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billah
May 31, 2004, 06:21 PM
What do you think, guys?

reverse_swing
May 31, 2004, 06:23 PM
I think they will go for same team. Faisal will get another chance bcs of Jamaican wk.

Nasif
May 31, 2004, 06:28 PM
I will drop faisal and put rana in. I don't know why he was dropped in the first place.

bd_cricket
May 31, 2004, 06:31 PM
What about dropping Hannan for Rana. He is out of touch for quite a some time.

billah
May 31, 2004, 06:34 PM
Hannan sure has been out of form. I thought he was gonna turn out to be a good Test batsman.

After Mushfiq's success with the ball, and with our need for the medium pace, I don't think we can drop him. Just don't know what happened with his batting.

reverse_swing
May 31, 2004, 06:40 PM
I think Wahtmore/Faruk will give Faisal another chance. I don't think Rana will make any impact on that fast bouncy pitch as a bowler. If they select Rana then it will be bcs of his batting not bowling.

Zephaniah
May 31, 2004, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by reverse_swing
I think Wahtmore/Faruk will give Faisal another chance. I don't think Rana will make any impact on that fast bouncy pitch as a bowler. If they select Rana then it will be bcs of his batting not bowling.

I agree and does make sense. Considering Sabina Park pitch I'd rather drop Javed actually. I've no doubt about his ability but i reckon he's lacking match practice. It's not easy at all to come back from a year long injury and play good straight away. Or is it match-fitness too? He did drop a dolly even though generally he has safe pair of hands. Yes! i don't know why Rajin, Ash or Hannan dropped those sitters.

Upal
May 31, 2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
What about dropping Hannan for Rana. He is out of touch for quite a some time.

I don't know about dropping Hannan. He is one of our best batsman on bouncy tracks.

Mahmood
May 31, 2004, 08:23 PM
They might replace Tarek with Rana.

Zobair
May 31, 2004, 08:32 PM
yeah they may replace tareq...though the poor guy was desperately unlucky...catches being dropped off his bowling...and the ball touching the stumps but the bails not coming off! :(

billah
May 31, 2004, 08:39 PM
Tarek actually demonstrated the necessary agression in this match, and was unlucky. The spinners, both Rafiq and Sarwan, got respect. So, Rana may also see success. I think I would like to see Rana in the next one very much.

fab
May 31, 2004, 09:13 PM
I think drop Faisal or Hannan. Mushfiq has been playing well. I'm guessing Hannan will be dropped though..

sage
May 31, 2004, 09:41 PM
Hannan is worthless. This is the first one for Faisal. Mushfiq is doing good in spin. Tareq might do better in next fast pitch. This my 2Cent worth!

Zobair
May 31, 2004, 09:59 PM
The irony is...rana should have played in this match (in which case our chances of winning would have increased by a further 40%) and Tareq should have played the next one :rolleyes:

tnb
May 31, 2004, 10:10 PM
If Hannan is dropped who will open? I guess Tarek Aziz :)
As pompous insinuated, Rana wont be that effective in the next match. Most likely, the same team will play.

sage
May 31, 2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by tnb
If Hannan is dropped who will open? I guess Tarek Aziz :)


Can Tareq do any worse then Hannan? Hannan thinks he is safe in the team just because there is nobody else to open. He is taking advantage of this mess.

Rubu
May 31, 2004, 10:42 PM
why not try rana for opening instead of JO or hannan? either way, its good.

BD Tigers
May 31, 2004, 11:23 PM
Unfortunately for Rana, it will be the same team playing the 2nd test. Brian lara will make sure that the next test pitch is an absolute fastest pitch WI can produce. So for BD, it will be Tapash, Tareq (he bowled fine as his 1st test) and Mushfiq. Hannan and GO will open again cause we dont have any other specialist opener. And it doesnt matter how many people says that Rana will do better than Hannan or GO, cause he's not a specialist opener. Sorry Rana. And last but not the least, Foisal will get another chance or Alok might come in his place.

