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Shehwar
August 2, 2004, 07:56 AM
Itís about time we start thinking about bringing some sort of predictability and respectability to our batting. Lets face it here, we have been disgracing ourselves in ODIs ever since that infamous reshuffling before the World Cup 2003 where players like Biddut, Opee, Bulbul, Nannu and Akram were not considered and we were embarrassed to the limit. That to date in my mind, remains the biggest mistake our cricket authority has made and it is still affecting us. Needless to say that The World Cup was watched by millions of cricket fans from around the globe and that disastrous performance is all most cricket experts and fans from other countries have in memory when they speak of Bangladesh. Itís so pathetic! Can we ever convince them that the team selected then was an ďAĒ team of Bangladesh at best? Even after failing miserably series after series the current bunch of players find themselves in the team. Why? Itís not about failing so much; itís about the way they have been failing. Letís face it ppl! Some of them just donít have it in them! We need a few changes which is the call of the hour.

Now letí take a look at the opening pair. Before that I would like to make it clear that I have the ICC Champions Trophy in mind for now and Iím looking for immediate solutions of the continues batting humiliations instead of looking for a long term solution as I believe The ICC Champions Trophy is the second biggest cricketing event after The World Cup and we simply canít afford to bat the way we have been batting for the last 2-3 years. Itís about salvaging our image and those of you who are screaming for youth and future please get it out of your head for the time being at least. Trust me, there will be no future if we continue to do what we have been doing and they strip off our test status. Somehow we have to find a way of performing better than the Kenyans in the upcoming tourney. And I believe with proper selection itís possible. Now letís get back to the opening pair. Javed Omar should be an automatic selection. He has a sound technique which is essential for English conditions and also the ability of holding one end up. He will have to take on the anchoring role. Shahriar Hossain (Biddut) should definitely be selected if match fit. He has a wide range of strokes and a decent technique and more importantly has the experience of playing in English conditions (World Cup í99).

Habibul Bashar doesnít fit into my team for the tournament. With the technique Habibul Bashar has, he is certain not to succeed in conditions where the ball will do a bit. It may sound a bit harsh but when the ball is swinging, with his technique his chances of surviving is as good as a tail enderís. Itís Basharís amazing and unique hand-eye co-ordination that enables him to score such heavily and with such consistency in conditions where the ball doesnít swing much. And I personally, donít agree with the theory that Bashar is only suitable for tests and not for ODIs. His run scoring mainly depends on the venue or the nature of the pitch and it has nothing to do with the ODI or test version of the game. Ok let me try to prove my point. Bashar has a test average of 35.84 which is pretty decent by any standards. But in Zimbabwe and Srilanka where the ball swings around a bit early on (And Vaas swings it on any surface!) his test average is 24.00 and 15.83 respectively. New Zealand is another place where the conditions are suitable for swing bowlers and surprise surprise! Bashar averages 25.00 in tests there. Compare this with the flat batting tracks in Pakistan and Bangladesh and Bashar will average a staggering 64.00 and 35.73 respectively. He doesnít have the technique to play the swinging ball and to take him to England for the ICC Champions trophy will be a complete waste in my opinion. But we definitely need him for the upcoming home series against New Zealand and Srilanka. Letís not forget he has 8 ODI fifties and is well equipped to play in home conditions. I expect him to score heavily in tests as well as in ODIs in the upcoming back to back home series. My point here is donít pick him for ODIs in places like England, New Zealand and Srilanka where he is bound to fail. I donít think he will succeed in English conditions in test matches next year either but then we canít afford to drop him from the test squad.

Ashraful seems to be settling in nicely at the top of the order and should come in at number three. The number three spot of a team is of utmost importance and should be occupied by the best batsman of the side and I believe that is exactly what Ashraful is. Next, I would love to see Aminul Islam Bulbul bat at two down and show the youngsters how exactly it is done. Pick up the ones and twos and rotate the strike. In fact any one of Bulbul, Nannu and Akram would do, depending on who is match fit. Inclusion of one of them would definitely boost the batting and the morale of the team and will ensure that we donít collapse like a pack of cards. Rajin Saleh should come in at number five. Here is another player who is technically very sound and coming late in the order will perhaps help him to come out of his shell. I expect Rajin to go a long way. He is full of promise. At number six we need someone who can improvise and use the long handle if needed and my pick for that spot is Tushar Imran. He has all the shots in the book and can really go after the bowling if needed. Spinners will hardly come into play in English conditions and there is not much room for more than one spinner in the playing eleven. Manjarul Rana is my pick as he will be handy with the bat too.

