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paco
January 26, 2005, 03:08 PM
In the 104 ODI matches we've played so far, there have been 43 unique combinations of openers, with Shahriar/Mehrab being the most successful. Here are the stats ..

Pair Matches Runs Avg HS LS 100 50 0

Shahriar Hossain/Mehrab Hossain 7 266 38.0 170 0 1 1 2
Javed Omar/Al Shahriar 7 196 28.0 103 0 1 1 1
Javed Omar/Shahriar Hossain 6 176 29.3 77 2 2
Athar Ali Khan/Mohammed Rafique 4 155 38.8 137 0 1 1
Javed Omar/Mehrab Hossain 4 151 37.8 88 1 1
Nafis Iqbal/Rajin Saleh 4 136 34.0 58 13 1
Al Shahriar/Hannan Sarkar 7 111 15.9 33 0 1
Hannan Sarkar/Manjurul Islam Rana 1 105 105.0 105 105 1
Javed Omar/Mohd Ashraful 5 102 20.4 48 7
Athar Ali Khan/Shahriar Hossain 3 93 31.0 55 3 1
Athar Ali Khan/Naimur Rahman 3 91 30.3 76 2 1
Al Shahriar/Mohd Ashraful 4 81 20.3 38 13
Javed Omar/Habibul Bashar 2 58 29.0 33 25
Habibul Bashar/Hannan Sarkar 1 43 43.0 43 43
Athar Ali Khan/Javed Omar 2 42 21.0 30 12
Javed Omar/Hannan Sarkar 2 41 20.5 37 4
Hannan Sarkar/Mohd Ashraful 4 39 9.8 19 1
Mehrab Hossain/Mohd Ashraful 3 33 11.0 16 2
Azhar Hossain/Faruq Ahmed 1 30 30.0 30 30
Nurul Abedin/Raquibul Hassan 2 29 14.5 26 3
Anwar Hossain/Ehsanul Haque 1 29 29.0 29 29
Alok Kapali/Hannan Sarkar 1 27 27.0 27 27
Al Shahriar/Ehsanul Haque 3 22 7.3 19 0 1
Azhar Hossain/Zahid Razzak 2 21 10.5 11 10
Habibul Bashar/Mohd Ashraful 3 18 6.0 10 3
Hannan Sarkar/Nafis Iqbal 2 17 8.5 16 1
Javed Omar/Mohd Rafique 1 15 15.0 15 15
Alok Kapali/Shahriar Hossain 1 14 14.0 14 14
Mohd Rafique/Nafis Iqbal 2 12 6.0 11 1
Khaled Mahmud/Mehrab Hossain 1 10 10.0 10 10
Azhar Hossain/Nurul Abedin 2 9 4.5 8 1
Hannan Sarkar/Khaled Mashud 1 9 9.0 9 9
Khaled Mashud/Mehrab Hossain 1 6 6.0 6 6
Hannan Sarkar/Moniruzzaman 1 6 6.0 6 6
Mohd Ashraful/Rajin Saleh 2 6 3.0 6 0 1
Javed Omar/Rafiqul Islam 1 5 5.0 5 5
Athar Ali Khan/Sajjad Ahmed 1 4 4.0 4 4
Aftab Ahmed/Javed Omar 1 4 4.0 4 4
Athar Ali Khan/Sanwar Hossain 1 2 2.0 2 2
Azhar Hossain/Harunur Rashid 1 1 1.0 1 1
Faruq Ahmed/Harunur Rashid 1 1 1.0 1 1
Nafis Iqbal/Javed Omar 1 1 1.0 1 1
Manjurul Islam Rana/Shahriar Hossain 1 0 0.0 0 0 1


Edited on, January 26, 2005, 8:09 PM GMT, by paco.

Mahir
January 26, 2005, 05:09 PM
a very essential compilation of stats for those who are really focusing on the issue of Bangladesh's opening pair in ODIs.

I think it is an undoubted fact that Shahriar and Mehrab had combined to form the most effective partnership for Bangladesh in ODIs statistically and realistically. Although Nafees and Rajin are getting their acts right in quick fashion too.

Edited on, January 26, 2005, 10:11 PM GMT, by MasterBlaster.

AsifTheManRahman
January 26, 2005, 05:10 PM
they were the best openers we had, along with athar ali. unfortunately, we lost them.

Pagla_Baba
January 26, 2005, 09:03 PM
:up: thanx for the stat mate.

Mahir
January 27, 2005, 03:02 PM
to PACO, who opened this thread :

The way Nafees and Rajin are going, I think the BD fans wouldnt put a lot of brain in thinking what Shahriar and Mehrab. But without a doubt, from my perspective, Shahriar and Mehrab still stand as the best opening partnership BD has ever had.

