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cracky
January 20, 2005, 09:10 AM
A gift to Zimbawe from our selectors. Its ok that they have given rest Rafiq and Mortaza. But rest of the decission are all wrong.

#1. how they can include "out of form" kapali in a team which is already weak. They could take the risk some other day when there would have been Rafiq and Mortaza in the team.

#2. Enamul should have been include.

#3. All knows Zimbabwe is weak against spin. And yet selectors used only 1 spinner.

If they want to come back on the second match, I say make a bowling powered team, rather than a batting team. In addition to restricting opponents, bowlers scores more runs than our batsman.

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 2:40 PM GMT, by cracky.

Mahmood
January 20, 2005, 09:15 AM
Yeah, the selectors are to be blamed for this loss.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 09:40 AM
i feel like shooting the selectors through the chest

cracky
January 20, 2005, 09:42 AM
congratulations selectors. You got what you asked for. This was a golden chance for us to make our ODI ranking better, and you people waste that away.

shujan
January 20, 2005, 09:45 AM
India did the same mistake with us. This selectors are retarded. They have learning disability. Atahar and Faruq sux!

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 09:54 AM
amra india/pakistan na je amra 2 number team khelay jitte parbo...amra bangladesh - and the selectors and players forgot that.

i do get disappointed when bangladesh lose - but here was a match which we lost because we were on cloud 9 after winning the test series.

i am simply mad now

Ahmed_B
January 20, 2005, 10:00 AM
r u out of your mind?!?!
u r writing this after actually 'Watching' the game or just reading commentary??

u r blaming selectors for the way Nafees/Rajin/Bashar/Aftab/even Ash.. played and gave away their wickets??

when u r blaming the selectors.. u r actually blaming BD bowling for the match-loss!!!

it was more THE SHAMEFULL BATTING causing the defeat!!!:down:

rafiq
January 20, 2005, 10:02 AM
First of all, that was a great finish by Sujon and Tapash. Had it not been for the youthful exuberance of Nazmul, trying to run for a run without even looking at where the ball had gone, Tapash had a very decent chance to hit 23 of 2 overs. But the game was lost early in the day when most of the batsman got out gifting their wickets. But I think the ending itself is an improvement - a year ago they would have given up around the 45th over, and would have tried to last 50 overs instead of going for the win.

This 11 was the most suspect of all possibilities the selectors could have come up with. Nazmul, Rajjak are simply not experienced enough. Alok is actually back in form in domestic cricket, and at this point Aftab is not contributing with bat or ball. All the selectors could have done is played Rana instead of Alok from the 13 announced for the team. But I think Rana's bowling is pretty harmless, and who knows if he would have made a difference.

Enamul, on the other hand, should have played and the ZIm team must be wondering how stupid we are not to use him. I'd like to see both Enamul and Mashrafee return in the 2nd game; in the middle order the only thing they can do is bring in Rana but they may give Aftab/Alok one more try.

cricket_pagol
January 20, 2005, 10:04 AM
I would not blame the selectors too much...
#It was important for the selectors to give rest to masri and enamul. Enamul is still 18 so we should not over use him.
#kapali got a deserving chance after playing well in the domestic league... we should wait a couple of games before making a judgement on kapali's return to ODI cricket

we lost the game because
#of coupe of reckless shots at the top of the order were responsible for cheap wickets (even though few catches were dropped)
#Middle order did not play well as Aftab and Kapali got out cheaply (irresponsible shots as well)

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
r u out of your mind?!?!
u r writing this after actually 'Watching' the game or just reading commentary??

u r blaming selectors for the way Nafees/Rajin/Bashar/Aftab/even Ash.. played and gave away their wickets??

when u r blaming the selectors.. u r actually blaming BD bowling for the match-loss!!!

it was more THE SHAMEFULL BATTING causing the defeat!!!:down:

rana should have played instead of alok - addition to both batting and bowling

yes, the bowling is to blame as well

enamul shouldn't have been rested

was mashrafe unfit for this match?

