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ZaKi
January 26, 2005, 06:34 AM
now its a hard job for selectors to select 11 players for next match.... as Rana,Nazmul bolwed well today.... So, i think Rafiq should in the team instead of Ashraful... he needs a break i think... 2 years break will be helpfull for us.. coz we know another good innings from Ashraful will take another 2 years... so better we try other players...

so, 11 players for 4th Match should...

1.Nafis
2.Rajin
3.Aftab
4.Bashar
5.Pilot
6.Rana
7.Rafiq
8.Sujon
9.Mashrafee
10.Nazmul
11.Enamul

3 left handed spinner ha ha ha.. but Rafiq's batting is much much better than Ashraful... so, we should replace Asharaful by Rafiq..

What u ppl think ?

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 12:07 PM GMT, by ZaKi.

Zephaniah
January 26, 2005, 06:51 AM
My team:

1.Nafis Iqbal
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Md. Rafique
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Habibul Bashar
6. Md. Ashraful
7.Khaled Mashud
8.Manjarul Islam
9.Mashrafee Mortuza
10. Chacha
11.Tapash Baisya/ Nazmul Hossain


A) Middle order begs to instill some depth. To solve the jigsaw, if one of the openers goes early then Rafique comes at 3 as pinch hitter followed by Aftab, so we get Bashar at 5 and Ashraful at 6. Pilot comes at 7 as usual.

B) With Rafique bowling looks alright. Sorry to disappoint but Enamul has to make way for Rafique.

Finally...
This is a seriously depleted Zim side, with all honesty.

Win the match, Damn it!

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 12:21 AM GMT, by Zephaniah.

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 12:23 AM GMT, by Zephaniah.

Mr-khan
January 26, 2005, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by ZaKi
.... So, i think Rafiq should in the team instead of Ashraful... he needs a break i think... 2 years break will be helpfull for us.. coz we know another good innings from Ashraful will take another 2 years... so better we try other players...
What u ppl think ?
Edited on, January 26, 2005, 12:07 PM GMT, by ZaKi.
I dont agree.He is our best batsman after Bashar. He needs more chance.He just failed in 2 Odi.Same thing happened with Rajin also(1st 2 odi against India) but now he is our top scorer.I hope he will score in last 2 Odi.Another example: Aftab.He failed last 2 Odi but today he got run.So ashraful should target next 2 Odi to get back his form.If we drop him,he will lose his confidence.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 12:16 PM GMT, by mr-khan.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 12:17 PM GMT, by mr-khan.

Shish Ahmed
January 26, 2005, 08:21 AM
Only 1 change needed Rafiq in for Enam.

mahbubH
January 26, 2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by SHISH AHMED
Only 1 change needed Rafiq in for Enam.
Taposh may be a better option than Nazmul when you are playing with 5 batsmen.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 1:38 PM GMT, by sports_fan_bd.

Shish Ahmed
January 26, 2005, 09:58 AM
It depends what your looking for a few more runs from Tapash if his required to bat or more economical bowling from Nazmul. I watched Nazmul in UK and he does keep a very consistent line and length.

Fazal
January 26, 2005, 10:05 AM
Who are the major contributer in this game:

batting:
1) Rajin
2) Aftab
3) Nafis
4) Mashrafee ( keeping good run rate)

Bowling
1) Rana
2) Mashrafee
3) Nazmul

Who failed to contibute in this game?

Batting:
1) Ashraful
2) Rana
3) Pilot
4) ChaCha

Bowling:
1) Enamul


I am very worried about our middle order batsman who fails to excelerate run rate and falls like a pack of cards. Also we had a too long no-good tailenders in the batting order.

Rafique and Tapash instead of Enamul and ChaCha may help.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 3:34 PM GMT, by Fazal.
Reason: actually ChaCha contri something with the ball. so removing him from the 'not contributing list'

chinaman
January 26, 2005, 10:07 AM
Rafique and Tapash's inclusion in places of Enam and Nazmul would make it more like an all-batsmen team.

