Bash from a writer

[akabir77]

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/viewthread.php?tid=8256

From Cricinfo.

Read the article

Even though he is right about our cricket that we r missing star players but just to show how difficult test is i want to mention something to the reporter

even though you people had star player still took 20 years

and talking about draws hey we all know how was your ump's at that time. how often they use to give out OUT the op star players. just think if we had two bd ump operating like indians and gave out tandu, the 1st test would be more close....
and correct me if i am wrong i thing some countries even refused to play in srilanka cause of the ump there so please take those things in the count before you say bd is doing much worse and shouldn't be playing etc.

all i am saying we r bad but that doesn't mean we shoudln't play test and improve.... I feel sad when ever they get a chance take a punch on us even though they know we r down no one is trying to help us as if, if we stop playing cricket will be all good with 9 countrys .. rubish

these guys will do anything to show bd down....
What do u guys think? Pls no indian comment needed here, yeah we know you guys r great, don't have to come in bd web and brag about it :mad:

Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.

Edited on, December 17, 2004, 5:18 PM GMT, by chinaman.
Reason: Title changed

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by akabir77
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/viewthread.php?tid=8256

From Cricinfo.

Read the article

Even though he is right about our cricket that we r missing star players but just to show how difficult test is i want to mention something to the reporter

even though you people had star player still took 20 years

Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.


20 years for what?

Originally posted by akabir77

and talking about draws hey we all know how was your ump's at that time. how often they use to give out OUT the op star players.
Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.

By no means Indian umpires were as bad as Aussies or Pakistanis. In Pakistan it took 10 years for Javed Miandad to get his first LBW. Bill Lawry never got LBW in Aus. Contrast this with the number of LBW Tendulkar or Gavaskar got in India. India's record has got better since the days of neutral umpires.

Originally posted by akabir77
just think if we had two bd ump operating like indians and gave out tandu, the 1st test would be more close....
Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.

Ifs and buts don't help. But if you want to go there, it would have been better had Bangladesh caught Sachin. At the end of the day it was an innings defeat with less than 3 days of play, if you consider play started very late on day 1.



Originally posted by akabir77
and correct me if i am wrong i thing some countries even refused to play in srilanka cause of the ump there
Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.

No. That is not true. You are basing your arguments based on falsehood.


Originally posted by akabir77
all i am saying we r bad but that doesn't mean we shoudln't play test and improve.... I feel sad when ever they get a chance take a punch on us even though they know we r down no one is trying to help us as if, if we stop playing cricket will be all good with 9 countrys .. rubish
Edited on, December 17, 2004, 1:58 PM GMT, by akabir77.

It is not that the world is against Bangladesh. Teams like Lanka and Zim didn't struggle this much in their early days. So people are little upset with Bangladesh setting dubious records. Once they show some character, people will only support. It is never easy losing to your neighbor in any sport. I can understand that. But, don't get too defensive. Bangladesh cricket is at a difficult stage. It is going to take another 3-4 years. The mental aspect of present day cricket is underestimated. It can cause a lot of harm if you lose badly. All said and done, attempting to heap crap on India just because the critic happens to Indian will get you nowhere. Indian cricket board is rich. It is in Bangladesh's interest if some money flows there.

[Ganesh]

Oh by the way the critic Robin Marlar is an English guy. Since India hatred is the theme you are interested in, you assumed the guy is Indian and heaped crap on India. Good going.

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/31/31218/31218.html

[indiaman007]

India drew 12 of first 20 tests and produced cricketers like Mankad, Hazare, Amar Singh - all world class performers and respected by their contemporaries. NZ drew most of their tests as well and became competitive only 5/6 years after gaining their test status. SL and ZIM produced world class cricketers such as Mendis, Ratnayake, Houghton, Andy Flower upon attaining their test status and became competitive in no time. These countries had set themselves standards and gained respectability from their opponents - Bangladesh may never win another test for 10 years, but if they are competitive and draw a few games, giving an accurate indication of their potential - they will at least have respectability, and that in itself - will be a valid justification for their test status.

I wont even bother addressing your points on umpiring - since most of those arguments are BS. Bangladesh wouldnt do well even if they had home umpires in charge of their matches, that is the standard you are at the moment.