rafiq
January 20, 2005, 10:08 AM
actually it was a competitive game. the series will probably end up 3-2, hopefully in bangladesh's favor. we need to win with whatever 11 are on the field on any given day - and all these players are capable. we just lost this one, that;s all - no need to pull your hair out over it. zimbabwe are on par with us as an odi team (ie both teams are pretty lame) so they are not going to just roll over and die.

mahbubH
January 20, 2005, 10:20 AM
I thought Razzak would be better than Rana ... but I was wrong .... it was reachable target but we failed because of lack of professinalism .... they way Nafees got out is horrible .... he just gave away his wicket .... I do not see reasons to blame selectors because they choose Alok after he showd his form in Dhaka league. Enamul cannot be sure selections over Razzak in ODIs because of his batting. Razzak just flopped and he usually does better than this. We just miss Rafique .. thats all! Weldone Zimbo!

fwullah
January 20, 2005, 10:20 AM
it was more THE SHAMEFULL BATTING causing the defeat


NO, KEEP THE BATSMAN OUT OF THIS LOSS. It was the bowlers' job to restrict the batsman to below 250 - they could not do it. Just tell me, how many times did we restrict many other stronger teams (much more stronger than this Zimbabwe side) to just 250? ANSWER: Many times.

And yet, when we get a side as 'inexperienced' as Zimbabwe are, and yet, we give them away 250 runs - its a mammoth target - I tell you, especially after losing the toss and under those conditions, batting last - in a day nighter (remember Canada?).


And Zimbabwean bowling may not be a strong bowling line up, but they have shown that their bowling is stronger than their batting - just like us. If you want more proof that it was not our batsman's fault, read my next reply.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:24 AM
we lost the match even before we played. this was pretty inevitable ever since we won the test series and our players started big mouthing, and the selectors started leaving out the best in utter arrogance.

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 3:24 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

crazyisland
January 20, 2005, 10:25 AM
I know we are all upset now but if you look at it subjectively... it's not the selector's problem.
Selector just rested the bowlers for very good reasons. Both Rafique and Mashrafe were semi-injured. You had to give them some rest or you do more damage to them. I think the bowlers did a decent job. 250 in a batting pitch is not high target at all. They did their job but our batmen, as we are very used to, could not play up to their mark.

Now look at the batting line up... This is NOT a BD 2nd Team Line up...

Nafis, Rajin, Bashar, Ash, Aftab, Kapali, K Mashud are the best line up we could make for ODIs.

We lost the game because our batsmen specially middle order failed to build solid partnerships by playing rash shots.

Well we got to come back very hard the next game and I am sure they will.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:29 AM
we lost the match even more when we conceded 250 runs.

eshob kotha bole labh nai - jader kothay kothay rest dorkar hoy taaderke teamei nawa uchit na.

enamul and masri should've played.

rafique's injury was genuine - i have no complaints against that.

yesterday i said that we CAN'T win with four bowlers. we should have played rana. how can you play an ODI with four bowlers and expect the occassionals to bowl a huge percentage of the overs?

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 10:31 AM
i wouldn't mind if they rested players against australia - the outcome would have been the same.

however, this is a team we can beat only if we step down from cloud 9.

CTazim
January 20, 2005, 10:45 AM
1st ODI Post Mortem- Top Ten Reasons Bangladesh Lost

#1 When Rajjak was conceding too many runs, Bashar took 2-3 overs too many to bring in changes. Bashar needs to be more decisive on the field.

#2. Aftab, Alok playing too defensively at a horrific strike rate for an ODI.


#3. Shujon's Run out was unfortunate --> Chigumbara was blocking him and was the pivotal point when match was getting in our grasp and slipped away.

#4. Nazmul's run out.. There were 12 balls remaining and I think at worst we could have lost by 5 or 6 run and that we had a fair shot at getting to the target. Runs scored at a rate in overs immediately preceding the dismissal justify that claim.

#5. Not selecting ROKON was a mistake

#6. Not selecting RANA was a mistake. ( Alok and Aftabs are flops).

#7. Not selecting Enamul is not the reason of not winning though.

#8. Resting Rafique and MASRI are not reasons for the loss either.