Irrespective of who's in and who's out, I think we need nothing short of a blazing desire and it's scripted execution if we like to win the next one. Without a doubt, Zims will stretch their limits for this one.

opu_87
January 26, 2005, 10:16 AM
i think bangladesh doing better than before because look at the past they have lost their ODI's against Zim and now they can win ODI against Zim its nothig hard for Bangalis. i have met Tapash Boisya at his sports shop in sylhet he said main thing about the wining is the coad who put his all hard work this is the result we have got. i hove he decide the right team for next 2 ODI, Good Luck Bangladesh we want to win the serise still chance left

Shish Ahmed
January 26, 2005, 10:51 AM
Opu 87,


What is Tapash shop's name???

Which location in Sylhet is his shop, main town i take it???

cricket_pagol
January 26, 2005, 11:03 AM
With rafique back in the team our lower order will be stronger... I guess enamul would have to make way for rafique at the moment. For long term, enamul and rafique should be in both ODI's and test. I would like to see taposh instead of nazmul... because of taposh's batting skills.

Ash's 158 was an amazing innings... I am hoping that he would come back in the next game.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by cricket_pagol
With rafique back in the team our lower order will be stronger... I guess enamul would have to make way for rafique at the moment. For long term, enamul and rafique should be in both ODI's and test. I would like to see taposh instead of nazmul... because of taposh's batting skills.

Ash's 158 was an amazing innings... I am hoping that he would come back in the next game.


like i predicted: "Enamul will, for the next few years, have the same fate as MacGill, except that he will have to make way for someone better than him."

CTazim
January 26, 2005, 11:18 AM
Well we have lost games after games with Rafique in it haven't we.. It does not matter whetehr Rafique is in or not.. It matters when the entire team does well. I think whether Rafique is included or not, middle order needs to realize that they cannot have an alll too familiar collapse.

But here's the catch22 situation. Say a wicket or 2 falls should Bangladesh batsmen play their natural game or should they play defensive? Either way we have seen BD collapse. So, what is the solution to this problem? Anyone care to comment?

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 11:25 AM
the solution lies in the mental approach taken to come out of a difficult situation. bangladeshi batsmen lack the mental toughness required to adapt to changing game conditions. it is the lack of self belief and confidence that does it for us all the time. only the players can help themselves come out of this - coaches and psychiatrists will be of very little help if we are looking for a permanent change in attitude.

cisco-guy
January 26, 2005, 11:30 AM
Need only 2 changes for the Dream team:
Rafiq instead of Enamul Jr
Tapash instaed of Nazmul

jeesh
January 26, 2005, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by SHISH AHMED
Only 1 change needed Rafiq in for Enam.
Yep that shud be the order. Just one change necessary. I feel Tapash should be rested for a while. The poor guy seems to have lost it.

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 11:53 AM
I would put in Rafiq&Taposh instead of nazmul&Rana. Enam will be more valuable as a bowler than Rana. The probability of Enamul succeeding with the ball in the next game is much higher than that of Rana.

I wouldn't play Nazmul & Enamul tegather again in one day. That breaks the backbone of any lower order batting resistance.

I would also think very seriously about giving a 1 game break for Ashraful just to make him sit and think. Sitting helps him. While he is sitting I won't tell him that this sitting is only for one game. Make him sweat.

For Ashraful's replacement I would bring in Rokon and test him out.

1. Nafis.
2. Rajin.
3. Aftab.
4. Bashar (He is clueless if he comes in too late)
5. Rafiq. (if early collapse 7th)
6. Pilot.(if singles needed, otherwise 8th)
7. Rokon
8. Mashrafee
9. Mahmud
10. Taposh
11. Enamul

I would try to use Rajin & Aftab's bowling in this game. With Enamul, Rafiq & Mashrafee we have enough attacking bowlers to replace Chacha for a genuine batsmen. If we could play Ashraful instead of Chacha that would be awesome. We would have 4 full time bowlers and 3 part time bowlers(Ash, Rajin, Aftab) to cover the 50 overs. We would have the best batting line-up BD ever had:

Rajin
Najis
Rafiq
Aftab
Bashar
Ashraful
Rokon
Mashrafee
Pilot
Taposh
Enamul

I don't think we can do much better than that.

