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AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 09:37 AM
huh? and the alok supporters? and the aftab bashers for that matter? what do you have to say for yourselves? ;)

Spitfire_x86
January 26, 2005, 11:04 AM
Herer's one "still Rana basher", and I never bashed Aftab hard.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 4:05 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 11:06 AM
man u sure have ba**s made of steel :)

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 4:06 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Sham
January 26, 2005, 11:30 AM
And what do i have to say for myself? I dont think i need to say anything for myself! Its Rana we are talking about so I'll say a few things about him! So now that Rana has taken a few wickets, he is what, let me guess, Bangladesh's best bowler ever? Crap! One should hardly be that impressed with ODI wickets, after all, its the batsmen that tend to get themselves out. However, he did bowl well and contributed greatly to our win, so I'll give him a day off. But the truth is, day before, it was Enamul, today it was Rana, day after it will be someone else that bowls a decent ODI spell and picks up a few wickets while they are at it. No need to go nuts about it.

Like I said before, if Rana can get into the side on the strength of his bowling as one of the bowlers, then I'm alright with it. We will have the added benefit of his batting. But should he be taking a batsman's spot in the side? Absolutely not! What did he do today? He killed the momentum our team had and then got out! He might have scored some good runs before, but he is not a batsman, its that simple. He can come in lower down the order and contribute some runs, especially when the top order fails, but thats about all we ought be expecting from him. After all, he has only three scores higher than 25 in ODI cricket and that hardly makes him a batsman, although some on this board would like to call him one!

Beamer
January 26, 2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Sham
And what do i have to say for myself? I dont think i need to say anything for myself! Its Rana we are talking about so I'll say a few things about him! So now that Rana has taken a few wickets, he is what, let me guess, Bangladesh's best bowler ever? Crap! One should hardly be that impressed with ODI wickets, after all, its the batsmen that tend to get themselves out. However, he did bowl well and contributed greatly to our win, so I'll give him a day off. But the truth is, day before, it was Enamul, today it was Rana, day after it will be someone else that bowls a decent ODI spell and picks up a few wickets while they are at it. No need to go nuts about it.

Like I said before, if Rana can get into the side on the strength of his bowling as one of the bowlers, then I'm alright with it. We will have the added benefit of his batting. But should he be taking a batsman's spot in the side?
Absolutely not! What did he do today? He killed the momentum our team had and then got out! He might have scored some good runs before, but he is not a batsman, its that simple. He can come in lower down the order and contribute some runs, especially when the top order fails, but thats about all we ought be expecting from him. After all, he has only three scores higher than 25 in ODI cricket and that hardly makes him a batsman, although some on this board would like to call him one!

Once again, you leave no room for disagreement. Its all nice and dandy if Rana is taken in the team as a bowler. But, if he comes in at no.6, like he did yesterday and did a pathetic job, then its a big problem. He takes too many balls. At that stage, he took 18 balls for his 6 or whatever and got out. He didn't play like a no.6 batsman as he can't. I have no problem with his bowling and if he makes in the team on strength of his bowling only, then I have no problem with it.

Mon
January 26, 2005, 12:14 PM
Rana hasn't proven his batting ability yet so I still support the inclusion of Alok kapali.
Alok is a SOLID allrounder. no question about it. his fileding, bowling, and batting is far more superior than that of Rana's.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Mon
Rana hasn't proven his batting ability yet so I still support the inclusion of Alok kapali.
Alok is a SOLID allrounder. no question about it. his fileding, bowling, and batting is far more superior than that of Rana's.

has HE proven it?

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 12:15 PM
to get someone to prove anything you have to let him play on a regular basis. kapali got the chance and did nothing. rana never got the chance at all.

Mon
January 26, 2005, 12:17 PM
Yes, in the local leagues! look at his stats. We cannot judge Alok's batting in just by one ODI match. If u look at his bowling in the 2nd ODI it was pretty good i would say.

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 12:17 PM
I have always been a Rana supporter. Look at my old threads.

