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oracle
July 29, 2004, 02:27 PM
Let's face it that we are not going to win in ICC next month, so the best thing we should do is:

-Rearrange team now before the important test matches.

-Get Bashar in order and back to no. 3

-Get Ash in consistency mode, drop pressure by putting him in his old spot, i.e no 5

-Drop Kapali, Mushfiq, Faisal and Sujon

-Bring 2 U-19 guys, hopefully Enamul and Nafis if they live up to promise

I hope we are not fielding the same team for the ICC matches because South Africa and certainly Pakistan are not going to give a easy ride.

We need to analyse who needs a long break, who is getting into the groove and who needs a really long break. Seems like at times the whole bunch needs that but that looks too deceiving.

Also a few of the U-19 could cope with a National exposure even though the risk of contamination is high.

Least of all , at least sort out the batting line up!
here is a prelim. list to concentrate on:

Javed
Nafis
Bashar
Rajin
Ash
Pilot
Rana
Razzak
Rafique or better still Masrafeee if he is fit
Tapash
Enamul or Nadif

[Edited on 29-7-2004 by oracle]

Bangla Mostan
July 29, 2004, 02:37 PM
Javed
Ash
Nafis
Rajin
Bashar
Pilot
Rana
Razzak
Rafique
Tapash
Nadif

That should be our line up..the three underlined can play the support role for our strikers. They tend to preserve their wickets, take less risk and that is necessary for both ODI and Test formats.

Howver I still feel we should give Faisal a chance to adjust to the new platform, I also think Alok has said goodbye to his cricket for sometime now, so we can focus on someone who can fill that role consistantly without any major hiccups.

Let s see how this line up fairs in the future.

Flip Master Mick
July 29, 2004, 03:50 PM
oracle... i gotta give it to you man... after such a heart breaking day you get right back into it... sign of a true warrior... we should nominate you for a post at the BCB... :bravo:

Zobair
July 29, 2004, 04:00 PM
The ODI team I wish to see for the Champion's trophy is this order:


Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal/ Nafees Ahmed
Md. Ashraful
Rajin Saleh
Habibul Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Manjarul Islam Rana
Khaled Masud
Abdur Razzak
Taposh/ Shahadat
Mashrafee/ Nazmul

i.e. since the official squad is supposed to be 14 members strong we can take an extra opener and a couple of extra seamers.

mahbubH
July 29, 2004, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by pompous
The ODI team I wish to see for the Champion's trophy is this order:


Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal/ Nafees Ahmed
Md. Ashraful
Rajin Saleh
Habibul Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Manjarul Islam Rana
Khaled Masud
Abdur Razzak
Taposh/ Shahadat
Mashrafee/ Nazmul

i.e. since the official squad is supposed to be 14 members strong we can take an extra opener and a couple of extra seamers.

Who will be the 5th bowler of this team?

Flip Master Mick
July 29, 2004, 04:19 PM
I feel Nafees Ahmed, Shahadat Hussain, and Nazm-ul-Hussain haven't been tested to be considered for the senior team... i would instead go with Shahriar Hussain, Tareq Aziz, and Mohammad Sharif... otherwise the team you picked pompous seems great...

acbizz
July 29, 2004, 07:41 PM
Bring Bulbul back...... :)

rassel
July 29, 2004, 08:17 PM
No matter where you put Bashar; he is destine to fail in ODI. He simply doesnít have the mentality to play in the shorter version of the game. From what I am seeing, he basically failing in every single matches, occasionally one or two good knock here and there, which doesnít justify his role as a captain in this team.

So, here is my point, either drop him from ODI or release him from his captaincy job, but he can continue to be the test captain where he can show his worth. I would rather put JOB in his place cuz he had shown the quality of a true captain. The way he was anchoring the team in a disarray situation in the first two ODI was amazing where rest of the jackasses were surrendering thier wickets one after another. Moreover, JOB has all the characteristic of a genuine captain. I mean he has everything patience, steady batting technique, and most importantly he knows how to handle the pressure like a real fighter where bashar act remind me of our official pest nishy repeating same thing over and over again.


Anyway, here is my 12 man squad for ICC trophy if anybody cares.

1. Javed
2. Nafis
3. Aftab
4. Rajin
5. Ash
6. Pilot
7. Rana
8. Razzak
9.Rafique
10.Tapash
11. Nadif
12. Either tala or nazmul



I donít think Masrafeee will be ready by then. He definitely needs more practice before he can even think about joining the national team.



