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nsd3
March 16, 2005, 07:51 PM
I think the final 14 for england tour would be like this (1st 11 is by batting order):

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Shujan
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Mashrafi
10) Tapash
11) Enamul Jr

Reason: 3 pacers, 2 Spinners, 1 Wk Keeper, 5 Batsmen are in team strategy; Javed was overlooked to have Shujan to accommodate a medium pacer (eng condition), who is currently doing well with the bat as well - true all rounder at number 6.

Stand By:
1) Pacer - Nazmul (Rajib could be in A team for Eng)
2) Spinner - Rana
3) Batsman - Tushar Imran (has been in A team for quite a while and performed well).

I would agree with some of the members : Shahin, Rosel, Golam, Mehrab Jnr.....they should get a chance at A team first.

couger
March 16, 2005, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by nsd3
I think the final 14 for england tour would be like this (1st 11 is by batting order):

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Shujan
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Mashrafi
10) Tapash
11) Enamul Jr

Reason: 3 pacers, 2 Spinners, 1 Wk Keeper, 5 Batsmen are in team strategy; Javed was overlooked to have Shujan to accommodate a medium pacer (eng condition), who is currently doing well with the bat as well - true all rounder at number 6.



Bad mistake. We need a genuine opener. Javed's the only one who's proven he can stay in the middle for long periods. This'll hurt us.

couger
March 16, 2005, 08:50 PM
Oh I'm sorry is this your own selection or is this official? I thaught it was final.

amra_korbo_joy
March 17, 2005, 12:31 AM
nsd3
I agree with the 1st eleven.

Rubu
March 17, 2005, 12:38 AM
i would not take the risk of opening test with rajin. we do need a genuin opener. and at this point, its JO. if he fails once again in england, we might think of someone else. and would keep sujon out of test squad. aftab can be that 3rd seamer if we need it.

jabbar
March 17, 2005, 02:05 AM
Have i seen this thread somewhere else...?

cricket_pagla
March 17, 2005, 09:56 AM
:flag:

1) Nafis
2) Ashraful
3) Bashar
4) Aftab
5) Rajin
6) Rana
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Mashrafi
10) Tapash
11) Enamul Jr / Nazmul

12) T. Imran

Edited on, March 17, 2005, 2:58 PM GMT, by cricket_pagla.

Fazal
March 17, 2005, 10:22 AM
I will select the following team with the goal of a draw:

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Tushar Imran
7) Pilot
8) Rana/Shujan
9) Rafiq
10) Mashrafi
11) Tapash/Enamul Jr

Note: (Rana & Tapash) or (Shujon & Enamul Jr) combination

Edited on, March 17, 2005, 3:30 PM GMT, by Fazal.
Reason: changed my mind

couger
March 17, 2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Fazal
I will select the following team with the goal of a draw:

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Tushar Imran
7) Pilot
8) Rana/Shujan
9) Rafiq
10) Mashrafi
11) Tapash/Enamul Jr

Note: (Rana & Tapash) or (Shujon & Enamul Jr) combination

Edited on, March 17, 2005, 3:30 PM GMT, by Fazal.
Reason: changed my mind

You'll need at least a second if not a third seamer for English conditions. So, perhaps Taposh should get the nod ahead of Enamul.

Fazal
March 17, 2005, 11:53 AM
My seamers are Mashrafi, Aftab and (Tapash or Shujan:D)
I am not sure how effective Enamul will be. So may be with Rana and Taposh (instead of Shujon & Enamul Jr).
I think Aftab can be pretty effective as the 3rd seamer. If you don't consider Aftab as the 3rd seamer, then we need to take ChaCha instead of Rana.

So basically we will have Mashrafee, Tapash, Rafique, Rana and Aftab to bowl. Plus Ashraful for few overs.

The goal of this team is only one thing: to squeeze a draw.

However I am pretty sure that will not be the team though ...:P

little_master
March 17, 2005, 11:53 AM
I would not agree to take Khaled Mahmud in test squad.

Ahmed_B
March 17, 2005, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
My seamers are Mashrafi, Aftab and (Tapash or Shujan:D)...
Tapash or Shujan?! :-/

Since when did Tapash go down to Sujan's level??
Tapash is Confirmed... unless any injury!

By the way... are we talking about Test 11 or ODI 11?

cricketboy
March 17, 2005, 01:45 PM
Man why do you want to take Sujon. Even Aftab is a better bowler than him. :embaressed: Mashrafe is also a better allrounder than him. :D

2007WcSemifinalist
March 17, 2005, 07:13 PM
i wouldn't consider Rana in test team. he can't even get wickets in NCL 4 dayers. for odi, he is proven

rana
March 17, 2005, 08:16 PM
1) JAVED
2) Nafis
3) Rajin
4) Bashar
5) Ashraful
6) Aftab
7) Tushar Imran
8) Pilot
9 )Rana
10)Rafiq
10) Mashrafi
11) Tapash/Enamul Jr:fanflag:

shovon13
March 18, 2005, 12:57 AM
well fazal has a point with his team. his team's goal is to squeeze out a draw, so he maxed out the number of batsmen and also took bowlers that can contain the run rate.

nsd3
March 18, 2005, 03:47 AM
Based on many of our ideas, it seems the revised 14 for Tests should look like this (1st 11 by batting order):

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Tushar
7) Rana
8) Pilot
9) Rafiq
10) Mashrafi
11) Tapash

Standby: Pacer: Nazmul (no question on him as yet)
Spinner: Enamul Jr (There was question on his inclusion on final 11 given the Eng condition)
Batsman: Since Tushar is in final 11 now, genuine batsman from A team could be...not sure. Any idea?.

Biggest Q: Why not Javed, Shujan? Only 2 have shown support for Javed so far. There were some disinterest on taking Shujan as well. Shujan might be tried in ODIs. Javed can become the standby batsman. This is all because of the strategy that may give us desired result. Javed might just fall out of that equation for now. He might come back when strategy will change for different condition and different opponent, who knows!

