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islam
January 20, 2005, 06:58 PM
OK first of all i want to talk about what Bd did wrong in the ODI.

I knew they'd get 230 and lose by 20 runs, i was proven correct as SADLY i usally am.

First mistake. Players missing:
Rafique, montaza, ENAMUL????, RANA (thats a who's who of bd bowling)
Omar-I have never liked him, but @ least he can hold up am end was as long as required-needed player @ the top.

PLayers playing who should not be:
Aftab: what has he done in the recent past? He's not mature enough to be playing
Razzak: enamul for razzak, DREAM ON BD. This is no enamul.
His economy WAS good before last game.

Bashars captaincy: Bowling razzak @ the death and getting smacked for SIX! showing the zim tail its not hard on this pitch to slog.
Front line bowlers only bowling 7/8 overs out of ten and bowling part time bowlers for too much of the innings. When u see 7/8 bowlers on the bowlers list-You know the team is in trouble.

Batting approach: It was a decent chase, but no one had the will to stay the distance and thus we lost, see zim hand 2 players in the 50's.

Fielding: Huge gap between the 2 teams, if we took our catches and made the run outs zim would have been out well before 200 NO DOUBT. This is a major issue, we had improved on this but looks like we have forgot the basics.

Conclusion: We don't learn by the fighting sprit of ZIm, maybe over confidence. IT will be tough to win the serise against them playing like we are playing.


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howzatt!
January 20, 2005, 07:10 PM
gooric, shouldn't u be celebrating cuz u supported zimbabwe all along. i never thought i would agree with gooric (g** of paltalk's live cricket room), but i have to agree with u on some of the issues you brought up specially bashar's horrible bowling changes on 47th and 49th over. fielding difference between BD and ZIM. but i don't agree with u about Javed omar. he is not an ODI opener. he is way to defensive to play ODIs. right now we have too good ODI openers, they just need to control their urge to hit some balls that are actually traps set by opposition bowlers.

islam
January 20, 2005, 07:13 PM
On the javeed Omar issue, we need a defensive player @ the top of the order who can bat out the 50 openers, if you have a batsmen who bats for 50 overs your team will win. Our other stroke players need to play aorund him.

We need to fix the top order. Eaither get Omar, or maybe make ranjin/nafis play that solid long innings role. I persnaly think Ranjin is a middle order player, and is wasted with the new ball. I will like tusar imran in the middle order insteed or aftab, and train ranjin to play the Omar role (if you don't pick omar).

Naw why would i support zim, they suck.

Forever WEST INDIES!!!!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

allrounder
January 20, 2005, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by islam

Aftab: what has he done in the recent past?

do you have short memory problem my friend? He got the MOM on the historic win against INDIA and got 30 on the first ODI too.

how recent do you want?

islam
January 20, 2005, 07:33 PM
Test serise against ZIm: He's not playing the understrenght indian side any more. Hondo/panyangara is better than most of the indian bowlers, india sent to bd.
He has not score over 10 againts ZIm yet, once you have realised he can't bat against ZIm, for whatever reason he can't do it. GIVE HIM A BREAK. Learn from australia-who rest out of form players giving them a mental and a physical rest.

islam
January 20, 2005, 07:45 PM
Kapali should have been playing, on paper he was one of the better player on da bd team, but laching HIGH quality match practise-He looked rusty.
We don't really have any other spining all-roudners to fill that place without rafique.

Sham
January 20, 2005, 09:41 PM
the MOM of the historic win against India in Dhaka was Mashrafee, not Aftab, although Aftab did score 60 odd in that match.

akabir77
January 20, 2005, 11:47 PM
so according to you guys we should check player for each game and how much pressure will that create on aftab? Bd already tried that and we lost player like bulbul, durjay, rokon by doing that.. So pls stop saying that we need to chg plyrs cause he didn't perform last 2 matches ok. He was selected cause he was doing best in that position.. so trust on that and see what happens next....

Ahmed_B
January 21, 2005, 12:07 AM
islam... it seems u got poor knowledge about the leading performers of our junior/u-19 teams.. thats why u hav direct complain against Aftab.

we got Ash/Nafees/Enamul already as star players from that level.. and my feeling is Aftab is surely next to be there..

He is not a lad from the blue... he is here after consistant performance in junior levels! So pls paitence..:cool:

and about your JO-fascination: He is fantastic in TESTS.. but for that very reason, his StrikeRate is unfit for ODI's. We only used him in ODI's in the past cos we idnt hav replacements!! But probably Rajin+Nafis pair is going to solve that prob for quite long time now.. se JO can be kept out of ODI's. But undoubtably he only strengthes our Batting depth in TESTs.