:umm:

[Edited on 30-7-2004 by rassel]

sageX
July 29, 2004, 09:11 PM
On Pakistan's potential
The whole pace attack has such potential if we can just get that little bit more out of them. I want to get eight fast bowlers up and running so that we can swap them around in one-day cricket like the Australians do. These are still early days for me because I have got to find out who those eight are, but there are millions of fast bowlers in Pakistan. It is an amazing situation as every kid wants to bowl quick.

Cricinfo

vv_sunil
July 29, 2004, 11:47 PM
i would like to think some other way:

1) Automatic choices:

a) Javed Omar
b) Moh Ashraful
c) Khaled Mashud
d) Razzaq
e) Rana

2) Chance given for proving themself, but performance under reveiw:

a) Habibul Bashar
b) Rajin Saleh
c) Taposh
d) Rafique

3) Players to be dropped

a) Alok Kapali
b) Chacha
c) Foisal
d) Tareq Aziz
e) Mush Rahman

So there will be 5 players to be selected:

I prefer to choose two bastmen, two fast bowlers and one spinner:

so, they are

1) Nafees Iqbal
2) Shahum Rahman (u-19, who scored 64 runs 74 balls against ongoing U-19 test, particulalry in such a situation when the wickets falling)

3) Mashrafee
4) Shahdat
5) Nadeef Choudhary/Enamul Jr

(Prefer Enamul, looking to his experience)

BURNING POINT:

Would prefer Khaled Mashud to lead the team again as he is showing the responsibility and also it will ease the pressure of bashar

vv_sunil
July 30, 2004, 12:02 AM
Moreover, please stop the experiments more, now time to act stern. Nobody should have the confidence that his place secure in the team.

Looking to the ‘shelter’ given to Kapali and to Chacha (upto certain limit), I doubt the players have the feeling in their mind that they will remain with the team, irrespective of their performance. May be, that kind of feeling automatically generated and also caused the casual and relaxed approach from the players as they don’t seems any immediate threat to their place. It should be controlled and players should feel they are going to be scrapped, if they do not perform well

Ahmed_B
July 30, 2004, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by oracle
-Bring 2 U-19 guys, hopefully Enamul and Nafis if they live up to promise
.........................
Also a few of the U-19 could cope with a National exposure even though the risk of contamination is high.


I think I will differ a lil bit in bringing up the junior players instantly after any bad performance of the National team!
In my opinion... it will only do damage to the Junior players if BCB brings them into the senior team right now!

I mean.. look at our current team now!... almost 60-70% of the players r still young and inexperienced.. and even though having bright performances in the domestic/junior level they r super flop in international levels!!

the idea of bringing younger players in right now is based on the judgement that the current plyers r not tallented enough... which I dont agree with at all!

obviously the current national team players r more tallented and experienced and got higher performances than the other junior teams.. thats why they hav been brought here to play!!

but its probably the high level of demand from them or for some other strong reason that they r failing!! and I strongly think.. the same will happen if we bring players from the junior/U-19 team..!!

I will give all my supports to the following method"
Don't make major reshuffles in the team.. rather take steps to improve with almost the same set we got... and only bring new players through a controlled system to protect their career and not get harmed by the extra pressure of Int. level!!

(and ofcourse i will not consider U-19 international level to be same as National team levels!!)

mahbubH
July 30, 2004, 02:54 AM
The BD ODI team need some fresh blood specially batsmen. Coaches know better who of the Junior team should get the chance.

Chacha and Mushfiq should not be in the playing-11 together. Best thing could happen to BD cricket in long time if Chacha will retire from ODI soon!!

Fasial's is not good enough for English condition (e.g. footwork).

Something different should try with Basher e.g. batting down the order, get injured on the morning of match day. He will not get runs in Champions trophy (same reason footwork), he is vulnerable to swing).

Alok .. I do not know ... he will be in the team whether he got runs or not!!

I will be surprise if any of the matches (SA and WI) BD score more than 200! Hope our bowler will win match for us.

[Edited on 30-7-2004 by sports_fan_bd]

Zobair
July 30, 2004, 04:03 AM
Of the current U19 team touring England Nafis Iqbal, Aftab Ahmed and Enamul Haq junior are ready to make it to the senior level as they have had considerable experience and are hardly U19 anymore. Besides, having played so many matches in England by the time Champion's trophy starts, they will be ideally placed to make their mark in the senior team. Having a couple of them in the national side should serve as a challenge to their seniors. Faisal with his non-existant footwork, as already mentioned, is not ideal for English conditions.

