current players do not have the mental or physical aptitude to play T20. I think its vital our players play more T20 with lower ranked sides. The way BPL matches are setup with low scoring matches is also counter productive.

aklemalp
June 11, 2018, 09:01 AM
Why can't BD find a guy who swings the bat like crazy at the opener's slot?

Look at that Shahzad dude? A hack, but a productive one at that.
Even Sunil Narine

anon4567
June 11, 2018, 12:21 PM
^ Tamim Iqbal seems to be playing more defensively these days, in the Power Play overs. His strikerate of late has been poor.

I think BD wants Litton Das to take up that power hitter opener mantle and for TI to build his innings around him, but Litton has done poorly so far.

Night_wolf
June 11, 2018, 07:22 PM
scots will be playing their first t20 since Jan 2017 and they are contention for automatic qualification. ICC is truly the worst sports governing body in the world

Tausif
June 11, 2018, 08:40 PM
Good, take that automatic qualification away from us. We have no idea what we are doing in T20s and have players that are not suited for this format at all. Until we figure that out, we do not deserve any automatic qualification.

aklemalp
June 11, 2018, 08:44 PM
T20 is not real cricket

One World
June 12, 2018, 12:10 PM
PAK vs PAK going on

One World
June 12, 2018, 12:21 PM
Seems like Ireland is also going to face defeat against PAK in the other match :lol:

bujhee kom
June 12, 2018, 12:23 PM
T20 is not real cricket

I absolutely totally agree with you, akle!
If anyone wants to complain about the traditional game of cricket being TOO long, then don't watch it or play it. The whole concept of the game of cricket is about time and patience. it is a game of push and pull. it is a game about nerve, 'patience' and experience, just as it is about athleticism, skill and physical attribute. When it comes to calm and patience, cricket has a reflection similar to the game of chess.

Also, in my point of view, cricket should never have been cut short with limited overs. ODI can be accepted and tolerated to a certain extent. There should NEVER have any place for colorful attire/clothing in cricket - and cheer-leading? What garbage! I am NOT talking about maintaining a sport in it's purist form, i am talking about preservation - preserving the basic identity of a sport!

One World
June 12, 2018, 12:26 PM
^That is a great analogy

aklemalp
June 12, 2018, 01:20 PM
I absolutely totally agree with you, akle!
If anyone wants to complain about the traditional game of cricket being TOO long, then don't watch it or play it. The whole concept of the game of cricket is about time and patience. it is a game of push and pull. it is a game as about nerve, patience and skill, experience as it it is about athleticism. About calm and patience, cricket has a reflection similar to the game of chess.

Also, in my point of view, cricket should never have been cut short with limited overs. ODI can be accepted and tolerated to a certain extent. There should NEVER have any place for colorful attire/clothing in cricket - and cheer-leading? What garbage! I am NOT talking about maintaining a sport in it's purist form, i am talking about preservation - preserving the basic identity of a sport!

You have crafted this so artistically. We've always heard that test cricket is the pinnacle of the game.

I grew up hearing this from my father (RIP), my youth cricket support staff, and the Legendary Tony Cozier (RIP).

bujhee kom
June 12, 2018, 01:35 PM
^That is a great analogy

Thank you, One World bhaiya. I am glad that you thought that.

In cricket, why is test match so important, and most valued and honored?
I believe that it is simply because of the 'draws' as one of the three possible outcomes/results of a test match.
a. you or your opponent can win or lose,
b. a match can be abandoned, have 'no result' under certain circumstances,
or, c. you can have a 'draw'.

In cricket, in a test match or first class cricket(4 day match), you can a snatch a draw from your opponent's strong possible winning position (deny your opponent of a win). And I mean by performance and grit, NOT by the grace of weather/rain/sudden thunder or snow storm, or by 'unusual' or unexpected' bad light, a random riot in the city etc. For a strong winning team to be thrown into a draw by the sheer determination, nerve, skill of the tail-enders or 11th man of the weaker opposition and maybe some luck - is like a lose to the strong team who was expecting and all set, very close to win a night ago! That's why a 'draw' in a test match could also be very interesting, and we hear journalist/cricket writers talking about while reminiscing great drawn matches of the past.

