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Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 04:43 PM
i now cannot attend the game tomorrow as i have to play.

chinaman
August 28, 2004, 04:46 PM
Sorry to hear that. How about day after tomorrow.

deshke-bhalobashi
August 28, 2004, 04:46 PM
Hi Gary....................love your spirit.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 04:47 PM
well i cant go to dublin, long way away. i love the guy who called me british. Im very proud of it.

deshke-bhalobashi
August 28, 2004, 04:50 PM
Do you read articles on Bangladesh's cricket on the net? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge about our cricket.

chinaman
August 28, 2004, 04:52 PM
No problem. Do you think any online radio station will broadcast the match? How about score updates from any website?

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 04:56 PM
well we get a lot of their tests here in the UK and they will be in England next spring and early summer. i read about all teams on the net but my knowledge of Bangladesh comes mainly through watching them. As I said before u definitely deserve test status and arent as bad as ppl say. You should have had 5 test victories. But it will come. Whatmore knows what he is doing, he sure did with Sri Lanka.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:00 PM
whats the latest on mashrafe's fitness, sanwar and abdur's actions, manjural islam (Seamer) and Shahriar Hossain?

chinaman
August 28, 2004, 05:05 PM
Sanwar is out of the picture. Razzak is in England now to work on his action. We could see Mashrafe in action against NZ in october. I wouldn't be too surprised if I see Talha-Mashrafe-Tapash-Nazmul-Razzak playing together against NZ, SL, IND and other starting from october :)

deshke-bhalobashi
August 28, 2004, 05:07 PM
Mashrafee hopes to play againt NZ in October. Sanwar is a gonner. Razzak is in England to correct his action although I personally see nothing wrong with it. Manjural just doesn't fit in cause express or near express fast bowlers like Shahadat Hossain, Talha Jubaer and Mashrafee are the future.

deshke-bhalobashi
August 28, 2004, 05:08 PM
Shahriar Hossain is gone too..............no chance of a recall

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:13 PM
but why have these players gone? sanwar impressed the aussies. and manjarul always looked a good bowler. u cant tell me razzaq would play ahead of rafique.........mohammad is the best orthodox finger spin bowler in the world.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:18 PM
can I ask also who would keep if Khaled Mashud was absent? I dont have ur knowledge but if I was selector my 11 would be (abroad)

Javed Omar, Manjarul Islam Rana, Habibul Bashar, Rajin Saleh, Mohammad Ashraful, Alok Kapali, Mushfiqur Rahman, Khaled Mashud, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe bin Mortaza, Tapash Baisya. ok some players I have said I rated arent there and Aftab Ahmed isnt. I wonder is Islam Rana good enough to open, or would Hannan Sarkar/Shahriar/Nafis/Moniruzzaman(!) be the one to partner Javed.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:19 PM
Alok is better than Faisal Hossain, he should be in England. When u have talent like Kapali u must stick with them. Ashraful likewise.

deshke-bhalobashi
August 28, 2004, 05:20 PM
Manjarul doesn't strike fear in batsmen......too timid and one-dimentional. Sanwar is at best a utility player....................Razzaq is a gem.........best spinning prospect for Bangladesh in ODIs.

Whatmore is trying to ease out the bits and pieces cricketers to accomodate prospective stars............

bhobishshot
August 28, 2004, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Gary Niblock
can I ask also who would keep if Khaled Mashud was absent?



Here are the potential candidates:
Hannan Sarkar
Mohammad Salim
Dhiman Ghosh
Anwar Hossain

Edited on, August 28, 2004, 10:28 PM GMT, by bhobishshot.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:28 PM
oh dont get me started on bits and pieces. im famous for backing specialists.

Zunaid
August 28, 2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by deshke-bhalobashi
Manjarul doesn't strike fear in batsmen......too timid and one-dimentional. Sanwar is at best a utility player....................Razzaq is a gem.........best spinning prospect for Bangladesh in ODIs.

Whatmore is trying to ease out the bits and pieces cricketers to accomodate prospective stars............

Very astute observation there.

The current team is comprised of mostly these bits and pieces cricketer - the more solid one's have either retired or are on the way out. There are a quite a lot of good young 'uns on the way but the problem is this - they will be fast tracked onto the seniors earlier than they should.

Without the time to mature - they will fail more often than not and will start raising the ire of the fans or the selectors or both. Soon they too will be discarded for yet another band of youngsters and the vicious cycle continues.

Consider this. At the age group level, the BD team is defnitely more competitive than the seniors. You would have then thought that in a few years then the senior team would be equally competitive. But, that is the operative word - "a few years".

With the lack of depth we suffer from, we are not able to give these youngsters the opportunity to hone their skills and grow into being outstanding circketers. Look at the more established Test nations. Their youngsters do not get a shortcut into the seniors as soon as they show some promise. These lads spend years on the periphery of the national team, getting better each year in competitive domestic leagues until when the time does come, they are ready for the big-time.

