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pagol-chagol
January 29, 2005, 12:19 PM
Play Enamul for Mahmud

Our SLA are killing them. Runs are drying up too. In the 3rd ODI they scored on Jr. But, that was an exception to what has been consistently happenning - Jr. domination.With rana rafiq enam we can tie them down below 110 runs in 30 overs. Other 20 overs on Mashrafee, Taposh, Rajin will be the only time they could attack.

Also, Taposh back in for Nazmul (if no injury). I don't want nazmul and Jr. together.

I am still gloating for calling Mahmud at 9th and Rana for 10th in the batting lineup. I didn't think they would come to their senses on that.

nafis rajin aftab basher ashraful pilot
mashrafee rafiq rana taposh enamul

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 12:24 PM
i want Rafiq Rana & Enamul in the final team... thats all

Special 1
January 29, 2005, 12:30 PM
Enamul shouldnt be played in the oneday team
We need a bowler who can bat. Our bowling is pretty decent, but not our batting.

Sham
January 29, 2005, 12:34 PM
I would rather leave Mahmud out and take another batsman! We'll need it, especially if we have to chase!

I don't see any problem with Aftab doing what Mahmud is doing right now! Yeah, we will be a bowler short, but there is no reason why we cant expect Rajin to bowl 6-7 overs and slip in 5 overs from Aftab in the middle with the field spread out. As long as we have the specialist bowlers to bowl the first 15 and last 10 (and don't have to rely on one of the part-timers to bowl in the slog overs), I don't think we'll miss Mahmud all that much. Today, Mahmud only bowled 4 overs. We don't need him in the team to bowl 4 overs. Aftab could have bowled those four overs just as well today and we could have had another batsman!

Of course, I am writing this knowing only too well how this might turn into another thread about how useless Kapali is. Well, I don't care who we pick as the sixth batsman, but since we can probably only select from the squad that has been announced, Kapali is our only choice. I'd rather have him than have Mahmud at this point, and Kapali gives us another bowling option as well anyway.

Sham
January 29, 2005, 12:37 PM
I think three left-arm spinner in the time might be a bit much. Although Enamul is a different type of bowler to Rana and Rafique, he will always be more prone to getting hit, mainly because he tosses it up more, perfect for Test cricket and not so much for one dayers.

I actually like this idea of leaving Enamul out of ODI cricket. I would rather he only knows how to bowl the way he does now, flighting the ball and turning it, rather than having to learn to bowl in one-dayers where he will have to get a little flatter and quicker. I dont ever want to see Enamul bowl defensive!

Mr-khan
January 29, 2005, 12:40 PM
Drop rana,nafis and pilot.;)

little_master
January 29, 2005, 12:40 PM
We are playing with 5 batsmen
One short
we could try ROKON/TUSHAR
But the selector did not want that....

pagol-chagol
January 29, 2005, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Sham
I would rather leave Mahmud out and take another batsman! We'll need it, especially if we have to chase!

I don't see any problem with Aftab doing what Mahmud is doing right now! Yeah, we will be a bowler short, but there is no reason why we cant expect Rajin to bowl 6-7 overs and slip in 5 overs from Aftab in the middle with the field spread out. As long as we have the specialist bowlers to bowl the first 15 and last 10 (and don't have to rely on one of the part-timers to bowl in the slog overs), I don't think we'll miss Mahmud all that much. Today, Mahmud only bowled 4 overs. We don't need him in the team to bowl 4 overs. Aftab could have bowled those four overs just as well today and we could have had another batsman!

Of course, I am writing this knowing only too well how this might turn into another thread about how useless Kapali is. Well, I don't care who we pick as the sixth batsman, but since we can probably only select from the squad that has been announced, Kapali is our only choice. I'd rather have him than have Mahmud at this point, and Kapali gives us another bowling option as well anyway.

You are right on the 6th batsman. I would prefer a batsman too. (ROKON) But, I can't trust Kapali for this game. Its just toooooo important.

I see your point on why we should let Enamul grow on tests only.

On the other hand we have to get him ready before Rafiq needs a cane. Rafiq's daughter looked 10-12 year old on NTV news.

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 01:02 PM
i want to try something different.. thats why i told 3 left handed spinner... Rafiq,Enamul,Rana all played well some matches.....So, if we try all of them then possibilty bare oder ke kom run e book korer...so, i prefer Enamul instead of Sujon...

As we all know Zimbabwe er batting line up oder Bowling line up er cheye valo... so i think extra spinner will more helpfull for us... & So far our batting is ok....main kotha holo amader batsmen der wicket throgh kora cholbe nah... taholei easily amader bastmen ra 250-260 runs korte pare Zimbabwe er ei mora bowling line up er against e.....