(I didn't make this team using only my short term memory)



Edited on, January 26, 2005, 4:56 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

roaring tigerz
January 26, 2005, 12:40 PM
the only change i would make is bring in rafique in place of enam. before yesteryday's game i would have taken out rana and brought in rafique but rana's bowling performance makes him a sure selection. i think rafique would be perfect at no 6 and him shujon and mashrafee can give our total much needed momentum in the latter stages of the innings.also i would play ash at number 3 as i think he is trying to alter his style of play when he is coming in the middle overs. if he gets the chance to come in early maybe we will get to see more uninhibited play from him just like aftab did in the last match.

rajin
nafis
ashraful
bashar
aftab
rafique
mashud
rana
shujon
mashrafee
nazmul

cisco-guy
January 26, 2005, 01:01 PM
Looks good. However, I think we need Tapash (the perfect slogger) instead of Nazmul. We MUST win 4th ODI.

cisco-guy
January 26, 2005, 01:02 PM
Dream team:

rajin
nafis
ashraful
bashar
aftab
rafique
mashud
rana
shujon
mashrafee
tapashl

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by cisco-guy
Dream team:

rajin
nafis
ashraful
bashar
aftab
rafique
mashud
rana
shujon
mashrafee
tapashl

This dream team has short term memory that thinks Rana is a better bowler than Enamul.

Also, the weakest batting lineup in the world (including Kenya) goes in with 5 genuine batsmen? More nightmare than dream.

ZaKi
January 26, 2005, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Originally posted by cisco-guy
Dream team:

rajin
nafis
ashraful
bashar
aftab
rafique
mashud
rana
shujon
mashrafee
tapashl

This dream team has short term memory that thinks Rana is a better bowler than Enamul.

Also, the weakest batting lineup in the world (including Kenya) goes in with 5 genuine batsmen? More nightmare than dream.

Bangladesh er genuine batsmen r lower order batsmen sob ek... amon ki onek somoi bolwer rai top order/genuine batsmen der cheye beshi score kore... & avg korle mone hoi lower oder der oi beshi hobe... so koita genuine r koijon bolwer ta hiseb kore lav nai :P

Imtiaz
January 26, 2005, 01:18 PM
Are players going to be dropped because of one match ? What was Enamul's figures in the second match. We have short memories. What were people writing about Aftab before today ? Suddenly, it is all quite on the western front.

Remember when Warne came back, Macgill had to give way even though he took tons of wickets. The reason: Warne has more class and you have to back that.

Rana / Mahmud can be replaced by Rafique if he is fit. As Rana will not be dropped. I suppose Mahmud will go.

I will not drop Ashraful even though his irresponsibility drives me nuts. Again , you have to back class.

bangalee
January 26, 2005, 01:21 PM
as most of you mentioned the only change should be rafiq for enam. For Nazmul, i think he is okay at this moment as Tapash is not bowling well.

Ashraful score 42 in the first ODI and in last two ODIs he is just careless or over confident. He needs to get runs under his belt against Zim, which he hasn't done yet. It's unfortunate that ZIM still doesn't know How dangerous ASH can be. Well let's hope that ASH will rock in the next 2 games along with the whole team to win the series.

:fanflag:

cisco-guy
January 26, 2005, 01:31 PM
I believe after resting well for a while, Rafiq can do a good job just like Enamul did in last two matches. We need all rounders in ODI (we still can't fully depend on our batsmen all together) and both Rafiq/Tapash are kinda reliable in that category. After today's game, we need to get the momentum going for Rana. I am optimistic that Rana will do well in not only bowling but also in batting on the 4th ODI. As far as bowling is concerned, there is nothing wrong with Enamul. He is great but very poor in batting. Replacing Enamul/Nazmul with Rafiq/Tapash will give us much needed confidence that we sorely need in this very important 4th ODI match.

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 01:39 PM
ciscoguy said - we still can't fully depend on our batsmen all together

good point.

rafiq/rana/taposh/mashrafee will not only give us 40 overs they'll be like all-rounders.

Now that leaves us with chacha. Can ash/rajin/aftab take care of 10 overs so that we can bring in Rokon as our 6th batsman. That will be a huge boost for our batting line-up as Rokon knows he has a do or die situation for himself. Zimbabwe would feel weak in their knees remembering the "tandoblila" that Rokon performed on them a few days ago. Talk about mental edge...

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:41 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 01:44 PM
if Rana plays we can have Nazmul in. We can't have both enamul and nazmul as it kills any late runs.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:50 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

Ahmed_B
January 26, 2005, 01:47 PM
Nazmul was highly effective today.. just because he has the ability to keep sharply perfect line and length!

Well done..!