Anyone disagrees ?

akabir77
January 27, 2005, 03:04 PM
best payer i agree but to me best opener till now is ather ali

Bangla Mostan
January 27, 2005, 03:30 PM
a very well researched and well documented stat on the opening batsmen, very well done indeed man.:clap:

pagol-chagol
January 27, 2005, 03:37 PM
sharhriar mehrab

7 games 266 runs highest 170.
Take out that highest score and
they got 6 games 96 runs average is 16.

Based on one game you are calling them the best openning pair ever.

CASE CLOSED.

pagol-chagol
January 27, 2005, 03:46 PM
Except Hannan-rokon and nafis-rajin almost all other top pairs had 1 large innings that made their aveages almost double.

These two pairs seem to be more consistant.

If you take out that one highest score their averages beome very small.

shahriar mehrab 16
javed rokon 15.5
javed shahriar 19.8
athar rofik 6
javed mehrab 21
nafis rajin 26
rokon hannan 13
hannan rana #DIV/0!
javed ashraful 13.5

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 8:49 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

Edited on, January 27, 2005, 9:01 PM GMT, by pagol-chagol.

Zunaid
January 27, 2005, 03:47 PM
An interesting twist on the above very illustrative analysis would be to somehow do a few additional layers of qualitative analysis.

For example:

Can we normalize the opener stats with respect to quality of opposition faced? A seemingly high/low average might be colored by the opponents faced.

What was the scoring rate? Were some pair too conservative batting second regardless of the score that needed to be overhauled. So the opening partnership may have been good but useless for the team.

I am not trying to skew an evaluation of BD best openers to conform to any biases I might have. In fact, I have none.

Just wondering as to how best to evaluate good openers that suit our needs. For example, JO figures quite high and a number of times. Is he a good ODI opener?

pagol-chagol
January 27, 2005, 04:00 PM
The large list was sorted from highest to lowest total runs. Naturally Javed had more games and therefore more likely to be in the top pairs more times than others.

As far as normalizing oppenents and situation adjustments, its not hard to do but probably not worth it for this issue. In general the law of large numbers takes care of that. Here, however, the number of games are not large enough for any pairs. So, I am sure, to judge who was the best we need to do what you said. Even that is probably not enough. Probably the fairest thing to say would be - " We never had a best pair ".

As far as who are the most consistant. Rajin-Nafis have already taken a small lead. Lets hope for great days ahead...

songsoptok
January 28, 2005, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
sharhriar mehrab

7 games 266 runs highest 170.
Take out that highest score and
they got 6 games 96 runs average is 16.

Based on one game you are calling them the best openning pair ever.

CASE CLOSED.

Thank you. This is the way to calculate.

May be Nafis-Rajin has enough consistency than others. Although hard to agree that they are the best.

Shehwar
January 28, 2005, 05:13 AM
Thanx for the stats....And yeah...to me they were the best pair not only cuz the stats say so but also becuz they were real gifted players...Shahriar Hossain in particular was some one who cud play all the shots in the book both sides of the wicket and cud go over the top to take advantage of the first 15 overs...Opee too was a real talent wasted.....As for now....Rajin is doing perfectly awright though I'm not entirely convinced with Nafees in the ODI arena...

PS: Athar Ali was the best ever opener we ever had....He technique was flawless !:fanflag:

Mr-khan
January 28, 2005, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Shehwar
...Shahriar Hossain in particular was some one who cud play all the shots in the book both sides of the wicket and cud go over the top to take advantage of the first 15 overs...
:up:

howzatt!
January 28, 2005, 05:47 AM
nice stats. but i really hope nafees and rajin's pair become the best for the sake of BD cricket.

Sam
January 28, 2005, 06:16 AM
Itís really a good thread indeed. I also liked the post by pagol-chagol with the Avge. without considering the best innings.
But in line with Zunaid I also want to mention that we have to judge the pairs according to the prevailing situation. The pair scoring on the flat pitch of Dhaka or Chittagong cannot be equal to the pair scoring on a green pitch in Christchurch, for example. In another case, the pairís scoring against deadly pacers like Brett Lee, Jason Gillespie or against the lethal in-swingers from left armed pacer like Pedro Collins, Irfan Pathan cannot be same the pairís scoring against toothless attack by Mpofu or Hondo.

Sam
January 28, 2005, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by howzatt!
nice stats. but i really hope nafees and rajin's pair become the best for the sake of BD cricket.
We hope that they will prove it against the coming series against visitting Sri Lanka also.

little_master
January 28, 2005, 10:02 AM
In the 104 ODI matches we've played so far, there have been 43 unique combinations of openers, with Shahriar/Mehrab being the most successful. Here are the stats ..