[DJ Sahastra]

Bangladesh taem needs, and i must stress here, NEEDS a good first-class cricket structure in their country to see any improvement.

I think most bangladesh players play with the temperament of an ODI amtch.

[SS]

Could you please leave us alone. Thanks for your advices and all suports. We will take care of our own system, please leave us alone. We will criticize us, we will praise us, we will get enjoyment with one wicket or 50 run from our batsman, it's our team, our right, our feeling...please don't interfere..we are happy with what we have, we didn't ask for any comments from you guys
Thank you.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Bangladesh taem needs, and i must stress here, NEEDS a good first-class cricket structure in their country to see any improvement.


That is a very desparate need. They need to play 3 first clas tournaments a year at least.

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
I think most bangladesh players play with the temperament of an ODI amtch.

Players need to know how slow down things a bit when things are not going in your favor. Many times opponents make mistake because they are going too fast. May be they need to take a look at India-Aus Adelaide test video. Aussies scored 400 runs on day 1 and still lost.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by SS
Could you please leave us alone. Thanks for your advices and all suports. We will take care of our own system, please leave us alone. We will criticize us, we will praise us, we will get enjoyment with one wicket or 50 run from our batsman, it's our team, our right, our feeling...please don't interfere..we are happy with what we have, we didn't ask for any comments from you guys
Thank you.

Oh sure sir. But don't assume Robin Marlar is an Indian when he is a brit. If you do that and bash India, then better be prepared for this. OK?

[Arnab]

I have no idea how the title post relates to the article it links to.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by Arnab
I have no idea how the title post relates to the article it links to.

It is just an India baiting thread. Just as simple as that.

[Fazal]

And the bait is working.

[BD Tigers]

I think akabir77 is talking about this article not the one he had in his post. The writer here is an indian.

<a href="http://plus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/DEC/131431_BDESHIND2004-05_17DEC2004.html">Click here</a>

I dont want to go into any confrontation but I guess at the difficult times, people shud help the who needs it most. I guess Indian doesnt follow that rule (only in my opinion).

Edited on, December 17, 2004, 6:03 PM GMT, by BD Tigers.

[Navarene]

...and bashing goes on (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2cluster2/h2.cgi?thread=%3C1103300887-24916.41%40forum5.thdo.bbc.co.uk%3E&find=%3C1103300887-24916.41%40forum5.thdo.bbc.co.uk%3E&board=tms.southasian&sort=Te)

[Beamer]

But it is also true that a lot of Indian writers of Indian origin in Cricinfo and other medias are overly critical of everything associated with Bangladesh and Bangladesh cricket. Not saying that non-Indians aren't, but for some reason the tone in their( inidan writers ) articles are a bit more attacking than others. It seems like they never seem to pass an oppurtunity to dis us whenever it presents themselves. The constant negative adjectives attributed to our players sometimes go beyond journalistic integrities. Lack of talent, quality of competition, lack of infrastucture...etc are spitted out more often than an attacking cobra. Yet, when a Indian batsmen goes out & hits a big ton against us, he is model of perfection or when a bowler gets 10 wkts, he is the best thing since the loaf of bread. Put an asterisk besides those records then since it came against lowly Bangladesh. Don't glorify the achievements then. In this particular article, this dude ,compares Pura Cup to Ranji trophy! what a joke. In Ranji trophy the dead enders at no.11 happen to score double hunderd from time to time. 800-900 are not uncommon totals. To say that no one from BD team can't even bring the drinks for a ranji trophy side is utter non-sense. He is dillusional in comparing Pura Cup with Ranji. Shows his blind bias.