#9. Ashraful should not PLAY TESTS as ODI and ODISs as if it were a Test match.

#10. Undeer estimating any opponent is DEADLY !

Sam
January 20, 2005, 10:47 AM
Infact, there was no hard hitter at the tail end, when both Rafiq and Mashrafe were dropped. Addition of Rana could have improved this situation.
Razzak was given chance against Enam Jnr. which was not correct. Enam has the flow, moreover Zim players will think twice before hitting his deliveries.
Except Aftab, Alok and K. Mashud others played not bad. But at the end we found short of batters.

fwullah
January 20, 2005, 10:47 AM
1. First of all, we are playing with only one specialist opener, and we have 2 very new batsman in our side - Nafees and Aftab. So, we have to let a vital middle order batsman Rajin Saleh to bat at the top. And it worked - credit to Rajin Saleh that he's able to play very well despite not being a specialist opening batsman against this attack.

2. Now about those new batsman - Nafees Iqbal and Aftab Ahmed - I don't blame them - how could you blame them? They have been into the side since - just under one year.

3. Rajin Saleh - you could blame him for not continuing; but then again, if it was not for him, then we would have never gone on to score so quickly - taking on the bowlers in the first 15 overs. In fact, except for Rafique in that lone ODI match which we won against Kenya, I don't remember many of our openers attacking the bowlers and taking advantage of those field restrictions.

4. You could blame Habibul Bashar the batsman, because not only is he the captain, but he's also the most experienced batsman in the side. I remember, he played shots and was dropped twice (or just fell short of the fielder) in the same areas as he was out in the test matches (2nd innings) and earlier today. But then again, he is just one single batsman - how can he alone take Bangladesh home - especially when the target is so huge?

5. You could blame Ashraful for not scoring quickly - as quickly as Rajin Saleh, but I've seen him bat today - there wasn't anything much that he could do; except for may be trying to stay in the wicket for a few more overs with Sujon on the other end. After all, the game was quite close when Sujon and then Tapash started hitting. Ashraful was also under a lot of pressure to hit boundaries at that stage. I guess he can only learn from today's game - you also have to remember that he hasn't played much of One Day cricket outside the national team.

6. You could blame Aftab again, but he's been looking so nervous and so out of confidence throughout against Zimbabwe, it was almost certain that he'd not score too much under such a pressure situation.

7. You could also blame Alok Kapali. whom the selectors reckon is back in form, but looking at his batting, the only thing that jolted in my mind is that our domestic cricket doesn't have a good bowler like Hondo playing; so its obvious that Kapali hasn't played International cricket for a long time. However, he had played Prosper Utseya way more comfortably than other batsman like Bashar or Ashraful. So, does it tell you anything? In fact, when Bashar and Ashraful was finding it very difficult to get away from Utseya delivery, Kapali was (as far as I can remember) the first batsman to take singles off this off spinner.

8. You could also blame Khaled Mashud, I think we all know by now that when Mashud keeps badly, he also bats badly in the same match - we have seen enough proofs of this - just remember the Kenya match in the world cup 2003.

9. You could blame Khaled Mahmud Sujon for getting run out, or for having a groin injury, for which reason he was unable to take those quick singles when Ashraful and Sujon was batting. But nobody has any hands over injuries, isn't it? Besides, it was quite evident from the tv replays that as the bowler was in between Sujon on the non-striking end and him, so it was just a case of bad luck than anything else. May be you could blame Sujon for backing up from too far also. But it was a pressure situation and quick singles were in demand, had there been opportunities with Tapash batting in the striking end.

10. Tapash batted magnificiently - if you want to blame him, you can blame him for .... what? nothing. He was taking Bangladesh home - showing how big hearted player he is; and also why he's called an allrounder in domestic cricket.

11. Rajjak - I'm yet to see any good batting from him. I don't remember how well he batted in his debut series during the Asia Cup - can anyone remember? If you want to blame any batsman - blame him, for being in the side, for giving the selectors so much in favor of him and yet, not performing in the end. I had thought that Raj was selected in the team ahead of Enamul Junior because of his batting ability, guess I was wrong.