Fazal
January 26, 2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
I wouldn't play Nazmul & Enamul tegather again in one day. That breaks the backbone of any lower order batting resistance.


:up: Even though I hate to break the winning team, I think with our fragile middle order and Najmul and Enamul as tailenders, its too much too ask do the same miracle from our top three batsman again. The top 3 batsman not only scored soem runs, they scored with a decent run-rate of 5.00 that the middle and tail-enders failed to maintain.

Now what will happen if the top three fails to score some run with a good run rate? Another defeat.

DotBall
January 26, 2005, 02:15 PM
Here is my pick -->

1. Rajin
2. Nafis
3. Aftab
4. Bashar
5. Ashraful
6. Mashud
7. Rafique
8. Masri
9. Mahmud
10. Taposh
11. Enamul

Only change we need is bringing back Rafique. There is no point of playing 3 regular spinners in the ODI. Enam is a better bowler to leave out of the squad. That only leaves us with Rana; even though he bowled well in last game he is still not a well season spinner. I bet that if Rana plays in the 4th ODI the ZIM batsmen will punish him hard. So, lets bring Rafique for Rana.
I am indifferent about Taposh and Nazmul at this stage. Nazmul likes to keep his line and length but Taposh has more penetration capability (that costs him some runs too). I will go with Taposh this time.

Good luck to our team. :fanflag:

aftitabi
January 26, 2005, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by cisco-guy
Need only 2 changes for the Dream team:
Rafiq instead of Enamul Jr
Tapash instaed of Nazmul

What the hell Nazmul did wrong.:-/

Zephaniah
January 26, 2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
ciscoguy said - we still can't fully depend on our batsmen all together

good point.

rafiq/rana/taposh/mashrafee will not only give us 40 overs they'll be like all-rounders.

Now that leaves us with chacha. Can ash/rajin/aftab take care of 10 overs so that we can bring in Rokon as our 6th batsman. That will be a huge boost for our batting line-up as Rokon knows he has a do or die situation for himself. Zimbabwe would feel weak in their knees remembering the "tandoblila" that Rokon performed on them a few days ago. Talk about mental edge...

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:41 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

Batting, middle order depth to be precise, has to be absolutely pixel perfect for all important 4th ODI. If it were Chittagoan pitch i would not be advocating for Aftab's medium pace. But in Dhaka pitch, given it's tailor made according to our team selection, I think Aftab would do a good part-timer job along with Rajin (OB) perhaps.

I won't be feeling inspired with 5 specialist batsmen knowing if we lose the toss and chase we're doomed. So Rokon comes into picture, obviously at no 6 or at 7 if we use a pinch hitter at first down. I think Rana should stay regardless. Rafique comes in for Enam as we would like to use him as pinch hitter too. So the question arises, from the rest of the bunch who should get chopped to accomodate a 6th batsman. Mahmood? I need to think more....

Zephaniah
January 26, 2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
My team:

1.Nafis Iqbal
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Md. Rafique
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Habibul Bashar
6. Md. Ashraful
7.Khaled Mashud
8.Manjarul Islam
9.Mashrafee Mortuza
10. Chacha
11.Tapash Baisya/ Nazmul Hossain


A) Middle order begs to instill some depth. To solve the jigsaw, if one of the openers goes early then Rafique comes at 3 as pinch hitter followed by Aftab, so we get Bashar at 5 and Ashraful at 6. Pilot comes at 7 as usual.

B) With Rafique bowling looks alright. Sorry to disappoint but Enamul has to make way for Rafique.

Finally...
This is a seriously depleted Zim side, with all honesty.

Win the match, Damn it!

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 12:21 AM GMT, by Zephaniah.

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 12:23 AM GMT, by Zephaniah.

Ok. Just updated the team.

Bowling wise it looks alright to me....
Md. Rafique
Manjarul Islam
Mashrafee Mortuza
Chacha
Tapash Baisya/ Nazmul Hossain
+
Aftab & Rajin if necesary.

Batting wise, it looks deep with Bashar and Ash taking responsibility in the middle to late of the innings. Obviously if everything falls into place then Mashrafee can come to bat at 7 or 8.

cisco-guy
January 26, 2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by aftitabi
What the hell Nazmul did wrong.:

As I stated before, there is nothing wrong with Nazmul as far as Bowling is concerned. But he is not a slogger (Poor Bating rating). We need all-rounders to win the game. Just look athe scorecard of Aus vs. WI. Gillespie and Lee saved them. We need confidant all-rounders. Moreover, Tapash even had a hattrick in his resume. He was not bowling well in the ODIs cuz' he was injured. I think he is now fit for the game.