Mr-khan
March 18, 2005, 05:57 AM
My team for test:
Nafis
Rajin
Aftab
Bashar
Ashraful
Tushar
Pilot
Rafiq
Mashrafee
Taposh
Sahadat/Talha/Nazmul

We dont need 2 spinners because it will be bouncy wicket.Rafiq is enough.
After 1st test : Enam in and (Sahadat/talha/Nazmul) out if English batsman cant play against Rafiq.

No place for Javed because his tecnique is not suitable against English bowling attack.He is our best batsman against Zimbabwe,Kenya but not against any reguler test playing nations.He can stay in wicket for a long time and saved us against Zimbabwe in last test but in England we have to play in different wicket and his batting tecnique will not work there.

Tushar as 6th batsman because he played before in national team and scored regulerly for "A" team.He has experience.

Rubu
March 18, 2005, 12:05 PM
everyone has their own team, so here is mine:

1. Rajin Saleh
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Manjarul Rana
7. Khaled Masud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Mashrafee Mortoza
10. Taposh Baisha
11. Nazmul Hossain

whatmore's multi scale theory in effect. i see many people included tushar imran. batting wise, i think rana is better than him. he had proven time and time again that he is a crisis man. number 6 is a good position for him. his bowling is a plus, a big one though. is there a batsman lacking? not really, upto 10th position (taposh) all of them can bat. we can consider rafique and masri both as allrounders. not a problem. but this team will have a much stronger bowling attack, which most of u didnot focused on. if we are to have a chance, bowling need to be good as well. nazmul's swing is something we can't miss in england. masri is a must, and taposh is the dark horse, we've to have. only problem is, rajin is not a specialist opener. but since we can't play 12 men there, don't see a way for Javed to play. really can't think of a better composition of the team.

Edited on, March 18, 2005, 5:07 PM GMT, by AgentSmith.

cricketboy
March 18, 2005, 01:50 PM
My team:
Javed
Nafis
Bashar
Ashraful
Rajin
Aftab
Pilot
Rafique
Mashrafe
Tapash
Shahadat

Extra players: Nazmul, Enamul, Tushar Imran

crazyisland
March 18, 2005, 02:28 PM
Who do you call a "genuin opener" ? Someone who is opening for a long time but failing or someone who has not been opening for long but making good runs? I would take the later. I think Nafees and Rajin would be a much better choise for opening than Nafees and Javed Omar.

milton_eng
March 18, 2005, 03:08 PM
Aftab Ahmed should be used as a third pacer, but if he is not used so why not play Tusher Imran !

IanW
March 18, 2005, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by nsd3
I think the final 14 for england tour would be like this (1st 11 is by batting order):

1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Shujan
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Mashrafi
10) Tapash
11) Enamul Jr

Reason: 3 pacers, 2 Spinners, 1 Wk Keeper, 5 Batsmen are in team strategy; Javed was overlooked to have Shujan to accommodate a medium pacer (eng condition), who is currently doing well with the bat as well - true all rounder at number 6.


Wait a sec ... Sujan = Khaled Mahmud, the right-arm useless non-batsman. ex-captain.

Aftab is the form medium-pace bowler, after his performances against New Zealand and in India, so a second medium-pacer is a luxury (if you believe Sujan can actually bowl, which I dont)..

After suppressing polite giggles about "true all rounder" (ok, so he cant bowl, bat or field) so he gets punted in favour of another batsman.

Which one ? Well, lets see who gets runs against British Universities, Sussex and Northants.

And, remember ... you may only get one shot at getting your name on the board at Lords. Take it with both hands.

Ian Whitchurch

little_master
March 19, 2005, 12:41 PM
We do not need Khaled mahmud Shujon in any form of game.
No way in TEST.
About ODI, we have Mashrafee, Tapash, Rafique, Rana, Aftab; Have Rajin, Ashraful, Tushar Imran (if we select him) as part timer. Why we need Shujon. His batting avg is only 14.

nsd3
March 19, 2005, 04:57 PM
Yes the revised 11 has dropped Shujan, you can see that Ian. The discussion that is going on is giving us different opinion coming up and the the team is getting a matured shape gradually.

Anyway, so far among the comments that are intreresting in here one is: we don't need 2 spinners on Eng condition!
I think we have two sides of it to think on. Firstly, from Eng Batsmen point of view and secondly, Eng pitch point of view. Eng batsmen are accustomed to play swinging deliveries and have not seen many quality spinners playing there. A good second spinner like Enamul (proved against Eng in Dhaka pitch practice match and has variety in his arsenal which should prove fruitful on Eng pitch as well) is worthy to think about. So I think we should take 2 strike spinners (not occassional like Ashraful, Tushar) thinking about Eng batsmens' weakness rather than thinking about how pitch should react over there to spin. A good spinner (Rafiq,Enamul) should cause trouble in that pitch as well.

Someone mentioned about including Shahadat. He was overlooked as many members here suggested him playing more on A team. Also McInnes mentioned he should be ready for National level at the end of the year.

Also McInnes once said on Zim tour with A team that "Most test sides around the world only play 4 bowlers in a test match and continue to rotate them arround". From that perspective, we have 3 (Ashraful, Aftab, Tushar) batsmen from the revised 11 who can play vital role as 5th bowler time and again. Aftab could be used as 3d pacer on Eng condition with his swing deliveries. That is why Shujan was left out overlooking his current NCL form.

Therefore, we have shaped one startegy on the team following our comments so far:
Pacer: 2
Spinner: 2
Batsmen: 7 (incl Wkt Keeper).

chyicarus
March 19, 2005, 05:14 PM
Strategy should be to gain as much experience and get quickly accustomed to the English conditions. Its a gruelling tour and totally different conditions as it has been a while since any of the BD boys have played in England.
Some say 2 spinners and 2 pacers should be used with reliance on some part-time bowling by Aftab, Rajib, Ashraful etc. I think this is a good strategy but since the emergence of Mashrafi as a good all-rounder(prospective), and Taposh's batting prowess- i think including another seamer would help the team under the English conditions. We have a long tail, barring Enamul- the rest of the bowlers have had good success with the bat in first-class level.

