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fwullah
May 26, 2004, 12:20 PM
Enamul Haque Junior, Alamgir Kabir and Alok Kapali are out from the 12-man national team for the 1st test.

fwullah
May 26, 2004, 12:23 PM
Source: channel I 11 O'clock sports news.

Tareq Aziz is most certainly to play his debut test match in the 1st test.

If the team management decides to play with 6 specialist batsman, then the team line up is like this:

1. Javed Omar
2. Hannan Sarkar
3. Habibul Bashar
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Foisal Hossain
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mushfiqur Rahman
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Tareq Aziz
11. Tapash Baisya

And, if the team management decides to play with an extra bowler, then Monjurul Islam Rana will play in place of Foisal Hossain.

fwullah
May 26, 2004, 12:24 PM
The final eleven players will be decided by tonight.

Nasif
May 26, 2004, 12:24 PM
Its bad idea to keep rana out of team.

rafiq
May 26, 2004, 12:30 PM
The inevitable "doesn't make sense team". so 3 spinners won't happen, we don't even see 2 spinners in FW's team.

Rana can bat as well as Mushfiq, and Mushfiq's pace will not bother WI batsmen. But Rana's spin might. So why don't we play Rana in place of Mushfiq?

billah
May 26, 2004, 12:35 PM
Rana gets runs practically every time he bats.

Rubu
May 26, 2004, 01:40 PM
why don't we change tareq aziz with rana. tareq's pace attack is, at his best, utter useless. there is no point of having tareq and mushfique togather in the team. as someone in other thread said, wi players even will not recognize the difference between tareq and mushfique. but mushfiq can bat better than tareq and thats keep him ahead of tareq. but rana stays a few step ahead of all of them. in fact, i'd exchange rana for any of the following: javed, rajin, mushfiq, aziz.

EngWIndian
May 26, 2004, 02:24 PM
Ok, im confused, why did they take Rana out :-/:-/:-/

its as bad as Replacing Tino Best and Edwards with Sanford and Dillon.

Beamer
May 26, 2004, 02:33 PM
you bet rana will play. it will come down between mushfy and tareq.

pagol-chagol
May 26, 2004, 02:34 PM
Nobody is taking Rana out. Its just speculation.

RANA is absolutely, surely, definitely, beyond any doubt IN. Unless he is injured I can wager anything that he is playing.

My guess would be Mushfiq or Tarek out. I would pick Mushfiq for his batting. I don't think Tarek can penetrate WI any more than Mushfiq.

Zephaniah
May 26, 2004, 02:45 PM
Rana is THE consistant player in the team, so he plays. Mushfi plays as well but Aziz doesn't. Aziz & Kabir can only bother Zimbo batsmen, not others!

1. Javed Omar
2. Hannan Sarkar
3. Habibul Bashar
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Foisal Hossain
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Manjarul Islam Rana
9. Mushfiqur Rahman
10. Mohammad Rafique
11. Tapash Baisya

This team shall play.

6 proper batsmen (are they?)
2 allrounders ( ooyeah it counts for BD due to obvious batting collapse)
2 quality SLAs
1.5 quickies
& part-timers here and there.

Even this composition should be enough for a draw.

Ahmed_B
May 26, 2004, 02:48 PM
Perhaps it's not about who is scoring more runs..
maybe its Pace vs. Spin decided by pitch.(as fw mentioned)
that makes the choice Rana vs. Tareq

Beamer
May 26, 2004, 02:49 PM
forget ranas batting here. he is included by virtue of being a specialist spin bowler. otherwise, enamul won't be sitting out. like i said it will come down between mushfy and tareq. now that faisal is a lock at no6 and rana at no7, all of a sudden the need for mushfies bat has lessened a bit. remember that mushfy played as a no6 batsman before in tests.
if they are extra cautious about batting, they will take mushfy as well, leaving tareq out though he can take wkts sometimes.

pagol-chagol
May 26, 2004, 03:26 PM
If Rana didn't know how to bat he would be in the 11 by virtue of his bowling(since Jr. is out).

If Rana didn't know how to ball he would be in the 11 by virtue of his batting (Since no one else is in better form).

He is in either way regardless of the pitch even if we play with tennis balls.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by pagol-chagol]

Ahmed_B
May 26, 2004, 03:36 PM
These factors may work:

1. Faisal's inclusion.. so we can spare Rana's batting

2. Lara/Sarwan/ChandPawl plays spin well.. so Rana may be spared (thoug Rana did well against the later two of them)

or,
Rana will be played if the pitch favors spin
Mushfiq will probably not be dropped in either case.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by crickethorizon]

reverse_swing
May 26, 2004, 03:37 PM
I think either Rana or Tareq Aziz.

