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Out_You_Go
July 31, 2018, 04:55 AM
So guys,

We have got a new coach. And this coach wins a rare overseas series in this first-ever assignment against a pretty decent WI side.. although, the test series was pretty f*cked up.

So what are your first impressions?

Share away and any updates regarding the coach, this methods, interviews, tactics etc., please share them here.

adamnsu
July 31, 2018, 07:04 AM
TBH the win is a numerical statistic but one cant have form a proper opinion about him untill he has atleast 6 months of time with the team.

Fazal
July 31, 2018, 08:45 AM
....he is basically an observer in this series.

Tausif
July 31, 2018, 08:52 AM
^Correct. I'd say maybe starting Asia Cup we can start making an opinion about him. He would have some time by then to sit down and start making some tactical changes with the squad.

SportingBD
July 31, 2018, 08:55 AM
Slowly starting to like this guy...

Then again Mash can make any coach look good..

aklemalp
July 31, 2018, 09:13 AM
Back to a format where BD is making huge leaps in...

Steven Rhodes' first foray in T20Is with the national team.
Learning curves.

R0ssei
July 31, 2018, 12:35 PM
I didn't watch the tests. But I kept a keen eye whenever the camera rolled on to him during the ODI's. As he was just knowing the team, I was expecting to see him writing notes or smth. He is definitely not a laptop coach. Sometimes he even seemed not much interested in the game.

Anyway, the result is right there. A tournament like Asia Cup or a test series would be a good scale to judge him down the road.

zura
July 31, 2018, 02:26 PM
Too early for him. If he can turn Liton into a consistent run scorer, I would say it would be a massive success for the team.

Jadukor
August 4, 2018, 05:49 AM
Can Steve Rhodes turn Soumya's form around? That would be such a massive boost before WC.

tiger1000
August 4, 2018, 09:34 AM
Can Steve Rhodes turn Soumya's form around? That would be such a massive boost before WC.

If Sarkar can recapture his form it'll give us arguably the best opening partnership in the game with Tamim Averaging 60+ for few years and Sarkar 45+ with 100+ SR

zura
August 4, 2018, 10:49 AM
If Sarkar can recapture his form it'll give us arguably the best opening partnership in the game with Tamim Averaging 60+ for few years and Sarkar 45+ with 100+ SR

Sarkar is done. The way he got out against Nurse (1st T20) shows exactly how far he has fallen. He isn't even good enough to add 20-30 quick runs anymore. He only gets chances because Shakib likes him.

Shadow
August 4, 2018, 12:56 PM
Can Steve Rhodes turn Soumya's form around? That would be such a massive boost before WC.

It's mostly up to Soumya himself.

Gowza
August 4, 2018, 08:42 PM
I maintain liton isn’t ready to be a t20 bat, at least not a permanent fixture of the t20 team yet, would be better to coach him to be a consistent test and ODI bat more than anything else, he’s starting to go the sabbir/soumya route, lots of talent but not developing the consistency, I still give him a better shot at t as he is at least consistent domestically unlike the other 2.

BengaliPagol
August 4, 2018, 10:58 PM
I maintain liton isn’t ready to be a t20 bat, at least not a permanent fixture of the t20 team yet, would be better to coach him to be a consistent test and ODI bat more than anything else, he’s starting to go the sabbir/soumya route, lots of talent but not developing the consistency, I still give him a better shot at t as he is at least consistent domestically unlike the other 2.

Liton should be a starter in T20s. None of this consistent dropping and changing. He is next in our pipeline and is our future and exposure to T20s will help him transition into the other formats effectively and then the confidence gained will enable him to be a consistent performer for us in all formats.

He is way better than Soumya when it comes to technique, way better temperament, and matches Soumya's clean hitting as well. And he is absolutely dominated domestics for a long time now and Soumya has never really dominated domestics ever.

Gowza
August 4, 2018, 11:30 PM
Liton should be a starter in T20s. None of this consistent dropping and changing. He is next in our pipeline and is our future and exposure to T20s will help him transition into the other formats effectively and then the confidence gained will enable him to be a consistent performer for us in all formats.

He is way better than Soumya when it comes to technique, way better temperament, and matches Soumya's clean hitting as well. And he is absolutely dominated domestics for a long time now and Soumya has never really dominated domestics ever.