Navarene
March 19, 2005, 05:23 PM
Totally agree with nsd3 about playing 2 specialist spinners instead of 3 seamers 1 spinner irrespective to what wicket condition has England save for us. Remember our strength lies mostly on spinners and not on pace attack.

Bangla Mostan
March 19, 2005, 05:51 PM
1) Nafis
2) Rajin
3) Bashar
4) Ashraful
5) Aftab
6) Shujan
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Mashrafi
10) Tapash
11) Enamul Jr

this seems to be the best selection for me..

Sham
March 19, 2005, 10:23 PM
What can I say? Rajin is now a Test opener? Shujon batting at 6 and Rana at 7 and going in with one seamer in Mashrafe plus Aftab and Sujon in England? I don't know what some of you guys are on!

The only ground for argument I feel is whether to go in with 3 pacers and a spinner or 2 pacers and 2 spinners. I feel very strongly that we need a third proper seamer and we have to leave out Enamul. I've put forward my arguments for that and I'll do it again. Firstly, calling spin our strength is slightly misleading. Rafique has been reasonably successful outside the sub-continent, but the others aren't really suited to bowling here. Enamul is a very good bowler, but his bowling style is not conducive to England. He flights the balls and tries to get turn off the pitch. He won't get any turn in England on the damp pitches in the early part of summer, and neither Lord's nor Riverside are known to be spinner friendly at all!! For reference, look at how much success Enamul Jnr had here last year as part of the u19 team? Has he improved so much in a year that the same bowler who struggled against the England u19 last year is going to trouble the national team this summer? And it isn't really about improving or not being good enough, his style of bowling is not really suited to here. Stick Murali on here during the early part of summer and he wouldn't be as much of a handful either. But in August when its warm and on a pitch like the Oval, Murali will do well, as will Enamul.

Think of a situation where we win the toss on a damp morning at Lord's and decide to bowl on a seamer friendly pitch and with seamer friendly conditions, do you guys really want to have just two front-line seamers and Aftab at first change? I mean, on a day like that, if we get to bowl, we shouldn't think about using spin till the last session, but how are we going to make our seamers last till then? Anyway, I understand that others have decent arguments to put forward about 2 spinners, one of the most popular being that our spinners are better than our seamers, but I think that is defensive thinking. We need to pick bowlers who are suited to taking wickets in England, given the conditions that we are going to play in, and back them to take wickets. Not think, Enamul has been taking wickets against Zimbabwe on BD pitches, lets stick him in there and sacrifice a young seamer like Rajib who would learn a lot by playing here and I daresay, will do well if he puts the ball in the right areas.

As for the other arguments like making Rajin an opener (I suppose people want to make a Rokon out of him) and picking Rana and Sujon, I don't think these suggestions are worth answering! We need six front-line batsmen (I would go with Tushar at 6 and keep the rest intact, even though Golla worries me), keeper, and four bowlers.

And one last thing, after the Duleep debacle, if they send 14 players to England, I am going to go to Dhaka and shoot the selectors. 16 may be two many but atleast 15 should be sent to England for the Test series, with atleast 7 batsmen among them. Send six proper batsmen, have two of them fall sick the morning of the match and we will be playing the Test match with 7 bowlers and 4 batsmen like we did against Eastern Zone!

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 3:30 AM GMT, by Sham.

Rubu
March 20, 2005, 02:07 AM
some does and some don't. agree with some points and do not with some other.

here is the points i don't agree with, given the indication that agree with the rest:

1. rajib has not been tested in senior level, ever. is it a good idea to dram him to test cricket even before introducing to odi? shouldn't nazmul be a better choice since he has some experience and better swing?
2. i can't explain this, but i can't put my faith in tushar imran.
3. rajin is a fighter, he might, just might be able to suit himself in opening. even if u think its not worth mentioning, who else is the replacement? javed omar? is it really a choice anymore? i'd rather open with rafique (in both form of game) than him.
4. why is rana such out of favore for u? has not this guy already proved that he is the only alrounder worth mentioning? battingwise, how many genuin batman have better average than him? i think he deserve to be in the team even as a pure batsman.

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 02:48 AM
i don't think putting in a guy like rajib is a good idea at all - cheleta A team levelei mair kheye bhut howe jaay...

i would also not promote rajin to the opening spot - i'd rather play javed omar, partly because his performance hasn't been as sucky as most people like to think of it, and partly because we don't have many alternatives.

as for rana - i'd include him any day in my odi team, but wouldn't cap him in tests for some time (i like the guy btw - just don't think he's ready for tests). i would also try chacha out in the practice matches to see how he does against tougher opponents than the ones he has had to face in the ncl so far. if he really clicks, i may as well give him a chance.

tushar imran - he has done NOTHING to prove his worth in the national team. a couple of half centuries against a Zim A side doesn't really say much - unless of course you're a 16 year old.

my greatest dilemma is choosing between two spinners and one, and i'm also worried about the number six position. maybe we can push mashud up the order and include an extra bowler?

in general, i don't like the idea of <b>listing down the names </b> of eleven players before each and every series, although i myself have engaged in it a couple of times in the past. got tired of it now though - it's useless without knowing the conditions, who will do well in the tour practice matches and whether arafat rahman just remembered that the bcb is his own property :).

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 7:50 AM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Sham
March 20, 2005, 02:48 AM
Here are some answers:

1. If your argument had been, Rajib has not been tested and so it would be better to start him off against a weaker opponent at home than to throw him against England in England, it would have made sense to me. I would still say, Rajib is in form, and as a seamer, starting off in England would not be a bad thing. However, I don't understand how ODI experience can prepare someone for Test cricket. Two different things. A naturally aggressive bowler like Rajib might do much better at Test cricket than he will ever do in ODIs. I think picking players for Tests based on their ODI performance is a flawed approach. Also, Rajib was just an example anyway. I am happy to take Nazmul (even though I don't like the fact that he bowls from so wide off the stumps and would much prefer that he bowled from closer to the stumps for his swing to be more effective). The main point I was trying to make is, we should go in with three front-line seamers.

