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yaseer
January 24, 2005, 01:08 PM
Strategically Bangladesh was dissapointing today -

1. Habib bowled rajin saleh for too long which helped to gain the momentum for ZIM at the end
2. 6-0-9-0, after this bowling figure, why habib didnt call for mashrafee in the middle overs for the wickets?
3. Enamul bowled out his overs but Rana's over were kept for the death. should'nt it be vise-versa? if spinners needed at the death, then it should be Enamul.
4. Why Pailot batted too low as that? he should be sent at no.6 we always underestimate him.

I thought we lost our match in these areas. What you think guys?

akabir77
January 24, 2005, 03:40 PM
3. was done cause he was in debu and didn't want jr face the music in his debu though i think he is quit capable of facing it.

4. is silly shujon was batting better than pilot so he was promoted higher but he failed....

2. agree 100%. I always saw how imran khan use to bring akram/waker in the middle to get some wkts when needed. When they were 4 down we let the two main plyr paly in and get set where as to me Habibul should have tried tapash and mm for 2 ov each.... When will he learn?????? :mad:

howzatt!
January 24, 2005, 03:48 PM
i was talking about ur point #2 the whole time i was watching the game to such an extent that some ppl got mad at me at paltalk even though they felt the same way as i did.

i always criticized bashar's bowling changes, but no one really paid attention as we were on a winning streak back then. the only time bashar made good bowling changes was the 2nd ODI against India.

shujan
January 24, 2005, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by yaseer
Strategically Bangladesh was dissapointing today -

3. Enamul bowled out his overs but Rana's over were kept for the death. should'nt it be vise-versa? if spinners needed at the death, then it should be Enamul.

I thought we lost our match in these areas. What you think guys?

No. 3 was a crucial mistake. Taibu and Taylor went to total defensive against Enamul. They played Enamul just to stay alive. That way 7 over of enamul was wasted.

no4. Chacha hit well in the first ODI. Chacha was sent to bring the RRR down

Edited on, January 24, 2005, 8:51 PM GMT, by shujan.

cracky
January 24, 2005, 03:57 PM
he is a very diffensive captain. He is happy to restrict the runs, rather than taking wickets.
He should try a different startegy to get taibu out as soon as possible.

aftitabi
January 24, 2005, 04:06 PM
Make Javed Omar captain

Fazal
January 24, 2005, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by aftitabi
Make Javed Omar captain

Yea!!! And Hannan Sarkar and Alok as co vice captain.

That will solve every thing, like the magic 'Malish' (cure of all Disease) sold in 6# Bus in Dhaka.

DJ Sahastra
January 24, 2005, 04:12 PM
"like the magic 'Malish' (cure of all Disease) sold in 6# Bus in Dhaka"

I really wanna visit Dhaka now!!! Seems like a lot of fun.

Where does the 6# bus go?

If it can take me to Paglar Baba's Mazaar, even better :).

reyme
January 24, 2005, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by akabir77

2. agree 100%. I always saw how imran khan use to bring akram/waker in the middle to get some wkts when needed. When they were 4 down we let the two main plyr paly in and get set where as to me Habibul should have tried tapash and mm for 2 ov each.... When will he learn?????? :mad:


I wish someone could shout at Bashar's ear to tell him to attack with the pacers after 4th wkt fall. Taylor+Taibu did the same damage 3rd time in a row now and still Bashar cannot learn. What is wrong with our captain, is he required to play by a book, no matter what occurs? I knew this pair was taking the game away and I mentioned it many times on paltalk last night. someone said bashar was saving masri for the slog. What Bshar failed to understand that if you could have broken that pair, there wouldn't be any slog overs. We just lost so much more for not breaking that pair on time. If we could get the 5th wkt within 120, ZIM had no chance scoring over 200. But no, Bashar let Rajin bowl, did not bring Masri, Taibu+Taylor settled, and 2 huge partnership completely ruined it.

And several times I have seen, that Bashar just dont show any urgency. In the test he kept bowling the same bowlers, without trying any occational bowlers at all. That led to a 150+ runs between Taylor and Taibu, almost won the match for ZIM. For 150 runs, he was content with slow run rates, he did not try something different, something aggresive. Ashraful, later by taking a wkt proved that he should have been tried 50 overs before.

I think Bashar should start watching tapes how Imran or Waugh led their teams. Like akabir77 I saw it was automatic. Imran used to bring Wasim in the middle to get a break in the middle or create extra pressure. I am surprised how this is happening game afer game under the watch of Dav Whatmore or team thinktank? Are these people completly clueless about how to rorate the bowlers for optimum results? To be honest with you, besides speding time on batting, bowling and and fielding, the team should learn how to make right decisions, bring the right bowlers and batsmen at the right time, deal with pressure and make adjustments in the game plan accordingingly.