I donít think there is any doubt about who the keeper will be and as for the bowlers, well they are just doing a fabulous job. There is no point in blaming the bowlers if the batters canít put a decent total on the board. The bowlers have been consistently performing well for the last year ní a half. Even in the Asia cup they didnít bowl too badly. They bowled out Hong Kong as they should have and the only time they got an opportunity to bowl first Ė they restricted Pakistan to 257 which is by no means a bad effort. We must play three seamers and I feel Mushfiqur, Khaled Mahmud and Tapash will do their reputation no harm in England. Khaled Mahmud in particular is well suited for English conditions and the inclusion of Mushfiqur and Mahmud would also give our batting the much needed depth. Tapash is no mug with the bat either. Once again, I must remind you that Iím not saying the team Iíve picked would beat South Africa and West Indies and set the world on fire! But it will at least ensure we donít disgrace ourselves in the batting department as we have been doing for so long. Take care everyone.

The playing eleven:

Javed Omar
Shahriar Hossain
Mohammad Ashraful
Aminul Islam / Minhazul Abedin / Akram Khan (Whoever is close to match fit) [Capt]
Rajin Saleh
Tushar Imran
Manjarul Rana
Mushfiqur Rahman
Khaled Mashud [Wk]
Khaled Mahmud
Tapash Baisya

Rest of the squad: Mehrab Hossain / Al- Shahriar. Tarek Aziz / Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique / Abdur Razzak.

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by Shehwar]

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by chinaman : Blank space removed]

Arnab
August 2, 2004, 11:46 AM
Paragraphs.

capslock
August 2, 2004, 11:46 AM
Paragraphs can be your friend.

Pundit
August 2, 2004, 12:00 PM
Was greatly dissapointed in seeing BD meekly surrender it top order in the Asia Cup, on my visit home this time. The good thing is we have some degree of parity in bowling & fielding, so that's like 2/3, to be stated simply.

What I never understand about the batting is -

a) the players may have intelligence (they are humans, right ?), but they never seem to apply it.

b) why is one player running for a single, when another runs for a 2 ?

c) why did I never see them play on the backfoot ?

d) and what's up with those wussy improvised wristy shots ? Where are their muscles ?

e) Ashraful needs a spanking !

Habibul_bashar
August 2, 2004, 12:29 PM
My dream is one day the tiger(BD) will be king of cricket.The time is not so f....I hope the best team in the world is bd.

My dream team:

Habibul bashar
Javed Omar
Mohammad Ashraful
Rajin Saleh
Tushar Imran
Manjarul Rana
Mushfiqur Rahman
Khaled Mashud [Wk]
Md:Rapiq
Khaled Mahmud
Tapash Baisya



:great::great::great::great::great::great:

Shehwar
August 2, 2004, 12:49 PM
Thank you for your suggestion. I have used the necessary paragraphs now and hope itís easier to read. Take care everyone.

Muntazar
August 2, 2004, 01:41 PM
Bulbul is finished. Get Aftab in there. Otherwise good team.

Habibul_bashar
August 2, 2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Shehwar
It’s about time we start thinking about bringing some sort of predictability and respectability to our batting. Lets face it here, we have been disgracing ourselves in ODIs ever since that infamous reshuffling before the World Cup 2003 where players like Biddut, Opee, Bulbul, Nannu and Akram were not considered and we were embarrassed to the limit. That to date in my mind, remains the biggest mistake our cricket authority has made and it is still affecting us. Needless to say that The World Cup was watched by millions of cricket fans from around the globe and that disastrous performance is all most cricket experts and fans from other countries have in memory when they speak of Bangladesh. It’s so pathetic! Can we ever convince them that the team selected then was an “A” team of Bangladesh at best? Even after failing miserably series after series the current bunch of players find themselves in the team. Why? It’s not about failing so much; it’s about the way they have been failing. Let’s face it ppl! Some of them just don’t have it in them! We need a few changes which is the call of the hour.

Now let’ take a look at the opening pair. Before that I would like to make it clear that I have the ICC Champions Trophy in mind for now and I’m looking for immediate solutions of the continues batting humiliations instead of looking for a long term solution as I believe The ICC Champions Trophy is the second biggest cricketing event after The World Cup and we simply can’t afford to bat the way we have been batting for the last 2-3 years. It’s about salvaging our image and those of you who are screaming for youth and future please get it out of your head for the time being at least. Trust me, there will be no future if we continue to do what we have been doing and they strip off our test status. Somehow we have to find a way of performing better than the Kenyans in the upcoming tourney. And I believe with proper selection it’s possible. Now let’s get back to the opening pair. Javed Omar should be an automatic selection. He has a sound technique which is essential for English conditions and also the ability of holding one end up. He will have to take on the anchoring role. Shahriar Hossain (Biddut) should definitely be selected if match fit. He has a wide range of strokes and a decent technique and more importantly has the experience of playing in English conditions (World Cup ’99).