Anyways here is my team again and my reasons:

Openers:
1)Javed Omar
2)Nafis Iqbal

Extra specialist Opener: Nafees Ahmed

Javed will provide the experience, and Nafis the spark. Nafees Ahmed seems to be in good form too. Being a left-hander he can add to our advantage of having a left-right combo. So if one of the two first-choice fails he can be tried. I wanted to consider Shahriar Hossain Bidyut but his lack of match fitness makes it difficult.

Three specialist openers on English pitches where the ball will seam around is a must in my opinion. The biggest flaw that was exposed in this Asia cup for us was our inability to get a solid start. It is imperative that we get this area of the game just right if we want to make progress.


3) Mohammad Ashraful

He is the best batsman of the team. His range of strokes and his technique make him an ideal number three. He should be allowed a long run in this position and I am convinced he can make it his own. He seems well-equipped technically for English conditions.


4) Rajin Saleh

His solid defence and his ability to take singles and rotate the strike make him an ideal number 4 for me. He is a grafter and should look to play the anchor role in the line-up i.e. he should look to bat through the innings.


5) Habibul Bashar

Bashar is an attacking player and whenever he is at the crease runs are not a problem. However, his technique will not suit batting at 3 in the english conditions considering the appreciable swing that the seamers will get early on. I believe we can get the maximum out of him at number 5 where he will have to deal with tired bowlers and an older ball.


6) Aftab Ahmed

He has good technique and is a very aggressive batsman. We need a few clean hitters in our ODI set-up and he sure can hit the ball. He will play the role of the accelerator down the order.


7)Khaled Masud

well! I don't think I have to elaborate about him :)


8) Mushfiqur Rahman

He is a pretty decent swing bowler, and the English conditions should suit his style. He should concentrate on his bowling IMO.


9)Abdur Razzak

This guy has made a place for himself in the team and barring any major mishaps should be an automatic selection. He opened the bowling in just the third match of his career! He can hit the ball too, so that is an added bonus.


10) Tapash Baisya

He is a very decent bowler of the new ball. His is an automatic selection IMO

11) U19 bowler/ Tareq Aziz


An U19 seam bowler should be given a chance in this position if there is any standout performance. Nadif with his versatile bowling along with his more than useful batting is a prime contender. Otherwise, Tareq Aziz is my first choice. Mashrafee will not be match fit, and we should make him ready in time for the domestic season.


So the team has 7 batsmen, 1 Allrounder (Mushfique, 2 if Nadif is selected), and 3/2 specialist bowlers. Ash and Rajin will share the 5th bowlers duties.


-------------------------------

Whatmore said that it is time to sit down and take a hard look at the current team. I firmly believe the way forward for us is to bring in fresh blood into our ODI set up. It is time to add Nafis Iqbal, Nafees Ahmed, Aftab Ahmed, and Nadif to our core group of players, and start preparing them for regular national duty.

Zephaniah
July 30, 2004, 06:43 AM
Pompous. I agree with most of your points. All below mentioned players would make my team for Champions Trophy. Keeping in mind BD will play against SA and WI in the Champions trophy we should not throw toddlers to the deep end, if they are not ready.

Originally posted by pompous
Of the current U19 team touring England Nafis Iqbal, Aftab Ahmed and Enamul Haq junior are ready to make it to the senior level as they have had considerable experience and are hardly U19 anymore. Besides, having played so many matches in England by the time Champion's trophy starts, they will be ideally placed to make their mark in the senior team. Having a couple of them in the national side should serve as a challenge to their seniors. Faisal with his non-existant footwork, as already mentioned, is not ideal for English conditions.
As far as I'm aware only Nafiz Iqbal (20) doesn't belong to U-19, Aftab (18 or on the line) and Enamul (17) does. It's disappointing but Faisal should be dropped for his technique.

TEAM


Openers:
1)Javed Omar
2)Nafis Iqbal
Extra specialist Opener: Nafees Ahmed

Javed will provide the experience, and Nafis the spark. Nafees Ahmed seems to be in good form too. Being a left-hander he can add to our advantage of having a left-right combo. So if one of the two first-choice fails he can be tried. I wanted to consider Shahriar Hossain Bidyut but his lack of match fitness makes it difficult.
Nafiz Iqbal would probebly get a nod and rightly so. But he also has a tendency to throw away his wicket sometimes. I'll also take Shahrier Hussain instead of Nafees Ahmed, given he is fully fit and up for it. Bidyut played in England before ( 99 WC) and Nefees Ahmed needs to fight it out after playing few more A-team matches.


3) Mohammad Ashraful

[i]He is the best batsman of the team. His range of strokes and his technique make him an ideal number three. He should be allowed a long run in this position and I am convinced he can make it his own. He seems well-equipped technically for English conditions.
Spot on.


