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mij
January 20, 2005, 08:49 AM
who Have ask Alok to play this games???

How many more times we need to see him play like a kid and get out.

I want to see him out..... NO MORE Alok..................

Fazal
January 20, 2005, 08:54 AM
And people raise the standard when Rokon's name comes as an alternative.

When this kind of whimsical decision continues, so will be the continuation of BD misery.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 09:50 AM
alok is still not fit for a come back. this was a very wrong decision. we could, and should have played rana. he would either contain the flow of runs for the opposition, or score some for us, or do both.

ever since we won the test series, we've been taking things easy. everyone's become arrogant. however, we forgot the fact that we are a hopeless ODI team, and that days like the 2nd odi against india don't come everyday.

the first odi should have been won. now they have the psychological advantage. we are behind. besides, i don't understand the point of playing someone in the national team if he's not even fit enough to play an odi two days after a test match, no matter how good he is.

this was a very unprofessional display from our cricketers and selectors - shows we still have a long way to go, and how arrogant we can become once we start winning. even australia wouldn't make a similar mistake.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 09:51 AM
the attitude has to change and it has to change immediately.

cricket_pagol
January 20, 2005, 09:52 AM
I would wait a couple of games before making a judgement on Alok Kapali

reverse_swing
January 20, 2005, 09:55 AM
yup it's too early to give verdict about Alok.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 09:56 AM
well what has he done to come back in the first place? what has he done to replace rana?

Mr-khan
January 20, 2005, 09:58 AM
Hay re Alok..Tui naki Asia11 a khelos...tor ae nomuna.

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 2:58 PM GMT, by mr-khan.

allrounder
January 20, 2005, 10:04 AM
haha, you think having Rana would have changed the outcome of the match?

how come taposh only bowled 6 overs and nazmul only 7 overs? Looks like some poor bowling decision by Bashar.

Also with the bat, Bashar and Ashraful did not set the right tone for chasing 251. Aftab, Pilot failed and Alok got the pressure of both scoring and staying at the crease on the first international match. He failed, but he cannot be the only one to be pointed or have our anger dumped for losing this match. The big bulk goes to Bashar, Ashraful and Aftab.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:07 AM
the big bulk goes to our selectors and all the players for their disgusting attitude since having won the test series.

mahbubH
January 20, 2005, 10:23 AM
Rana over ALok ... where were you guys in last few days ... allrounder over batsman!!

shaoun
January 20, 2005, 10:25 AM
alok should be dropped from the national team until he goes back to domestic cricket and proves himself. he has done nothing to comeback in the national team in the first place. he hasnt performed since pakistan tour which was in 2003. i dont understand why selecters keeps choseing him. he should be sent with the a-team. i understand alok has the talent but he needs to get his form back and keep giving him chances in national team is not the way. i think it will be good for his confident and career if he keeps out of the national team not to mention that it will be good for our team. if he has the talent then he will be back but for now he needs to stay out.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:27 AM
i was always for playing rana in the team. he'll do it either with the bat or the ball. and besides, his recent performances with the bat are better than kapali's.

i don't understand why they leave rana out even though he proves himself so many times. mushfique gadhatare khelanor shomoy to baadhe nai - rana is a much better allrounder than him.

mij
January 20, 2005, 12:26 PM
I do agree with most of you. Alok done nothing for past few years, we are still picking alok, and he fails game after game.

This chance could of been give to other player. who did not do well, and got out of the team...

I just hope no more alok until he prove that he can be world class player...

until then Good Bye Alok...............