[indiaman007]

Originally posted by Beamer
But it is also true that a lot of Indian writers of Indian origin in Cricinfo and other medias are overly critical of everything associated with Bangladesh and Bangladesh cricket. Not saying that non-Indians aren't, but for some reason the tone in their( inidan writers ) articles are a bit more attacking than others. It seems like they never seem to pass an oppurtunity to dis us whenever it presents themselves. The constant negative adjectives attributed to our players sometimes go beyond journalistic integrities. Lack of talent, quality of competition, lack of infrastucture...etc are spitted out more often than an attacking cobra. Yet, when a Indian batsmen goes out & hits a big ton against us, he is model of perfection or when a bowler gets 10 wkts, he is the best thing since the loaf of bread. Put an asterisk besides those records then since it came against lowly Bangladesh. Don't glorify the achievements then. In this particular article, this dude ,compares Pura Cup to Ranji trophy! what a joke. In Ranji trophy the dead enders at no.11 happen to score double hunderd from time to time. 800-900 are not uncommon totals. To say that no one from BD team can't even bring the drinks for a ranji trophy side is utter non-sense. He is dillusional in comparing Pura Cup with Ranji. Shows his blind bias.

You are the one who is delusional if you think the author is comparing The Ranji with the Pura Cup (Reading your post, i dont think you have a clue about Indian domestic cricket either)
The author specifically states; "a top notch Ranji outfit", ie; Mumbai, Delhi or TN - and that is an accurate statement, because apart from Bashar and Rafiq, i dont think any Bangla cricketer could find a place in the top Ranji teams.
As for the media's criticism, perhaps you should have a read about what they have to say about India and compare it with what our newspapers write - they are fundamentally different. Cricinfo is a source for critical analysis - they simply say tell it like it is, in a somehwat negative, but accurate, context.
I dare you to find me one non-Bangla media source that portrays the Bangla test team in a positive light and doesnt criticize them. When the team isnt playing as well as they are expected to (like Bangladesh), criticism is inevitable - the media calls it like they see it. What do you expect them to say? Heap praise on the Bangla cricketers for not conceding 600 runs in a match or not being bowled out for less than 100?

Edited on, December 17, 2004, 7:03 PM GMT, by indiaman007.

[DJ Sahastra]

The thing is, most articles on the after-math of a test or a day's play are impulsive.

To those who read articles after India loses a match will run for a gasp of breath. It is made to appear that Indain team is in doldrums and needs some mmediate remedy.

I personally believe that articles should be more lenient when covering BD for a simple reason that BD need all the sympathy that they need. But at the same time, allegations like Indian writers have anti-Bangladesh bias is a crap-talk.

Whipping for non-perforamnce is business as usual on cricinfo and other news media. No point in getting worked up.

[Beamer]

So, you are the mouth piece for this writer? Paid or non-paid? non-paid I assume. So, pointing out something about these writers equals to what personal attack from you? Its one thing for you to support your players, which is completely understandable, but quite another if you can't stand criticsm of your wrietrs and some media people. I was criticising his write-ups and you come call me dillusional. I don't think I called you that. Anyway, if you have problem with understanding the difference, thats your loss, not mine. I am entitled to my opinion. So, are you. Just don't come calling me names. Comprendo.

And Yes, mentinong Pura Cup in the same breath with Ranji Trophy is a crime by itself. He may try to do so but not fooling anyone who has minimum cricket knowledge.

I am glad you know how to read Bangla as the bangla media is more critical of the team than their English counterparts.

[indiaman007]

Originally posted by Beamer
So, you are the mouth piece for this writer? Paid or non-paid? non-paid I assume. So, pointing out something about these writers equals to what personal attack from you? Its one thing for you to support your players, which is completely understandable, but quite another if you can't stand criticsm of your wrietrs and some media people. I was criticising his write-ups and you come call me dillusional. I don't think I called you that. Anyway, if you have problem with understanding the difference, thats your loss, not mine. I am entitled to my opinion. So, are you. Just don't come calling me names. Comprendo.

And Yes, mentinong Pura Cup in the same breath with Ranji Trophy is a crime by itself. He may try to do so but not fooling anyone who has minimum cricket knowledge.

I am glad you know how to read Bangla as the bangla media is more critical of the team than their English counterparts.