2. Can't answer this!

3. Rajin might be a fighter, but he isn't an opener. I don't think Steve Waugh would have been a particularly good opener, but he was a fighter to the core. What you are trying to say is, Rajin will try his best at whatever he is asked to do. I understand that, but I am dead against this Bangladeshi practice of making successful middle order batsmen into openers. Again a flawed approach and it hasn't worked! Not for us and not for most countries. You can't turn people into openers. Successful openers are born openers, they love to go out there to face the new ball. You can't put that into someone who doesn't have it. I would replace Golla in a second, as long as it is with a specialist opener. I am not willing to sacrifice one of our more consistent middle order batsmen to take a risk at turning him into an opener. If you want to play Rafique as a Test opener on seaming pitches in England ahead of Golla, go take a shower and sober up!

4. As with Rana, if you want to take him as a genuine batsman, that is your choice. I wouldn't. The chap scores runs but nobody knows how. He almost gets out every ball but somehow doesn't, and by the time he does, he has scored a 40 playing the only two shots he can play. One of those awkward batters who is hard dislodge. Not a bad skill surely, especially for a Bangladeshi batsman, but I am not going to get suckered into short-term thinking. In ten years time, do I think Rana will be one of our more successful batsmen? No! He isn't even a batsman. I don't think even he will claim to be one. He is just a guy who goes out there holding a bat and makes sure the ball doesn't hit the stumps (which he does quite well). I don't know how else to describe his batting.

Sham
March 20, 2005, 02:54 AM
I know Rana has a lot of fans here, but what I really want to know is: how many people on here have seen Rana bat properly and think that he should bat in the top six in our national team?

It is true that our regular batsmen are inconsistent as hell, but to make Rana bat in the top six in Tests would suggest that we have given up our search for proper batsmen!

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Sham
4. As with Rana, if you want to take him as a genuine batsman, that is your choice. I wouldn't. The chap scores runs but nobody knows how. He almost gets out every ball but somehow doesn't, and by the time he does, he has scored a 40 playing the only two shots he can play. One of those awkward batters who is hard dislodge. Not a bad skill surely, especially for a Bangladeshi batsman, but I am not going to get suckered into short-term thinking. In ten years time, do I think Rana will be one of our more successful batsmen? No! He isn't even a batsman. I don't think even he will claim to be one. He is just a guy who goes out there holding a bat and makes sure the ball doesn't hit the stumps (which he does quite well). I don't know how else to describe his batting.

I don't understand why it matters if the guy's scoring runs. I simply don't understand why it matters that the guy has a really crappy technique when his records are among the best in the team.

if you're leaving him out of the team, you may do so because neither his bowling (we'd pick enamul if we needed an extra spinner) nor his batting (he doesn't fit into the test side) can be accomodated in the current test side. however, i really don't understand why one should care about his technique when the guy's scoring runs.

as for the future - well, what about it? i think we have a pool of talents big enough to be worrying about the future and leaving someone out only because he won't be able to serve us for the next ten years. if you don't want to think short term, then why not leave out all eleven of them and get in players who will become better than the current bunch in ten years' time?:)

but yes - if you're leaving the guy out because he doesn't fit in english conditions or because there are others who are capable of doing a better job than him, then that's acceptable logic. :)

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Sham
I know Rana has a lot of fans here, but what I really want to know is: how many people on here have seen Rana bat properly and think that he should bat in the top six in our national team?

It is true that our regular batsmen are inconsistent as hell, but to make Rana bat in the top six in Tests would suggest that we have given up our search for proper batsmen!

i've seen him bat (when i was on a vacation to bd during the asia cup), and my opinion is that his technique really sucks. however, i don't really care about technique as long as it's covered up for by results, and i have no problems with him playing in the odi team as an all rounder. i wouldn't include him in my test team though.

nsd3
March 20, 2005, 05:39 AM
So far, several questions on cetain players' inclusion in this lively forum have come up. The players are:

1) Rana 4) Shujan
2) Rajib 5) Javed
3) Tushar 6) Enamul Jnr 7) Tushar

This leaves us with 9 players who didn't have any question on inclusion:
1) Nafis 2) Bashar
3) Rajin 3) Ashraful
5) Aftab 6) Pilot
7) Rafiq 8) Mashrafi
9) Tapash

This means we need to pick 2 more players to fill up 1st 11 with one opener and one allrounder. On opener option: do we need Javed or someone else who is a solid opener. On the other hand, as an allrounder: do we need a spinner cum batsman or a pacer cum batsman.

Regarding opener slot: I have no comment now as I proposed Rajin in that position to bring in Tushar and before that Shujan at No. 6.

Regarding Allrounder: It's a big dilemma who to consider. Should we include a spinner cum batsman (Tushar's off spin could be a choice) although we have occassional spinners like Ashraful, Rajin. Or should we consider a pacer cum batsman (Shujan could come in with his current form.)

Any other idea to fill in those 2 spots?

opu_87
March 20, 2005, 07:54 AM
I would say
Khaled mahmud shujon
Enamul Haque Junior
:flag:

Mr-khan
March 20, 2005, 08:27 AM
Now the main question is:
Who should open with Nafes?

Sham
March 20, 2005, 10:02 AM
Its not his technique that bothers me. Habibul Bashar doesn't have technique. Virender Sehwag doesn't have much technique. I don't say, drop Bashar! But Rana is not a batsman. He is a bowler who goes out there and bats his heart out, especially when the team is in trouble. I admire him for that. But that does not mean that we should make him a regular top six batsman! I have no doubts that Rana can score a fighting 30, but is that what we want out of a top sixer? Wouldn't you rather have someone who has the ability to score a 100?