But with the arrival of Enamul and the new found top order confidence have superceded anything Rana can do for us in the future. Yesterday's 4 wicket haul or the MOM doesn't change anything just like Aftab's 4 wickets didn't. Aftab had to prove himself as a batsman or as a bowler who is better than Taposh. He did the first one. We should keep rana in the 14 man team as he is a great utilityman. He can fit almost any role. But he shouldn't be in the 11 unless there is injury in the bowling departement.

He should definitely go to the England tour too. As we can't send injury replacements quickly and he can take care of a lot of diffent weaknesses. On top of that he has the experience of playing in a league there.

I admire this fighter.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Mon
Yes, in the local leagues! look at his stats. We cannot judge Alok's batting in just by one ODI match. If u look at his bowling in the 2nd ODI it was pretty good i would say.

has he proved it in international cricket?

Sham
January 26, 2005, 12:28 PM
Because he has a 3 point advantage in averages after 16 games out of which he has 4 not out scores? Give me a break!

Lets see who Kapali has scored against. A 49 and a 45 against Australia in 4 matches, a brilliant 89 not out against South Africa, a 71 against WI, a couple of very good 60s against Pakistan. And Rana is better because he has a 63 against Zimbabwe in 98 balls? I don't understand how someone can even compare the two in terms of their batting!

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 12:29 PM
kapali USED to be good. he is worse than anyone on the team right now.

he may come back after proving himself in the A team for quite a period of time.

Sham
January 26, 2005, 12:34 PM
Yeah he is going through a prolongued slump in form. And I am not suggesting that he should be in the team right now. But that doesn't make Rana a better batsman than him. Rana also has a higher ODI average than Ashraful. Is he therefore better than Ashraful as a batsman? The point I am trying to make is, Kapali is a head and a shoulder above Rana when it comes to batting ability, and when he finally gets out of this stupid slump, he will make that abundantly clear. To even suggest that Rana is a better batsman is nothing short of a travesty.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 12:38 PM
i was never suggesting that rana is a better batsman than alok in general. however, considering recent form, he is more effective than alok, although his bat hasn't clicked in this series.

reyme
January 26, 2005, 12:42 PM
Like it or not, right now, rana is more effective than alok. PERIOD.

reyme
January 26, 2005, 12:42 PM
If you want to argue for the sake of argue, just analyze their avg for ODI and TEST. Rana beats comfortably Alok in each category. Alok might be a successful batsmen against minnow bowlers in the premier league, but in ODI is has consistently showed inconsistent or poor show.

Just review the records and they speak for themselves. PEACE. :D

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 5:45 PM GMT, by reyme.

Ahmed_B
January 26, 2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i was never suggesting that rana is a better batsman than alok in general. however, considering recent form, he is more effective than alok, although his bat hasn't clicked in this series.
You almost make it as clear as daylight.. even though I am not sure if you yourself see the real point.

When the team looks for an extra batsman.. Alok will always be prefered over Rana.

Likewise.. when the team looks for an extra bowler Rana will be prefered over Alok!

It's not as straightforward as 'Rana is Better than Alok' or the reverse!....It's very much dependant on what the team actually needs at any point! I hope you dont mix up that factor.

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:05 PM
Reyme, I don't think Kapali has been all that inconsistent. Since his slump started, he has been pretty poor throughout. But I did look at their records, and I looked a little past their averages. Kapali has scored runs against quality opposition, not just "minnow bowlers in the premier league" as you put it. As a matter of fact, the innings against South Africa was one of the best ODI innings played by a Bangladeshi batsman in my opinion. Rana's only half century in ODIs is a 63 in 98 balls against Zimbabwe. I am willing to concede the point about their current effectiveness, given Kapali has played pretty woefully recently. But once again, to suggest that Rana is a better batsman because he has higher ODI average is downright silly.

Imtiaz
January 26, 2005, 01:05 PM
I suppose I could be considered a Rana "basher" and I have not changed my opinion one iota.

He is not a middle order batsman by a long shot. If he is going to be included as a batsman, I would rather he went in earlier as his defence is reasonable. But whichever position he plays in, runs will dry up as he is not a good "rotator" because of his limitations as a batsman.

