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al Furqaan
August 29, 2004, 03:13 PM
we had a middle order collapse but still managed to win thanks to rajin...at least we didnt have a top order collapse 144-1 is awesome.

i won't be surprised if nafis plays well against the WI or SA but i wont be surprised if he gets out on ducks either.

but i am confident that nafis as well as ash and JO will lead our batting attack to glory within a few years if not in the very near future.

tpusltn
August 29, 2004, 03:15 PM
Nafis never prforms when it counts.

ZunaidH
August 29, 2004, 04:16 PM
"Nafis never prforms when it counts."


tpusltn;

I disagree. He perfromed today against Ireland. I believe it counts as well. Wasn't he the MoM? Please stand corrected.

Mueid
August 29, 2004, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by ghor_jamai
"Nafis never prforms when it counts."


tpusltn;

I disagree. He perfromed today against Ireland. I believe it counts as well. Wasn't he the MoM? Please stand corrected.
in a way tpusltn is rite..last time he scored a double ton for the u-19 team in a practice match..n then wat did he do in the real matches against eng u-19?..completely failed

FaltuRidwanBhai
August 29, 2004, 07:36 PM
well nafees did a great job. well the thing is that nafees jodi 1 ta century kore tahole dekha jai ontoto prai ar por o 3 ta duck mare. ar negative tai beshi kore dekha jai. now wat nafees has to work on is his consistency. taholai shob shomoshhas shomadhan hoye jabe bole ami mone kori.

Rubu
August 29, 2004, 11:28 PM
u know what, u won't understand what nafis did today. because we won.

if we did lost, our forum would be flooded with frustrating posts, morns and heart breaking crying. yeah, he spared u from that.

i don't know what u say, i say it counts.

it does counts BIG TIME.

Tehsin
August 29, 2004, 11:50 PM
His cntribution today was HUGE (can't take another loss in the hands of associate sides, no matter how bad we played or how good they played) and examplary for te rest of the team. The boy has talent albeit a little inconsistent in his performance. But that can change over the years and who knows, he may become our next ODI centurian. Come on, he scored a 100 off 70 odd balls when 6 players from his team didn't even reach double figures. Without him, we couldn have been all out for 150 for all I know. How bad would that have been ?

Some people praise the Kenyan batsmen for their hundreds/fifties as if they are god and forget that it took 'em 10-20 matches to score that one good knock and the rest of the times, they pretty much sucked. So, give Nafees a break. It's always easier to score big against smaller teams but it's really hard when the opponent is tough. The hundred will definitely give him the confidence for better results in the ODIs. I also let us know that even we have players who can score at over 100 strike rate.

fwullah
August 30, 2004, 12:28 AM
he spared u from that. - Actually, I think it was Rajin, not debutante Nafis who spared us from the mourns and humiliations.

Tehsin
August 30, 2004, 12:33 AM
No, it was nafees who did ALL the work with great support from Golla. Rajin hang in there and just finished what Nafees started. If Nafees hadn't gone out, we could have won the match by 7 or 8 wickets with 1-5 overs in hand. Rajin surely gets credit for keeping his cool while his teammates forgot how to bat.

fwullah
August 30, 2004, 12:35 AM
Actually, I think it was Rajin, not debutante Nafis who spared us from the mourns and humiliations.


Here, experience counted once again.

Yes, Rajin is inexperienced, but he's a bit more experienced than Nafis, and in other words, although in this case, youngster Nafis showed the flare of youth and the talents that we have, it was the experienced guy (experienced of losing too many close matches against BIG GUNS within the last one year) that had helped Rajin to play the little, but match winning innings that he played yesterday.

Come to think of it, our players were losing and losing during the pre-Whatmore era, but nobody seemed to learn anything from all those lost matches, and suddenly after losing 5/6 close games against Pakistan, Zimbabwe and West Indies, one of our players (Rajin) has shown that he had learnt something.

Ironic, isn't it?

fwullah
August 30, 2004, 12:42 AM
it was nafees who did ALL the work with great support from Golla


Well, Nafis did did ALL the work, but he couldn't finish it. If Rajin was not there, then the whole match would have been only a good practice for Javed and Nafees and all we would have done right now, is praise Nafees for his hundred, because otherwise, it would have been a match without joy, but full of promise of things to come.

Now that we've won the match - the confidence of the other players will be enormous and it should encourage others to contribute in today's match the way Rajin did (or better), to impress others, if not to impress themselves.

PoorFan
August 30, 2004, 01:17 AM
The problem is, if you try to give the credit to certain individual. (Nafis or Rajin )
Nafis did his job brilliantly, and there is no way to question about it.
Rajin hang on there with his cool, when middle order goes down one by one.
If one of them ( Nafiz or Rajin ) didn't do their job as they should, then it could be a nightmare for all.
So in my opinion, we did win the match because of individual perform,
but we did lose the match because of poor team perform.
The second one bothers me more, rather than individual contribution.

potshot
August 30, 2004, 07:50 PM
In the first OD against Ireland, it was a great start followed by late order batting collapse that almost cost BD the match. In the second OD,it was the more familiar top order collapse which almost cost us the match again before a great resue effort by Mashud and Rafique.