Now someone will come back and say, whats so good about that if they only score once a year? But again, thats just defeatist thinking. See, the problem here is that we are picking Rana not because he is all that good, but because the rest of our guys are inconsistent. But thats not something I agree with. I don't think our pool of batsmen are so crap that we have to turn a bowler into a batsman. Anyway, this debate is pointless. Rana won't be picked as a specialist batsman in England, and probably not as a bowler, although if he had to take two spinners, Rana's bowling (flatter and quicker) is likely to be more effective than Enamul's.

As for the rest of the 11, I don't want to replace them with people who I think will do better in the future because the young guys we have are the ones we would expect to be successful for BD: Nafees, Ashraful, Rajin, Aftab, Mashrafee, Enamul etc.

chinaman
March 20, 2005, 10:37 AM
Ofcourse we all have varying opinion and we should respect each other. Debate on Rana is ongoing and there seems to be no end to it.

Generally speaking, a player is selected largely based on his performance and potential. Technique, mentality, spirit, skill and other things boast one's potential and may translate into performance. I'm sure there are many technically sound players failed to perform while not-so-skilled players make the mark only to retroactively called gifted, skilled and what not.

Rana's performace has been consistent. More consistent than most if not all. Any attempt to dent it would be plain vanilla shortsightedness and unfortunate. And I strongly believe he makes it to the team by his own merit than anything else.

When Rana scores run, he doesn't score it as a "specialist batsman" or "plain batsman" or "multiskilled player" or anything like that. He scores as a team player. Now how one likes to mark his position is one's choice.

Having said that, I must say, Rana's inclusion in the final eleven is not automatic. Opponent, pitch condition, situation and many other usual and unusual factors will come into play. Just as they would come into play for others apart from the skipper and keeper, perhaps.

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 3:49 PM GMT, by chinaman.

Zephaniah
March 20, 2005, 11:31 AM
Sham. I completely agree with your posts ( i only read 2nd pageof the thread). You make sense as oppose to some posters who want to selest a test bowler based on ODI performance!

My quick thoughts:

Isn't it norm to select 15 players in away tour? In that case I'd pick 8 batsmen +keeper+6 bowler. Reason for taking 8 batsmen instead of 7 is that our bowling is far more consistent comparing to our batting, hence we could try them out in practice matches to see who's in form and can cope with the condition.

I think we should take atleast 4 proper pacers and 2 spinners. Mashrafee, Tapash, Nazmul and Shahadat Hussain rajib is my pick. Yes, I'm leaving out Chacha and Talha here. Chacha ,only as a bowler, doesnt command a place in the test team. And if we have to consider his batting 'ability' then he should compete with a specialist batsman for a spot in top 6 which will be discussed next. Out of 4 pacer one should be 'tear-away' type who will be our first change bower with first new ball and I opted for Shahadat instead of him. Nazmul is picked as understudy of Tapash.

As for spinners, I'll take Rafique with Enamul, only because they are two different type of SLAs. But I will let Rana know that he is a sure selection for 15 man ODI squad instead of Enamul.

Now 8 batsmen. We need a good opener and a extra middle order (no 6) in the squad. Sure selections are Nafis, Bashar, Rajin, Aftab and Ash. For rest of the 3 spots players will be considered are:

JO
Sharriar Nafis ahmed

Tushar Imran
Manjarul Rana
Khaled Mahmud

And Pilot will be the keeper, as usual.

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 03:45 PM
i'm not sure about nazmul either. i'd like to test him out more in the longer version before capping him for tests.

the conclusion that i draw from all this confusion is that we still haven't reached a position where selecting an eleven is difficult because of the availability of so many quality players. right now it's difficult because we don't have players who are good enough for all kinds of conditions. we don't have a proper number six, and neither an effective first change bowler.

the lack of such a first change bowler will probably be a big drawback for us in the england tour, and so will be the lack of a proper number six.

although it seems there is no way out at present, the future doesn't look too bad with so many good young players behind the scenes. however, with so many big talents behind the scenes, one would also like to worry more about the present, assuming that a proper eleven will evolve in the future. unfortunately, right now, we have nothing to do than wait.

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 8:45 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Sham
March 20, 2005, 04:23 PM
Rana scored a 151 for Khulna while Bashar and Tushar together scored 20! I still don't know how the guy does it, unbelievable! Everytime I see a big score next to his name, I am dumbfounded. Anyway, good for him, he is providing good fodder for the people who want to pick him as a batsman in the Test side.

chinaman
March 20, 2005, 04:35 PM
Murobbider dowa aache mone hoi :)

On a serious note, he might have something strong up in his head. Did someone say, cricket is 90% mental?

Zephaniah
March 20, 2005, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i'm not sure about nazmul either. i'd like to test him out more in the longer version before capping him for tests.


the lack of such a first change bowler will probably be a big drawback for us in the england tour, and so will be the lack of a proper number six.

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 8:45 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

I would like Shahadat as first change bowler over Nazmul 'cause he seems like more penetrative and we can always use Aftab as stock pace bowling option if things go out of control. Shahadat's performance in A-team test matches against Zimbabwe was reasonably good. Infact Tapash has been disappointing in international scene of late. If Shahadat comes at first change and Tapash remains out of form then taking Nazmul in for him might prove to be something worth experimenting.

Picking one for no 6 batting spot seems to be really tricky and i could not put my finger on it at this point.

Zephaniah
March 20, 2005, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Rana scored a 151 for Khulna while Bashar and Tushar together scored 20!

Or am I very close to make up my mind? Hmmmmm

Btw, Why Shahadat isn't playing for Dhaka in NCL 6th round?

Edited on, March 20, 2005, 9:53 PM GMT, by Zephaniah.