Even though, this is not the subject of this thread but this point should be made: Bangladesh lose out by not sending Mashud at No.6. He is a cool-headed "rotator" and an under-rated "hitter" when it matters.

Rana supporters compare him with Enamul. There is no comparison. They are not fighting for the same place ! Rana occupies the so-called all-rounders spot, like Mahmud and Mushfiq when he was selected. Enamul is a specialist bowler.

When Rafique returns, he will simply take Rana's position as in a one day match I will have Rafique any day as an explosive batsman who can turn a side's position. I hope there is no comparison between their bowling merits.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:06 PM GMT, by Imtiaz.

Imtiaz
January 26, 2005, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Yeah he is going through a prolongued slump in form. And I am not suggesting that he should be in the team right now. But that doesn't make Rana a better batsman than him. Rana also has a higher ODI average than Ashraful. Is he therefore better than Ashraful as a batsman? The point I am trying to make is, Kapali is a head and a shoulder above Rana when it comes to batting ability, and when he finally gets out of this stupid slump, he will make that abundantly clear. To even suggest that Rana is a better batsman is nothing short of a travesty.

I will go one further. He is not even a batsman ! That is why sending him at No.6 adds pressure on everyone else.

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 01:11 PM
Rana is in the team because we don't have anyone better. Just as Rana should justify his inclusion as a bowler, Alok should justify his position as a batsman, NOT AS A BOWLER! How many chances should he be given? 10, 20, 100, 100000000000000000? BS! If he is good he should show it! Style my foot!!! Players should be in the team based on their contribution........I saw many a one shouting for Mahmud's head..........If some one out performs Rana then let him be in the team. We should not give a damn about perceived talent! AND HOW MANY WORLD CLASS PLAYERS DO WE HAVE? I wish we have have hayden, tendulkar, flintoff, mcgrath! But we don't have them! The selectors are doing a great job with whatever resources we have! Let's thank them!

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:13 PM
Mashud should be batting at six in this side. He is the only BD batsman who knows how to build a one-day innings. Even when the boundaries dry up, Mashud scores at a run a ball, and yes, he can also hit a few.

Also, you are right about Rafique taking Rana's place. Thats the spot Rana is occupying right now and logically, it should go back to Rafique in the next match. However, if the selectors feel that Rana has done enough with the ball to justify a bowling place, then they may wish to take him instead of one of the bowlers that played today. But we have to think of this logically. If Enamul gets left out, that doesn't mean Rafique has replaced Enamul, although the effect is that. It would be Rafique replacing Rana, and then Rana replacing Enamul! Or atleast, thats how it ought to be in the selectors' minds. As for whether Rana should replace Enamul, I don't think we should even have that debate.

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Imtiaz

He is a cool-headed "rotator" and an under-rated "hitter" when it matters.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:06 PM GMT, by Imtiaz.

have you seen Khaled Mashud bat? Have you followed Khaled Mashud's batting? he is not a rotator of strike! He is either in grafting mood or in a dashing mood.........no seecond gear!

But I agree he is far better than Rana as a batsman! But he is no way an ideal no 6! Among all our batsmen only Alok showed some glimpses to have some talent to be an ideal no.6. But now it seems like a distant memory!!

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:17 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:19 PM
are you talking about Khaled Mashud or Mahmud? He is either a grafter or a dasher? The 23 of 25 balls in the second ODI without a single boundary hit, was that the grafter or the dasher? And thats just one of many examples I could give. I don't know what you are talking about!!

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:22 PM GMT, by Sham.

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Sham
are you talking about Khaled Mashud or Mahmud? He is either a grafter or a dasher? I don't know what you are talking about!!

I'm talking aboput Khaled Mashud Pilot and am following him since he was pretty new in the team. If you don't have any idea about that it is probably because you have not seen him bat enough! The only reason he is being sent down the order is that he finds it very difficult to shift the gear! AND CHECK HIS CARRER STRIKE RATE IN ONE INTERNATINALS!

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:24 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:25 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Ahmed_B
January 26, 2005, 01:27 PM
Optimist... probably you should collect some video of Pilot's batting and watch them once more..

