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Ahmed_B
August 14, 2004, 11:18 AM
Opener
Many of you here hav placed Nafis as opener in your teams.. but the team management seems to be quite determined and confident about Ashraful's Opening performance..

I think they are not going to make any change in those first two position and keep JO-Ash combingation intact in the tour.

Nafis/Aftab Playing?
On the other hand... mayb.. just mayb.. Asia cup was a small hint for Sujon that its time for him to stay out sometimes (Last match)...!! even though the reason was said to be fitness-related.. I think there are some other things going on also... about his performance basically. If it is true.. then it sure is a good sign for the team.
Mushfiq wil probably not stay out... so its probably time for Nafis/Aftab into 5/6 positions (probably not more than one of them in a match)... Personally I think it's not really a good idea to put very junior debutant players into the Opening positions at all.

Edited on, August 14, 2004, 4:27 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.

Rubu
August 14, 2004, 11:29 AM
since ash did good (more or less) and JO was on fire, i guess its not a bad idea. but the thing is, i've the feeling that ash can be much better in middle order since wihout him our middle order virutally disappears.

Mueid
August 14, 2004, 11:43 AM
i think ash is beter off in the opening slot..n we can try afteb in the middle...he might jus improve our middle..leave the head to javed n ash..n i don think i have to say anything bout our tail

AsifTheManRahman
August 14, 2004, 01:15 PM
see...this shuffling has to stop...ashraful is only 18 or 19 years old, and if you don't wanna lose him, let him settle down in a certain position instead of moving him around.

as for javed, he seems to be on fire, so keep him.

too bad bhatija!

as for aftab, we can play him instead of kapali, and nazimuddin or whatever his name is instead of razzaq.

the team's gonna look something like this:

Javed Omar
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Khaled Mashud
Khaled Mahmud
Mohammad Rafique
Nazimuddin
Tapash Baisya
Tareq Aziz/Mushfiqur Rahman

If Mushfique is chosen, he will, of course, come down to bat right after or before chacha.

Zobair
August 14, 2004, 01:32 PM
Its not Nazimmudin...its Nazmul Hossain. Nazimuddin is a batsman, Nazmul is a pacer.

I think the real question is what combination would we like to take to England? Six specialist batsmen and 5 regular bowlers? 7 specialist batsmen and 4 frontline bowlers?

I would go for the later, because its our batting department that needs all the bolstering that we can give it, and it is an ODI tournament.

AS far as the opening pair is concerned, I think the final decision will be made once we get through the warmup matches against Scotland and Ireland.

AsifTheManRahman
August 14, 2004, 01:37 PM
I dont think that picking 7 batsmen instead of 6 would make much of a difference, given the current form of our batsmen.

Zephaniah
August 14, 2004, 02:16 PM
pompous & AsifTheManRahman.

If Rana is selected then the problem could be solved. Rana's bowling is reasonably economical and creats wicket taking threat every now and then. He is a batsman of loads of determination and grit. So far he proved to be more useful as a batsman than the likes of Mushfiq and Mahmood who are supposed to contribute decent runs consistantly to justify their all-rounder tag!

Habibul_bashar
August 14, 2004, 02:51 PM
I thinks Javed Omar and Mohammad Ashraful is the best opner.

Mueid
August 14, 2004, 06:18 PM
i also think rana shud be included..he bats wit great determination..plays real cautiously n careful..doesnt gift his wicket away like most our batsmen..n we all know bout his bowling...

Mueid
August 14, 2004, 06:34 PM
umm..kinda feeling bad to critisize myself...but i jus thot about it..english conditions r more seamer friendly..n i think mushfiq's bowling wud be more suitable than rana's//besides we alredy have a spiner..moreover we cant say with certitude that rana's batin is gona do us gud

blink
August 14, 2004, 09:49 PM
In Asia Cup Ash seemed to keep his wicket in tact early so he could attack the bowling towards the end of the innings. But from the opening position it is harder to make it to the end than say from 4 or 5. Initially we thought Ash would attack from the top and that he would be good for some quick runs but this didnt turn out to be the case (a good thing), however Nafis should be capable of that, so i think try Nafis as opener and Ash in the middle. Of course if Nafis isnt going to stay in long, then it has to be Ash opening and Aftab in the middle.