My 2cents.

mafizraju
June 1, 2004, 12:45 AM
I would say have the same team. Faisal needs more chance. We have to remember he is a very positive member of the team. He has been playing cricket for years now in domestic tournaments and I guess he will prove the reason he is in the team for. For Hannan, I think he needs to work out with his habit of suddenly not offering any shot or making a wild swing out of no where. Tareq does not have a replacement at least not for Sabina Park Pitch. And taking rana instead of faisal it would be hard to decide.

oracle
June 1, 2004, 01:11 AM
I see Alok again, a favourite of a lot of the thinkers, coming in from the back door. Not sure who will be sheparded to the fire exit door.
Still can't get over the fact that Rana had to be dropped for St. lucia.:(

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by oracle : spelling]

shaheen
June 1, 2004, 03:41 AM
Let Hannan take a break for the second test as he is not in form right now as batsman as well as fielder. And let Rana replace him. Either Faisal or Rana can open with Javed. Even Javed also not in form right now but still he is playing more balls then Hannan which is very important as an opener in the test. On the otherhand Rana's bowling may be crucial in the final day if BD bowl at that time. Please do not drop Tarique as he is showing some short of aggression in bowling even though he did not get any wicket (simply because of the poor fielding performances).

mahbubH
June 1, 2004, 03:52 AM
Misjudgement caused both the Hannan out. Usually he is avery good in leaving balls outside the off stamp but the way the batted in last two innings clearly shows his out of form. Give him a rest..... take one from Rana/Pilot/Ash. to open with Javed Omar in the last test.

Ahmed_B
June 1, 2004, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by pompous
The irony is...rana should have played in this match (in which case our chances of winning would have increased by a further 40%)

I wouldnt dare giving rana such high grades!!
even rafiq's spells are not able to impress the opposition!.. though he is keeping a decent Econ rate..but not getting too much wickets.

ZaKi
June 1, 2004, 06:04 AM
i will drop Faisal & will take Rana.

rafiq
June 1, 2004, 07:55 AM
still a day too early to debate this one. One thing is for sure: Rana should have played this test match, I don't care who they would have had to drop to make room for him. Between that decision and the dropped catches on Day 3, we lost our advantage (I am fully aware of the second innings collapse now in progress)

al Furqaan
June 1, 2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
What about dropping Hannan for Rana. He is out of touch for quite a some time.

thats actually the best idea, billah...brillaint. rana should play regardless of who else in on the team, mushfique's test batting is not very good, and this test he was horrible. but his 4-65 more than speaks for itself

arafath79
June 1, 2004, 02:07 PM
If it is bouncy wicket in the second test then the same team should play otherwise Rana could come instead of Tareq to create more pressure on West Indian batsmen by spin.
:flag:

wasif
June 1, 2004, 05:25 PM
Brother Billah I agree with your point Hannan should replace by Rana and Faisal should go for another Try but Musfiq should stay as he is an ecocomic baller and wicket taker

Navarene
June 1, 2004, 05:36 PM
My pick for the 2nd test:

Hannan Sarkar/Javed Omar/Habibul Bashar/Rajin Saleh/Mohammed Ashraful/Mushfiqur Rahman/Khaled Mashud/Manjurul Islam Rana/Mohammed Rafique/Tapash Baisya/Tareq Aziz

AsifTheManRahman
June 1, 2004, 06:18 PM
I say go with the same team...frequent changes simply disrupt the players' ability to do well.

sujon
June 1, 2004, 06:29 PM
I wish Alok was in form. but not to be.

I think we should play the same team. Faisal was the debutant, so dont want to be too critical. He was impressive in the ODI and he should get more chances.

As for Hannan, I dont know. We dont have any other player to assume the responsibility to open.

So my pick will be the same team for the Famoues Sabina Park!

babon
June 1, 2004, 09:41 PM
I will also go for the same team although rana deserves a place in this bd team and I am not too confident about tareq aziz.
Go bd go....
babon

Beamer
June 1, 2004, 10:08 PM
I think they will keep the same team and its not a bad idea. Considering the pitch at sabina park, you have to play to regular openers, regardless of form or no form. I think Hannan will do ok. He is having a little bit of psychological problem at the moment. Dropping him for a makeshift opener is not the correct approach going into a match in Jamaica. As much as I like Rana, he will have to wait and he will have plenty of chances later. dropping faisal suddenly after one test is not the way to go. Mushfy will stay and score and his bowling will be needed. They could have played rana in the last test match as the pitch favored the spinners. But, everybody was duped by the pitch, including the west inidans and to compensate for that mistake to bring Rana back in a pacers paradise will be two mistakes and won't be the wise thing to do. Keep the same team....

reverse_swing
June 1, 2004, 10:11 PM
They will keep the same team.

Rubu
June 1, 2004, 10:37 PM
if we had rana, we'd have win this test. why not open with rana instead of hannan/javed. javed at least did something in one innings, hannan is totally completely absolutely flop. i'm sure rana can add more than 9 runs in two innings. also, he can sure pull up some wicket with the old ball. when rafique needs some rest and ball is old, we can still have good spinner.

give rana a chance, he'll score at least a fifty, even on opening. i'm sure.

crickwizard
June 1, 2004, 11:48 PM
and dont forget hannan also dropped couple of easy catches.