Mouthpiece? Personal attack? good one...:lol:

I was simply pointing out that you didnt read the article properly (or at all) - hence, i kindly specified the author's correct wording in order to enable you to understand what message he was trying to convey. Initially, you had totally mis interpreted what he was trying to say and went off on a completely different tangent talking about why you think the Ranji isnt comparable to the PURA cup, whereas the author hadnt said anyting of the sort. :D

and btw, it's "comprende" ;)

[Beamer]

delusional!!:duh:

[indiaman007]

Originally posted by Beamer
delusional!!:duh:

Run out of arguments? No witty riposte?
Thats fine, i dont blame you, you didnt have much of a chance before either...;)

I'll be receiving my check in the mail from Mr. Dileep tomorrow...:up: :lol:

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by Beamer
But it is also true that a lot of Indian writers of Indian origin in Cricinfo and other medias are overly critical of everything associated with Bangladesh and Bangladesh cricket.
Not saying that non-Indians aren't, but for some reason the tone in their( inidan writers ) articles are a bit more attacking than others.


Why don't you understand Bangladesh cricket has not improved in the last 4 years? Besides, Indian media is quite unforgiving torwards its own players more than anyone else. You probably never read the kind of comments our captains have to take when they lose a game. World cup 2003 league game against Aussies come to my mind immediately. You probably never saw the criticism Sachin Saurav, Dravid, Azhar, Kumble Srinath etc have taken.


Originally posted by Beamer
It seems like they never seem to pass an oppurtunity to dis us whenever it presents themselves. The constant negative adjectives attributed to our players sometimes go beyond journalistic integrities. Lack of talent, quality of competition, lack of infrastucture...


Which of these is an invalid remark, may I ask? Best way to silence the critics is to perform. You should either ignore it or perform better. There is little point complaining about criticism.

... Zaheer Khan of India has a dozen ducks in tests. He comes and scores 75 runs. You should know what that means.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
I personally believe that articles should be more lenient when covering BD for a simple reason that BD need all the sympathy that they need.


This is not going to happen. It is free speech. People will show no mercy just like Aussie cricketers don't show any mercy to their opponents.

Indian English languagemedia is known to use its free speech to hilt. It is not limited to sports. Their criticism of some political parties are about the same. If what they say is blatantly wrong then you got to sue them. If not ignore them. Don't read them. I follow the same policy.

[Beamer]

You guys are missing the point. No one disagrees about our lack of progress. Our media rips them apart at all times. We will get what we deserve. But this is my view and many in this forum about some of the cricinfo writers ( Indian ) fun-filled, sometimes sick , unwarranted and unnecessary criticism that can be avoided for the sake of professionalism. You can be objective without being patronising. In any case, like you said, if we play well, it will take care of things.

Indiaman007
Nuh..I was never into arguements with you. It just struck me how you stood up for this guy. How can I get into an arguement with someone who didn't understand what I was saying to begin with? So, no arguement with you. With Dileep, your boss, maybe. Not you. Cash your check of 30 rupees for job well done.

[rafiq]

Only the weak complain about criticism. The strong work hard to change their performance. The lazy sit around and argue on the internet. It's a game people, not war.

[Fazal]

So we are all lazy.

Ok its Exercise time :fire::fire::fire:

[chinaman]

The writer Dileep Premachandran is a member of this site and goes by the nick WisdenVoice. He is a very respected person and has tremendous personal feelings for Bangladesh Cricket.

At times he tries to wake the Bangladeshi officials and players up by hiting them hard. We feel the pain though but hey he has his way.

I'm sure he would read this thread and might stop by for a post or two.

If you guys like to disagree with his view, please feel free to do with your points and explanations.

Please let the "Indian" part out of it. Journalists have their right to express, wheather they are from India or England, just as the readers have theirs to reject it.

[deshpremi]

Hey c'mon all you BD fans out there, why are you all getting so worked up and emotional about the comments made by these Indian writer and their fans.
I think that they are right for lambasting our performances so far against them,
after all, it is ONLY INDIA that we are playing and not the likes of the Australians or the England team.
so the criticism is desrved because we should not be so outclassed against these Indians.....regardless of how bad we are.
So until we our players start to earn their dough, let people criticise us to their hearts content (so long as they do it in a civilised manner) Who knows, maybe we need a little more of these kinds of scathing remarks to instill a little fire and resolve in to our players hearts and minds co's that is the only way to shut them up.
BTW ..... can anyone please tell me how many draws India had managed in the first 5/6 years of their introduction to test cricket.

[ZunaidH]

Originally posted by rafiq
Only the weak complain about criticism. The strong work hard to change their performance. The lazy sit around and argue on the internet. It's a game people, not war.

