I have doubt about Mashrafes potential

[Yafi]

If Hondo can take six wickets why Mashrafe couldnt take few? after seeing last test and the first innings I think we overlooked his potential. he is far away from a world class first bowler.

[Mahmood]

Wait till he bowls on a fast wicket and proves you wrong. If needed, look up his performence in Australia.

[rassel]

Man I have to take extra doses of Zoloft from now on. :drool:

[fwullah]

I disagree with both Yafi and Rajputro; not because I disagree with your ' assuming potential of Mashrafee' but because both Tapash and Mashrafee are bowling way too short, particularly in this 2nd test match.

[Yafi]

Hondo!! he didnt need any wicket excuse! I cant take it as an excuse we always give them extra to make us feel like we are world class, dont we?

[Mahmood]

You cant take take 2 pacers and compare them same on each wicket. Every player is different. Just because Enamul got more wicket than Rafiq on this match does not make Enamul a better bowler or Rafiq a bad player.

Have some patience, give time and watch the players prove themselves to you rather than you trying to base a player on a match or series.

[mahbubH]

O M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Hondo : 204.4 36 678 15 45.20 3-49 0 0 81.8 3.31
Mashree: 429.4 99 1332 39 34.15 4-60 0 0 66.1 3.10


Stat (before this test) do not show Hondo is better than Mashree ..... I think you are infering too much from the performance of one test.

[Yafi]

No I am not saying based on one innings or two. if you see the game zim batters are playing well against him. and you said time.. when srilanka was icc champion we were runner up looking back isn't it enough time!!

[islam]

HEs got 2 wickets now...

[habfreak]

Keep in mind that Mashrafe and Tapash have Rafiq and Enam to compete with for wickets. And Hondo.....you might well be his only fan!

[Mahmood]

Originally posted by Yafi
No I am not saying based on one innings or two. if you see the game zim batters are playing well against him. and you said time.. when srilanka was icc champion we were runner up looking back isn't it enough time!!

And Masrafi was playing back then??? :duh:

I am lost on how you have given him enough time...

[Yafi]

sports_fan_bd tnks for your stats. my point was even though it is zim this team is behind then bd in every department and expr as wel on top we are in home their pos shd be like bd when playing against aussi. instead we let them become in form where other world class team shown us cricket is not a easy way out.

[Yafi]

Originally posted by Yafi
sports_fan_bd tnks for your stats. my point was even though it is zim this team is behind then bd in every department and expr as wel on top we are in home their pos shd be like bd when playing against aussi. instead we let them become in form where other world class team shown us cricket is not a easy way out.

I thought you were saying about "players".

[Yafi]

Rajputro I am not saying he is a crap bowler. but i am against any kind of comparison with Gmcgrath or nick named "Norail express" at this stage of his career he needs to prove a lot before we put him to such a high possition.

[Spitfire_x86]

Mashree already took 3 wickets by bowling only 7-8 overs in the second innings.

Great answer for ppl who doubt about his capability. :great:

[shovon13]

dont judge a bowler based on only one match or something. he got 5 wickets on the last test match. and in the second inning of this test...he just picked up his 3rd wicket.

masri is a blessing to our cricket. i think verdicts from guys like wasim akram and sachin tendulkar should be enough to convince us

[rassel]

Yafi it was really wrong time to start this thread.
:P why couldn't you wait a little longer:embaressed:

[reinausagi]

Rajputro I am not saying he is a crap bowler.


I'll say he is a crap bowler. He's craping all over the ZIM batsmen right now.

[Yafi]

But am glad to be at this situation

[shaoun]

masrafee is not a world class bowler. atleast not yet, inshallah he will be someday very soon. but he is our best bowler. and i think he is alot better bowler then hondo. i even think taposh is better bowler then hondo.

[Nasif]

He just got three in 2nd innings, and he isn't done yet. Who says he is not good bowler.

[Beamer]

[quote]Originally posted by Yafi
If Hondo can take six wickets why Mashrafe couldnt take few? after seeing last test and the first innings I think we overlooked his potential. he is far away from a world class first bowler.

Doubt his potential??

what planet are you from??

[sham1980]

may mash heard the critism

[fwullah]

*Mashrafee is still not a world class bowler because if he was, then he would have been an owner of a few 5-fors, especially against Zimbabwe

*The craze with Mashrafee - there was this same craze with Hasibul Hossain Shanto once, and now look at Shanto

*Even after missing a few years in his life through injury, Mashrafee is bowling at the same pace and bowling well, and a better bowler; if not the same bowler - an area in which some of our other pace bowlers are not getting used to (they are not just the same bowler after injury)

*He has improved his batting a lot recently

*He has a good inswinger through which he gets batsman out lbw, or at least tries to get batsman out with his inswingers

*He is still not as experienced as his partner Tapash Baisya; he hasn't learnt to bowl effectively with the slower balls, block hole balls, etc.