CHEERS!

fwullah
January 21, 2005, 12:18 AM
I agree with all the other points said against islam, however, one big point that we're forgetting is that at least one of the top 6 batsman has to play until the 45th/50th over. If there was a specialist batsman (may be Ashraful) on one end in the last 10 overs, we could have won the match, especially after watching Sujon and Tapash hitting.

howzatt!
January 21, 2005, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by akabir77
so according to you guys we should check player for each game and how much pressure will that create on aftab? Bd already tried that and we lost player like bulbul, durjay, rokon by doing that.. So pls stop saying that we need to chg plyrs cause he didn't perform last 2 matches ok. He was selected cause he was doing best in that position.. so trust on that and see what happens next....


akabir has a good point here. we shouldn't just sack players if they can't perform in a particular series. we should have selected 14-15 players for our national team. whoever can't perform may not be in best 11, but will not be dropped from the squad of 14-15 players unless they show hopeless performance series after series like mushfiqur rahman. kapali, aftab may not be performing at their best at this moment but they sure are talented cricketers. they may just be out of form at this moment. lets not forget about rajin saleh. he debuted in international cricket in style in our series against pakistan. then for quite a few series and tournaments he showed hopeless performance, but once he got his confidence back in 3rd ODI against india, he is constantly scoring decent runs. so, selectors may not pick aftab or kapali in best 11 in everygame, but they should be in our primamry squad of 14-15 players. moreover, kapali should be given atleast one more chance considering his recent form in domestic cricket.

Tehsin
January 21, 2005, 12:40 AM
"He's not playing the understrenght indian side any more. Hondo/panyangara is better than most of the indian bowlers, india sent to bd."

Before India came to BD, they played Australia and South Africa and if one were to believe you, Tendulkar, Dravid, Gangulay, Zaheer, Pathan, Bhajji (Harbhajan), Kumble and co makes up the 'understrenght' Indian side. Looks like India has made a habit out of playing this understrenght side against other teams too. I wonder why they didn't player their real players against Bangladesh and for that matter against SA and Australia before us. Strange. :)

Just take a look at the stats page for the three series and see the stats of these understrenght players against the three test playing nations:

Australia in India: http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/AUS_IN_IND/STATS/AUS_IN_IND_SEP-NOV2004_TEST_AVS.html

SA in India: http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/RSA_IN_IND/STATS/RSA_IN_IND_NOV-DEC2004_TEST_AVS.html

India in BD: http://www.banglacricket.com/tours/IND2004/stats.php

Tehsin
January 21, 2005, 12:43 AM
One other thing - Zimbabwe is at the bottom of the table in world cricket along with us and Kenya while India is in the top half. So, obviously Hondo and Panyangara are BETTER then the Indian bowlers we played - pathan/Zaheer. Makes perfect sense, flawless logic on your part.

No more comments. :)

nasifkhan
January 21, 2005, 12:48 AM
Worthless ...shob gula worthless..........

islam
January 21, 2005, 02:30 AM
Bd played the full strenght indian team in the final ODI and got thrashed. So thats still showing how fear behind we are compaired to other nations.

Westindies tried X.marshal in the recent VB serise against Aus/pakistain. MArshal is an 18 year old star who started in the most recent U-19 world cup for WI where they reached the final losing to pakistan. This is the same tournament where panyangara took 7 odd wickets againts Australia U-19. The trial with marshal failed, he was obiously too yough for the big stage. IF you think Aftab is ready for internation cricket your kidding your selves.

tehsin: (YOU ARE COMPLEATLY WRONG)

BD beat an indian team which had: S Sriram , D Mongia , MS Dhoni , Joginder Sharma . This is a very, very weak team.

As well as that weak indian team, INDIA is ranked #8 in ODI internationals, one place above Zimbabuwa, The win against INDIA was nothing special. The last oDI showed BD vs the eight best team in the worl (india) and we got thrashed. Thats the difference. Hondo/panyangara are better/at least equall to that understrenght indian (8th ranked) lineup.

islam
January 21, 2005, 02:32 AM
WHy do you people Hype up indian ODI crikcet????

LOOK @ ICC test rankings, INDIA are no good @ ODI.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/

islam
January 21, 2005, 02:34 AM
Replying to someonelse about India play Aus/S.A

Test arn't oDI. India are a ordinary OdI team, a good test team but a shocking odi team, as they rankings show, and india also agree.