Thats the worst evaluation of his battig I have ever seen! :duh:
Because one of the BEST aspects of his batting is that the scorebord is never stagnant whenever Pilot is on with his bat!

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:28 PM
His career strike rate is low because most of the time, he is forced to graft because our team is like at 32 for 5 and someone needs to get us past 100, which is Mashud more often than not. That doesn't mean he is either a grafter or a dasher. I have been following his career since it started as well, or atleast since the 1995 Asia Cup in Sharjah, so I know a thing or two about Mashud as well.

Beamer
January 26, 2005, 01:33 PM
On batting ability alone, there shouldn't be any comparison between Alok and Rana. Period. Avg, effectiveness are separate issues. Having Rana coming in at a crucial spot like no.6 is a receipe for disaster specially when we have Pilot in the squad. To me, a no.6 cannot use up 3 overs for 6 runs.
Actually, as a batsman Rana should come around at no.9 after Taposh or before Nazmul/ Enamul. You just can't hide him anywhere. Our 1,2,3 are doing an excellent job in terms of run rate and keeping wkts. They are giving us good one day starts. In the middle order, you can't put him as he can't rotate. He can't replace rafiq, masri or tapash as he can't accelerate or slog. It leaves him before Enamul or Nazmul. If he comes in as a pure bowler, that is fine. But we have better spinners than him already in Enam and rafiq. Only scenario where rana can be valuable is if we have a bad start. He is quite able to stick around and perfect his "playing and missing" abilities to the test and use up some overs to give the innings some sort of respectibility. His bowling performance yesterday was good but not enough to dislodge Enam and Rafiq.

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Sham
His career strike rate is low because most of the time, he is forced to graft because our team is like at 32 for 5 and someone needs to get us past 100, which is Mashud more often than not. That doesn't mean he is either a grafter or a dasher. I have been following his career since it started as well, or atleast since the 1995 Asia Cup in Sharjah, so I know a thing or two about Mashud as well.

I knew this is the explanation that you will come up with! But his average of 20 with the bat and coupled with 53 strike rate does not say much about him as a batsman either! I have seen him come up the order and watched how out of depth he looks like! I am a big fan of him but he is by no means a good no 6! He is best at no 7 in both test and one dayers!

Beamer
January 26, 2005, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Optimist
Originally posted by Imtiaz

He is a cool-headed "rotator" and an under-rated "hitter" when it matters.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:06 PM GMT, by Imtiaz.

have you seen Khaled Mashud bat? Have you followed Khaled Mashud's batting? he is not a rotator of strike! He is either in grafting mood or in a dashing mood.........no seecond gear!

But I agree he is far better than Rana as a batsman! But he is no way an ideal no 6! Among all our batsmen only Alok showed some glimpses to have some talent to be an ideal no.6. But now it seems like a distant memory!!

I respectfully disagree with my friend Optimist here. Pilot is probably the best no.6 we have in this squad. He has been rotating brilliantly in recent times. His 50 against India was a classic example of that. He ticked the board along then gave some lasty blows, albeit in a losing cause. All of his recent innings have been run-a-ball innings or not outs. Given more time, if he comes in at no.6, he will do much better than Rana. No question about that.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:17 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:41 PM
Well, I wasn't trying to be imaginative with the explanation, just trying to tell it as it is. You may have expected it, but it doesn't make it any less valid. You may say that Mashud is not good enough to bat at six, and i agree with you. I have always said, we should take a batsman at six and play Mashud at seven. But if we pick the side that played today, then there is no one better in the side that Mashud to bat at six. Not Rana, not Mahmud and not Mashrafe! But what I cant agree with is the description of Mashud as either a grafter or a dasher!

Ahmed_B
January 26, 2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Optimist
AND CHECK HIS CARRER STRIKE RATE IN ONE INTERNATINALS!
Another perfect example of how deceiving Stats can be sometimes!!

There is a very CLEAR division in Pilot's batting career... and he only highly improved his batting performance in last 2 and half years or so... If you are a regular follower of Pilot... u r surely not supposed to miss that. For this fact.. his 'Career Average/Strikerate' does not represent his current abilities in any way at all!! If you dont believe me.. you can, yourself, divide his batting-career-statistics and judge them seperately between these two periods... and you may be surprised yourself!