12. You could blame Nazmul - for running without looking where the ball went; but he's too, so new and inexperienced, he may not have played too many 50 over games in domestic matches as well. However, the way he supported Tapash before getting out, I think that if Rajjak is to play in any of the next matches, along with Nazmul, then I think Nazmul deserves to bat ahead of Raj. (Really, I don't know what the selectors have seen in Raj).

fwullah
January 20, 2005, 11:05 AM
Not selecting ROKON was a mistake


Completely disagree.

If we had 11 Rokons in our side, we would have been 10 all out in 5 overs.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by fwullah

Not selecting ROKON was a mistake


Completely disagree.

If we had 11 Rokons in our side, we would have been 10 all out in 5 overs.

no fwullah, that's giving rokon more credit than he deserves ;)

fwullah
January 20, 2005, 11:07 AM
Infact, there was no hard hitter at the tail end, when both Rafiq and Mashrafe were dropped. Addition of Rana could have improved this situation.


Absolutely. Rana could come in place of either Kapali or Aftab in the next matches.

shaheen
January 20, 2005, 11:08 AM
I would like to raise the following point for the selectors as well as our Captain

1. For selectors: How many specialist bowlers we selected for this match. I think only five specialist bowlers and they are Nazmul/ Razzak and Taposh. Of course we have many part time bowlers like Ash/Rajin/Afatb/Alok etc. But did they think what will happen if one of our specialist bowler do not click then what will happen?? And that is the main reason why Zim had such a fighting scorecard in their innings.

2. For Captain: I would say Bashar should know how and when to use his part timers. I think he did not use part time bowlers at appropriate time and manner. I was wondering Why he used Razzak after 45th over? while Our main bowlers Taposh/ nazmul even Aftab had many overs to bowl.

From the very beginning Captain did not control Zim boundary's. And it seems to me that he was more eager to check the singles rather then that fours; Our Captain should understand the role of Captain; He should understand that without batting he has a lot of things to do for the team; he should learn a lot from his counterpart regarding this matter; Captaincy really play a BIG ROLE in ODI

3. Lastly and most importantly none of our batsman really played with responsibility; From the evry beginning when Nafis gets out all our batsman choose the same ways; I was wondering what type of instruction they were getting from the Captain as well as Coach;

We do not mind if we loose the game with a better opposition and after giving a good fight. But here it is quite different case; we did not loose because of our strength but just because of our selectors and lack of proper planning; Selectors should know whether Captain can use all his part time bowler when only three specialist are available.

fwullah
January 20, 2005, 11:08 AM
no fwullah, that's giving rokon more credit than he deserves


Come on, there has to be 10 balls to get 10 batsman out. :snob:

shaheen
January 20, 2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by shaheen
I would like to raise the following point for the selectors as well as our Captain

1. For selectors: How many specialist bowlers we selected for this match. I think only five specialist bowlers and they are Nazmul/ Razzak and Taposh. Of course we have many part time bowlers like Ash/Rajin/Afatb/Alok etc. But did they think what will happen if one of our specialist bowler do not click then what will happen?? And that is the main reason why Zim had such a fighting scorecard in their innings.

2. For Captain: I would say Bashar should know how and when to use his part timers. I think he did not use part time bowlers at appropriate time and manner. I was wondering Why he used Razzak after 45th over? while Our main bowlers Taposh/ nazmul even Aftab had many overs to bowl.

From the very beginning Captain did not control Zim boundary's. And it seems to me that he was more eager to check the singles rather then that fours; Our Captain should understand the role of Captain; He should understand that without batting he has a lot of things to do for the team; he should learn a lot from his counterpart regarding this matter; Captaincy really play a BIG ROLE in ODI

3. Lastly and most importantly none of our batsman really played with responsibility; From the evry beginning when Nafis gets out all our batsman choose the same ways; I was wondering what type of instruction they were getting from the Captain as well as Coach;

We do not mind if we loose the game with a better opposition and after giving a good fight. But here it is quite different case; we did not loose because of our strength but just because of our selectors and lack of proper planning; Selectors should know whether Captain can use all his part time bowler when only three specialist are available.