4) Rajin Saleh

His solid defence and his ability to take singles and rotate the strike make him an ideal number 4 for me. He is a grafter and should look to play the anchor role in the line-up i.e. he should look to bat through the innings.

5) Habibul Bashar

Bashar is an attacking player and whenever he is at the crease runs are not a problem. However, his technique will not suit batting at 3 in the english conditions considering the appreciable swing that the seamers will get early on. I believe we can get the maximum out of him at number 5 where he will have to deal with tired bowlers and an older ball.

6) Aftab Ahmed

He has good technique and is a very aggressive batsman. We need a few clean hitters in our ODI set-up and he sure can hit the ball. He will play the role of the accelerator down the order.
Any 2 out of this 3 would make it, but not all. 'Cause we'll be a bowler short then. I guess we have to give Rajin a good run of matches to see if he can fulfill his promises. Bashar will play, not as ODI captain. But he will retain his test captaincy. Aftab will be the understudy for both Rajin and Bashar. It seems to me that he can play according to match situation.


6)Khaled Masud

well! I don't think I have to elaborate about him :)


7) Mushfiqur Rahman

He is a pretty decent swing bowler, and the English conditions should suit his style. He should concentrate on his bowling IMO.
Agree. Mushfiq has been disappointing but he is the right bowler for English condition.

8) Md. Rafique/ Nadif Chaudury
Strike bowler or not, we would still need Rafique for his economy. If Nadif turns out to be decent bat then he'll be considered too. Now-a-days he does both left arm swing bowling (medium pace now with potential to be fast medium, according to the coach) and orthodox spin. His 'Collin Miller' style game could make our bowling line-up more interesting.


9)Abdur Razzak

This guy has made a place for himself in the team and barring any major mishaps should be an automatic selection. He opened the bowling in just the third match of his career! He can hit the ball too, so that is an added bonus.


10) Tapash Baisya

He is a very decent bowler of the new ball. His is an automatic selection IMO

Spot on.


11) Tareq Aziz
Tareq can swing the ball, though expensive. He will get a last chance to prove himself before Mashrafe and co. pop into the scene again. Talha will be ready by end of August and play U-19 ODIs in England. If he's the match fitness then he'll be considered for selection too.


So the team has 7 batsmen, 1 Allrounder (Mushfique, 2 if Nadif is selected), and 3/2 specialist bowlers. Ash and Rajin will share the 5th bowlers duties.
BD will be playing against SA and WI. So it would be better , IMHO, if Ash and Rajin do not share the 5th bowlers duties.

My team
1) Javed Omar
2) Nafis Iqbal / Shahriar Hossain
3) Mohammad Ashraful
4) Rajin Saleh / Aftab Ahmed
5) Habibul Bashar / Aftab Ahmed
6) Khaled Masud
7) Mushfiqur Rahman / Nadif Chaudury
8) Md. Rafique/ Nadif Chaudury
9) Abdur Razzak
10) Tapash Baisya
11) Tareq Aziz/ Talha Jubair

This 14 players will get selected and for the final spot of the 15 men squad Chacha and Manjarul Islam Rana will fight it out

[Edited on 30-7-2004 by Zephaniah : Rana added.]

Zephaniah
July 30, 2004, 06:59 AM
A new ODI captain? Khaled Masud perhaps? Any thoughts?

vv_sunil
July 30, 2004, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
A new ODI captain? Khaled Masud perhaps? Any thoughts?

"BURNING POINT:

Would prefer Khaled Mashud to lead the team again as he is showing the responsibility and also it will ease the pressure of bashar"

I ALREADY SUGGESTED IT

blink
July 30, 2004, 07:27 AM
Javed
Nafis
Rajin
Ash
Alok (i am biased - break b4 the series will do him good)
Manjural
Mashud
Mushfiqur
Razzaq
Tapash
Mashrafe (if fit)

All i can say is i think Habibul is destined to fail in any position. We need some quicks for this tour, spin wont be as effective!

PoorFan
July 30, 2004, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
A new ODI captain? Khaled Masud perhaps? Any thoughts?
Not only ODI, but test too.
One captain, both in ODI and test is better for BD I think.
Yes, Khaled Masud should be the captain again, at this crucial situation.
Habibul should remain as a test player, not ODI.

[Edited on 30-7-2004 by PoorFan]

Zephaniah
July 30, 2004, 01:38 PM
Reshuffling the squad is a forced short -term solution. Basically all we need is total RESTRUCTURING of our cricket. BCB needs to do it right now, not a moment later to prevent further embarrassment.