So, in brief, a collapse looks like an inbuilt feature of a BD innings. BD won both the matches in the end, but they had to work very hard for their victories. As we have seen in the past, being made to work hard in practice matches before the real matches begin seldom prepare BD for the real matches. The memory of Asia cup are only too fresh.

It is good that BD won the match. But let us not read too much into it because Ireland is after all only an associate member and a full fledged ODI side is expected to roll over it. We will need to work on our batting collapses which has become such a regular feature of the side. Such continued vulnerability in batting is likely to be exploited fully by the big guns in the real matches.

Haradhon
August 30, 2004, 09:45 PM
The two wins against Ireland are definitely morale-boosting. But keep in mind South Africa and the Windies are tough opponents. Scoring 225+ when batting first would be face-saving and defensible. Under English conditions a disciplined bowling can restrict the opponent within 250.
Rajin is more focused to defend his wicket rather than scoring. Shujon is bowling better. Nafis can have a duck or a 50+. Rafiq-Tapash-Nazmul will bowl better than the Srilankan tour. We still lack a strike bowler – No one knows which bowler is going to shine, like the way Shujon did in 2nd ODI with Ireland.
A remote win against W’indies would require a couple of 50+ from Golla-Ash- Nafis, cool defensive batting from either Rajin or Pilot, and average contribution from other batters in the neighborhood of 20+. Also, we need Lara to flunk!
My expectations are a close game with SA, even if we lose, and a good fight with W’indies, at least sweat them to win.

tpusltn
August 31, 2004, 12:42 AM
Bangladesh Team's weakness is very transperant. That is something known to everybody.

Question is can BD improve on its weakness gradually while holding on to its' other all ready improved department? The answer is 'Yes' certainly we can. We need to be patient as we're now.

Bavo to our beloved team. Congrats on your deseved win.

bdmoderator
August 31, 2004, 11:59 AM
:mad: always batting collapses. its really bad. i think selectors have to think abt it. unless we will never win any big matches with big opponents. :mad:

rassel
August 31, 2004, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by bdmoderator
:mad: always batting collapses. its really bad. i think selectors have to think abt it. unless we will never win any big matches with big opponents. :mad:



What’s happing captain? gat a new nick:bird:

fwullah
August 31, 2004, 12:14 PM
Talking about batting collapses - have you been watching the SA-SL matches closely? I haven't, but I heard the TV commentators - Tony Greig and Dino (Dean something, forgot his full name at this moment) saying that South Africa have been facing mini collapses throughout the SL tour.

I'm not saying that we should capitalize on that or something (we have BIG collapses, so we have our own things to worry about), however, I've been hearing too many thins that the South Africans have faced against SL that are quite similar to Bangladesh's. Besides this collpase thingy, South Africa also have problem with their batting order - there's a huge debate as to whether Klusener should go up the order or not, whether there are too few specialist batsman (and hence, too many all-rounders in the team) - one among many opinions is that Dippenaar should have been in the One Day squad instead of being just a 'test specialist' batsman etc. etc. Their captain Graem Smith is also not batting upto the mark - as a leader should be. Plus, South Africa have lost 10 matches on the trot, whereas Sri Lanka have won 16 out of 17 most recent ODIs. By the way, their one of the most prominent batsman in ODIs, Harchelle Gibbs is having a pretty bad time - he has been off form for such a long time that there has been talks about dropping him from the squad due to his poor form.

Doesn't all this sound familiar to us? So, does this mean that when a team is losing and losing, the problems are exactly similar, and that things do get better as the team starts to win matches?

mahbubH
August 31, 2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by rassel
Originally posted by bdmoderator
:mad: always batting collapses. its really bad. i think selectors have to think abt it. unless we will never win any big matches with big opponents. :mad:



What’s happing captain? gat a new nick:bird:
I do not think so!

crazyisland
August 31, 2004, 01:08 PM
I think Nafees is the one of the VERY few BD batsmen who is not intimidated by the opponent. I haven't seen him play but I can guess that he does not feel intimated when he bats rather he intimates the opponent bowlers. Only few BD batsmen bats with that attitude.

The way he had his century against England and Ireland was extra ordinary even for International level.

Give him some time at the national level I bet he will start making centuries against other Test teams.

As far as the 1st ODI against Ireland is concern no doubt Nafees's 100 off 70 balls was the key to the win.

We as a fan also has the responsibility to be constructively critical. Let's support our players - at least give them the credit they deserve.

AsifTheManRahman
August 31, 2004, 02:53 PM
i don't think it's fair to say that nafis does not perform when it counts...he did perform exceptionally in the u 19 WC. he also did ok against eng u 19, if not excellent.

and the ireland match was important...he did save our butt big time...

besides, he's only played 2 odi's...i think we shouldn't be making conclusions so fast...