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 01:09 PM
today all spinners bowled well... but that doesn't mean that always all spinner do well.... we saw oneday Rafiq bolwed well... next day Enamul... & next day Rana.... so if we try all of them then obossoi 3 joner modhdhe 2 joner valo day asha kortei pari amra...

& u have to play 6 batsmen 1 wicket keeper 2 fast bolwer 2 spinner...>> thats not a rule... u have to think... what strategy more helpfull for ur team....

damal
January 29, 2005, 01:35 PM
May be it seems crazy, but lets try,

Aftab Can Open Bowling with Mash . So, Easily we can pick Enamul in the place of Najmul.

Rafiq can bowl very well in the first 15 overs. If Aftab can not bowl well as an openning bowler Rafiq can be the first change.

Ehsan
January 29, 2005, 01:42 PM
Enamul should not play, he gets hit all over the ground in ODIs. And if we keep playing all the spinners then Zimb. would get comfortable and their batsmen would settle in, which we should not let happen.

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by ehsan
Enamul should not play, he gets hit all over the ground in ODIs. And if we keep playing all the spinners then Zimb. would get comfortable and their batsmen would settle in, which we should not let happen.

lol, Enamul played only 2 ODIs.... & 1st one was excellent.... but in the 2nd ODI he couldn't bolwed well...by only 1 bad match u can't say he isn't suitable for ODIs....when he took 18 wickets in 2 test match....

Mr-khan
January 29, 2005, 02:05 PM
Keep the same team.No need to change.Rafiq bowled well and got 4 wickets so no chance for Enamul.So Rafiq and Manja are enough against Zim batting attack.I prefer taposh over Mahmud.Taposh can bat well.But it will be better if the selectors keep the same team.

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 02:07 PM
2nd ODI ::

Bowling O M R W
Mashrafe 9 1 41 0
Tapash 6 0 33 0
Mahmud 8 0 35 1
Rana 9 0 46 0
Enamul 10 0 37 2
Rajin 8 0 39 1


3rd ODI::

Bowling O M R W
Mashrafe 8.5 0 38 2
Nazmul 9 0 34 2
Rana 10 0 34 4
Mahmud 10 0 42 2
Enamul 10 1 53 0

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 02:11 PM
what does this stat means ? Enamul bowled well in 2nd ODI where Rana was not good at all in that match... but in the 3rd ODI Rana was good & Enamul was opposit... ha ha ha...

Sham
January 29, 2005, 02:13 PM
To go even further, Enamul didn't bowl all that badly in the third ODI. He probably would have finished up giving away about 42-45 runs but the batsmen got a couple of lucky edges that went for four in the last two overs. But yeah, to make any sort of claim regarding Enamul after just two matches is awfully premature.

Mr-khan
January 29, 2005, 02:17 PM
Amra joto e team select kori na keno but ami sure j last Odi te same team thakbe ar 1 ta change holeo hote pare, ota hobe surprise change like India ar sathe 3rd odi ar moton.May be Shanto,Mushfik,Hannan or kapali back korbe.

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 02:22 PM
aber surprise change korle ami soja Selector der khun korbo :lol:

Mr-khan
January 29, 2005, 02:24 PM
My prediction abt surprise change :Shanto,Mushfiq,Hannan,Kapali,G.M Prince,Fafuq,mr-khan;)

ZaKi
January 29, 2005, 02:31 PM
mr-khan jodi Zimbabwe ke khan khan kore felto paro then mind korbo nah... noito tomake amiii maira khan khan koira felbo ;)

habfreak
January 29, 2005, 02:41 PM
No change man....who changes a winning combination...tigers all the way...can't wait for monday.

shaoun
January 29, 2005, 04:38 PM
for next team i think only one change should be made which is taposh in for nazmul. besides that the team should stay the same. if we have taposh we will have 11 players who can bat. khaled mahmud should be in the team. just bc he performed badly in one match doesnt mean we can afford to drop him in the series decider. we all know he can be a match winner.

Sadrul
January 29, 2005, 04:41 PM
Enamul should not play the 5th one. We should replace Shujon with Rokon.

Sadrul

Ehsan
January 29, 2005, 04:55 PM
My bad that I labelled Enamul as "expensive" solely based on the 3rd ODI. :)

But playing 3 spinners and just TWO pacers is insane. Yes, Enamul was brilliant in his begining overs of the 3rd ODI. But remember that ball banging incident? He is still not mature enough. But thats not just the reason for him not to be in for the 5th ODI, its because we need players with some batting skills, therefore I don't really see him in the team. Tapash should also replace Nazmul as well.

Edited on, January 29, 2005, 9:56 PM GMT, by ehsan.

Navarene
January 29, 2005, 05:08 PM
I would love to see only one change in this winning combination: Tapash in, Nazmul out.

