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sheshprohor
January 4, 2003, 11:52 AM
Hi to all,

I was an active perticipent for about some times back in 2000. I am back again....and greetings from me for the new year.

About BD team, One relevant issue is our 5th bowler. We are excited about the performances from our Bats.. but keep in mind that Batsman will play freely when the burden is less (specially if we bat 2nd). In the last series with WI we faced the same prob, eventhough tapash and manju kept the run tight....after 35 overs there was always a sudden increase of runrate (sometimes 10 runs/over??). SO to my opinion...kowshik, talha do the opening. maonju,Tapash the 3rd & 4th and we may need sujon/rafiq.

You all are on behalf of playing more batsman. But history showed us that it didn't make any good. In the last series we almost played with 10 batsman and we didn't even cross 250 marks.So...:)

Anyway, My thinking is as follows:

1. Hannan
2. Al shahriar
3. Ashraful
4. Habibul
5. Alok Kapali
6. Pilot
7. Rafiq/Sujon
8. Tapash
9. Monju
10.Talha
11.kowshik

If the bowlers can do well (in the bouncy pitch of SA) then i think 6 specialist Batsman and One alrounder can achieve success.

Prohor

DOORBIN
January 4, 2003, 02:28 PM
We have been discussing about the batsmen as we started ALOCHONA from one end, but that doesn't mean, bowlers are being ignored... NOT AT ALL.

As a matter of fact batting, bowling and fielding --- all 3 aspects are equally improtant.

However, in the Bangladeshi context, as we don't much much experience in the internation arena, I guess batting is just a little bit more important and needs a little EXTRA ATTENTION.

If fielding is 100% perfect and the batting line up is strong, we have very little to worry about.

By the way, talking about Bangladeshi bowlers, what happened to Shafiuddin Ahmed?

I thought he was quite effective. Why is he missing?

Pundit
January 4, 2003, 02:53 PM
Doorbin, you really have been out for a while ??

Had you seen MASRI, Talha, Tapash, and Manju, you'ld not have missed Shafi-Babu at all. What was it that the commentators had once called him - a trundler ?

rafiq
January 4, 2003, 04:01 PM
that's funny, "trundler"!

hey sheshprohor, i have been advocating a 4 pacer attack in this world cup. if that is what happens, then on your 7 slot, i am not sure yet which direction we should go. here are the options:

a. sujon - a 5th medium pacer, a usefal bat and good leader

b. rafiq - front line spinner, but could alok and ashraful bowl 10 overs of effective spin between them?

c. sanwar - middle order bat, should score more that a duck, and actually a useful spinner who should be used more.

i think if we go with 4 pacers we should pick sanwar for the slot in question because he bats and between him, ash, and kapali we can replace rafiq (or can we?)

if we are more traditional and go with 3 pacers, then the slot should still go to sanwar, with the extra bowlers slot going to sujon. if we have reason to think that rafiq will do really well, then i guess you have to include him instead of sujon, but i think sanwar/kapali/ash should be sufficient. so here are the 2 lineups i like, both of them allow 6 specialist batsmen and plenty of bowlers for 50 overs (I hope the 4 pacer attack is at least tried in namibia):

4-pacer, 3-spinner:
hannan
rokon
ash
bashar
kapali (he needs to come up the order)
sanwar
pilot
tapash
talha
masri
manju

3-pacer:
hannan
rokon
ash
bashar
kapali
sanwar
sujon/rafiq
pilot
talha/tapash
masri
manju

Zobair
January 4, 2003, 04:34 PM
I certainly advocate 4-pace attack....nothing like it really...it will start a real good tradition for the future of the team...that is a team with emphasis on power and pace...a real team of TIGERS...If our current 'quartet' can bowl together for the next 2 years of so...we will have quite a respectable pace department given that all of them have already been widely recognised as full of promise!

I am definitely not in favour of packing the team with batsmen...just sends the wrong signal to the batsmen...and the poor bowlers end up picking the slack anyways...both the batting department and bowling department should get equal support...this will also increase the competitiveness of the batsmen once they realise that there are fewer spots on the team...
On a bright note, Bangladesh will probably have a good crop of fast bowlers in the future given the fact that the pacers have been the real heros for our country for a while :)

DOORBIN
January 4, 2003, 06:44 PM
Yes Pundit, can't argue with you too much, yes, I have been out of touch for some time. I have read a bit here and there and heard a bit about Masri, Talha, Tapash and Manju, but unfortunately, have n't had a chance to see them in action.

However, in the meantime, I have thoroughly analaysed AUSTRALIAN CRICKET and moderately analysed ENGLAND, SRI LANKA and PAKISTAN teams.

That's why WORLD CUP 2003 is so important to me, a wonderful opportunity to get myself updated with Bangladesh cricket.

If these 4 bowlers are better pacers than Shafiuddin Ahmed, I must admit (with my managerial skills) that Bangladeshi pace bowling has really really improved in quality.

Bangladeshi pacers are not like average pacers of other countries. Other than speed, they are intelligent bowlers. They swing the balls and analyse the batsmens' strengths and weaknesses as time goes on....

Bangladeshi cricket can not be underestimated. Yes, we have a lot of potential in cricket. At least in this one sport. CRICKET.

NOW, I AM MORE EXCITED THAN EVER!!!!

rafiq
January 5, 2003, 03:22 AM
Doorbin, hate to put a dent in your excitement after a long absence from BD cricket. Yes these pacers are faster and take more international wickets than the likes of shafiuddin (he was pretty decent then). But before we can be "fearsome", I am afraid there is a long way to go. Our current attack is actually "ordinary" by most accounts, but nevertheless "much better" than our own previous standards.

But we are excited because the pacers are young and get better with each match. And of course a lot hinges on the fitness of Mashrafee, the only one amongst the 4 who, when fit, comes close to "fearsome". Many others are waiting in the wings, eg mohammad sharif, tariq aziz, shafaq al zabir, let's hope all of them become fearsome soon.

DOORBIN
January 5, 2003, 01:14 PM
With encouragement and support, we will make them play better.

I have always been optimistic with Bangladeshi cricketers.

Apart from encouragement, another factor is very important. The MONEY factor.

Is there the right environment for professional cricket ? ALSO, how good is the cricket infrastructure ?

Nasif
January 5, 2003, 10:39 PM
Doorbin:
<---Take a look on the left you will see all four in action. Talha, Tapash, Monju and Masri. These are our Lethal Weapon.

DOORBIN
January 6, 2003, 07:05 AM
Nasif,

Thanks for publishing those photos. Looks great !

Please clarify -- is it Talha, Tapash, Monju and Masri from the top left, clockwise ?

Just for us, who have been living overseas and a bit out of touch --

Thanks again

fwullah
January 6, 2003, 07:30 AM
The bottom left is Monju (left arm pacer, coming around the wicket - around the umpire).

The bottom right is Mashrafe (overjoyos after taking a wicket.

DOORBIN
January 8, 2003, 04:13 AM
THANK YOU.