SS
May 26, 2004, 03:46 PM
no matter rana or tareq play all are
same
if ran plays add 30 runs
else if tarek plays add 1 wkt extra
otherwise
no extra 30 runs no extra one wkt

Asif
May 26, 2004, 03:49 PM
TextWhatEver, bangladeshi Batsmans suck ... we are loosing by a huge margin .. even innings defeat is also very much likely ... not being a passimist .. its just dire truth. :bird:

pagol-chagol
May 26, 2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
2. Lara/Sarwan/ChandPawl plays spin well.. so Rana may be spared (thoug Rana did well against the later two of them)

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by crickethorizon]

There is a famuous Bangladeshi KOTHA that seems appropriate here.
"Mushfiq/Tarek will be swept away in Sir Lara's urine."

BangladeshFan
May 26, 2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Originally posted by crickethorizon
2. Lara/Sarwan/ChandPawl plays spin well.. so Rana may be spared (thoug Rana did well against the later two of them)

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by crickethorizon]

There is a famuous Bangladeshi KOTHA that seems appropriate here.
"Mushfiq/Tarek will be swept away in Sir Lara's urine."
the best would be just to play the best team we have. sir lara can sweep anything away when he gets going. so just play your best and hope for the best.:fanflag:

ZaKi
May 26, 2004, 04:34 PM
Rafiq wrote The inevitable "doesn't make sense team". so 3 spinners won't happen, we don't even see 2 spinners in FW's team.

Rana can bat as well as Mushfiq, and Mushfiq's pace will not bother WI batsmen. But Rana's spin might. So why don't we play Rana in place of Mushfiq?


I think he is right. we should change Rana in place of Mushfiq. shouldn't we ?:info:

wasif
May 26, 2004, 05:56 PM
I ACCEPT YOUR ARGUMENT IN STRONG ENOUGH

BD Tigers
May 26, 2004, 09:31 PM
I think it will come down to either Mushfiq or Foisal. Everybody is thinking Foisal is given. But according to Prothom Alo, he's not.

Rubu
May 26, 2004, 11:47 PM
this is never ever happened before. we never had TWO inform player in the team at the same time. and now we do: faisal and rana. i can't even imagine how the question of sparing anyone of them comes up. here is what i think:

Javed can be changed by: rana
Hannan can be changed by: rana
Habibul can be changed by: faisal
asharaful can be changed by: none
rajin can be changed by: rana & faisal
mushfiq can be changed by: rana & faisal
pilot can be changed by: none
taposh can be changed by: none
rafique can be changed by: none
tareq can be changed by: whoever

i'll call the dav-faruk-sumon selection board DUMB if they leaves any one of them out as u can see rana can come instead of five players and faisal can come in instead of four players. i'm making this "replacable" on current form of the players, not on so called talent or useless stats. yeah, since consistancy is not a virtue of bd players, stats are useless too.

tell me why even tareq and alamgir are in the team?

Mridul
May 26, 2004, 11:54 PM
either Rana or Faisal will play....Tareq Aziz is playing for sure according to the news

Rubu
May 27, 2004, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Mridul
either Rana or Faisal will play....Tareq Aziz is playing for sure according to the news

i know, but i don't know why. i really think tareq/alamgir are not good enough even for the 18 player squad, let alone 11. and the 3 day match showed even more how useless they are. this is just dumb. we can even change the cap'n or his deputy for rana/faisal.

i just read the news on bangladesherkhela.com and surprised to see that, the report is a total crap. it says 3 pacers, taposh, tareq and monju. where the hell is monju coming from, he is not even in the squad? also, when they said 12 player team, they named 13 and went like " these 6 batsmen..." they named seven.

so, i'll say, these squad is at best, VUA.

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by AgentSmith : report's criticism added]

sage
May 27, 2004, 12:49 AM
Rana will be in. I can put money on it.

Flip Master Mick
May 27, 2004, 02:03 AM
This is how the team will look tomorrow...

Javed Omar
Hannan Sarkar
Habib-ul-Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraf
Faisal Hussain
Manzur Rana
Mushfiq-ur-Rahman
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Tapash Baisya

but this is what i would like to see...

Javed Omar
Hannan Sarkar
Habib-ul-Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraf
Faisal Hussain
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Tapash Baisya
Tareq Aziz
Enam-ul-Haq

i have basically replaced Rana and Mushfiq with Tareq and Enam. Test cricket is a game of specialists and we have six specialist batsmen. nonetheless, whatmore will go for rana and mushfiq because of their multi faceted skills. This is in effect a defensive move on our part but what other choice do we have playing Lara & Co in the West Indies with very limited firepower in either discipline. moreover, i don't know if the selectors are willing to gamble with either tareq or enam.