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Rana scored a 151 for Khulna while Bashar and Tushar together scored 20! I still don't know how the guy does it, unbelievable! Everytime I see a big score next to his name, I am dumbfounded.


hahahaha...oh mannn...this guy's awesome! :)

nsd3
March 20, 2005, 05:17 PM
Regarding Opener: If we don't want to open the innings with Rajin/Rana (tested briefly) then we have to turn to someone who is a solid opener. At present Javed is probably out of form or he will do his best and score 30 odd runs. He used to stay for a long time previously and his form is not the same, I guess. But he definitely has experience to get back to that form again. Other than Javed, who else is an in-form TESTED opener: Ehsanul (Cht), Opi (Dhk), Hannan (not sure which team he is playing now)?

Well, before we forget what the team structure we are talking about (we can't have time always to read from Page 1) I'm giving the team members below to discuss more: (in batting order)
1) Rana 2) Nafis 3) Bashar 4) Rajin 5) Ashraful 6) Aftab 7) Pilot 8) Rafiq 9) Mashrafi 10) Tapash 11) Nazmul (cuz Rajib, as mentioned before, may be ready at the year end for nat'l level and we need swinging deliveries not raw pace in Eng condition).

AsifTheManRahman
March 20, 2005, 05:40 PM
nafis is an in form opener. i think javed is the only other option available at the moment.

Sham
March 20, 2005, 08:53 PM
Oh wow, Rana is now the opener? Hehe! I love this message board, just when you think that you've read it all, someone gives you a whole new angle to think about!

Rubu
March 21, 2005, 12:31 AM
ok, Sham, took the shower, but don't know how mch help it was in terms of sobbering up. well, i might sobbered up, but rana's 151 screws up things again even though one century in domestic league does not say anything at all, not to mention we had profound centuries this year from many unknown figures. even our favorite punch bag chacha had one. still there are a few more things that comes in mind:

what is wrong with making a bowler turned batsman? jaysuria and afridi both were pure bowler at first (whatmore and amir shohel changed them to batman) and now they open test. not to mention our own ashraful who made the team as a pure leggie. if performance allows whats wrong with making a bowler a batsman?
with only two shorts in stock and a very very akward batting style rana scores runs more consistantly than anyone else. once whatmore said about him "rana does whatever he is told to do". beside some 50s against a very lowly zimbo A team tushar imran has not done anything to deserve a recall. and this is confusing for me why many would pick him a head of rana.

about javed issue though, i'd back up. but his england tour gonna be a acid test for him (in case he is picked as opener) and if he fails, i think u'd agree too that, that should be enough with JO.

nsd3
March 21, 2005, 04:15 AM
If we can't find trust in JO, and other TESTED openers like Opi with NCL avg 46.71 and Ehsanul 48.59 we've got to come up with someone who was tried as a makeshift opener by Whatmore before. Rana's name came up with that rationale as an opener. Feel free to analyze more with facts if anyone is not happy with this proposal.

And for No. 6 position I think players from Pilot, rafiq , Mash, Tapash should be brought forward and make space for Nazmul with swings at No. 11. How's that!

Mr-khan
March 21, 2005, 06:24 AM
nsd i agree with u.
About Javed:
Javeds tecnique is not suitable for international cricket.Je batsman wicket a gele voy a kape ore diye ki hobe.Jodi kew Mashrafee keo opener banae tao valo.Kono shot,tecnique kichue nai.Only wicket a thaka ta boro bepar na,kichu run o kora lage but Javed jokhon batting kore tokhon mone hoy jor kore kew oke pathaise.
Premire league ar kono batsman or "A" team ar opener like Shahriar Nafees k ekta break dea dorkar.

Sham
March 21, 2005, 06:58 PM
I think we all agree that Javed Omar needs to go. The problem is, who should replace him. From among the A team guys, Shahriar Nafees didn't do badly in Zimbabwe (218 runs @ 36.33) but its probably not enough for a national team call-up. I guess we have to see how he does in the rest of the NCL when he gets a chance to play. Roquibul also had a fairly good series in Zimbabwe but he is too young to be considered for the national team at this stage. Out of the BCB XI, Nafees will play and Rokon probably ended his chances of a Test comeback in that series.

Opee and Seezan, out of past openers have had fairly decent NCL seasons so far but I think most will agree that neither have done enough to get back their place in the national team. If one of them had been clearly outstanding, it would have been worth thinking about. Its fortunate for Hannan that he plays for Barisal because with 127 runs in 9 innings, he would struggle to get into any other NCL team right now, let alone the national team. The only other person worth mentioning from the NCL is Golam Rahman. He has scored a lot of runs this season (currently heading the highest runs table) and is a left-hander I believe so that is a good thing as well. But I have never seen him bat and have no idea whether he is fit enough for Test cricket. So, we are really left with few options.

I dont want Rajin opening. We can't sacrifice him early. He holds our middle order together. We need someone like him at number 5. Bother Bashar and Ashraful are pretty carefree batsmen and we don't even have a regular number six at this point. Taking Rajin out of the middle order makes our batting order look very shaky. I am actually more open to the idea making Rana the opener rather than Rajin. I guess the argument goes, since Javed isn't expected to score in England anyway, how much worse can Rana do? But still, I would have been happier with a specialist opener.

As for the number six, I should clear up a mistake I made in my first post on this thread. I actually didn't mean Tushar, I meant Aftab. I got mixed up with the ODI team. I would have Aftab at number 6 in the Test team (also will be a useful bowling option). I know he hasn't scored much in Test cricket, but I think he has it in him. Someone compared him, quite correctly, to Mudassar Nazar, someone who can be pretty useful with both bat and ball. I think we should give him some more chances. If he can prove with his batting that he is good enough to bat at that spot, it would be ideal for BD cricket because he can be a useful all-rounder.

Edited on, March 22, 2005, 12:00 AM GMT, by Sham.