By the way.. he doesn't bat at no. 6 coz ha has poor strike-rate... rather he is kept there because he is the only person who can take responsibility right after the so-well-known BD Top+Middle-order collaps!!

Just done some stat-search on him:
he got 1000+ runs in both for of the game.

TESTS: 1102 runs
Career Ave.(33 matches): 20.03
Recent Ave.(Last 15 matches): 23.84
ODI: 1312 runs
Career Ave.(91 matches): 19.58
Recent Ave.(Last 30 matches): 23.85

could not find out the Strike-rates.. but i am sure they will show his improvement as well..








Edited on, January 26, 2005, 7:16 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.
Reason: Add Stats

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
On batting ability alone, there shouldn't be any comparison between Alok and Rana. Period. Avg, effectiveness are separate issues. Having Rana coming in at a crucial spot like no.6 is a receipe for disaster specially when we have Pilot in the squad. To me, a no.6 cannot use up 3 overs for 6 runs.
Actually, as a batsman Rana should come around at no.9 after Taposh or before Nazmul/ Enamul. You just can't hide him anywhere. Our 1,2,3 are doing an excellent job in terms of run rate and keeping wkts. They are giving us good one day starts. In the middle order, you can't put him as he can't rotate. He can't replace rafiq, masri or tapash as he can't accelerate or slog. It leaves him before Enamul or Nazmul. If he comes in as a pure bowler, that is fine. But we have better spinners than him already in Enam and rafiq. Only scenario where rana can be valuable is if we have a bad start. He is quite able to stick around and perfect his "playing and missing" abilities to the test and use up some overs to give the innings some sort of respectibility. His bowling performance yesterday was good but not enough to dislodge Enam and Rafiq.

I agree with you mostly! And I'm not a fan of Rana! But look carefully into our scoreboard! The most common feature of our batting is collapse! Masri, Taposh, Mahmood usually gets plenty of time for their mini cameos. Now the selectors have to think what is the best the team can get from the eleven they select! I have no doubt no 6 should go to someone who is capable of getting into the team as batsmen alone! But don't forget that it is one of the toughest place to bat! India did not have one for so long!!! England did not have one until Flintoff! I don't think we have one either! Alok showed some glimpses, but how many more chances he would need?

Sham
January 26, 2005, 01:48 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head with the Rana position. As for his play and miss abilities, thats only a third of his batting. I actually used to be a Rana fan, till I watched him last summer and then again this winter against India. He plays and misses at 5 balls, then he awkwardly defends the next five, and then he gets one short and wide which he cuts away to the boundry. And then back again to playing and missing at five. Like I said before, he is quite simply the ugliest batsman in the world, and I used to think Chanderpaul would take some beating!!

I am not saying that Alok should be in the side because he is more stylish. I am not saying Alok should be in at all. But we need to play a batsman at 6, Rokon, Tushar, Alok, hell, they can even bring back Nannu if they want, but not a bowler, which is all that Rana is.

pagol-chagol
January 26, 2005, 01:52 PM
Exactly, Number 6 must have all 5 gears. Rana only has the 1st and the 2nd gear and a great break. Thats good for a a heavy fork-lifter, not for a highway car.

DotBall
January 26, 2005, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
huh? and the alok supporters? and the aftab bashers for that matter? what do you have to say for yourselves? ;) :down:

These posts are very annoying.
Do you really think one game will change the perception of a player?
Unfortunately, that's how we (banglai) go about our business, and so does our players.
Only the consistency of a player will tell us whether he is worthy or not.

bd_cricket
January 26, 2005, 02:02 PM
Why they are not giving a chance to Rokon or Tushar, specially Rokon who scored quickest century in the practice match against Zim - even though that was a four day game. Rokon could be better than anybody available (Alok, Rana) with his current form.