Habibul Bashar doesn’t fit into my team for the tournament. With the technique Habibul Bashar has, he is certain not to succeed in conditions where the ball will do a bit. It may sound a bit harsh but when the ball is swinging, with his technique his chances of surviving is as good as a tail ender’s. It’s Bashar’s amazing and unique hand-eye co-ordination that enables him to score such heavily and with such consistency in conditions where the ball doesn’t swing much. And I personally, don’t agree with the theory that Bashar is only suitable for tests and not for ODIs. His run scoring mainly depends on the venue or the nature of the pitch and it has nothing to do with the ODI or test version of the game. Ok let me try to prove my point. Bashar has a test average of 35.84 which is pretty decent by any standards. But in Zimbabwe and Srilanka where the ball swings around a bit early on (And Vaas swings it on any surface!) his test average is 24.00 and 15.83 respectively. New Zealand is another place where the conditions are suitable for swing bowlers and surprise surprise! Bashar averages 25.00 in tests there. Compare this with the flat batting tracks in Pakistan and Bangladesh and Bashar will average a staggering 64.00 and 35.73 respectively. He doesn’t have the technique to play the swinging ball and to take him to England for the ICC Champions trophy will be a complete waste in my opinion. But we definitely need him for the upcoming home series against New Zealand and Srilanka. Let’s not forget he has 8 ODI fifties and is well equipped to play in home conditions. I expect him to score heavily in tests as well as in ODIs in the upcoming back to back home series. My point here is don’t pick him for ODIs in places like England, New Zealand and Srilanka where he is bound to fail. I don’t think he will succeed in English conditions in test matches next year either but then we can’t afford to drop him from the test squad.

Ashraful seems to be settling in nicely at the top of the order and should come in at number three. The number three spot of a team is of utmost importance and should be occupied by the best batsman of the side and I believe that is exactly what Ashraful is. Next, I would love to see Aminul Islam Bulbul bat at two down and show the youngsters how exactly it is done. Pick up the ones and twos and rotate the strike. In fact any one of Bulbul, Nannu and Akram would do, depending on who is match fit. Inclusion of one of them would definitely boost the batting and the morale of the team and will ensure that we don’t collapse like a pack of cards. Rajin Saleh should come in at number five. Here is another player who is technically very sound and coming late in the order will perhaps help him to come out of his shell. I expect Rajin to go a long way. He is full of promise. At number six we need someone who can improvise and use the long handle if needed and my pick for that spot is Tushar Imran. He has all the shots in the book and can really go after the bowling if needed. Spinners will hardly come into play in English conditions and there is not much room for more than one spinner in the playing eleven. Manjarul Rana is my pick as he will be handy with the bat too.

I don’t think there is any doubt about who the keeper will be and as for the bowlers, well they are just doing a fabulous job. There is no point in blaming the bowlers if the batters can’t put a decent total on the board. The bowlers have been consistently performing well for the last year n’ a half. Even in the Asia cup they didn’t bowl too badly. They bowled out Hong Kong as they should have and the only time they got an opportunity to bowl first – they restricted Pakistan to 257 which is by no means a bad effort. We must play three seamers and I feel Mushfiqur, Khaled Mahmud and Tapash will do their reputation no harm in England. Khaled Mahmud in particular is well suited for English conditions and the inclusion of Mushfiqur and Mahmud would also give our batting the much needed depth. Tapash is no mug with the bat either. Once again, I must remind you that I’m not saying the team I’ve picked would beat South Africa and West Indies and set the world on fire! But it will at least ensure we don’t disgrace ourselves in the batting department as we have been doing for so long. Take care everyone.

The playing eleven:

Javed Omar
Shahriar Hossain
Mohammad Ashraful
Aminul Islam / Minhazul Abedin / Akram Khan (Whoever is close to match fit) [Capt]
Rajin Saleh
Tushar Imran
Manjarul Rana
Mushfiqur Rahman
Khaled Mashud [Wk]
Khaled Mahmud
Tapash Baisya

Rest of the squad: Mehrab Hossain / Al- Shahriar. Tarek Aziz / Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique / Abdur Razzak.

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by Shehwar]

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by chinaman : Blank space removed]
Great post byShehwar:great:
I like the The playing eleven:
Thank you:fanflag:

Zobair
August 2, 2004, 01:47 PM
The pertinent question to ask here is whether bringing back our former players will significantly alter our situation.

Let us see what the facts have to say:

Aminul Islam Bulbul:

Age: 36 years 182 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 39
Ave.: 23.35
50s: 3
100s: 0
Strike rate: 56.69

Minhajul Abedin

Age: 38 years 312 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 27
Ave.: 18.87
50s: 2
100s: 0
Strike rate: A whopping 49.83!

Akram Khan

Age: 35 years 275 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 44
Ave.: 23.23
50s: 5
100s: 0
Strike rate: 56.71 (big hitting doesn't seem to have gotten him that far!)