Sorry only three specialist bowlers!!!!

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by fwullah

no fwullah, that's giving rokon more credit than he deserves


Come on, there has to be 10 balls to get 10 batsman out. :snob:

yeah but ten runs? that's an aweful lot :wow:

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 11:20 AM
shaheen bhai - thats exactly what i was saying yesterday in some other thread - what if one of the specialists fail? we can't use the occassional bowlers to bowl such a high fraction of the 50 overs!

paco
January 20, 2005, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
Originally posted by fwullah

no fwullah, that's giving rokon more credit than he deserves


Come on, there has to be 10 balls to get 10 batsman out. :snob:

yeah but ten runs? that's an aweful lot :wow:

With 11 Rokons in the side, you'd probably at 8 or 9 runs all out most of the time - however, once in every 40 or so matches, you'd get 1000 for 7 in 50 overs, so the selectors would continue to pick them.

betaar
January 20, 2005, 11:26 AM
We know this is not the best eleven BD selectors could come up with.

We know that there was a need of another spinner who could do some damage to the Zim batting line.

We know that Razzak just came back from a correctional camp, so he was not upto his best, which happens to the best spinners of the world like Murali.

We know that since Rafiq was rested we needed a genuine spinner in the team, like Enamul who gave more trouble to the Zim, and having a player like him in the team is a moral boost for BD and a psychological advantage over the Zim.

We know that selectors are trying to save Enamul for bigger occations, but what could've been bigger then starting the ODI series with a win. Besides, the 3/4 days break that Rafiq and Masri will get could be enough for them to come back in the following matches.

We know that including Kapali is the team back fired because he didn't score and may seem like a bad decision, but it's fair to say that Rana would've been a better choice because he can bat and bowl spin bowling which would've played a supporting role.

We know that our bowlers could've done a better job with the ball and so could our captain only if he was a little more decisive with the bowlers' over quota.

We also know that our batsmen didn't bat well, happens all the time, where every one got a start and didn't take the ownership to fish the match or atleast stay there longer against a weak Zim bowling line up.

Even after all these I would finish saying the same line;

THE SAME BD TEAM IS WELL CAPABLE OF WINNING AGAINST THIS ZIM TEAM IF AND ONLY IF THEY PLAY UPTO THEIR POTENTIAL.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 11:26 AM
winning every 40 matches...hmmm...what is our current win rate like?

mahbubH
January 20, 2005, 11:28 AM
Well said Shaheen.

amadergaan
January 20, 2005, 11:32 AM
the team was a good one..bear kapali...he is totally out of from and shouldn't have been included.

Ahmed_B
January 20, 2005, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
rana should have played instead of alok - addition to both batting and bowling

yes, the bowling is to blame as well

enamul shouldn't have been rested

was mashrafe unfit for this match?
so u r actually expecting rana to score the runs that the top order did not??

Rana was replaced by Mahmud and not Alok.. and Mahmud did a fairly good job.. which Rana would surely fail to supersede

jeesh
January 20, 2005, 11:41 AM
Agree with C Tazim

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
rana should have played instead of alok - addition to both batting and bowling

yes, the bowling is to blame as well

enamul shouldn't have been rested

was mashrafe unfit for this match?
so u r actually expecting rana to score the runs that the top order did not??

Rana was replaced by Mahmud and not Alok.. and Mahmud did a fairly good job.. which Rana would surely fail to supersede


i'm saying that we should've played rana instead of alok. he is a better bowler and would definitely do better with the bat.

i also think masri and enamul should have played.

most importantly, i think the players shouldn't have hidden their heads in their butts after the test series.

itswaps
January 20, 2005, 11:58 AM
unfortunately our batsmen cant play the ground shots, when ever they tryed to increase there run rate . most of the time they tryed the lofted shot to make a 4 run ,,:(

itswaps
January 20, 2005, 12:01 PM
Edited on, January 20, 2005, 5:04 PM GMT, by itswaps.

bondhu25
January 20, 2005, 12:21 PM
Aftab should be replaced for 2nd ODI.. Mashrafee/Rafique can easily replace Aftab. They are both "all rounder" for ODI. Aftab is a burden for the team at this moment. I dont see much need for Alok either... We have to win the ODI series..So no chance for experiments !!!!!... Selectors: are you listening?????

bondhu25
January 20, 2005, 12:31 PM
Aftab is totally useless........He should be replaced........

cracky
January 20, 2005, 12:31 PM
yes, I am listening. We will bring back Shanto on next match instead of Aftab.