Where is Shariyar Biddut?

Nasif
June 1, 2004, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by crickwizard
Where is Shariyar Biddut?

Bidyut went back to BD. He was injured after the ODI.

abhs
June 2, 2004, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
if we had rana, we'd have win this test. why not open with rana instead of hannan/javed. javed at least did something in one innings, hannan is totally completely absolutely flop. i'm sure rana can add more than 9 runs in two innings. also, he can sure pull up some wicket with the old ball. when rafique needs some rest and ball is old, we can still have good spinner.

give rana a chance, he'll score at least a fifty, even on opening. i'm sure.

I agree with you.
Rana should be in the 2nd test and that could be by the replacement of Hannan.

Saurav
June 2, 2004, 02:23 AM
DROP Hannan

He's got too many opportunities

rafiq
June 2, 2004, 02:30 AM
we'll need 3 pacers for the next match for sure, and unfortunately there aren't any part-time medium pacer batsmen like there are part time spinners. If WI breings back Banks to compensate for not having an extra spinner in St Lucia, will BD think tank do the same thing?

vv_sunil
June 2, 2004, 03:25 AM
missed rana in the first test... if he would have there, chances were more than 60% of winning the match. see, how Sarwan and Gayle performed in their bowling... they are only the part time bowlers, not even the regulars... meantime, how rana was performed in one dayers... it was the 'historical mistake' to left him out of the team in the first test...

he should be included in the 2nd test,,,, let hanan to take a rest and rana to open the innings

sashimi
June 2, 2004, 03:39 AM
Drop Faisal tak Kapali, Take either Mushfiq or Rana depending on the pitch

mzia
June 2, 2004, 04:31 AM
“No need to change of winning combination”.

Ahmed_B
June 2, 2004, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
if we had rana, we'd have win this test.

MAN!!... i wouldn't really dare to say something for a 19 year old little experienced Guy!... that he alone can make us win a test a test!! :duh:

mahbubH
June 2, 2004, 07:27 AM
Faisal should not be dropped from the 2nd test. He should get few more chances who knows he could be a usefull middle order for us.

Cricket46
June 2, 2004, 08:53 AM
I would like to see Rana in and Faisal out for this test match. I know that is not being fair on Faisal as this is only his first test match. But I hope that they do not mess up the opening pair as Hannan had played well in Australia. And please no Alok now, he is badly out of touch. Let us also not drop Tareq, as Sabina Park, is a fast bowler’s ground. Sure, Tareq is not the greatest pace bowler, but let us also not forget how he supported two batsmen in their hunt for centuries in the two innings. That is no mean achievement for a number 11. Bangladesh is developing into a team that has very stubborn tailenders. That can be very frustrating to the bowling side. One of the commentators was saying yesterday that Bangladesh did not even have a tail.

My second option is of course to play the same team.

More importantly, whoever plays, let us bring up our catching skills one notch up. Who does not know the age old saying “catches win matches”?

pagol-chagol
June 2, 2004, 09:20 AM
We needed a 5th bowler in this test. I thought we could have used Rana. How is rana in bouncy pitch. Isn't he all front foot player without much technique? Can he survive in there?

Hannan is much better than most in bouncy wickets. So we can't rest him.

Faisal should not be out based on one test. But he could be rested for 1 test. Isn't he a fast medium bowler?

Mushfiq's 4 wickets are over rated. Except for Lara he got 3 bowlers who are horrible batsman.

Golla sucks in bouncy pitch. Should he sit?

Is Ashraful going to bowl in the next game?

Ahmed_B
June 2, 2004, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Cricket46
Bangladesh is developing into a team that has very stubborn tailenders

PERFECT words!!
we may sometimes just take as a 'relief' from the collaps of top/mid order.. but actually its very very big pain always for the opposition!!.. in other words.. big strength for BD
Rafiq/Tapash/Tareq... all hav proven to be a part of the 'solid' end of the batting order!!

billah
June 2, 2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by mzia
?No need to change of winning combination?.

We did not win bro.