Throw them in early - and they never are able to reach their promise. Of course, there are exceptions - Majid Khan, Tendulker et al. But look at the current Aussie team - most of their players debuted in mid-20s and not in their teens.

That is our problem. We are forced to throw in these young lads into the ring much earlier than they we should - we stunt them, burn them out, discard them and then look for new fodder for the fire.

Is there an escape from our catch-22 situation?

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 05:54 PM
Well actually I am of the opinion that the best place to learn is international cricket. If u have a precociously talented player then throw him in there and see what he is made of.

Zunaid
August 28, 2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Gary Niblock
Well actually I am of the opinion that the best place to learn is international cricket. If u have a precociously talented player then throw him in there and see what he is made of.

The operative word is "precocious" - such a lad will thrive anywhere - my examples of Majid Khan and Tendulkar were "precocious".

I am not sure that we have yet unearthed such talents. Good yes (Rajin/Ash/Mashrafee), perhaps even great (Razzaq) but no " we are not worthy" ones.

Gary Niblock
August 28, 2004, 06:05 PM
im sure somewhere in bangladesh there are some. may i take this opportunity to wish that Bangladesh rebuilds itself after the terrible floods. I myself have donated money to a flood appeal. Living in the UK we dont know how lucky we are even if it does rain every day in Belfast!

James90
August 28, 2004, 09:34 PM
I think Manjural can make a return...i'm thinking 2 years he'll get a recall after Nazmal and Shahadat fail and Tapash burns out. I was VERY impressed with Sanwar when he came here...he looks very profession and takes his cricket seriously. I certainly don't think Shahriah's out of it. He'll open with Javed against NZ. I'm not a fan of Razzaq's action i think he has a serious problem. Mashrafe will be back for New Zealand aswell. Also I think Sri Lanka pulled out of the Bangladesh home series.

Edited on, August 29, 2004, 2:35 AM GMT, by Habibul_fan.

fwullah
August 28, 2004, 11:57 PM
The problem with Sanwar Hossain is that he is a specialist batsman and a part time off spinner while coming into the International cricket from domestic cricket. He has won many domestic teams with the cotributions of his bat.

And you can easily see his batting record compared to his bowling record. Ehsanul Haque Seejan is yet another example of - specialist batsman but a better bowler in international cricket. While Ehsanul Haque has at least 5, if not 10 years ahead of him, to be some sort of an all-rounder, but Sanwar Hossain does not.

Being only a good off spinner is not what we want from Sanwar especially when we have specialist spinners like Rafique, Rana, Razzak in the International scene already. If he could at least score 20s like Alok Kapli regularly, then we could have think of Sanwar's usefulness in the team. But not with the batting records that he has now.

I think someone mentioned here that Sanwar Hossain is like Stuart Law of Australia - who has always proved at all levels, except in the actual International matches.

I remember his batting against Kenya, when other batsman failed to score or stay at the wicket, it was because of Sanwar Hossain that we could draw a 3/4-day match against Kenya during 2002.

fwullah
August 29, 2004, 12:07 AM
If I am right, Monjurul Islam is a gonner, too. After a certain age, pace bowlers lose their spirit, or strength or whatever, and they are not doing their best. It happened to Hasibul Hussain Shanto.

Now its been happening to Monjurul Islam. If you want to see Monjurul back, then you have to know the problem of Hasibul, while at 28, Hasibul is nowhere in his competition in returning to the national team.

I guess to be more specific, Monju has bowled a lot of overs in International cricket (Test cricket and ODI cricket) to be called indispensable.

When he was dropped, he was dropped because he still had the ability to take wickets, and to take the ball back into the right-hander, but for some reason, best known to him only, he stopped doing that for years. And once Whatmore realized it, he immediately told the selectors, or the selectors realized it themselves that Monjurul is not giving his best.

Why - look at Chaminda Vaas of Sri Lanka - he has been playing for Sri Lanka for about more than 10 to 15 years now? He still takes wickets, brings the ball back into the right-hander etc. etc. But Monjurul has forgotten to do that, at least he forgets to do that unless he's reminded, or he sees his place in the national team is in jeopardy.

Monjurul's inability to bat is also a negative point.

fwullah
August 29, 2004, 12:49 AM
About Alok Kapali - have you seen how Andrew Flintoff has come back after a few years' break? He's now a match-winner, whereas what a disappointing player he was only after a few years back!

Alok Kapali just needs that kind of a break, after that, he'll come back good.

bhobishshot
August 29, 2004, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by Gary Niblock
may i take this opportunity to wish that Bangladesh rebuilds itself after the terrible floods. I myself have donated money to a flood appeal. Living in the UK we dont know how lucky we are even if it does rain every day in Belfast!

Thank you Gary.

bourny3
August 29, 2004, 08:53 PM
What about Mushfiqur Rahim for the replacement of Khaled Mashud if i gets injured.