1. Our domestic cricket needs major revamp. Now we've all those lovely purpose build stadiums. They (BCB) need to prepare all sorts of pitches there - fast/bouncy or spinning like hell etc.

2. Our national league needs to be competitive and home-and-away system should be introduced again.

3. Cricket needs to be decentralised with all divisional teams having 'High Performance Squad' and age group teams like U15, U17, U19 etc.

4. We should have a structured selection policy. I hate to see our national team depends on supply from U19 team resource. They should rather be depending on A-team players. Having said that our A-team is virtually non-existent. BCB should arrange A Team tours all year round.

5. Exposure to quality cricket is important to those players who are willing to amend their mistakes. I suggest BCB to arrange 2 tournaments annually as a permanent fixture till our cricket reaches to a certain standard.

Tournament one:
One day tournament involving A-teams from BD, India, Pakistan & SriLanka. It could be named as SAARC cricket etc. India & Srilanka are always keen to give their fringe players more exposure. So it could easily be a sucessful tournament.

Tournament two:
4 day matches between our national league champion, BD A team, West Bengal Ranji team and Assam Ranji team.
Could be named as 'Brahmaputra Challenge Tournament' etc. It would be highly beneficial for our up and coming players.

6. Now we have 3 one day tournaments in our domestic circuit - one with national league, Dhaka league and CCL . But guess what, our national team's ODI performance is quiet shambolic even though they play more shorter version of the game than the longer one. I suggest CCL to become a twenty20 cricket tournament. Believe me my friends it will pay dividents in many ways.

7. Finally our players should play for national pride and play for their living. It's not a walk in the park, my friends. Seen enough toddlers, now be a man! God's shake.

[Edited on 31-7-2004 by Zephaniah]

Ahmed_B
July 30, 2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
A new ODI captain? Khaled Masud perhaps? Any thoughts?

.. what actually was Masud's failure as captain the previous time??
anyone can tell why he was removed from captaincy last time??

after all.. he is the most experienced and consistant man!

betaar
July 30, 2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
Originally posted by Zephaniah
A new ODI captain? Khaled Masud perhaps? Any thoughts?

.. what actually was Masud's failure as captain the previous time??
anyone can tell why he was removed from captaincy last time??

after all.. he is the most experienced and consistant man!

I think during the last world cup he was getting too demanding with the officials and also threatend not to play if his demands weren't met. Also he wasn't insync with the rest of the members. So I'd think he was scrapped on disciplinary ground. I

remeber reading that World Cup commision report which was the best possible transparent and unbiased report I've ever seen coming out of BD. The writer, some retired person, did an awesome job.

Zephaniah
July 31, 2004, 11:14 AM
Any thoughts on our A-team composition? Probebly the likes of Kapali, Faisal & Aziz will be dropped from the national team pretty soon. Considering they have so-called potential they should be playing A team matches rather than only playing crap domestic cricket. Even for most of the major cricket playing nations the difference between domestic cricket and international cricket is mamoth. So there should be a intermediate set-up for smooth transition, hence more A team matches is the only solution.

Ibrahim
July 31, 2004, 12:53 PM
There any many good suggestions and most of them are for the short-term solution. However, if we want to improve our team then we should think about long-term solutions too.

My personal opinion is to develop a strong ďAĒ team by giving equally same importance as main team. At this moment, do we have a real BD A team? Where are they?

Bangla Mostan
July 31, 2004, 01:48 PM
I also think it is a good idea to adopt a new captain only for the ODI. This would allow the pressure to drop from Bashar who is only beginning to feel the strain and this could laead onto a major dip in his performance, even go through an 'ALOK PATCH'

So having someone who can hanle the pressures on the field would be good example. Mashud has the experience of captain Bangladesh albeit being extremely unsuccessful in it. :duh:

So we have to find someone who can treat this captaincy role/ pressure as they would on the field (with ease).:flag:

That could be from the current team, but this player who should be nominated must be hihly experienced in the ODI, not one of our youngsters.

sasharif
July 31, 2004, 06:53 PM
I fully support F Waliullah's comments. Bring back Aminul and Minhazul for test matches and at least Aminul for ODIs. We can't care less about so called 'teen age sensations'. We don't eveen want win, we want respectability and predictability. Look at Kenya. Aminul is not older than Asif Karim (who came out of retirement to play world cup for kenyan glory), steve Tikolo or Odumbe. They kept the old guards as kenya needs some wins to keep their aspirations alive. Don't we need the same?

al Furqaan
July 31, 2004, 07:58 PM
1. sooner or later abedin and aminul will have to retire...they cant play much longer.