Orpheus
June 2, 2004, 04:25 PM

SS
June 2, 2004, 05:05 PM
if Rana clicks he can add valuable runs...and also can bowl to take little pressure off from Rafique..so Rana should be in...Faisal for now should be rested or may be Hannan or Javed nnow as we draw ...I guess Hannan got the desease of OPI and Javed is playing to keep his name " golla"...sometimes he plays copy book defensive shot sometimes he "shuffles" and gets out!!!
but i know itz cricket and all wana be hiro..
Musfiq's bat was horrible he had to cut a way outside off stump ball to get out and in both innings he flopped...is he getting the same deseases like all batsmen do...i remember we praised him for most consistent and i guess thatz why he is super flop with bat...from now you guys should not praise these batsmen that will make them do good!!!
why not try this idea..who knows may be it will work

Tokai
June 2, 2004, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
Originally posted by AgentSmith
if we had rana, we'd have win this test.

MAN!!... i wouldn't really dare to say something for a 19 year old little experienced Guy!... that he alone can make us win a test a test!! :duh:

does 19 years old really matter? i think he had shown enough in his short stay.

no not alone. but that was the key that was missing. look at rafique's emonomy. cris gayle's first innings was the only thing that prevented WI from a defeat. when rafique kept it under control from one side, gayle smashed tapash/tareq/mushfiq to keep the runs going. if we could use rana-rafique combination at that time, WI innings would be finished within 250. then add another 50 odd runs (he always get that) from rana. if that would happen, pilot-rajin could play in much faster pace (or may be not needed to play) and we could offer WI a huge total with at least 2 session of final day remaining. then again, on the 5th day pitch, rana-rafique could get the job done.

no one can say that we'd win for sure, but chances would go at least 25% higher.

wasif
June 2, 2004, 05:35 PM
I want to drop Hannan and include Rana.Pilot should play in Hannan's position and rest of the team should be same as this will be last try for faisal to prove :-/

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by wasif]

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by wasif]

reyme
June 2, 2004, 06:13 PM
Ideally missing pieces of the puzzle is 2 solid openers and one specialized seamer (Like Masree). Since we dont have them, replacing Hannan with Rana will give us the best possible choice. Hannan was a total failure, even Enamul Jr. or Kapali could have added more value. Because of his dropped catches we were almost losing.

mahbub
June 3, 2004, 03:22 PM
1.HANNAN SARKAR
2.JABID OMOR
3.HABIBUL BASHAR
4.RAJIN SALA
5.MOHAMOD ASHRAFUL
6.KHALAD MASUD
7.MOHAMOD RAPIQ
8.BABU
9.MANJARUL ISLAM
10.TAPOS
11.TARAQ

feisal
June 3, 2004, 06:54 PM
just saw that rana is in.. in place of Faisal (..prothom-alo...). personally i was against a change. intersting to note that they are treating his bowling as a bonus..batting as a core.. i think it is a big challenge for him.. and also for the huge group of his supporters i the forum..

on a side note: tony cozier thinks..it was a "shame" that Gyle won the MOM...

billah
June 3, 2004, 07:17 PM
So, the verdict is in, a democratic decision, I suppose. Thanks Feisal for the useful info.:)

Zephaniah
June 3, 2004, 07:28 PM
Right. Rana is in. In near future I'd love to see Faisal again. You can't just discard a player with potential without giving him a good run.

Rubu
June 3, 2004, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by mahbub
1.HANNAN SARKAR
2.JABID OMOR
3.HABIBUL BASHAR
4.RAJIN SALA
5.MOHAMOD ASHRAFUL
6.KHALAD MASUD
7.MOHAMOD RAPIQ
8.BABU
9.MANJARUL ISLAM
10.TAPOS
11.TARAQ

so nice to see rana in.

few questions though, considering this list is according to batting line up. why raPiq is up? treating him more as a batsman will not be a good idea since that might effect his bowling because when his bowling started to shine, his batting went down.
shouldn't we move mushfiq down a bit and move rana up? mushfiq's bowling talking for the reason of his inclusion, but his batting had been horrible. with so many ducks, bird lovers are already on his neck.

i prefer this lineup:
1. hannan
2. javed
3. bashar
4. rajin
5. ashraful
6. rana
7. pilot
8. rafique
9. mushfiq
10. taposh
11. tareq

Beamer
June 3, 2004, 11:35 PM
feisal
I read that Cozier comment as well. I think, one ex-offspinner, can't remember the name, was the man behind the decision to award Gayle the MOM. Total idiot. anyway..hope we are not overconfident of our circumspect lower order batsmen to repeat the feat all the time. If they can, great for us. We can always play an extra bowler/allrounder. I hope , we don't get a false sense of security and go with five specialist batsmen all the time. If they think that rana has the ability to walk in as a specialist bat, which they do offcourse, then its a different proposition altogether. If he can produce runs consistently at no6 or no7, then he has a great future, both with bat and ball.

billah
June 4, 2004, 03:33 AM
Guys, where can I find the Cozier article? Link please.