Zephaniah
January 20, 2005, 01:54 PM
I guess Razzak Raz just lost his magic touch after long lay off. For 2nd ODI I'd take Rana in for Razzak and if Mashrafee is fully fit and able to play then would axe either Nazmul or Mahmood. Ok, this one is difficult. But we need to find right balace of the team. I think both Aftab and Alok will get first three matches. If they fail to perform next 2 matches then we might be seeing Al-Shahrier again in the last 2 ODIs. Obviously Rafique will be back for 4th and 5th ODis.

aftitabi
January 20, 2005, 02:44 PM
Rokon over Alok

Sham
January 20, 2005, 03:37 PM
actually did go back to domestic cricket and performed and he is back in the side on the back of his successful domestic season. also, did he bowl badly today? Unless the scoreboard is playing tricks with my eyes, he was our most economical bowler today, and he did it over a full quota of ten overs. Not bad in my book.

Anyway, he failed with the bat and I am just as frustrated with him as everyone else here. But lets not get carried away! He is just making his way back to the side and he atleast deserves a couple, if not three chances to prove himself.

Beamer
January 20, 2005, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
well what has he done to come back in the first place? what has he done to replace rana?

He got a recall after doing pretty good in the premium league.

Why do some people fail to understand that Alok is not replacing Rana. Chacha is. Alok bats at no.6, a batsmans spot. If Alok doesn't play, only Mashud can move up at no.6. Not Rana. Not at a vital batting spot like no.6. Actually I can live with Rana coming to open, if he must, no way at no.6. Not with his skill level. We are never gonna play with two half-decent all rounders again. It was a temporary solution due to the injury of Mashrafee. Now with Masri back and enam establishing himself, we won't need the services of the likes off Rana, babu and hoping shujon in the near future. We can field four specialist bowlers. Six specialist batsman. Alok being the sixth ( his bowling is a big big plus)batsman.

Dhakablues
January 20, 2005, 03:58 PM
The reason Tapash and Nazum didnt complete their quota was due to the suspension threat by refree on Habibul for finishing in time.

AloK derserves another chance. Aftab may not. It was just an incident where everything clicked for Zimbabwe, winning the toss, mashrafee/Rafique injury, day light etc. it wont happen again in Chittagong.

Fazal
January 20, 2005, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
He got a recall after doing pretty good in the premium league.

Why do some people fail to understand that Alok is not replacing Rana. Chacha is. Alok bats at no.6, a batsmans spot.


That raised one interesting point. I am very much interested to see side by side comparison of Alok and Rokon's performance in the premium league. Rokon could have been a perfect fit in #6 (if selected) as a batsman.

I have a feeling that Rokon's performance was better than Alok's in the premium league.

Can anyone enlighten us with some facts?

Thanks in Advance.


Edited on, January 20, 2005, 9:02 PM GMT, by Fazal.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 04:03 PM
i am well aware of alok's performance in the league. however, that should not be enough for him or anyone else to get into the national team. this is one mistake our selectors always make - a 70+ score in our extremely low quality domestic league doesn't prove anything.

i had wanted alok out of the team and rana in. ok - maybe pilot would have been pushed up to number 6. in that case, rana could have played at 7. if chacha and mushfique can both be in the team, so can rana and chacha together. alok is unnecessarily occupying a space in the team. rana would not only add to our bowling line up but also to the batting.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 04:04 PM
therefore, alok is, indirectly, taking up rana's place in the team.

BD Tigers
January 20, 2005, 04:04 PM
Alok bowled really well. 10 overs 40 runs. economy rate 4.0 when the match rr was 5.1. Yes he failed with the bat. But I think he will come back fine. Since we are playing 2nd match in Chittagong, the spin attack will suite more than pace. So Alok will still play and Aftab will make place for Rana. And Masri and Enam will come for Nazmul & Raz.