2. they've been out of action so long who knows how good they are now

3. we need to stick with the young core that we have now because tho they will struggly ultimately they will shine, just ask ashraful

4. old guys wont get us wins, not against the other 9 test nations, they wont even get us respectability. they will only bring up our team's average age

5. the young guys must stay...they may not be the answer...in fact it may be the nafis iqbals, the enamul jnrs., the aftabs, and dhimans, that bring us ultimate success on the int'l level. or it may be players born after BD got test status. in the last case we will not be a world class team until the 2020's.

let the young guys learn, play, and make mistakes (over and over again) till they get it right.

PoorFan
July 31, 2004, 09:13 PM
I agree with you alfurqaan, with all of your 5 points.
But don't agree with your last comment.
"let the young guys learn, play, and make mistakes (over and over again) till they get it right."

We must need a "A team" from which the players should
be selected for national team, based on his performance.
The players who failed in national team, should be dropped and will play with A team.
We must stick to this system very strictly.
The "national team" is not the place for "practice",
and we can not keep him there until he get his form back, who fails over and over.
Though we don't have a consistence "A team" yet ( a huge problem ),
and there is a very little chance to get back ones form back because
lack of matches with other international.
But that's a different issue, we have to deal with.
There must be a competition among A team players as well as U-19, U-17 to get a place in A team.
Competition will bring the player with "real talent in every department as a player"
to the national team.
And the national team player should always be concern that his place in national team is not committal forever.
We have no other choice but build up this "A team system" as soon as possible by any mean.

sasharif
August 1, 2004, 02:11 AM
Well, sooner or later Bashar, Alok, Faisal will retire (or will be forced to retire like Atahar, Nannu). And they are not in a good form. So should they be dropped? Even Nafis, Enamul jr will retire one day. Does it mean that we will now for a test team comprised of primary school kids because they are the future? We should talk about the present while nurturing for the future. We should form the team with the best possible players we have. Ashraful played magnificently the other day, no body douts his talent. However, it is too early to ask him why he shone. Please let us not make any one a hero if he scores a 50 after 10-15 innings. That is how we ruin their career. Habibul Bashar is our best batesman, however, he is not worthy of 'Habibul Bashar square' named after him, not while he is still playing. Let us note that Nannu and Aminul is not out of action. Nannu was the highest scorer in the recently completed corporate league and Aminul is Playing in the Astralian domestic cricket. I am not saying they are going to do miracle or win any match for us. But they will be able to guide the young talents to responsibility. I am urging again to all of us to look at Kenya again.

AsifTheManRahman
August 1, 2004, 03:14 AM
I say forget about the champions trophy...we don't stand a chance against the WI and SA in those English conditions. Just get something around 150 and lose by 10 wickets - that should be enough. Concentrate on the test series at home - that's where we are likely to get some respect.

mafizraju
August 1, 2004, 03:34 AM
Itís been quite hard for me to watch Bangladesh play and fall short miserably. Passing last three years without seeing Bangladesh play was hard for me. Since there was no TV channel who would broadcast the matches Bangladesh has played in last three years, I depended on cricinfo, and newspapers. So this time as soon as I got chance to see the game I said right on. Once again I would be able to put heart in line like million others will do from Bangladesh and from around the globe. I did. I did it because I wanted to cry out in joy for every good ball that comes out from the wrist of our bowlers or every class shot comes out of the bat. Every time a batsman gets out, I prayed and hoped the next one will do good, will rise up to his pride and show a gutsy performance. They couldnít do it. They failed and crushed short along with my dreams. But still the next day I started to weave my dreams again. Collecting the broken and torn pieces of my dreams I did make another white castle full of dreams and waited to rise in pride. I waited until my castle; dream castle was crushed once again. I turned off the TV, switched channel and cursed me, thought about all those times when I did not watch the game but they fought brave; so I started to blame me for watching the game, so its me why they are failing. Still I did not give up dreaming, as I never did in my life. I can wait decades for a time when glory will shine, I can shout, I can scream and say We did it. Our players were never alone and they wonít be. Every time they fail it feels like we failed, it was us they couldnít win because of. Again when they have risen to their glory we said yes they can do it. We were there when they failed, we took the responsibility, we shared the pain with them. But we did not take there glory away from them when they won the fight. Itís them who came and presented us the glory, said ďbe glorifiedĒ. Letís support our team, the players with all their faulty techniques, stop playing the blame game. Players are like us too, they want to taste the blood of success too. When bad times like this comes, they need support that will help them believe in themselves, will make them mature. Lets support them and sort out the domestic league and bring back the players whom we are missing due to injury given they are fit.