T20s has been liton’s weakest format his entire career, he certainly has he strike rate but he just struggles to score runs, I think he’d find it easier to get his groove in the other formats before t20.

BengaliPagol
August 5, 2018, 06:45 PM
T20s has been liton’s weakest format his entire career, he certainly has he strike rate but he just struggles to score runs, I think he’d find it easier to get his groove in the other formats before t20.

thing is if it is bilateral T20s no one really cares about the outcome. So it is a great opportunity to blood youngsters and upcoming players to get used to international cricket as a whole

Gowza
August 5, 2018, 07:30 PM
thing is if it is bilateral T20s no one really cares about the outcome. So it is a great opportunity to blood youngsters and upcoming players to get used to international cricket as a whole

I agree as long as the player is given the mental freedom to know his spot in other formats or even in this particular format for a certain period of time is relatively safe so said player can go out there without being nervous of position for next match.

I realise BD youngsters in some respects have been given a long rope but the choppy changey selection is different to other countries where they stick with someone for awhile, checkout stats of other players like maxwell, markram, Mitchell Marsh, kusal perera, kusal mendis. Sure someone of them got dropped here and there but I think if you look at there careers they probably got longer periods of selection and time in the playing xi than some BD players.

I could be wrong, I mean I know sabbir especially hasn’t been chopped and changed as much but even soumya, he’s always competed with imrul, liton, anamul, mominul a bit, Zakir Hasan came in for one match as an opener in t20s. Even shakib, mushy and riyad have had goes in the number 3 spot which is a position soumya competes for. Sabbir as well over that WC period.

If you pick players you need to give them a certain amount of matches, youngsters in all countries these days tend to struggle and it often takes them 40+ matches to adjust to international level. Best is to give a player 3 straight series (maybe more depending on how many matches are in each series eg for BD with tests 2-3 series just isn’t enough).

And don’t forget BD in general play less matches so we can’t compare a BD youngster who’s been around the team for 3 years with a youngster from Australia or South Africa or india who’s been around those teams for 3 years because more than likely those youngsters will have played 10-20 more matches (possibly even more) than the BD youngsters.

BCB really need to start building a good solid schedule of matches, tamim, shakib, mushy, riyad should’ve played over 100 test matches by now and at least 300-400 ODIs. Mominul should’ve played close to 50 tests by now.

Obviously no spot is ever guaranteed but if players go out there soo nervous they can barely play then there is a problem, course it’s part and parcel of this profession so players need to learn to deal with that pressure.

What’s shanto up to? He was just in WI so on the cusp of the national playing xi but he doesn’t get a game for the A team when he’s in the squad? If he is in Ireland and he is fit then there is no reason why he shouldn’t be in those playing xi’s

Gowza
August 6, 2018, 12:18 AM
Btw happy to be proved wrong with liton today, good on the young man, I’ve been a backer of him for a long time so good to see him finally play a meaningful t20 innings.

Shadow
August 6, 2018, 12:22 AM
Btw happy to be proved wrong with liton today, good on the young man, I’ve been a backer of him for a long time so good to see him finally play a meaningful t20 innings.

Thanks to his innings after a long time Bangladesh scored some runs in the first six overs in the t20Is. I hope he does well if he gets a chance to open in the next series.

zura
August 6, 2018, 12:38 AM
Btw happy to be proved wrong with liton today, good on the young man, I’ve been a backer of him for a long time so good to see him finally play a meaningful t20 innings.

He seems to be good for the powerplay and that's it. He got 14 runs from 18 balls after the power-play. He isn't someone you can expect to put up more than 20-25 runs. We should definitely look for someone else for the ODI

BengaliPagol
August 6, 2018, 01:09 AM
Liton should be a starter in T20s. None of this consistent dropping and changing. He is next in our pipeline and is our future and exposure to T20s will help him transition into the other formats effectively and then the confidence gained will enable him to be a consistent performer for us in all formats.

He is way better than Soumya when it comes to technique, way better temperament, and matches Soumya's clean hitting as well. And he is absolutely dominated domestics for a long time now and Soumya has never really dominated domestics ever.

hahaha i made this comment before Liton's innings today. I feel like I am Yoda.