Bangla Mostan
January 29, 2005, 05:34 PM
make only one change bring taposh in and nazmul out..dont want to tamper with the winning team too much..delicate situation at the moment

BD Tigers
January 29, 2005, 05:47 PM
chacha is important enough to play the deciding game. I'd pick Tapash instead of Nazmul because of his experience and batting. If we have to chase we need all the batting we can. Rafiq & Rana are doing well. We dont have a good No. 6 batsman yet. So stick w/ the team u have now and have Pilot play at the No. 6 position. It worked well.

Go Tigers :fanflag:

BangladeshFan
January 29, 2005, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by BD Tigers
chacha is important enough to play the deciding game. I'd pick Tapash instead of Nazmul because of his experience and batting. If we have to chase we need all the batting we can. Rafiq & Rana are doing well. We dont have a good No. 6 batsman yet. So stick w/ the team u have now and have Pilot play at the No. 6 position. It worked well.

Go Tigers :fanflag:

i agree. sujon is important. just because he got out for a duck and didnt bowl well in one ODI doesnt mean he is to be thrown out. He usually comes up with important wickets, bowling wicket to wicket is important in ODIs and specially to batsmen who are trying to hit out. Also he can throw the bat well in late overs,............. i think the best idea will be to keep the same team......... but maybe try rafiq /mashrafi up the order if situation demands.

reyme
January 29, 2005, 06:36 PM
1. Tapash is recovering from injury I guess, he has been giving away too many runs, so still opting for Nazmul.

2. Mahmud's place is secured, no point of arguing. His bowling is more effective than Rajin and Aftab in this pitch.

Shahriar could have come, but cant bowl, and not in the squad. And I guess we are tired of Kapali's hit, miss and failure. Mahmud is more valuable than Kapali, dont know why some people are dying for Kapali. Wishful thinking I guess, good that it will come true tomorrow.

Lets go for same result with same team.

Edited on, January 29, 2005, 11:45 PM GMT, by reyme.

cisco-guy
January 29, 2005, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Navarene
I would love to see only one change in this winning combination: Tapash in, Nazmul out.

100% agree with you.
We only need this single change:
Tapash in while Nazmul out.

Enamul will not be playing. He is the Captain for the BD A team start touring tomorrow (according to Faruk Ahmed).

cisco-guy
January 29, 2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by reyme
1. Tapash is recovering from injury I guess, he has been giving away too many runs, so still opting for Nazmul.


Nazmul was not effective today. He also gave plenty of runs. Tapash had a good history of taking wkts at the Bangabondhu Stadium. This pitch suits him very well.

reyme
January 29, 2005, 06:47 PM
I like Tapash as well, but I have a feeling that he is injured and not 100% fit. But if he is 100% I would go for Tapash as well.

cisco-guy
January 29, 2005, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by reyme
I like Tapash as well, but I have a feeling that he is injured and not 100% fit. But if he is 100% I would go for Tapash as well.

Ok, got it, thanks!

If Tapsh is unfit, then Nazmul is the man to go with this time.
Nazmul did play well at the end today (6 in 7 balls). Poor guy never gets a chance to bat longer than 10 mins :(

bourny3
January 29, 2005, 09:50 PM
Same team. But maybe Tapash for Nazmul.

Shehwar
January 30, 2005, 03:57 AM
U know wot....I'm a great chacha fan.....I alwayz want him to do well....But seeing the pitch bahave the way it did in the last match...I'd rather have Enamul Junior in place of him.....I just get the feelin' the Zimbabweans don't really know how to handle the spinners in the middle overs....Just imagine if Rafique turns the bowl square, (usually not a big turner of the ball!)...Wot wud Enamul Junior do?....So..for me...only one change..Junior in place of Chacha..But then again..thats my way of lookin at things.....:fanflag:

SS
January 30, 2005, 12:27 PM
Now we playing with only 4 specialist batsmen!!! three all rounders...even we have no option I guess tapash should play instead of nazmul...kapali has such a bad form that he won't succeed

Mr-khan
January 30, 2005, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by mr-khan
Amra joto e team select kori na keno but ami sure j last Odi te same team thakbe ar 1 ta change holeo hote pare, ota hobe surprise change like India ar sathe 3rd odi ar moton.May be Shanto,Mushfik,Hannan or kapali back korbe.
Surprise change:- Kapali

cisco-guy
January 30, 2005, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by mr-khan
Originally posted by mr-khan
Amra joto e team select kori na keno but ami sure j last Odi te same team thakbe ar 1 ta change holeo hote pare, ota hobe surprise change like India ar sathe 3rd odi ar moton.May be Shanto,Mushfik,Hannan or kapali back korbe.
Surprise change:- Kapali

We have 4 solid Batsmen (high expectation from Ash):

1. Nafis
2. Ash
3. Aftab
4. Bashar

For the Middle Orders:

5. Masud
6. Kapali

Masud is playing great cricket.
Plenty of pressure on Kapali now. He has great stats and this is his last chance to prove and contribute.