Habibul_bashar
August 1, 2004, 03:45 AM
I know very well ther (bd) can not win any match with WI,Sa in champions trophy 2004.West Indies is now very strong team WI is not like BD.I hope BD will be make good in home sries..with sri,nz,in.:fire:

mahbubH
August 1, 2004, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by sasharif
I fully support F Waliullah's comments. Bring back Aminul and Minhazul for test matches and at least Aminul for ODIs. We can't care less about so called 'teen age sensations'. We don't eveen want win, we want respectability and predictability. Look at Kenya. Aminul is not older than Asif Karim (who came out of retirement to play world cup for kenyan glory), steve Tikolo or Odumbe. They kept the old guards as kenya needs some wins to keep their aspirations alive. Don't we need the same?

We already made one mistake in pushing them to early retirement and it would be another mistake to bring them back!! I hope selectors will learn from their experience and will not bring new player to test or ODI team without playing enough cricket with A team!. A team should play more international cricket which wil help our test/ODI team eventually.

[Edited on 1-8-2004 by sports_fan_bd]

rockpundit
August 1, 2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by oracle
Let's face it that we are not going to win in ICC next month, so the best thing we should do is:

-Rearrange team now before the important test matches.

-Get Bashar in order and back to no. 3

-Get Ash in consistency mode, drop pressure by putting him in his old spot, i.e no 5

-Drop Kapali, Mushfiq, Faisal and Sujon

-Bring 2 U-19 guys, hopefully Enamul and Nafis if they live up to promise

I hope we are not fielding the same team for the ICC matches because South Africa and certainly Pakistan are not going to give a easy ride.

We need to analyse who needs a long break, who is getting into the groove and who needs a really long break. Seems like at times the whole bunch needs that but that looks too deceiving.

Also a few of the U-19 could cope with a National exposure even though the risk of contamination is high.

Least of all , at least sort out the batting line up!
here is a prelim. list to concentrate on:

Javed
Nafis
Bashar
Rajin
Ash
Pilot
Rana
Razzak
Rafique or better still Masrafeee if he is fit
Tapash
Enamul or Nadif

[Edited on 29-7-2004 by oracle]


Ok oracle, lets analyse your comments. You seem to think that just by addressing the problems we can rectify them "Get Ash in consistency mode". I struggle to see how you can list this as something that we should do. We should be realistic, Ash's consistency cannot be switched on or off like a switch.

Another view that Im absolutely puzzled by is everyones insistency on dropping Bashar from captaincy, Bangladesh has appointed and sacked one captain after another. In the last 4 years, over 5 captains chosen... If we even want to think of winning a single test match , we have to bring some normalcy into the team! Bashar will learn to be a good captain, he has to learn to ease himself into pressure of captaincy , you cannot expect him to be born with it! Friends, lets be realistic here for gods sake. We cannot expect a player to appear out of the blue and win matches for us, it has hardly ever happened. We cannot keep on throwing the title of captaincy around, it undermines authority and prevents a single captain from learning the tricks of the trade.

rockpundit
August 1, 2004, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by mafizraju
Itís been quite hard for me to watch Bangladesh play and fall short miserably. Passing last three years without seeing Bangladesh play was hard for me. Since there was no TV channel who would broadcast the matches Bangladesh has played in last three years, I depended on cricinfo, and newspapers. So this time as soon as I got chance to see the game I said right on. Once again I would be able to put heart in line like million others will do from Bangladesh and from around the globe. I did. I did it because I wanted to cry out in joy for every good ball that comes out from the wrist of our bowlers or every class shot comes out of the bat. Every time a batsman gets out, I prayed and hoped the next one will do good, will rise up to his pride and show a gutsy performance. They couldnít do it. They failed and crushed short along with my dreams. But still the next day I started to weave my dreams again. Collecting the broken and torn pieces of my dreams I did make another white castle full of dreams and waited to rise in pride. I waited until my castle; dream castle was crushed once again. I turned off the TV, switched channel and cursed me, thought about all those times when I did not watch the game but they fought brave; so I started to blame me for watching the game, so its me why they are failing. Still I did not give up dreaming, as I never did in my life. I can wait decades for a time when glory will shine, I can shout, I can scream and say We did it. Our players were never alone and they wonít be. Every time they fail it feels like we failed, it was us they couldnít win because of. Again when they have risen to their glory we said yes they can do it. We were there when they failed, we took the responsibility, we shared the pain with them. But we did not take there glory away from them when they won the fight. Itís them who came and presented us the glory, said ďbe glorifiedĒ. Letís support our team, the players with all their faulty techniques, stop playing the blame game. Players are like us too, they want to taste the blood of success too. When bad times like this comes, they need support that will help them believe in themselves, will make them mature. Lets support them and sort out the domestic league and bring back the players whom we are missing due to injury given they are fit.