BengaliPagol
August 6, 2018, 01:11 AM
He seems to be good for the powerplay and that's it. He got 14 runs from 18 balls after the power-play. He isn't someone you can expect to put up more than 20-25 runs. We should definitely look for someone else for the ODI

Did you not watch how the wickets were tumbling in the middle period of the game lol. What is he going to do, still go at a 200 sr? Or be a bit circumspect of the situation.

And besides he ended up with a 190 sr like LOL

Yankees
August 6, 2018, 01:32 AM
He seems to be good for the powerplay and that's it. He got 14 runs from 18 balls after the power-play. He isn't someone you can expect to put up more than 20-25 runs. We should definitely look for someone else for the ODI

Nope. I would rather stick with Litton than play musical chairs with anamul, soumya.

Gowza
August 6, 2018, 02:42 AM
Yeah I didn’t get to see any of the match or liton’s innings but a 190 strike rate scoring 60 runs give or take, well that’s a more than decent innings on numbers.

adamnsu
August 6, 2018, 03:25 AM
Liton did play a good innings but he is still 1 dimensional. Most of his shots came on 1 side and if you have seen him long enough you will know which I am talking about. He did do some good fielding apart from a nonsensical overthrow of 5 runs.

Out of the rotten maal out there for batsman, Liton seems to be more useful than Anamul and Sarkar. I hope batting consultant works on this.

adamnsu
August 6, 2018, 03:29 AM
Can Steve Rhodes turn Soumya's form around? That would be such a massive boost before WC.

Litton, Soumya and Anamul have the same issues which are poor footwork and bad shot selection. From what I have seen from out players it is very difficult to correct footwork of players so dont think any coach can help these three in that aspect. I hope Anamaul is done and dusted as he seems not fit for international cricket. I think Soumya needs to be replaced by another younger player.

WarWolf
August 6, 2018, 04:37 AM
Litton, Soumya and Anamul have the same issues which are poor footwork and bad shot selection. From what I have seen from out players it is very difficult to correct footwork of players so dont think any coach can help these three in that aspect. I hope Anamaul is done and dusted as he seems not fit for international cricket. I think Soumya needs to be replaced by another younger player.
Litton has a decent footwork. He may have a bit bias towards leg side. But it never a problem for him as picking runs is easy for him.

He has all shots in the book. He needs to work on the mental aspects of the game.

adamnsu
August 6, 2018, 04:47 AM
Litton has a decent footwork. He may have a bit bias towards leg side. But it never a problem for him as picking runs is easy for him.

He has all shots in the book. He needs to work on the mental aspects of the game.

Yes he does have footwork, when the ball is on the offside he tends to move away from the pitch of the ball :D

But he is so 1 dimensional, just trying to hit everything on the leg side. Like all of the younger players he has mental issues I agree as shot selection sometimes tends to be poor.

Jadukor
August 6, 2018, 05:54 AM
Steve Rhodes need to do his job and work with Liton, Soumya, Ariful and Shabbir. If we can get at least two of these guys to play even 30s and 40s consistently it will be a huge boost to our batting and eventual run rate because all of these guys are capable of big hits. He also needs to work with Miraj, who i felt bowled great with the new ball in the odi series.

Gowza
August 6, 2018, 06:54 AM
Is ariful really a big hitter? Hasn’t looked like it to me.

Jadukor
August 6, 2018, 06:56 AM
Is ariful really a big hitter? Hasn’t looked like it to me.
No other reason they woukd bench Shabbir and play ariful at that position. He must have impressed during practice hits

Gowza
August 6, 2018, 07:20 AM
Can’t help but feel zakir, afif and shanto should be getting chances.

PoorFan
August 6, 2018, 07:40 AM
Is ariful really a big hitter? Hasn’t looked like it to me.

He is a big hitter, proved that in last BPLs.

adamnsu
August 6, 2018, 07:42 AM
Is ariful really a big hitter? Hasn’t looked like it to me.

I was saying questioning the same thing. Only thing I saw him doing was rotating strike or missing the ball.

Fazal
August 6, 2018, 07:51 AM
If anyone seen Ariful play in BPL, should have seen his big hitting capability with some decent run rate. Now that may or may not translate into playing against national teams.