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 9:05 PM GMT, by BD Tigers.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 04:06 PM
i dont think aftab will or should be kicked out

Sham
January 20, 2005, 05:11 PM
i have seen rana bowl and i can't for the life of me understand what is so special about him. he doesnt give the ball flight and he doesnt spin it either. i can understand his inclusion in the ODIs, because although he is the ugliest batsman i have seen (in strokeplay and not looks, before someone has a go at me about that comment), he does score crucial runs every now and then. but how can the selectors even contemplate taking him in a test side as a bowler i just don't understand. enam was always a million times better, so why didnt enam play against india rather than rana?

anyway, since this is about rana's inclusion in the ODI side, i'll get back on topic. rana is a useful cricketer at times. but with an eye to the future of bd cricket, we will be much better served hoping that Alok comes good, because he is a player of considerable talent, than to carry on with Rana, who is a mediocre player at best. rana will probably play in the next game and take five wickets just so that everyone can take me apart for what i just wrote, but that doesn't change anything. everyone has their day, and if rana does play in the national team in the next match, i hope he does well for the sake of our side. but i just don't think he is a future star in the making, but Alok just might be.

Zephaniah
January 20, 2005, 05:14 PM
Well, Rana should get in the 2nd ODI in place of Razzak raz. I guess bot alok and aftab will retain their places.

Flip Master Mick
January 20, 2005, 06:03 PM
if i was born with Alok Kapali's luck i would be playing for the national side too...;) scoring a few 50s in dhaka league doesn't give you free pass to the national side... the man was dropped for having run out of form... it also means he should be relegated to the A team and he should be given the opportunity to score agianst international teams during tour matches... if anything Tushar Imran and Al Shahriar Rokon should have been picked over him... when will our selectors ever learn? the love affair with Alok Kapali must end...

we forget that we are a better test team than a one day team... our batsmen are still not suited for the shorter version of the game... scoring ones and twos and rotating the strike hasn't sunk in with most of our batsmen... i am actually glad we lost the match so that Whatmore could go back to the drawing boards and give insight on what the players need to do... if tapash and khaled mahmud had carried us to the end all our flaws would have been swept under the rug...

we didnt't bowl well... our batsmen got out playing unncessary shots... we were missing a few key players and we lost the toss... our batsmen need to learn how to pace their innings... one day cricket is where you experiment so bring on the Imrans and the Rokons...

to all the Aftab doubters... it was only two matches ago that his valiant innings gave us the win against india... lest we forget... he should be dropped from the test side nonetheless...

to end i must say that CHACHA is our main man in the shorter verison of the game... kudos to the lone warrior...:bravo:

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 11:07 PM GMT, by Flip Master Mick.

reyme
January 20, 2005, 07:43 PM
flip master, awesome post!! you just saved my time by saying what i wanted to say! exactly! when some people blame the selectors, it is nothing irrational. kapali might have done okay in the premier league, but so did many others. but he did not do anything against full strenght foreighn team. well with this kopal he should start buying lottery tickets! anyway i would opt for shahriar or tushr imran over the current form of "Apurba Kopal"!

shujan
January 20, 2005, 07:59 PM
Leave him alone! He is like any other batsman of BD team.

AsifTheManRahman
January 21, 2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Sham
i have seen rana bowl and i can't for the life of me understand what is so special about him. he doesnt give the ball flight and he doesnt spin it either. i can understand his inclusion in the ODIs, because although he is the ugliest batsman i have seen (in strokeplay and not looks, before someone has a go at me about that comment), he does score crucial runs every now and then. but how can the selectors even contemplate taking him in a test side as a bowler i just don't understand. enam was always a million times better, so why didnt enam play against india rather than rana?

anyway, since this is about rana's inclusion in the ODI side, i'll get back on topic. rana is a useful cricketer at times. but with an eye to the future of bd cricket, we will be much better served hoping that Alok comes good, because he is a player of considerable talent, than to carry on with Rana, who is a mediocre player at best. rana will probably play in the next game and take five wickets just so that everyone can take me apart for what i just wrote, but that doesn't change anything. everyone has their day, and if rana does play in the national team in the next match, i hope he does well for the sake of our side. but i just don't think he is a future star in the making, but Alok just might be.

arey bhai saab we have too many talents to worry about the future anymore...this is not the year 1998 when we were dropping all the buiras in order to do well in the future. The way I see it is we have a huge amount of talent and we should just let them develop. With a superb coach in McInnes, the process can go on behind the scenes, and we should concentrate more on the present.