Ahmed_B
May 27, 2004, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Originally posted by crickethorizon
2. Lara/Sarwan/ChandPawl plays spin well.. so Rana may be spared (thoug Rana did well against the later two of them)


There is a famuous Bangladeshi KOTHA that seems appropriate here.
"Mushfiq/Tarek will be swept away in Sir Lara's urine."

Lets be a bit more Fair to Mushfiq/Tareq.. shall we? Lets say it like this...
"If 'Sir Lara' happens to be in mood(not saying form, because his performance probably depends more on his mood than his form) Mushfiq/Tareq/Rana/Tapash or Ash/Rajin(they may bowl as change bowlers).... are all gonna be swept away in his urine!" ;)

Rafiq is perhaps the only 'guy' who will stand high on that pitch! Lets not focuss all the ill's only on Mushfiq/Tareq.

And Also...

*Tareq Gets wickets. Maybe he is being underestimated.
*WI will make the pitch Pace-favored... that's obvious!
*Faisal Deserves a place because the team is really suffering from lack of batting strength(do not confuse Faisal with Rana, because Faisal is probably a better choice than Rana in batting)
*Rana stays out of one match, doesn't mean he is Cut-Off from the team. Capable players do stay out due to match-to-match conditions.


[Edited on 27-5-2004 by crickethorizon]

abhs
May 27, 2004, 08:47 AM
Rana will not be playing the 1st test, Faisal will be in the X1.

The team management confirmed it today.

Source: Channel I news

Beamer
May 27, 2004, 10:42 AM
Agentsmith, I agree. I was reading the bangladesherkhela report as well and I was astonished. Misinformations, abol-tabol banan bhul run supreme there.

Navarene
May 27, 2004, 10:45 AM
The final eleven for the first test against WI:
1. Hannan Sarkar
2. Javed Omar Belim
3. Habibul Bashar
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Mohammed Ashraful
6. Faisal Hossain Dickens
7. Mushfiqur Rahman
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammed Rafique
10. Tareque Aziz
11. Tapash Baisya

After inspecting the pitch and a long discussion, the think tank decided to go for 6 batsmen as Rana will be in side bench for Mushfique Babu. I am satisfied with the selection.

Source: Channel I News

Beamer
May 27, 2004, 11:05 AM
Pretty strong batting line-up on paper. expect a lot of rajin and ashraful with the ball as the second and thrid spinning option.

SS
May 27, 2004, 12:06 PM
this is insane..RANA is out..can't believe it

billah
May 27, 2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by SS
this is insane..RANA is out..can't believe it

Yes, the only player that performed is out. Insane indeed.

reyme
May 27, 2004, 02:16 PM
Taking Rana out is insane. He could have taken 2/3 wickets or added 25-30 valuable runs for sure.

Javed will give nothing more than 10 runs in 2 innings. He will get out fast and create huge pressure on the middle order, prompmting some potential batting collapse. I dont know why Dave cant see this coming....Javed is an experienced batsman, but he is just NOT in form.

Ashtanshi
May 27, 2004, 03:21 PM
I was expecting a team like --

1. Faisal Hossain Dickens
2. Manjarul Islam Rana
3. Hannan Sarkar
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Rajin Saleh
6. Mohammed Ashraful
7. Mushfiqur Rahman
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammed Rafique
10. Tareque Aziz
11. Tapash Baisya

Reason:
1. None of our "so far established" batsman can play fast bowl.
2. Both 1&2 have opening experience and all our experiment with other pairs so far have failed.
3. There are more to write but pretty sure you all will also find those reasonings.

reverse_swing
May 27, 2004, 03:28 PM
Both 1&2 have opening experience and all our experiment with other pairs so far have failed.

Faisal is actually a middle order batsman & he yet to play as an opener.



[Edited on 27-5-2004 by reverse_swing]

reyme
May 27, 2004, 03:48 PM
Ashtanshi is right. Faisal might not have openning experience, but will not struggle as much as Javed in the first few overs and have better potential. Lets not forget how Javed struggled in Australia. Javed might do well in the subcontinent pitches, but not in WI. He has been proving me right already.

I do wish Javed play well, and hope that he can build up a solid partnership, so that our middle order can play their natural games. Our batsmen tend to do well when they are not in pressure, so a good openning partnership is the most important and will set up the tone for the rest of the batting. My observation is if you must play Javed, let him play in the middle order.

Chuck
May 27, 2004, 05:46 PM
Until BD openers can last more than five overs, they don't have a prayer. How can a team bat with confidence when their openers consistently break like straw? Can no one on this team step up and bat consistently?

That being said, good luck to Bangladesh. I admire your passion.

Mridul
May 27, 2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by reverse_swing


Faisal is actually a middle order batsman & he yet to play as an opener.



[Edited on 27-5-2004 by reverse_swing]


...he started his cricketing career as an Opener though