We have to wait and see before making any judgement on him right now. The sample size is too small right now.

Fazal
August 6, 2018, 08:05 AM
Techinal deficiency?

Anamul have the most, even lamen fan can see it. But he has good hand eye coordination.

SS has some technical deficiency but it can be addressed. His issues are also mental.

Litton has no technical issues that cannot be addressed or fixed. His main problem is mental and he needed some good innings like last one. His too much preference at leg side shots was a big isdue when he first came few years back, now he improved a lot. That just tells that it can be completely fixed.

Sabbir is technically good, his issue is mental and he is off form. He just need a break and sort out his mental issues outside the national team.

Arif, I don't see him the future of Bangladesh cricet, but I can see that he can be a servicable but replaceable good utility player who can contribute when the team needs him. But he deserve more time in the national team to show us how capable he is.

zura
August 6, 2018, 12:50 PM
Is ariful really a big hitter? Hasn’t looked like it to me.

Yes. In BPL he was quite a big hitter. He came on yesterday and batted majority of the deliveries after the rain, which changed the pitch's pace and bounce.

zura
August 6, 2018, 12:54 PM
Did you not watch how the wickets were tumbling in the middle period of the game lol. What is he going to do, still go at a 200 sr? Or be a bit circumspect of the situation.

And besides he ended up with a 190 sr like LOL

He can't hit when the power-play is over. He also finds it difficult positioning his shots to desired areas and just smashes on the leg-side which only works during the power-play.

Tigers_eye
August 6, 2018, 04:23 PM
Where is his bio?

Shadow
August 9, 2018, 03:46 AM
"The Test series was tough," Rhodes said. "We took a bit of a beating. But I am very proud of the way the boys came back strongly. Winning the one-dayers was something that we fancied. It was great to have achieved that. The T20s came as a bit of a surprise. We really did play well in the second and the third game. I am delighted that we have two series trophies. It was a great effort. I am very pleased for Liton [Das, who scored a match-winning fifty]. He played magnificently in that final game.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24326116/t20i-win-wi-came-surprise-steve-rhodes

Fazal
August 9, 2018, 01:55 PM
Good to know "nindukera je jai boluk", Litton will be backed by the new coach and he will get enough chance.

Jadukor
August 9, 2018, 11:58 PM
If he can find and develop 3-4 young players he will be remembered as a coach even better than Hathuru

Tigers_eye
August 10, 2018, 08:30 AM
^ We are in a prime position to get some of these young batsmen. The bowling department is the weak link. Tall express is something we don't produce. Tall medium pacers with bad back and no radar are plenty.

adamnsu
August 10, 2018, 08:46 AM
I think coach also really needs to look into the overall fielding. I think it has been quite poor for some years now.

There were alot of singles given in the inner circle for my liking. The fielders dont swoop onto the ball quickly.

Eshen
August 10, 2018, 08:22 PM
If he can find and develop 3-4 young players he will be remembered as a coach even better than HathuruBesides that, if he can help struggling cricketers like Soumya, Sabbir, Momin, and Mosaddek to find their feet again in international cricket, that will be huge for us.

Current core of seniors will start to go away in 2-3 years. We need next core ready to take over before that.

Jadukor
August 10, 2018, 10:48 PM
Besides that, if he can help struggling cricketers like Soumya, Sabbir, Momin, and Mosaddek to find their feet again in international cricket, that will be huge for us.

Current core of seniors will start to go away in 2-3 years. We need next core ready to take over before that.
The Ireland tour was a good initiative. We need more and more of such tours to help both the struggling and the new players. Mash will play the 20 odd odis we have till the WC and then he will most likely retire. I am glad Ryad has turned into such a great ODI batsman now and he will have to take the leadership role.

ahnaf
August 11, 2018, 11:22 AM
Already liking the guy :up:

"I like to play straight," Bangladesh new head coach Steve Rhodes put forward the no-nonsense approach that he wants to bring to the national side.

Rhodes in his short term with the Bangladesh national side has already shown glimpses of going beyond the usual, an approach that his predecessors hadn't really followed. In his off time with the national team - a period in which other coaches had preferred to take rest - he is set to go and follow the 'A' team

In order to gain first-hand knowledge of the cricketers in the 'A' team, Rhodes is headed to Ireland. In order to sketch a roadmap for the future, he has had several meetings in the last two days with the BCB.