PoorFan
August 14, 2004, 11:35 PM
Opening pair should be as it is now. ( Javed & Ash )
Aftab should play in middle, and Nafis should stay out
until he performs well with U-19. ( Not in practice )

Nasif
August 15, 2004, 01:41 AM
I don't want any change on opening slot. Ash and Javed is looking solid as of now. Also, its not a good idea for new comers to be tested in high risk situation. Opening is a critical slot, it can change the course of the game.

Edited on, August 15, 2004, 7:55 AM GMT, by nasif.
Reason: typo

bourny3
August 15, 2004, 04:27 AM
I think Rana should be a permenant fixture in the side. If he does a Saleh and works on his Fielding while the others are holidaying then he will be in the team for certain. He is solid at the lower order when Bangladesh upper order crumble he is the solidness to get the innings back on track

fwullah
August 15, 2004, 07:01 AM
I think my reply won't be liked by everyone, including myself.

Most of you are thinking - Ashraful scored 66 - that's great - he's now solid etc., etc. Well, did anyone see against whom he scored that 66? It was against Sri Lanka, yes, as a team Sri Lanka has a much better bowling attack - you'd have to admit that especially after SL bowled SA out twice in the 2nd test match, even if you forget about Sri Lanka's performance against Bangladesh in all the earlier matches.

BUT THE THING IS THAT ASHRAFUL HAS THIS THING AGAINST SRI LANKA IN SRI LANKA. His first and only test hundred came against Sri Lanka, his top score in ODIs in the early part of his ODI career came against Sri Lanka (36 runs during 2002 away tour), in short, for some reason, he favors the Sri Lankan team much more than anyone else in the whole Bangladesh team. In one way, he's like Aminul Islam against India. I mean, Aminul Islam had pretty poor scores against all teams except India. I think his batting average either in Tests or in ODIs is way better than his batting average against any other team.

And that 66 that Ashraful scored recently in the Asia Cup (his highest score in ODIs) - it was against Sri Lanka, too. Its not always that he scores big against Sri Lanka, yet, the stats are proving this little theory of mine.

And then there's Javed Omar. Well, he's experienced and a lot steadier, and determined, but have you noticed that our first match is against South Africa? Even if you forget about the pitch conditions of England, South Africa's opening bowling attack is quite respectable, and I haven't seen too many openers scoring 20s/30s against South Africa. Yes, again - Ashraful has an ODI vs SA - but that was in Dhaka and a bowler named Makhaya Ntini didn't know too much about Ashraful. Well, now he does.

In the conclusion, I'm not totally against opening with these two, but we have to strengthen our middle order a lot more in order to get at least a respecatable total.

My point is, is including Rajin, Bashar, and some newbies in Nafees/Aftab will do the job of the middle order?

It is a problem that I can't solve. I hope Dav can.

Iram
August 15, 2004, 10:04 AM
No, my feeling is that Ashraful should bat at no.5 spot. Doing good in two matches doesn't solve the problem. Nafees is a good opener. He has been doing good in the U-19s. So, I think Nafees and Javed should be tried to open the innings. Who knows? May be, they will be the best opening pair. If Nafees does bad then Ashraful will be brought back with Javed.

sheshprohor
August 15, 2004, 01:47 PM
Hmm...A lot of discussion about openers.....

My thought is a little bit different.

I support JO & ASH opening pair and also cruicially Nasif on the first down. We need openers to take the advantages of the first 15 overs ( as we all know Bashar behaves like crasher rather than basher in the first overs).

I also like to have someone who can run quickly in the middle 6/7 th down. Young and aggrasive will be considerable....so the choice could be Aftab.