Originally posted by bondhu25
Aftab should be replaced for 2nd ODI.. Mashrafee/Rafique can easily replace Aftab. They are both "all rounder" for ODI. Aftab is a burden for the team at this moment. I dont see much need for Alok either... We have to win the ODI series..So no chance for experiments !!!!!... Selectors: are you listening?????

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 5:32 PM GMT, by cracky.

Ahmed_B
January 20, 2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by fwullah

it was more THE SHAMEFULL BATTING causing the defeat

NO, KEEP THE BATSMAN OUT OF THIS LOSS.

now why would u do that?

this was really a ‘Team-effort’ to earn a ‘Defeat’ for the country... but surely the batsmen were the biggest contributors on the way...!
Bowlers
yes... the bowlers could hav given 20 odd runs less than wht they did... but in such a good batting wicket sometimes the opposition does get 250 runs even if u try hard! I would rather blame Bashar’s unpredictable & surprising bowling changes for the inconsistency that the bowlers displayed!
Fielding
was below standard... to be specific! Specially the throws... poorest ones even by Rajin!!

Batting!
no matter what happened in first innings... 250 was quite a ‘Gettable’ task!!!
The ZIM bowling looked really quite ‘Toothless’ and BD had their expected blasting start too!!
#yet these unbelievable things happened:

Nafees: got out in a fashion “... as if they need 9 runs per over and he HAD to play a shot like that!…”
Rajin: Was looking so very ‘Chance-less’... yet probably he thought he was ‘Invisible!’
Bashar: With 2 lives given... he played like a schoolboy to get out in 3rd chance!
Ash: Also was ‘Gifted’ a life at 4! Even though he scored 42... he was looking like he is trying to beat the ball out of the ground everytime along with the bowler itself!!!!..
Aftab: Stupidly only followed the path of his previous ones!
Alok: No Comments!! This is probably the only place where u can question the SELECTORS..

Pilot: well u can’t expect him to save our face each and every single time..
Mahmud & Tapash deserves all the credits of taking the match as far as it came!!!
Rajjak/Nazmul: Nothing to be expected from them.. the first 9 batsmen r fairly capable of reaching 250 runs in total..

The way BD started the batting innings... and the kind of confidence they have at the moment... they are capable of scoring 300 runs in 50 overs against this bowling standard of the ZIMs!
But trust me... the top 6 batsmen played as if they wanted to finish the match within 30 overs... totally showing disrespect to the opposition..! and they really paid the price! Now how can I keep this ATTITUDE out of question at all??

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 5:51 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.

iftx
January 20, 2005, 12:49 PM
we lost the game because
#of coupe of reckless shots at the top of the order were responsible for cheap wickets (even though few catches were dropped)
#Middle order did not play well as Aftab and Kapali got out cheaply (irresponsible shots as well)


all that happened today are old stories.the same thing happening everytime.

players and selectors are without any responsibility.
they were like this before and still are.

bangalee
January 20, 2005, 01:46 PM
all I can say it's a BIG POWERFULL SLAP to all big mouth selectors, over confident captain and careless players.. no one else to blame. This guys have won matches before though lost most of the time but always have shown some spirit and common sense. This game can only be termed as 'Bad dream' if we win the next 4 matches otherwise all these culprits should be penalized.

Hope this short sighted selectors and the small brain captain will learn something. So many mistakes in one match, how can you win?
From Bowling, bowling change, fielding, batting to applying common sense everything was horribly wrong.