I am also NOT talking about test matches that are just run-fest and get drawn due to no intention or just aimless playing.

iDumb
June 12, 2018, 02:35 PM
T20 is not real cricket

you know I have come to agree with this some what after all these years.

Sheikh_Saheb
June 13, 2018, 08:17 PM
We do love test cricket, no two ways about it.
But with attention spans being what they are. Keeping a majority of TVs tuned into the same channel or a phone/pc on the match url is a challenge. Its a challenge in a 50 over game, more so in a 5 day game. Ad revenues drive the telecast and modern tech has made it easy to track how many are watching. Short attention spans contributed to the rise of 50 and 20 over cricket. This is what the ad pushers are after. Money makes the world go round.

Cheers,
Siraj

DinRaat.
June 13, 2018, 08:19 PM
Test cricket caters to a very niche martket, the stark reality is some of us don't have time, to waste hours watching teams score at a RPO of 3.0 or take wickets every 50-30 overs.

Yankees
June 13, 2018, 08:24 PM
The only downside to not qualifying automatically is that when we play qualifiers, and Tamim scores a 100 against Oman or Neapl, half of you will declare him the greatest player ever

aklemalp
June 13, 2018, 08:32 PM
Test cricket caters to a very niche martket, the stark reality is some of us don't have time, to waste hours watching teams score at a RPO of 3.0 or take wickets every 50-30 overs.

That's the beauty.

horizon
June 14, 2018, 02:19 AM
I love Test cricket but at the same time, I realize T20 is the only format in which cricket can be globalized. It's the only format that can be played in the Olympics. if that means cricket is doomed, then that's what it is.

Shadow
June 14, 2018, 03:15 AM
The only downside to not qualifying automatically is that when we play qualifiers, and Tamim scores a 100 against Oman or Neapl, half of you will declare him the greatest player ever

No one calls him the greatest player ever. He is better than the other openers in Bangladesh and that's it.

DinRaat.
June 14, 2018, 03:24 AM
That's the beauty.

Then you are apart of that niche. TBH I just watch a few overs, come back and watch a few more overs.

Unless it is the last session where the winner will be decided, I try not to watch the whole match in its entirety, its way too time consuming.

aklemalp
June 14, 2018, 07:23 AM
Then you are apart of that niche. TBH I just watch a few overs, come back and watch a few more overs.

Unless it is the last session where the winner will be decided, I try not to watch the whole match in its entirety, its way too time consuming.
Yeah, good on you.

brockley
June 16, 2018, 08:15 PM
Scotland 3 losses,now 1 against Ireland 20th.
Seems from 9 to 20th it is close.

Night_wolf
June 16, 2018, 08:55 PM
with sco losing we might be able to hold on to 10th place

brockley
June 16, 2018, 09:34 PM
Depends how Zimbabwe do against Pakistan and Australia.Who are not playing well.

Night_wolf
June 16, 2018, 10:05 PM
Depends how Zimbabwe do against Pakistan and Australia.Who are not playing well.

as per t20 ranking predictor zim needs to win vs both aus and pak..don't see this happening

brockley
June 17, 2018, 03:09 AM
Ah zimbabwe on 58 with holland.When was it updated.

Night_wolf
June 18, 2018, 09:31 PM
with scot's tie with ire we survived the scotland scare.

now only Zim can take over us if they win vs pak and aus which is highly unlikely

Night_wolf
June 18, 2018, 09:34 PM
funny thing is if the current ranking stays untill dec 31, Afg will play the 2nd round straight and SL along with us will play the 1st round

brockley
June 19, 2018, 09:47 PM
If Scotland bt Ireland tomorrow they win the series,Scotland have 1 win 1 tie,Ireland 1 tie and and a win,Holland has 2 wins.Scotland would go up from 64 points Northward to Bangladesh who are on 70.

brockley
June 20, 2018, 10:14 PM
Scotland won the series,I guess they go up from 64 points.
Zimbabwe has picked a weak side against Zimbabwe and Pakistan,players strike,so only way is down.

Fazal
June 25, 2018, 03:36 PM
To me.... smaller risk and I can handle that.

The bigger risk is we can again be the laughing stock of cricket world.