The Bangladesh head coach spoke exclusively with Cricbuzz regarding his experience in his first assignment with a national team.

How has been your experience with the Bangladesh team so far?


It has been good. We had some ups and down but overall it was a fine performance by the boys (in the Caribbean), especially the way they responded in the ODIs and the T20Is after the failure in Test matches. To be honest, we need to have great character to make such a turnaround.

Do you believe everything changed after the arrival of Mashrafe bin Mortaza?


When you look at Bangladesh, Mashrafe is a fine captain. He leads by example. He is a warrior-like captain and all the guys follow him.

What about Shakib Al Hasan?


We have got Shakib as the captain in T20s and Test matches, and tactically he is a fantastic captain. All the guys respect him, the way he plays his cricket. But his cricketing brain, and particularly in T20s, is amazing. That is because he has played so much T20 cricket around the world, with so many franchises. He knows all the players and he knows the game (T20s). We are very lucky to have two very good captains.

What's your motive to go to Ireland?


It was nice that I had the opportunity to see the members of the Test team, ODI team and the T20 team. So I have now managed to look at around 20 to 22 players. When I go to Ireland, although I will see some of our players that I have looked at previously, for me it is important to know the next crop of players. Already I have seen a couple of them and hopefully, will get the chance to observe a few more in Ireland. I hope to spend some time with the 'A' team coach Simon Helmut, because if we want to have plenty of depth in Bangladesh cricket, the 'A' team needs to do well and they have done very well so far. I am very pleased and looking forward to catching up with them and see them play.

Mominul Haque scored a blazing knock in the 50-over format (182) for Bangladesh 'A' against Ireland 'A'. Is he in the scheme of things for limited overs cricket?


Mominul scored a fantastic 182 and I think that's good news for him personally and for Bangladesh because he is a quality cricketer and he has shown that he can play one-day games and that is a good sign for the future.

Will Liton Das be looked at as an option to open with Tamim Iqbal in ODIs?


He was playing well throughout the (Windies) tour but he didn't quite go on in lots of games after getting some starts. To watch him play in that final game (T20I) was amazing because when it really mattered, he played a very powerful game with good control and finesse. He showed that he is definitely a player who enjoys the big stage of a big game. To go into that match and get that man of the match award was a special thing for him and Bangladesh. So hopefully, it is a good sign for the future.

Full interview here

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/103572/shakib-al-hasan-is-tactically-a-fantastic-captain-steve-rhodes-bangladesh-cricket

Eshen
August 11, 2018, 02:50 PM
Glad to see he is not slacking out like Hathu and giving the players their due credit.

Fazal
August 13, 2018, 08:50 AM
Serious discussion going on with Sakib in-front of "no Parking" zone...

https://media.dhakatribune.com/uploads/2018/08/rhodes-1534009737505.jpg

One World
August 13, 2018, 09:00 AM
^ Where is Simon with his out of the world captions? :lol:

adamnsu
August 13, 2018, 09:01 AM
Serious discussion going on with Sakib in-front of "no Parking" zone...

https://media.dhakatribune.com/uploads/2018/08/rhodes-1534009737505.jpg

Rhodes: So we are going to practise till the day before Eid
Shakib: Do you know what happened to our last coach that forced me to come to practise

One World
August 13, 2018, 09:29 AM
'No, you cannot park here'
'Chill, the movement is over'

Tigers_eye
August 13, 2018, 09:56 AM
Coach: Shakib, amader next game'er jonno ek ta plan ache.

Boss: Apney key? Ekhaney ki chai? ID dekhi?

adamnsu
August 13, 2018, 10:02 AM
Coach: tui practise kintu protek din aaibi
Shakib: Tui amaray chinos?? Naki bhoray dimu?

zura
August 13, 2018, 03:18 PM
Shakib: What do you mean that there are other batsmen besides Sarkar!

Rinathq
August 13, 2018, 10:49 PM
Steve: hey wanna join me on a tour to Ireland to pick some new guys?

Shakib: i only do extra **** for Sunrisers Hyderabad