Exactly my point, well said. A bit dramatised but nevertheless, well said.

Zephaniah
August 1, 2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by rockpundit

Another view that Im absolutely puzzled by is everyones insistency on dropping Bashar from captaincy, Bangladesh has appointed and sacked one captain after another. In the last 4 years, over 5 captains chosen... If we even want to think of winning a single test match , we have to bring some normalcy into the team! Bashar will learn to be a good captain, he has to learn to ease himself into pressure of captaincy , you cannot expect him to be born with it! Friends, lets be realistic here for gods sake. We cannot expect a player to appear out of the blue and win matches for us, it has hardly ever happened. We cannot keep on throwing the title of captaincy around, it undermines authority and prevents a single captain from learning the tricks of the trade.

I advocated for Bashar being dropped from captaincy. Because at times I felt I would have dropped him from the team, had I been the selectors, for his stupid batting mistakes over and over again where as he's supposed to play sensibly as a senior member of the squad let alone captain. The issue has nothing to do with his skills as captain. Infact no one in the current squad is able to lead the team by example. But that comes with the territory, I suppose.

On more radical note, there is a first time for everything. Given the leadership quality of our current bunch of players, why don't we select a captain for a series only based on his performance in the previous series? Radical or revolutionary, you name it!

Haradhon
August 2, 2004, 07:45 PM
With the Asia Cup being over, I do not see a lot of people joining the forum.
One thing I have observed about the members of the forum is that it does not take too long for tham to make a hero of someone when he scores big and then drop him from hero to zero for the next bad performance.
I feel that we should look at a player's consistency over a sequence of matches and may be, give him a chance to regroup and recover in at least the next series.
Some positives/negatives out of the Asia Cup I wanted to share:
- Javed Omar has confirmed his opener slot
- Ashrful has shown maturity
- Bashar should realize that his captancy is on line if he does score big in future
- Rajin's vice-captancy will be questioned if he does not recover in the next series
- Alok needs a break for tune-up like Ashraful
- Faisal could not secure his place in the team
- Rana's averages look better than his performance?
- Musfiq Babu: the next series is critical for him.
Rafiq: Is he beyond his prime?
Masud: He is our Bangladeshi "Mr. Dependable"
Tapash: He might fit alongside Mashrafee and Rajib
Khaled Mahmud: No disrespect but his time is up
Razzak Raj: Other than his suspect action, he shines
Tareq Aziz: Did not make a case for his place in the team.

IanW
August 3, 2004, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
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I advocated for Bashar being dropped from captaincy.

Nope. You hired Australian coaches, and The Australian Way is you pick the best batsman in the side, and you make him captain.

There's been one minor exception to this, ever (Mark Taylor, late in his career).

Therefore, Bashar is captain. From an Aussie point of view, full stop, end of story.

Ian Whitchurch

Habibul_bashar
August 3, 2004, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by IanW
Originally posted by Zephaniah
[
I advocated for Bashar being dropped from captaincy.

Nope. You hired Australian coaches, and The Australian Way is you pick the best batsman in the side, and you make him captain.

There's been one minor exception to this, ever (Mark Taylor, late in his career).

Therefore, Bashar is captain. From an Aussie point of view, full stop, end of story.

Ian Whitchurch
No! bashar is the best batsman in bd team.Besause he make 3(100) and 17(50) and his test runs in 2074.There is no batsman who have 1000 runs in ba team.Only bashar and bashar.I think he is the best captain in bangladesh cricket history.I hope more make good in captain. :flag:

mahbubH
August 3, 2004, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by IanW
Originally posted by Zephaniah
[
I advocated for Bashar being dropped from captaincy.

Nope. You hired Australian coaches, and The Australian Way is you pick the best batsman in the side, and you make him captain.

There's been one minor exception to this, ever (Mark Taylor, late in his career).

Therefore, Bashar is captain. From an Aussie point of view, full stop, end of story.

Ian Whitchurch

Did not know before this Aussie rule of selecting cricket captain. It seems our Aussie coach of the development squad is not following the Aussie rule!! He selected a spinner as captain and one of the vice captains (there are two vice captains really!) is a pacer!!