I donno much about najmul, whether he is capable of swing (?) or not.....we can have 2 specialist fast bowler, 2 allrounder and one spinner.


prohor

Rubu
August 15, 2004, 01:53 PM
I support JO & ASH opening pair and also cruicially Nasif on the first down.

i like this idea. nasif vai, what u say? wanna give it a try?

Nasif
August 15, 2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I support JO & ASH opening pair and also cruicially Nasif on the first down.

i like this idea. nasif vai, what u say? wanna give it a try?

why not ;) its only a matter of switched 's' and 'f' :)

How bad can it be? I can gurantee I won't scrore a duck :D

Bangla Mostan
August 15, 2004, 03:17 PM
i sense probably...a quick change in having nafis & Ash...opening with rajin and Bashar next..

sheshprohor
August 15, 2004, 08:59 PM
:rolleyes:

Dumb Me....sigh !!!

was pointing to nafis.....






Prohor

bourny3
August 16, 2004, 04:52 AM
How about Rafique opening

akabir77
August 16, 2004, 12:05 PM
Nafis didn't do that well. Why the hell he is in the team???? I thought the other Nafees did better than him... ANyone care to discuss about that? :o

Edited on, August 16, 2004, 5:06 PM GMT, by akabir77.

Bangla Mostan
August 16, 2004, 12:47 PM
as long as we can win one match...:fanflag:

BD Tigers
August 16, 2004, 01:39 PM
I thought we already had a thread on this. Anyway, like I said in that thread, they will keep Ash/Javed as openers unless Nafis shows tremendous form in the practice matches against Ireland. And Aftab will play in the middle for sure.

As far as Rana, I think he shud be in the team and also Rafique. Yea in England, you tend to take pacers than spinner but I think our two leftys are quite good and they shud be in the team. Now for chacha, I think he will play or Mushfiq. I think they will let Chacha play the first game and he doesnt play good, they will bring Mushfiq. They cud also have Mushfiq play instead of Rana. Nazmul and Baisha will be our openning bowlers. So here is my line up:

Javed Omar
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Rana
Khaled Mashud
Khaled Mahmud/Mushfiqur Rahman
Mohammad Rafique
Nazmul
Tapash Baisya

Zobair
August 16, 2004, 01:59 PM
I think BDTigers has got it right. This lineup is what the selectors have in mind most probably. Nafis really needs to show some consistency before he can command an opening slot. As things stand he will probably come in if the current opening pair of JO and Ash fails.


Originally posted by BD Tigers
I thought we already had a thread on this. Anyway, like I said in that thread, they will keep Ash/Javed as openers unless Nafis shows tremendous form in the practice matches against Ireland. And Aftab will play in the middle for sure.

As far as Rana, I think he shud be in the team and also Rafique. Yea in England, you tend to take pacers than spinner but I think our two leftys are quite good and they shud be in the team. Now for chacha, I think he will play or Mushfiq. I think they will let Chacha play the first game and he doesnt play good, they will bring Mushfiq. They cud also have Mushfiq play instead of Rana. Nazmul and Baisha will be our openning bowlers. So here is my line up:

Javed Omar
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Rana
Khaled Mashud
Khaled Mahmud/Mushfiqur Rahman
Mohammad Rafique
Nazmul
Tapash Baisya

Rubu
August 16, 2004, 02:10 PM
i actually like this lineup. hopefully rajin will have a comeback and the middle order will come to life as well. bashar is a worry in english condition, but there is nothing we can do, unless bringing him down the order. other than that, lineup looks pretty good to me.

Ibrahim
August 17, 2004, 03:56 PM
We should agree that BD team is not in a great form now. If it is true we have to go for change the current team. Especially, replacing the super-star CHACHA. He must go this time.

We should utilized new talent Nafis in the opening (his only place). And moving ASH to his old position (#5), where he loves to face old ball (according to him).

We need one more specialist batsman in the middle order. Guess who will be in this position.

To fit these guys we have to replace others, no matter if he is Musfique or Chacha. For Bathija Chacha must go.