AsifTheManRahman
March 22, 2005, 01:48 AM
well, i don't see why javed has to go. i'm more into sticking with a bunch and giving them more chances than dropping people. i think it's only fair that we give JO another couple of chances (at least in this england tour). one should also consider the fact that we don't have a proper replacement yet.

rana as opener? no man...rana opened in odi's, but that's a completely different issue...i have doubts playing rana in tests, let alone sending him to open, largely because i think we have too many specialists to play someone like rana. however, he'll be an automatic choice for my odi side - i don't see why he shouldn't be capped in odi's.

i don't think sending rajin in as opener is a good idea. we should learn from past experience (i.e. what happened when we played with the batting positions of talents like al shahriar) and not risk losing another gem. besides, his batting style is such that we need him to hold the innings from breaking apart in the middle.

chyicarus
March 22, 2005, 07:13 PM
One person I'm really disappointed in is Durjoy. I know the Board has been tough on him but that doesn't mean that he will get back at them. The rest of the nation needs his current form with both the bat and the ball. Just imagine, if we had him playing like he is in domestic cricket then we wouldn't be worrying as much with our fragile batting! And plus we would be a very handy bowler coz we're already stacked with left-arm orthodox bowlers!

Mav
March 26, 2005, 12:33 AM
whatever it is - chacha is out pls.

cricket_pagol
March 26, 2005, 01:11 AM
With Chacha's form in the current NCL, i think he deserves a shot at the test team. He has been a consistent performer with the ball and the bat... and he has good record in the last world cup at England.

Edited on, March 26, 2005, 6:11 AM GMT, by cricket_pagol.

feisal
March 26, 2005, 01:47 AM
cricket-pagal bhai,

how irrelevant could be the example of last ( second last in fact)...world cup.. it was million years ago, and that was a one day tournament.. and here we are talking about the test matches.. Given the formation of our side, Chacha cannot bat at number 6 and it is very difficult to take him as a specialist bowler..these are the two simple reasons that he would not be in the test sides..

RazabQ
March 26, 2005, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Sham
I would have Aftab at number 6 in the Test team (also will be a useful bowling option). I know he hasn't scored much in Test cricket, but I think he has it in him. Someone compared him, quite correctly, to Mudassar Nazar, someone who can be pretty useful with both bat and ball. I think we should give him some more chances. If he can prove with his batting that he is good enough to bat at that spot, it would be ideal for BD cricket because he can be a useful all-rounder.

That would be me :) The one who made the Mudasaar comparison :) Having made that comparison, I am at a quandry. It is my belief - especially with the comment made by Faruk about not wanting to change the winning combo, that the top 5 will be intact at least for the 1st test. Fitness permitting, Masree & Rafique are in as well.

The 6th spot gets interesting though. There is no doubt in my mind that Aftab is the more gifted and technically sound batsman; his first-class record is still iffy tho. Rana's just about as elegant as a kodaler kope, but his grittiness on the Duleep greentops, his obduracy against Pathan in Dhaka, and countless other examples (partnership with Bashar against a rampand Pedro Collins comes to mind too)suggest, he might not be a bad option to be holding things up with one of the top 5 should a collapse happen against a pace/seamer heavy opposition. On top of that he's a rare southpaw in the side and I can tell you for a fact, swing bowlers, especially in swing/seam friendly conditions, hate bowling to lefty-righty combinations.

I really am 50/50 on that #6 spot. All the others I have a preference for.

Tapash? In. His bowling form's been iffy of late but he's a big hearted guy who just might thrive in English conditions.

Nazmul vs. Shahadat? Easily Shahadat. This youngster has been brought up slowly and having someone in the side to hurry up the English batters (especially old-man Thorpe), and expose potential technical flaws with Key/Pieterson/Bell is worth the risk of him having a rough debut.

In fact, I'd slot Nazmul in Tapash's place if Mr. Baisya has an indifferent start to the tour (which I sincerely hope he does NOT). Nazmul was pretty accurate in the Champion's trophy and he (he's young and can run in all day - plus he has a very economic action) & Rafique can do the stock bowlers role with Masree & Shahadat performing the shock bowling chores.

So my side ?

1) Javed Omar
2) Nafees Iqbal
3) *Habibul Bashar
4) Mohammad Ashraful
5) Rajin Saleh
6) Rana/Aftab 50/50
7) Pilot+
8) Raw-freak - at the very least he'll tie one end down
9) Masree - I do not elevate him because he should focus on bowling
10) Tapash/Nazmul 70/30
11) Shahadat/Nazmul 70/30

I would be very surprised if the 11 that walks out on Lords is, excepting injury causes, drastically different from above.

Zephaniah
March 26, 2005, 06:39 AM
I'll be extremely vigilent about JO's performance in tour matches. If he doesn't raise to the occasion, then i would not deprive Aftab or Rana for him. In that case I'l have both Aftab and Rana in the playing eleven. Aftab is a natural no 3. Most of the matches - domestic, U-19 and even nternational matches sometmes, he batted in that position. Considering Nafis is begining to sow his maturity ( ref - his patient 121 in last test) and JO in his mediocre best, I'm tempted to see Aftab and Nafis opening pair. I know I'm stirring up a storm here, but Aftab's abitily to bowl simply could not be ignored in English condition.

Given JO's indifferent performance, My team will be....

1) Aftab Ahmed
2) Nafees Iqbal
3) *Habibul Bashar
4) Rajin Saleh
5) Ashraful
6) Manjarul Rana
7) Khaled Masud Pilot+
8) Mashrafee Mortaza
9) Md. Rafique
10) Tapash/Nazmul
11) Shahadat Hussain

I'll have Rajin at 4 and Ash at 5. Ash averages 18.44 ( 18 match) at 4, 28.29 (20 matches) at 5 and 44.50 (6matches) at 6. In his debut 114 & in another inspirational knock of 98 against Zimbabwe he batted at 6 and recent 158* against India he batted at 5.

Edited on, March 26, 2005, 12:30 PM GMT, by Zephaniah.
Reason: Rajin & Ash

chyicarus
March 26, 2005, 01:02 PM
I would not recommend Bashar to be at no.3 though. I'd rather see Rajin or Ashraful and perhaps even Aftab. I don't see Aftab as an opening batsmen- i think it will only lead to more confusion and end his career like Rokon's where he's batting at different spots in different levels of the game.