<pre style="font-family:Lucida Console; font-size:10;">

Pair Matches Runs Avg HS LS 100 50 0

Shahriar Hossain/Mehrab Hossain 7 266 38.0 170 0 1 1 2
Javed Omar/Al Shahriar 7 196 28.0 103 0 1 1 1
Javed Omar/Shahriar Hossain 6 176 29.3 77 2 2
Athar Ali Khan/Mohammed Rafique 4 155 38.8 137 0 1 1
Javed Omar/Mehrab Hossain 4 151 37.8 88 1 1
Nafis Iqbal/Rajin Saleh 4 136 34.0 58 13 1
Al Shahriar/Hannan Sarkar 7 111 15.9 33 0 1
Hannan Sarkar/Manjurul Islam Rana 1 105 105.0 105 105 1
Javed Omar/Mohd Ashraful 5 102 20.4 48 7
Athar Ali Khan/Shahriar Hossain 3 93 31.0 55 3 1
Athar Ali Khan/Naimur Rahman 3 91 30.3 76 2 1
Al Shahriar/Mohd Ashraful 4 81 20.3 38 13
Javed Omar/Habibul Bashar 2 58 29.0 33 25
Habibul Bashar/Hannan Sarkar 1 43 43.0 43 43
Athar Ali Khan/Javed Omar 2 42 21.0 30 12
Javed Omar/Hannan Sarkar 2 41 20.5 37 4
Hannan Sarkar/Mohd Ashraful 4 39 9.8 19 1
Mehrab Hossain/Mohd Ashraful 3 33 11.0 16 2
Azhar Hossain/Faruq Ahmed 1 30 30.0 30 30
Nurul Abedin/Raquibul Hassan 2 29 14.5 26 3
Anwar Hossain/Ehsanul Haque 1 29 29.0 29 29
Alok Kapali/Hannan Sarkar 1 27 27.0 27 27
Al Shahriar/Ehsanul Haque 3 22 7.3 19 0 1
Azhar Hossain/Zahid Razzak 2 21 10.5 11 10
Habibul Bashar/Mohd Ashraful 3 18 6.0 10 3
Hannan Sarkar/Nafis Iqbal 2 17 8.5 16 1
Javed Omar/Mohd Rafique 1 15 15.0 15 15
Alok Kapali/Shahriar Hossain 1 14 14.0 14 14
Mohd Rafique/Nafis Iqbal 2 12 6.0 11 1
Khaled Mahmud/Mehrab Hossain 1 10 10.0 10 10
Azhar Hossain/Nurul Abedin 2 9 4.5 8 1
Hannan Sarkar/Khaled Mashud 1 9 9.0 9 9
Khaled Mashud/Mehrab Hossain 1 6 6.0 6 6
Hannan Sarkar/Moniruzzaman 1 6 6.0 6 6
Mohd Ashraful/Rajin Saleh 2 6 3.0 6 0 1
Javed Omar/Rafiqul Islam 1 5 5.0 5 5
Athar Ali Khan/Sajjad Ahmed 1 4 4.0 4 4
Aftab Ahmed/Javed Omar 1 4 4.0 4 4
Athar Ali Khan/Sanwar Hossain 1 2 2.0 2 2
Azhar Hossain/Harunur Rashid 1 1 1.0 1 1
Faruq Ahmed/Harunur Rashid 1 1 1.0 1 1
Nafis Iqbal/Javed Omar 1 1 1.0 1 1
Manjurul Islam Rana/Shahriar Hossain1 0 0.0 0 0 1

</pre>


edited for good-looking table
- little_master


Edited on, January 28, 2005, 3:15 PM GMT, by little_master.

little_master
January 28, 2005, 10:30 AM
<b>Strike rate should be considered in ODI! </b>

Strike rate should be introduced to this table.
then we would understand the effectiveness of opening pair too.
Hannan/Manjurul Rana made a 105 pair. But surely they were to slow.
They used up 27.2 overs to made that. (and BD was allout at 183.)

Ahmed_B
January 28, 2005, 11:26 AM
There can be another factor to be consiered..

Before we attained Test-Status... we used to play against quality Opponents quite less frequently. But later on(after Test-Status), we started having regular Home & Away Series -each of which included ODI series as well.

Partnerships in these later Series show the recent picture of our opening condition more.

After long-sustained problems in our Opening-pair.. this Nafis-Rajin duo has really been a great relief!(even though they still got long way to go to prove their real strength). The inclusion of Nafis & also Rajin's very recent batting-reformation has clicked into a great prospect for the Team! :up:

Edited on, January 28, 2005, 4:28 PM GMT, by crickethorizon.