I also like the suggestion of including Al Shahriar. He sure made Zimbabwe's life miserable at the practice game. I have this gut ffeeling that he would be equally productine and a destroyer this time. He definitely has great credentials within our League matches. I just hope that Faruk Ahmed (Chief BD Selector) will consider him. Now, inclusion of Al Shariar will also create a problem. Whom do we replace if Al-Shariar is included? M I Rana is too good to be thrown out. Let's keep his momentum going for Rana. I think we can bring Al-Shahriar in replace of Chacha (Khaled Mahmud). That will give us a DREAM team like this:

1.Nafis Iqbal
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Md. Rafique
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Habibul Bashar
6. Md. Ashraful
7.Khaled Mashud
8. Al Shahriar
9.Manjarul Islam Rana
10.Mashrafee Mortuza
11.Tapash Baisya

So, here is the breakdown:

BATSMEN
-------------
1. Rajin Saleh
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Aftaf Ahmed
4. Ashraful
5. Bashar
6. Khaled Masud
7. Al-Shahriar

BOWLERS
-------------
1. Tapash
2. Mashrafe
3. Rafiq
4. Rana

All-Rounders (Hard Hitters/Sloggers)
----------------
1. Rafiq
2. Mashrafe
3. Tapash

Part-time BOWLERS
-------------------------
1. Aftab Ahmed
2. Ashraful
3. Rajin

Pagla_Baba
January 26, 2005, 09:35 PM
I wud give taposh a bit more rest. Nazu did quite a good job the other day. And raf can replace enam. Enam is good no offence but raf can bat better. And enam looks like a better test match bowler tome. Like u know warneee playing tests and Hogg playing ODIs.

amin
January 26, 2005, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by cisco-guy
Originally posted by aftitabi
What the hell Nazmul did wrong.:

As I stated before, there is nothing wrong with Nazmul as far as Bowling is concerned. But he is not a slogger (Poor Bating rating). We need all-rounders to win the game. Just look athe scorecard of Aus vs. WI. Gillespie and Lee saved them. We need confidant all-rounders. Moreover, Tapash even had a hattrick in his resume. He was not bowling well in the ODIs cuz' he was injured. I think he is now fit for the game.

I also like the suggestion of including Al Shahriar. He sure made Zimbabwe's life miserable at the practice game. I have this gut ffeeling that he would be equally productine and a destroyer this time. He definitely has great credentials within our League matches. I just hope that Faruk Ahmed (Chief BD Selector) will consider him. Now, inclusion of Al Shariar will also create a problem. Whom do we replace if Al-Shariar is included? M I Rana is too good to be thrown out. Let's keep his momentum going for Rana. I think we can bring Al-Shahriar in replace of Chacha (Khaled Mahmud). That will give us a DREAM team like this:

1.Nafis Iqbal
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Md. Rafique
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Habibul Bashar
6. Md. Ashraful
7.Khaled Mashud
8. Al Shahriar
9.Manjarul Islam Rana
10.Mashrafee Mortuza
11.Tapash Baisya

So, here is the breakdown:

BATSMEN
-------------
1. Rajin Saleh
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Aftaf Ahmed
4. Ashraful
5. Bashar
6. Khaled Masud
7. Al-Shahriar

BOWLERS
-------------
1. Tapash
2. Mashrafe
3. Rafiq
4. Rana

All-Rounders (Hard Hitters/Sloggers)
----------------
1. Rafiq
2. Mashrafe
3. Tapash

Part-time BOWLERS
-------------------------
1. Aftab Ahmed
2. Ashraful
3. Rajin
I am with u:great:

SunmAn
January 26, 2005, 09:46 PM
Being such an alrounder I rather pick nazmul for now rahter than pickin Tapos for 4th ODI. Nazmul will make more difference than Tapos. Nazmul is in good form. And give enamul a break and i'd put Rafiq in there so. we have up to No.10 who can literally BAT. Now the question is what do we do with ASH.....? Should we bring Rokon IN??