Here are the stats for our current middle order (stats in the same order as for our legends):

Habibul Bashar, Rajin Saleh, Alok Kapali
Age: 31 years 314 days, 20 years 256 days, 20 years 214 days
# of Ms:53 , 19 , 42
Ave: 17.66 , 23.68 , 20.43
50s: 8 , 3 , 4
100s: 0 , 0 , 0
Sr. rt.: 57.07 , 52.44 , 65.81

I leave it to you to make up your minds.


Source of stats: statsguru CI

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by pompous]

AsifTheManRahman
August 2, 2004, 01:51 PM
I'm surprised to see that you've left Mashrafe out of the best 11. I'd rather kick Mahmud or Mushfique out.

As for the batting, i don't think bringing in one of the buiras will help a lot. They have been out of international cricket for a long time now, and suck as much as our current batsmen.

As for the batting order, although you have mentioned that we need someone like Rajin Saleh to come in at number 5 and Tushar Imran to come in at number 6, I'd say never mind who comes in at those positions, because whoever we play and whatever conditions we face, they'll have to face nothing more than a 10 over old ball anyways, thanks to our top order.

Habibul_bashar
August 2, 2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by pompous
The pertinent question to ask here is whether bringing back our former players will significantly alter our situation.

Let us see what the facts have to say:

Aminul Islam Bulbul:

Age: 36 years 182 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 39
Ave.: 23.35
50s: 3
100s: 0
Strike rate: 56.69

Minhajul Abedin

Age: 38 years 312 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 27
Ave.: 18.87
50s: 2
100s: 0
Strike rate: A whopping 49.83!

Akram Khan

Age: 35 years 275 days

relevant ODI statistics:

matches: 44
Ave.: 23.23
50s: 5
100s: 0
Strike rate: 56.71 (big hitting doesn't seem to have gotten him that far!)

Here are the stats for our current middle order (stats in the same order as for our legends):

Habibul Bashar, Rajin Saleh, Alok Kapali
Age: 31 years 314 days, 20 years 256 days, 20 years 214 days
# of Ms:53 , 19 , 42
Ave: 17.66 , 23.68 , 20.43
50s: 8 , 3 , 4
100s: 0 , 0 , 0
Sr. rt.: 57.07 , 52.44 , 65.81

I leave it to you to make up your minds.


Source of stats: statsguru CI

[Edited on 2-8-2004 by pompous]
:great::great::great:

Zobair
August 2, 2004, 01:55 PM
Mashrafe won't be fit in time for England, unfortunately!

Habibul_bashar
August 2, 2004, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by pompous
Mashrafe won't be fit in time for England, unfortunately!
I also think that Mashrafe not fit for ICC 2004:fanflag:

Muntazar
August 2, 2004, 11:31 PM
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[Edited on 3-8-2004 by Muntazar]

Shehwar
August 2, 2004, 11:39 PM
AsifTheManRahman I would definitely play a fully fit Mashrafe in place of Mushfiqur or Khaled but the fact is he hasnít been playing competitive cricket for quite some time now. No matter how good a player you are, it takes a bit of time to settle into big time cricket. Any information on how he is coming along? Can we expect him for The ICC Champions Trophy? By the way..Thank u Habibul_Bashar..Iím glad that u liked my post even though I left your favourite player out. Take care everyone.

chinaman
August 3, 2004, 12:14 AM
Dear Shehwar

May we publish your post as a front page article? Thanks.

One question about your selection, how do you plan to bowl 50 overs with 4 (Tapash, Chacha, Mushy & Rana) regular bowlers only?

Ash and Rajin are very irregular bowlers who can bowl a few overs should the need arise. But is it really a bright idea to leave out 10 overs to the guest bowlers?

Shehwar
August 3, 2004, 01:45 AM
Sure ChinamanÖ.Iíll be absolutely honoured if my post is published as a front page articleÖ
By the wayÖIts a good point u make about the fifth bowlerÖ.But in selecting this team I have emphasized more on the batting department and Iím trying to prevent the ever familiar collapse and I firmly believe that Rajin is often under used and has what it takes to be a very decent off-spinnerÖPlease do keep in mind that this team is only for The Champions Trophy in EnglandÖSo Iíll be keeping my fingers crossed and expect Rajin and if needed Ashraful to perform somewhere close to what Tendulkar and Sehwag have been doing with the ball for IndiaÖTake care broÖ

chinaman
August 3, 2004, 02:41 AM
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Shehwar
August 3, 2004, 02:54 AM
Thank u Chinaman..I have replied to the u2u...Hope it reached u...Take care..

Rubu
August 3, 2004, 01:44 PM
i guess it won't be irrelavent to post the link to this post of mine here. the threads are pretty much same and i disagree with in all cases about bringing back oldies.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/viewthread.php?tid=6700&page=2#pid75397