For the Tail Enders, we have

7. Masrafee
8. Rafique
9. Rana
10. Mahmud

Each of them are fully capable of taking the Team to victory.

Not to expect much:

11. Nazmul

We will WIN :fanflag::fire:

ZaKi
January 30, 2005, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by mr-khan
Originally posted by mr-khan
Amra joto e team select kori na keno but ami sure j last Odi te same team thakbe ar 1 ta change holeo hote pare, ota hobe surprise change like India ar sathe 3rd odi ar moton.May be Shanto,Mushfik,Hannan or kapali back korbe.
Surprise change:- Kapali

& oi ODI er result mone ase ? :umm:

Mr-khan
January 30, 2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by ZaKi
Originally posted by mr-khan
Originally posted by mr-khan
Amra joto e team select kori na keno but ami sure j last Odi te same team thakbe ar 1 ta change holeo hote pare, ota hobe surprise change like India ar sathe 3rd odi ar moton.May be Shanto,Mushfik,Hannan or kapali back korbe.
Surprise change:- Kapali

& oi ODI er result mone ase ? :umm:
Ha mone ase but arekta Batsman ache j kina specialist opener and my fav player Shahriar hossain j kina Kapali theke 1000% better.Bechara retire korse.Jodi ore surprise change kore anto tao kharap chilo na.

BD Tigers
January 30, 2005, 02:45 PM
We have 4 solid Batsmen (high expectation from Ash):

1. Nafis
2. Ash
3. Aftab
4. Bashar

For the Middle Orders:

5. Masud
6. Kapali

Masud is playing great cricket.
Plenty of pressure on Kapali now. He has great stats and this is his last chance to prove and contribute.

For the Tail Enders, we have

7. Masrafee
8. Rafique
9. Rana
10. Mahmud

Each of them are fully capable of taking the Team to victory.

Not to expect much:

11. Nazmul

We will WIN :fanflag::fire: [/quote]

Where is Rajin in your list???? Currently he's in best of form.

Mahir
January 30, 2005, 02:50 PM
Rajin is injured. He wont play the 5th ODI. Instead, it has been confirmed that Alok comes in his place.

sham1980
January 30, 2005, 03:04 PM
1. Nafis
2. Alok
3. Aftab
4. Bashar
5. Ashraful
6. Masud
7. Mashrafe
8. Mahmud
9. Rafique
10. Rana
11. Tapash


That is 11 that will play I think some key things selectors are thinking about who will open I dont think it will be Rana as they wanan attacking player as Rajin has done, I think Alok will open?? then as usual Aftab, Bashar, Ash, Masud, the it could be anything depending on what the match situation. The great thing is all of them can score runs.

I want to see Tapash in place of Nazmul, in terms pf bowling Nazmul aint that better than Tapash, but tapash offers you runs with the bat which can be see so cruicial.

pagol-chagol
January 30, 2005, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Play Enamul for Mahmud

Our SLA are killing them. Runs are drying up too. In the 3rd ODI they scored on Jr. But, that was an exception to what has been consistently happenning - Jr. domination.With rana rafiq enam we can tie them down below 110 runs in 30 overs. Other 20 overs on Mashrafee, Taposh, Rajin will be the only time they could attack.

Also, Taposh back in for Nazmul (if no injury). I don't want nazmul and Jr. together.

I am still gloating for calling Mahmud at 9th and Rana for 10th in the batting lineup. I didn't think they would come to their senses on that.

nafis rajin aftab basher ashraful pilot
mashrafee rafiq rana taposh enamul

Should I start charging them consulting fee.
I called Enamul.

YES.

ZaKi
January 31, 2005, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by ZaKi
i want to try something different.. thats why i told 3 left handed spinner... Rafiq,Enamul,Rana all played well some matches.....So, if we try all of them then possibilty bare oder ke kom run e book korer...so, i prefer Enamul instead of Sujon...

As we all know Zimbabwe er batting line up oder Bowling line up er cheye valo... so i think extra spinner will more helpfull for us... & So far our batting is ok....main kotha holo amader batsmen der wicket throgh kora cholbe nah... taholei easily amader bastmen ra 250-260 runs korte pare Zimbabwe er ei mora bowling line up er against e.....

This is what i told after last ODI.... Thx selectors... they did what i wanted... & we got 30-3-94-5 from 3 left handed spinner...:great::great::great::great::great:

ZaKi
January 31, 2005, 03:11 AM
pagol-chagol amio tomer dol e chilam :D