Because with a ROBOT like game plan, where 2 pacers will bowl 10-12 overs, no matter how bad they are, bring on the spinners after the pacers, and keep watching (as Razzak was bowling even afetr giving 25 runs in 2 overs) and then bring on the pacers only in the slog overs, EVENTUALLY will NOT take this team much further. If you just play by the books, and act like a robot, then why do we need a captain?? Bowlers can come and go and finish their quota by the book. It is sad to see with so much talents around we just dont know how to utilize and manage them properly with a well executed game plan, that must be adgusted as the game demands. Will we ever learn? Will our coach ever help this team out? Will the Team Manager ever pay attention? If not, why do we need this Team management anyway?

reyme
January 24, 2005, 05:04 PM
Adjustments, Agressiveness and Risk Taking are somethings I have seen in some successful teams. New Zealand after found success in Deepak Patel, in the 92 World Cup, used him as a openning bowler although he was a spinner. Pakistan often brought Wasim at #4/5 to slog some overs in the middle to up the run rate. sometimes it worked, sometimes it failed, but at least they tried. Tried something risky, but rational. If something is working I dont want to change either, but if nothing is working, why not try something new, something beyond the book?

amadergaan
January 24, 2005, 05:37 PM
well said reyme.

clearly bashar could have been a bit more aggressive yesterday...and i do agree...bowling rotation was aweful.

we were a batsmen short...pilot came to bat way 2 late.

bourny3
January 24, 2005, 11:51 PM
I said in the match thread during the match. At the time Taibu and Taylor had come to the crease i said Mashrafe should bowl 2 overs now. But Habibul didnt do it.

shaheen
January 25, 2005, 01:08 AM
Bashar should be responsible for the last two ODI loss (besides the poor performances from both batsman and bowlers).

First of all Bashar should know what is the role of a Captain in Cricket. (id he does not know that then pls go and ask taibu).

Secondly, he should know when and how to use all his bowlers including specialist bowlers as well as part timers. (If he does not know that too then pls go and ask Taibu. How he used Rogers and other part timers as a replacemnt of Chigumbara. He also used Hondo even after a poor performances in his first spell. where Bashar did not try his part timers Aftab and Ash and also he did not bring Masri or Taposh in the middle of the match when taibu and taylor was making the partnership and a break through was extreemly needed. What is the use of keeping Masri's overs while these two wkts was vital for the game (as proved earlier). He should ask Taposh to change his bowling end and use the end which one was doing fine with masri). These small things at the end cost a lots. And lastly but not leastly, he should be more careful while playing for the team. He should not go for this type of run out while there was no urgency for runs.
If we keep the wkts in hands then we can take the advatages at the slog overs (with Ash/Chacha/ Masri/pilot/Taposh still has to come).

Hopefully this type silly Captaincy will not be there from 3rd ODI onwards.

Wish TIGERS good luck! and a series win

Spitfire_x86
January 25, 2005, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Fazal
"like the magic 'Malish' (cure of all Disease) sold in 6# Bus in Dhaka"
Nowdays canvassers sell things only in double decker buses. There's hardly any room to move inside the #6 buses once you get in.

Flip Master Mick
January 25, 2005, 02:15 AM
bashar is horrible... the guy most of the time does not have a clue about what's happening around him... i don't know if you guys noticed but when arun lal asked him about the team composition before the first game he went as far as to mention talha jubair's name... nonetheless, we don't have anyone to replace him at this time or anytime soon before he retires...

Sam
January 25, 2005, 05:00 AM
I want to thank yaseer for introducing this thread. There were discussions earlier also about the captaincy of H. Bashar. But there were many who supported his stance and wanted to declare him as the best possible captain. But today everybody unanimously vows for his mistakes. It is acceptable when someone understands his mistakes and corrects it, but itís pathetic when someone doesnít have the ability to understand his faults.

Sam
January 25, 2005, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by Flip Master Mick
bashar is horrible... . ... nonetheless, we don't have anyone to replace him at this time or anytime soon before he retires...
I think M. Rafiq is quite competent for this post. He is more charismatic, consistent, knowledgeable about fielding plans etc.

akabir77
January 25, 2005, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Originally posted by Fazal
"like the magic 'Malish' (cure of all Disease) sold in 6# Bus in Dhaka"
Nowdays canvassers sell things only in double decker buses. There's hardly any room to move inside the #6 buses once you get in.

Hey thats not right bro #6 buss is non-stop no standing bus now a days.. Once u get in you buy a ticket from the conductor from inside the bus and No standing allowed....

Bangladesh agea jachey !!!!

ANd iDJ i think it goes to one of the mazar but i forgot which one Fakirapul mazar or something...;)

akabir77
January 25, 2005, 08:34 AM
Is there any Captancy for Dummys out there? can we buy a copy and send bashar one? :fanflag:

Spitfire_x86
January 25, 2005, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by akabir77
Hey thats not right bro #6 buss is non-stop no standing bus now a days.. Once u get in you buy a ticket from the conductor from inside the bus and No standing allowed....

Bangladesh agea jachey !!!!
That's true for very very few buses. 99% of #6 buses are still "standing service", like they always were. I regularly travel in #6 route. I try to avoid #6 buses at all costs, only ride them if there's not a double decker around.

BTW, Bangladesh is going backwards in many sectors. Years ago, nobody used to stand in the 1st floor of double decker buses (which is risky and illegal). Now unless it's very early morning or 8:00 PM+, then you wouldn't find a double decker which doesn't have too many standing passangers in the 1st floor. And many people still likes to travel by standing in the gate of local buses, so that they can get plenty of air while travelling.

Edited on, January 25, 2005, 3:20 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.