BushidoTiger
January 20, 2005, 03:43 PM
While we can discuss about the cause for our failure till cows come home; we are forgetting to give the credit to the Zimbabwe's for setting a target that proved to be insurmountable.
All credit may go to our big mouth Captain for saying BD will whitewash Zimbabwe in ODI and ticking them off in that process. For what I saw, from the very first ball, Zimbo seemed to come out to prove a point. I know of no team who'd play the kind of attacking cricket like the way Zimbo did especially when they just lost two wickets within the first five overs.

At the beginning of the whole affair, a lot of us postulated that winning against Zimbabwe would be walk in the park especially considering their deflated status. Deflated or not they demonstrated how they are still to be treated as part of the exclusive club. If the selectors and the captain were under the delusion that Zimbabwe will serve them the ODI series in a silver platter; hope this woke them up.

With those two quick wickets in succession it seemed that we woke up a wounded Lion. These guys showed zero respect for our bowlers while beating them to pulp. It seemed that everyone but the two Ms at the crease thought Zimbabwe was in trouble after loosing two early ones.

These guys came out with a mission and a purpose - to show their resolve and demonstrate what fight spirit and pride were all about. With each boundary scored by their batsmen, though I kept flinching every time; my respect for them as worthy opponent kept going up.
A series loss, didn't do anything to temper their determination. We all saw how Taibu and his men showed how worthy of an opponent they had been.

Lest the euphoria from recent successes that have been so elusive, doesn't not get to our head and make us complacent.
I hope the positives from these matches should include lessons for our captain in 'leading by example' and to recognize how right attitude and intention can produce results.

Despite everything, we still could have and should have won the game. Even with the standard middle order failure and fishing expedition that we all are so used to; Tapash was in a position to take us home.
He played with big heart while carrying an enormous burden on his shoulder. What was most discouraging was to witness Nazmul’s run-out.
As a spectator, it was yet another case of utter disbelief. The sheer stupidity was similar to the one when match against India ended prematurely with eight run shy of follow on avoidance target.

A lot us are too eager to overlook this as youthful exuberance or blame it on lack of experience. Maybe I'm the lone one here who can’t be that forgiving.
There should be a fundamental shift in attitude when a player, independent of his age, is allowed to be in the big league. When a fast bowler does his run up to gather speed to throw an ultra fast one, I bet last thing he'd be thinking was the age of the batsman standing on the receiving end of his fiery salvo. Understandably, he will pull no punches.

By the virtue of walking into the field in a Test match, a player announces to the world and to his opponent in particular, that he has earned right to be at highest level. To expect anything less from him does disservice to his own pride and growth.

If it is a matter of win or loose for the team as a whole, vernal inadequacy can not be an excuse.

Edited on, January 20, 2005, 11:33 PM GMT, by BushidoTiger.

sutru
January 20, 2005, 03:53 PM
u khow what i am feeling now. i am feeling crazy . cause stupid faruk. ore pchar madya ekta lathi mara ochit. ora kick out kora occhit. or ai jaiga ta ather ali khan, nanu othaba akram khan re dio occhit. slala faruk-a nje konodin bhaola cricket khela nai , tai liga or moto player gola er khelte chance dai. sala re paile korbani dimo. alok re dol thaka bad dion occhit. ore ja kan nilo bujlam. sala faruk taka khaiche. nai-le amaon korte parto na.

howzatt!
January 20, 2005, 07:00 PM
i have to say this. how could bashar give the ball to razzak on 47th over when chigumbura was smashing left and right and razzak had given 42 runs off 7 overs? yes he did take chigumbura's wicket but not before chigumbura had done the damage. we needed tapash at that time. again when we expected tapash to bowl the 49th over, he gave the ball to nazmul. that was bad captaincy by bashar.

Samin
January 20, 2005, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i wouldn't mind if they rested players against australia - the outcome would have been the same.

however, this is a team we can beat only if we step down from cloud 9.

That's a bad attitiude to have... You should field your strongest team ESPECIALLY for the better opposition...

amin
January 20, 2005, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
Originally posted by fwullah

Not selecting ROKON was a mistake


Completely disagree.