That is a very correct statement. Lets hope that Habibul Bashar and his men are reading some of these.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by deshpremi
BTW ..... can anyone please tell me how many draws India had managed in the first 5/6 years of their introduction to test cricket.

First 3 years the managed 2 draws and lost 4. They played only 6 tests by then. After than for nearly 10 years cricket was not played due to world war. When cricket resumed they drew a bunch. India didn't win any for first 24 games. but they drew 12. They won the 25th game.

New Zealand didn't win anything for 44 games. They managed a lot of draws.

BD has played 34 so far.

Originally posted by deshpremi
I think that they are right for lambasting our performances so far against them, after all, it is ONLY INDIA that we are playing and not the likes of the Australians or the England team. so the criticism is desrved because we should not be so outclassed against these Indians.....regardless of how bad we are.


I am a little amused by this comment. India is ranked 3rd behind Aus and England as per ICC ranking. England is only one point ahead of India. So if India wins at Chittagong, India will be ranked #2. Aussies are in a different leaguge. Way ahead of the rest. Only side to have given some trouble if any to Aus are Indians. Most sides are used to losing all games of a series to Aus. England has done exceptionally poorly against Aus for over a decade.

[indiaman007]

Originally posted by Beamer
Indiaman007
Nuh..I was never into arguements with you. It just struck me how you stood up for this guy. How can I get into an arguement with someone who didn't understand what I was saying to begin with? So, no arguement with you. With Dileep, your boss, maybe. Not you. Cash your check of 30 rupees for job well done.

Yes, it's best to quit while you are losing - much easier to save face that way. I am sure you were aware of that...:lol:

BTW, that check was Rs.5000 - approx 7000 Bangla taka...:P

[indiaman007]

Originally posted by Ganesh
Originally posted by deshpremi
BTW ..... can anyone please tell me how many draws India had managed in the first 5/6 years of their introduction to test cricket.

First 3 years the managed 2 draws and lost 4. They played only 6 tests by then. After than for nearly 10 years cricket was not played due to world war. When cricket resumed they drew a bunch. India didn't win any for first 24 games. but they drew 12. They won the 25th game.


Dont forget - cricket is played FAR more frequently now than it was back in the '50's or '60's. On average, a team will play 3/4 series in a season - back then, teams played at most, 2 series per year. Massive difference...

[rafiq]

Originally posted by indiaman007


Dont forget - cricket is played FAR more frequently now than it was back in the '50's or '60's. On average, a team will play 3/4 series in a season - back then, teams played at most, 2 series per year. Massive difference...

that is true and it actually works against Bangladesh. Because of the more frequent matches we have to play, the team does not have much time to recover and retool themselves before the next series. One loss after another in a short amount of time ends up being a downward spiral. The comparison with other teams early in their test status should not be limited to when they first won or how many they drew, but also in what timeframe. If Bangladesh played this many games over 10-15 years, their performance would likely be better. But that, along with this whole comarative argument, is neither here nor there. The Bangladesh team deserves criticism, but the comparisons are not accurate science.

[indiaman007]

Well said, Rafiq. Which is why, the need for an 'A' team or a competitive domestic league set up is required, that enables the management to explore their options, and produce better cricketers in the process. Then and only then, will Bangladesh cricket progress in the right direction. In a country of a 150 million cricket lovers, there will always be lots of talent available, and this first class system will ensure that the talent doesnt go to waste.

Comparisions with other teams from other eras are odious, to say the least. Cricket has changed a lot since the 60's or the 80's - so its unfair and illogical to justify Bangla's test status by mentioning the records of other teams, who as we all know - had a far better record than Bangladesh did when they had played just as many test matches.

[rafiq]

indiaman007 i don't know if i agree with your interpretation of what I said earlier. you say other teams had a far better record after same # of matches played - yes they did. But what I am saying is add the timeframe element to the equation. Had we played those #matches in the longer timeframe (as did India, NZ, etc), then we would have had better performances, perhaps more chances at draws and wins.

So rather than use comparitive arguments to justify BD's test inclusion, I am saying don't use them to justify BD's test exclusion either. In other words, move on to other arguments.