Beamer
January 26, 2005, 02:03 PM
That is the dillema that is staring at the selectors. I don't really fault them. We don't have a no.6 in this team. We are going with five batsmen every game and hoping for the best. Tushar Imran showed some glimpse. He had decent avg and good strike rate. Kapali had his fair share of time as well. Given the situation that we are in, Pilot seems to be the only one who can do that job better than anyone, specially for this squad.

I think, we should still take six batsman every game. You have to follow the intl formula if you want to be successful. Preferably someone who can bowl pretty well as well. I still give Kapali a few more shots. His bowling and fielding is a such big plus. We have Rajin bowling pretty well as well. Four specialst bowler will complete the squad with Mashud at no.7.

Fazal
January 26, 2005, 02:04 PM
why ask why? Specially to all those deaf people who already made up their mind one reason or other.

Optimist
January 26, 2005, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
You have to follow the intl formula if you want to be successful

Don't agree with this part! We have to see what composition will give us the best result! If we don't have a no. 6 then we will have to see if we can do better with a bowler or not! A half-no 6 will not give us the ability to chase 240+. But a good bowler may ensure the score is within a gettable one!

To me pilot is the ideal no 7! Push him up the order and there is a possibility that you will mess up his form! Remember Alok lost his touch when we pushed him to no. 5!

Beamer
January 26, 2005, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Optimist
Originally posted by Beamer
You have to follow the intl formula if you want to be successful

Don't agree with this part! We have to see what composition will give us the best result! If we don't have a no. 6 then we will have to see if we can do better with a bowler or not! A half-no 6 will not give us the ability to chase 240+. But a good bowler may ensure the score is within a gettable one!

To me pilot is the ideal no 7! Push him up the order and there is a possibility that you will mess up his form! Remember Alok lost his touch when we pushed him to no. 5!

Maybe so. But, we do have the best bowling line in our short history. We have three excellent bowlers in Rafiq, Enam and Masri. Few good bowlers among Tapash and Nazmul. Rana, Chacha fill in the servicable spot. Because of the strength of our bowling, this is the best time to try and find a no.6 who can bowl as well. Batting is doing better than before as well, though it can improve a lot more. This side is more balanced than all the previous ones. In light of that, finding a no.6 is hightime now. Remember we stacked the side with players like Rana, Mushfiq, Chacha because we were neither good in batting nor in bowling. I will be the happiest if we can get a great all rounder who can do both equally well and on merit as a batsman can come play at no.6.

AsifEminem
January 26, 2005, 02:47 PM
*sigh*

shobi-i to bujhlam..........kintu biraler golay ghonta badhbe ke??.......who will bell the cat??

:duh:



SHABBA!!

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by DotBall
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
huh? and the alok supporters? and the aftab bashers for that matter? what do you have to say for yourselves? ;) :down:

These posts are very annoying.
Do you really think one game will change the perception of a player?
Unfortunately, that's how we (banglai) go about our business, and so does our players.
Only the consistency of a player will tell us whether he is worthy or not.

no. the problem with us Bangalis is how easily we get excited...what's the use of emoticons if ppl dont get the light heartedness behind the posts?

Faisal
January 26, 2005, 04:07 PM
rana sux big time... he doesnt know how to bat.. god knows how het get few runs like 8, 14, 18 .. and bowling??? what kinda bowler he is spinner? midume pacer??? lol if he is spinner then why dont his bowl turn??? only god knows how he get 4 wicket... lol.. nyways may be it was his lucky day.. thats all.. but rana didnt serve to be best 11.... no & never!!

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 04:09 PM
who cares abt his style as long as the performance is there?

mahbubH
January 26, 2005, 04:21 PM
if he is spinner then why dont his bowl turn???


If he can get wickets without turning the ball why does he need to turn the ball?

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd

if he is spinner then why dont his bowl turn???


If he can get wickets without turning the ball why does he need to turn the ball?

it's more like chehara pochondo hoy nai dekhe gali dawa :)

like females would prefer afridi over jayasuriya :lol:

Sham
January 26, 2005, 05:13 PM
Rana bowls flat quick cutters that can turn out to be quite useful in one-dayers when the other side is looking to score runs. But he isn't a traditional spinner by any stretch of the imagination. He is in the Kumble mold, but not in the Kumble class obviously. So I can still see why they take him in ODIs, not at number 6 though, but why on earth they pick him for Test cricket is another baffler!