If we had 11 Rokons in our side, we would have been 10 all out in 5 overs.

no fwullah, that's giving rokon more credit than he deserves ;)
yah, if rokon playes 5 over he can make 15*6+15*4=150. not 10, remember this, he got this ability.

cricket_pagol
January 20, 2005, 09:16 PM
I guess rokon will do that once in every 15 matches...

I admit that rokon can hit the ball pretty well but he is so inconsistent.

PoorFan
January 20, 2005, 09:30 PM
I completely agree with crickethorizon.
Selectors should not be blamed for this defeat it's not possible to put the team in game 100% all the time.
Except Mashree and Rafiqe the batting line up was as usual BD national team.
So there is no reason they cant chase a target 250 against this Zim team not matter under light.
They played under light is not an excuse and can not be acceptable.

Nafees: got out in a fashion “... as if they need 9 runs per over and he HAD to play a shot like that!…”
Rajin: Was looking so very ‘Chance-less’... yet probably he thought he was ‘Invisible!’
Bashar: With 2 lives given... he played like a schoolboy to get out in 3rd chance!
Ash: Also was ‘Gifted’ a life at 4! Even though he scored 42... he was looking like he is trying to beat the ball out of the ground everytime along with the bowler itself!!!!..
Aftab: Stupidly only followed the path of his previous ones!
Alok: No Comments!! This is probably the only place where u can question the SELECTORS..

None of them has played with a strategy to build a partnership.
I doubt was there any instruction or target of RR or play how many overs.
Otherwise why Nafis and Rajin had to rush on hitting boundaries while only 4.x runs in a over is enough at that moment?
We are fairly on the game even after Bashar's depart but Aftab,
Alok and Mashud put us in huge backfoot. this was the big turning point.
But Mahmud and Tpash bring back us in the game but Mahmud gone unfortunately and Razzak for cheap.
Even than there was a chance to show fighting spirit, but again Nazmul blow it away.
This is for the second time for Nazmul to get a run out at the crucial moment like a foolish.

The pressure build on when a batsman contribute to a good partnership and stay on pitch is huge and automatic on any opponent.
Couple of boundaries with high run rate not make pressure on opponent if wicket fall regularly.
And naturally run rate will come down as well which every body know that, don't understand why BD players cant do that?
It seems to me they are not playing as a team rather playing individual so called natural play,
if the outcome is good then it's ok but if not then they feel they are unlucky.
Simply they don't know how to build up an innings as a team

Given all those elements which is basic and very important to each and every player while being a national player,
how come we criticize our selectors rather than our players?

Edited on, January 21, 2005, 3:03 AM GMT, by PoorFan.

rassel
January 21, 2005, 12:44 AM
You know, losing a game against similar side is no big deal. Even the mighty Aussies loses against lesser opponent like of New Zealand and so on. So you gat to move on from this sobering situation (some of our feeling) and figured out what went wrong and what can you do to turn things around. Beside, there are plenty of games left for us to improve and get more positive outcome from this series.

Now lets chill and enough with the finger pointing. :umm:

FANatic
January 21, 2005, 05:37 AM
You guys should have heard the dialogue between Arun Lal and Atahar Ali Khan when they came to comment on the game. Arun Lal was absolutely fuming mad at the Bangladeshi selectors for leaving out Enamul Haq Jr. In fact the conversation went something like this:

Arun: Why have the selectors chosen Razzak instead of Enamul?!

Atahar: After having a long discussion we decided that Enamul's bowling is more suitable for test cricket and Razzak is a better one day choice.

Arun: So you mean to say that if Razzak gets 6 wickets in each of the five ODIs then you will never consider him for Test cricket!!?

Atahar: I think you are getting a little carried away...(then there was silence...)

Simply put, Atahar showed how illogical it was for the selectors to have dropped Enamul from the match. No wonder Bangladesh keeps losing! I hope the selectors swallow their pride and select Enamul for the rest of the ODIs.

AsifTheManRahman
January 21, 2005, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Samin
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i wouldn't mind if they rested players against australia - the outcome would have been the same.

however, this is a team we can beat only if we step down from cloud 9.

That's a bad attitiude to have... You should field your strongest team ESPECIALLY for the better opposition...

just venting my frustration here