Ahmed_B
January 21, 2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by islam
tehsin: (YOU ARE COMPLEATLY WRONG)
BD beat an indian team which had: S Sriram , D Mongia , MS Dhoni , Joginder Sharma . This is a very, very weak team.
GOOD!.... now you go completely self-contradictory!
If, you take that Ind. team to be the weaker squad.. thn pls also take this BD squad to be the 2nd stream weaker team also!!

Coz it lacked the number of their 'top-guns' :Rafiq/Masree/Enamul/Rana..

Then what's the use of your first detailed post at all??
U could just write "BD lost coz they played their 2nd strength team vs. the ZIMs!"

Trust me.. no one here on this board is using that excuse here (even though there is truth in it).. because it really sounds like a silly lame excuse!!... after all it's us who chose to play like that!!

AND SO DOES IT SOUND WHN YOU SAY IT ABOUT INDIA!! (no matter how big fan u r of IND.)

Hasib
January 21, 2005, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by islam

i was proven correct as SADLY i usally am.



You were wrong with the rating...

Now... the only reason our team lost was coz we were forced to feild a team weakened by injuries.... even though this weakened team could have won if the batsmen didn't play unecessory shots early on.

islam
January 21, 2005, 10:29 PM
Thats not the only reason we lost. We lost beacuse we were not good enough, saying if we had our bestline up dosn't mean much. The might have played much worse, we'll never know

feisal
January 21, 2005, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by fwullah
I agree with all the other points said against islam, however, one big point that we're forgetting is that at least one of the top 6 batsman has to play until the 45th/50th over. If there was a specialist batsman (may be Ashraful) on one end in the last 10 overs, we could have won the match, especially after watching Sujon and Tapash hitting.

** is not that too obvious to state?? it saying like we need some major innings from the top order to win.. off course who will doubt that??? In fact, even without that (one player batting all the way) a win can be managed by building steady partnership.. a number six might come to bat at 36/38th over.. so no big deal to be there at 45th over or so..

Hasib
January 22, 2005, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by islam
Thats not the only reason we lost. We lost beacuse we were not good enough,



we were not good enough coz we didnt have our full line up :umm:

islam
January 22, 2005, 01:41 AM
Many reasons why we wern't good enought. Our feilding. Our batting. Our bowling.

All were lacking, this is not dude to a full lineup, maybe bowling was affected dude to some bowlers missing, but our feilding was shocking?

Why was that the case????

shujan
January 22, 2005, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by islam
Thats not the only reason we lost. We lost beacuse we were not good enough, saying if we had our bestline up dosn't mean much. The might have played much worse, we'll never know

Originally posted by islam
I knew they'd get 230 and lose by 20 runs, i was proven correct as SADLY i usally am.




You donot know anything about prediction. All you care is weather your prediction is right or wrong. Your prediction ofcoarse change as the game goes. Everybody can do that. This is nothing special. You just stat the obvious and think of as you are the fortune teller. This is just baseless. Next time predict before the game start then shut up. Lets see how accurate you are? Bhuami bad den.


If you have said Bangladesh would loose in every game in last 5 years you would be correct 95% of the time. It doesn't need a genius to predict that. An idot with no hair can do that. An chair can do that. A table can do that. Any opodartho can do that.

Can you predict the win and get into 5%. If you can do that then come and brag.

By the way your spamming is screwd up. You always forget that their is other people trying to make conversetion. Be considerate and polite to other people and stop spamming the paltalk. Thankyou!

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Edited on, January 22, 2005, 8:56 AM GMT, by shujan.

cricketfan
January 22, 2005, 04:22 AM
India is 8th ranked in ODI whereas Zimbabwe is ranked 9th in the official ODI ranking. But that does not mean that both teams are of comparable strength as islam seems to suggest. Look at the points that the two team have in the ODI table: India have 98 points whereas Zimbabwe has 58 points. India is only 11 points below the 4th ranked team, whereas the gap between India and Zimbabwe is 40 points. So it is naive to say that India is as weak as Zimbabwe in ODI.

The 58 points that Zimbabwe has was earned by their full strength team. This team is in reality much more weaker than that. India on the other hand, is much more stronger than its 8th position might indicate. As the ICC table shows, India is within striking distance of the teams above it in the table and a good showing in the forthcoming tournaments will change the situation.

In any case the 8 major teams are still much better than the Zimbabwe team and continue to remain so in near future, so BD win against India in ODI is nothing to be scoffed of..

Hasib
January 26, 2005, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by islam

Naw why would i support zim, they suck.


Gooric... u contridict urself again! in paltalk u were saying u support Zimbabwe... u were celebrating all of Zimbabwe's success... but u were finally silenced yesterday, allahr-rahmatha