[AGC]

Originally posted by SS
Could you please leave us alone. Thanks for your advices and all suports. We will take care of our own system, please leave us alone. We will criticize us, we will praise us, we will get enjoyment with one wicket or 50 run from our batsman, it's our team, our right, our feeling...please don't interfere..we are happy with what we have, we didn't ask for any comments from you guys
Thank you.

I agree with SS here. We don't need to hear you dissing the BD team here, we aren't blind. We know they are performing badly. You guys sitting in front of your pc and putting down the BD team isn't helping anyone. May I ask what kind of "kick" you guys get out of putting down your neighbours?
You are just wasting your time or maybe you just don't have anything better to do.....
Anyway, its just a game! Keep your superiority complex in your own boards. Thanks.

[DJ Sahastra]

Rafiq,

A proper comparison for Bangladesh progress is how it has fared in comparison to SL and Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe is a recent entrant like BD and should be the ebnchmark for it's progress indicator.

Comparing what happend with the Indian team in pre-50s era is a futile exercise. When you have 10 years gap between matches, it is as good as debuting again.

[DJ Sahastra]

AGC,

I agree with you.

There is no need to diss BD team here or anywhere. Critical analysis is different from snubbing and rubbing the nose in dirt.

Those who can't differentiate between what qualifies as a constructive criticism and what is a derogatory remark, should refrain from needless remarks.

[reverse_swing]

I think as a nation we never want to hear any constructive criticism from outsiders. This thread is a perfect example for that.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by reverse_swing
I think as a nation we never want to hear any constructive criticism from outsiders. This thread is a perfect example for that.

This is true with almost every nation actually. But, over the years Indian cricket fans have learnt to take criticism and in fact have become the worst critics of their team.

[Ganesh]

Originally posted by rafiq
Because of the more frequent matches we have to play, the team does not have much time to recover and retool themselves before the next series.

More importantly cricket has become more merciless lately. This is probably the Aussie effect. I think Bangladesh should play 1 test series a year and 2 A team tours for next 4 years. Once those A team guys of other teams graduate to their test teams, Bangladesh will be more confident taking on familiar players. Sadly, taking and dumping young side in the deep end when cricket teams have become unforgiving is not helping BD.

[al Furqaan]

that guy premachandran on his cricinfo verdict...called BD the "ugly sister"

i wanna see you indians try and justify that as honest journalism. thats a cheap shot. like makin fun of pathan cuz of his jheri curl, bhajji and the pagri he wears on his head, or something like that.

bottom line is the indian journalists dont have any class. even that elitist punk, ganguly, admitted BD need more time.

and all you [], who talk about all the draws the other countries got, they played like 1 maybe 2 matches a year. in 20 years they woulda gone thru at least 2 generations of players. BD are currently in their first generation of test players. so shut ur mouths and enjoy ur innings win. bunch of sore winners

Edited on, December 18, 2004, 9:33 PM GMT, by pompous.
Reason: please lets be civil and respectful. Attack the message not the messenger! thank you.

[AGC]

Have you realised how most of our indian friends are quiet today after a better performance by BD? The amount of their posts today just shows everything very clearly....

[reverse_swing]

Originally posted by AGC
Have you realised how most of our indian friends are quiet today after a better performance by BD? The amount of their posts today just shows everything very clearly....

spot on AGC but if u remember those WI friends during that WI tour then compared to that this time only few indians joined this forum.

[AGC]

Yup true reverse_swing..... at least those WI friends were slightly entertaining... hehe.

[DJ Sahastra]

"Have you realised how most of our indian friends are quiet today after a better performance by BD? The amount of their posts today just shows everything very clearly.... "

The Indian team hasn't really done so badly to quieten the Indians up.

If most of them are quiet, it's because there were only a few ones who made all the noises, and they are missing.

[AGC]

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
If most of them are quiet, it's because there were only a few ones who made all the noises, and they are missing.

?
lol

[James90]

Dileep is a very good writer and don't get so upset about this remark because it's probably ture

Apart from Bashar, Ashraful and Mashrafe the rest of the Bangladeshi's would fail to carry the drinks in a Pura Cup game

Sean Ervine hasn't reached that yet and he has a ODI century to his name