Every bowler of Bangladesh, including Mashrafee is bowling badly in this 2nd test match, compared to their bowling in the first test match

[Ahmed_B]

Yafi: Yet another thread for "torker khatire torko..!!"
(as anohter one on Pilot just yesterday-Translation:Arguement for arguement's sake..!)

My response: No comments!

[AsifEminem]

mashrafee doesnt bowl against batsmen who give away their wickets. hondo got more wickets cos bd batsmen gave away their wickets.

mashrafee is till the better between them


SHABBA!!

[shujan]

By the end of this thread. Only Bone will be left of Yafi.:E

Edited on, January 16, 2005, 11:12 AM GMT, by shujan.

[chinaman]

Originally posted by fwullah
*Mashrafee is still not a world class bowler because if he was, then he would have been an owner of a few 5-fors, especially against Zimbabwe ....

Every bowler of Bangladesh, including Mashrafee is bowling badly in this 2nd test match, compared to their bowling in the first test match

I don't know the definition of a "world class bowler" but any bowler who regularly keeps the batsmen on their toes is in my opinion a very good bowler, call it as you wish, world class or deshi class.

Getting wicket is a little tricky and perhaps is a part of the ploy and more often than not is a team effort. While a good bowler maintains pressure, batsmen go after the other bowlers and end up giving wickets to those other bowlers. Stats do not tell the whole story always.

About bowling badly in this 2nd test match, how bad really was Rafique and Enam? Pretty bad, huh?

When opposing batsmen stage excellent performance, there is no point in calling our bowlers names. We got to give credit where it is due, to batsmen for good batting and to bowlers for good bowling.

A bowler doesn't have to be bad for a batsman to shine. A good batsman will explore all possible avenues just as the bowler would. When Shachin or Lara score tons against the likes of Murali, Warne or Mcgrath or vice versa, can we call any of them bad performer?

Besides, all great performers have bad days but they are still great.

[Flip Master Mick]

I have to agree with Chinaman here...

And also I don't see the significance of this post. I know everybody is extremely disappointed after the batting debacle but that doesn't give us the right to bludgeon our players who deliver more often than not.

Mashrafee has immense potential. He is still very new and still very young. In most of the 16 tests he played he had the rare luck to bowl only on one inning. The reason for that is not a secret on this forum. I must also add that he has been rather unlucky at getting wickets. Well, we could thank the Ashrafuls and the Habibuls caught napping at slip for this misfortune. That does wonders for a bowler's motivation, doesn't it?

Mashrafee is essentially a new ball bowler. And he is pretty good at it too. He has the capacity to bowl in both directions. One cannot expect him to perform on a dust bowl where he has already bowled 87 overs in two tests and maybe another 10 to go tomorrow. To all the doubters - if you want him to come up with Mcgrath-like-figures make pitches that cater to his bowling style; if you want him to perform day-in-day-out on dust bowls send him to Pakistan to learn the art of reverse swing. I suspect even that doesn't work anymore considering the current apathy among Pakistani bowlers.

I don't necessarily like to use "world class" maybe because of the incessant use of the aforementioned by our beloved subcontinental commentators for the lack of having a vocabulary. But Mashrafee Murtuza is our only pacer of test caliber. It was pointed out earlier that he doesn't have any 5-fors. Well, if he was as fortunate as the Hondos and the Pathans to bulldoze the Ashrafuls and the Habibuls, trust me he would have had a few of those.

[Ibrahim]

Originally posted by Yafi
If Hondo can take six wickets why Mashrafe couldnt take few?

Honda(o) got 6 wkts because BD players just gave them up themself, for sure it was not for Honda.

[sunniath]

Very poor cricket sense. Judging players by one match is bull.......Mark Taylor is lucky to be an Aussie. Otherwise, we would have probably banished him from our country during his lean patch. There is a very big line between class and form. If you guys can't even see that line than stop following Cricket.:down:

[Special 1]

Masri has slowed down since his injury. He is far from being a world class bowler. He has to realize that and i am sure after this series, once he gets some time off, he will work on finetuning his capabilities. If he did not get injured surely he would have been a threat

[bdboy]

Originally posted by Yafi
If Hondo can take six wickets why Mashrafe couldnt take few? after seeing last test and the first innings I think we overlooked his potential. he is far away from a world class first bowler.

Patience always has been a great problem for bangladeshi players. akon tu mone hoi aita supporter der moddeo dekha deiche............lol

Man!!! it is too early to judge him yet. isn't it?

[Bat-PadTogether]

Really it surprises me a lot when we critizise a individual when ever we are in the back seat.Its was Mash who brought us back in the Test just after lunch on day 3.What happened then!!2"T"(Taibu/Taylor) really played well.Bashar wanted too much from Mashrafee.He should have brought Ash or Rajin or even Aftab for couple of overs,but when Ash came it was too late.Dont forget that Mashrafee is back after a long knee injury.Hondo bowled well it doesn;t mean that Mash sucks!!!Who said Masrafee is a world class bowler???

[CTazim]

I really hope our cricketers have not written off the second test as have the fans and foes in this forum.

The game ain't over until its over!


;)