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 05:17 PM
why they pick him for test cricket is a baffler indeed. he is only fit for odi's, and only when there's no replacement of course

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 05:19 PM
right now, we have no option but to include him.

comparing him to alok is a joke - alok is a gonner for the time being

Bat-PadTogether
January 26, 2005, 05:32 PM
This is all about cricket friends!It was Ranas day today.He shined with the cherry today and took the all important catch in the deep to dismiss Taibu of Mashrafee.But Alok Kapali is far better batsmen than Rana.I have seen Rana couple of times,as far his batting is concern it sucks!Thats true that Mashud is the only batsmen in our side who can rotate the strike.Most of our batsmen often plays for too many shots in the air.We have to work hard to take singles and rotate the strike which is very important in ODI.Three left arm spinners in a side(Rafique/Rana/Enamul(Jr.)!!!!!!! Just wondering what would be our final XI in the remaining matches?:fanflag:

Zephaniah
January 26, 2005, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Optimist
Originally posted by Sham
are you talking about Khaled Mashud or Mahmud? He is either a grafter or a dasher? I don't know what you are talking about!!

I'm talking aboput Khaled Mashud Pilot and am following him since he was pretty new in the team. If you don't have any idea about that it is probably because you have not seen him bat enough! The only reason he is being sent down the order is that he finds it very difficult to shift the gear! AND CHECK HIS CARRER STRIKE RATE IN ONE INTERNATINALS!

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:24 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 6:25 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Sorry Optimist. I had to poke my nose here. I have been following Pilot's career even before his international debut in mid 90's as we used to hang out together with common friends during early 90's when i used t live in Dhaka. Do you actually know Pilot used to be considered as top order bat for all conquering 'Abahani' in early 90's. For few matches he even opened with 'Samarasekara', probebly the most prolific batsman of premiere cricket history. In case you're about to play down the quality of cricket at that time Nail Fairbrother ( the best ODI finisher at tat time) was the no.4 for Abahani and other teams are filled with international stars too - from Chetan Sharma to Arvind de Silva and Ilahi Bthothers to Arjuna Ranatunga!

Now why Pilot's average went pier shaped even though he was considered reasonably good bat in domestic cricket? Firstly I think, barring initial period of time when he has to concentrate on keeping more to brush off so called wicketkeeper-batsman like Jahangir Alam, who could not catch anything that comes to his way even with a fish-net but happens to be a half-decent bat in pre-ODI era. Now arises the question of wicketkeeper-batsman. Has pilot been ever, till todate, given a role in the team to contribute with the bat? Like he was quoted as saying recently that the team should not be expecting runs from him regularly. And rightly so. He plays in the team as wicketkeeper but fortunately scores runs every now and then. If the think tank want to use him as wicketkeeper bat (in ODIs only) who comes at no.6, i think, he has already played so many quality innings to establish him ready for the role.

As for his average one should remember the concept of wicketkeepers contributing with bats did exist untill late 90's when the one day format game become more competitive. Kalu in 1996 was successful but that was a fluke that luckily stretched far too long for SL. I guess i can safely say untill the rise of A. Gilcrist the concept of wicket keeper batsman has never been on agenda. Pilot's ability to rotate strike will make him a good candidate for no. 6.

Now why I want Pilot to come at 6? 'cause I want a dashing batsman to come at no 7! :)

Pagla_Baba
January 26, 2005, 09:16 PM
Rana is good. he needs to work on his batting more. I mean need to score singles frequently and need to score more 4s if batting at no 6. He must learn to not to waste deliveries.

cricket_pagol
January 27, 2005, 02:46 AM
I know that rana bowled well in the 2nd and 3rd ODI, but he needs to be much more consistent in his bowling if he wants to be a regular. A bit and pieces bowler would only succeed occasionally... I would still prefer genuine bowlers like enamul haq jr in the team.

I would suspect that enamul would be dropped for the fourth ODI, if rafique comes back. I guess he needs to mature a little bit.

Ahmed_B
January 27, 2005, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
right now, we have no option but to include him.

comparing him to alok is a joke - alok is a gonner for the time being
I hope u realize that both Alok & Rana r having opportunities because Rafiq is not there. The moment he comes back.. both of them r probably out. (Considering Enamul wont be dropped after just one bad match.)

This is the sole reason for Alok/Rana not finding a place in the team in recent times. Because since the India Series, we have had some new & really dependable entries in the team: Nafis/Aftab/Mashrafee... which almost has filled out the vaccumes in the team.. leaving no room for 'half-chance' players.

Optimist
January 27, 2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Zephaniah

Sorry Optimist. I had to poke my nose here. I have been following Pilot's career even before his international debut in mid 90's as we used to hang out together with common friends during early 90's when i used t live in Dhaka. Do you actually know Pilot used to be considered as top order bat for all conquering 'Abahani' in early 90's. For few matches he even opened with 'Samarasekara', probebly the most prolific batsman of premiere cricket history. In case you're about to play down the quality of cricket at that time Nail Fairbrother ( the best ODI finisher at tat time) was the no.4 for Abahani and other teams are filled with international stars too - from Chetan Sharma to Arvind de Silva and Ilahi Bthothers to Arjuna Ranatunga!

Now why Pilot's average went pier shaped even though he was considered reasonably good bat in domestic cricket? Firstly I think, barring initial period of time when he has to concentrate on keeping more to brush off so called wicketkeeper-batsman like Jahangir Alam, who could not catch anything that comes to his way even with a fish-net but happens to be a half-decent bat in pre-ODI era. Now arises the question of wicketkeeper-batsman. Has pilot been ever, till todate, given a role in the team to contribute with the bat? Like he was quoted as saying recently that the team should not be expecting runs from him regularly. And rightly so. He plays in the team as wicketkeeper but fortunately scores runs every now and then. If the think tank want to use him as wicketkeeper bat (in ODIs only) who comes at no.6, i think, he has already played so many quality innings to establish him ready for the role.

As for his average one should remember the concept of wicketkeepers contributing with bats did exist untill late 90's when the one day format game become more competitive. Kalu in 1996 was successful but that was a fluke that luckily stretched far too long for SL. I guess i can safely say untill the rise of A. Gilcrist the concept of wicket keeper batsman has never been on agenda. Pilot's ability to rotate strike will make him a good candidate for no. 6.

Now why I want Pilot to come at 6? 'cause I want a dashing batsman to come at no 7! :)

Nothing to be sorry about, you are entitled to your opinion. FYI I have seen numerous premier league matches from late 80's to mid 90's. Some times I was in the stadium when there were not more than 100 spectators in the whole arena. I have seen them all play at BNS.........Ranatunga, Jayasuriya, Aravinda, Wasim, Neil Fairbrother and offcourse the great Samara! I have seen Samara hitting the bowlers out of the park, I have seen Akram cut down on his pace since the keeper can't collect his bowl, I have seen Fairbrother, Akram and Lipu carry Abahoni; I have seen Aminul Islam taking Mohammedan passed some unbelievable Abahoni totals! Some of my friends who were regular in the stadium during those times also visit this site!


Please check the stats of Rodney Marsh, Alan Knott, Alec Stewart and ofcourse Jeff Dujon and tell me if the concept of wicket-keeper batsmen is new!!! With due respect your opinion about "fortunately he makes some runs" does not make any sense!


Now why I want him to bat at no. 7? Because he will be considered world class at that position. However at no. 6 he will probably be a candidate for the worst no. 6 among test playing countries. In case you don't know, he came to bat at no. 6 agsinst India in the first test. Check the result..........I know it was just one match!

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 3:46 PM GMT, by Optimist.

Shish Ahmed
January 27, 2005, 10:43 AM
Enam is more suited to bowling in Tests. He likes to experiment i.e use the crease which causes him to bowl no-balls. In a 10 over spell there is no room to experiment.

We must bare this in mind when his playing in ODI's, which will make him less effective, although a world class player should be able to play both
forms of cricket.

His not world class just yet.





His not just world classs yet