Mav
March 26, 2005, 01:03 PM
Well, I am sure BCB wont make much change., except some changes in pace attack. Masrafee cant do it all alone,.

* Nazmul, Tapash and Shahadat - 2 of them must go, one as a substitute Player. And then one can be choosen based on their performance on practice matches before the test start.

* Replace someone From NCL with Javed Omar. Really Javed is nothing special, I highly believe there are better batsmen with a lot better batting average in 4 day games than Javed in Bangladesh. We dont need a batsmen who makes a 20 from 100 balls. ( Any NCL player can do that)

My point is, Javed lack positive playing. As a opener, we need someone who can play strokes and also can stay at the crease .

* Rana Plays only in ODI, Not in Test. Based on his performance, it is clear that he can create pressure , bowls maiden overs and take atleast a wicket or two in ODI`s.

* Enamul must be included in the team and should play the tests. A player who can take 7 wickets in an innings is capable of attacking any sides (I believe).

So Enamul for Rana in the test. -- And -- Rana for Enamul in ODI`s.

* Please, No more Chacha. Dont BCB finds a replace for him? He is not any world class bowler and not at all a batsman.

But if history repeats and he is taken again with BCB`s stupid Tradition, Please dont let him play any ODI. May be a test or two.

These are the crucial decision I wanted to offer. And i believe that will be helpful.


Edited on, March 26, 2005, 7:08 PM GMT, by Mav.

mahbubH
March 26, 2005, 03:21 PM
I think Chacha will play tests in England as the third seamer.

Edited on, March 26, 2005, 8:21 PM GMT, by sports_fan_bd.

Tyrant
March 27, 2005, 09:46 AM
Nafis
Javed
rajin
Habibul bashar
aftab
Masud
Mahmud
Mashrafe
rafique
tapash
enamul haque junior

mahbubH
March 27, 2005, 10:16 AM
It seems 15 member BD team will be selected for England tour. One team for both tests and ODIs. This team will be announced in next few days (source: BD media ). Here is the list of my 15:

1. Javed Omar
2. Nafees Iqbal
3. Habibul Basher
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Ashraful Matin
6. Aftab Ahmed
7. Khaled Masud

8. Rafique
9. Rana
10. Enamul Haq

11. Shahadat Hossain
12. Khaled Mahmud
13. Mashrafee Mortoza
14. Taposh Baysha
15. Nazmul Hossain

This team has one batsman short. Rana takes the place of specialist batsman (e.g. Tushar Imran). Ideal 11 for England would be with three pacers (Mash, Taposh, Chacha), Rafique, Pilot, and first 6 batsmen. Aftab will be the 4th pacer of the team. I know this team is weak in bowling and will not win tests for us but probably can survive till 4th morning.

Zephaniah
March 27, 2005, 10:36 AM
The only way you can justify Chacha's inclusion of test eleven if he scores 50+ in every innings!. Chacha as test bowler - useless!

mahbubH
March 27, 2005, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Zephaniah
The only way you can justify Chacha's inclusion of test eleven if he scores 50+ in every innings!. Chacha as test bowler - useless!

I also do not want to see Chacha playing the tests but my guess is Chacha will play, so I included in the team.

Sham
March 27, 2005, 11:51 AM
My 15 for the Test squad:

1.Nafees Iqbal
2.Javed Omar
3.Habibul Bashar
4.Mohammed Ashraful
5.Rajin Saleh
6.Aftab Ahmed
7.Batsman

8.Khaled Masud

9.Mohammed Rafique
10.Enamul Huque

11.Mashrafe Murtoza
12.Tapash Baisya
13.Nazmul Hussain
14.Shahadat Hussain Rajib
15.Talha Jubair

The one spot I am undecided about is the reserve batsman. For the people who want Rana, he will have to take that spot if he has to be in the Test squad, as a batsman because he doesn't justify inclusion as a bowler and I am unwilling to take more than 2 spinners. Personally, I wish I could take someone who I felt could open the innings with Nafees. Since no one comes to mind, I'll keep it blank for now.

The only other thing that I feel needs explanation is taking five seamers. I don't think its too many because we need to find three who will actually play, and there are three practice games, so we need to cover ourselves well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if by the time the Test series starts, we are down to 4 anyway. With the grounds being damp and slippery, injuries to pacers are quite common in the early part of summer. We just have to pray that nothing happens to Mashrafe. Actually, I wouldnt even mind giving Mashrafe just a single practice game before the Test series starts.


My 14 for the ODI squad:

1.Nafees Iqbal
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Aftab Ahmed
4.Habibul Bashar
5.Mohammed Ashraful
6.Batsman (Tushar?)

7.Khaled Masud

8.Monjurual Islam Rana
9.Mohammed Rafique
10.Enamul Huque

11.Mashrafe Murtoza
12.Tapash Baisya
13.Nazmul Hussain
14.Khaled Mahmud Sujon

I think Sujon still has a role to play in the ODI team and I would definitely have him in the squad. Actually, I am even willing to name my final XI for the ODI team which is: Nafees, Rajin, Aftab, Bashar, Ash, Mashrafe, Masud, Mahmud, Rafique, Rana, Nazmul.

Zephaniah
March 27, 2005, 06:48 PM
Sham. Thanks! You saved me typing! If we take 7 batsmen + 7 bowler + keeper, then that will be my test squad too! I'll take Rana as 7th reserve batsman.

But it seems there will be a squad of 15 for both tests and ODIs. In that case I can see Talha missing out for Chacha! Blimey!

RazabQ
March 27, 2005, 08:30 PM
I like your side Shams and yeah I believe that Chacha comes in for Talha. The only newcomer is likely to be Shahadat and that actually makes sense.

nsd3
March 28, 2005, 12:55 AM
I think we need a solid opener other than Javed. So
my 11 for Tests (By batting order):

1) ????
2) Nafis
3) Bashar
4) Rajin
5) Ashraful
6) Aftab
7) Pilot
8) Rafiq
9) Nazmul/Rana (depending we need extra pacer or spinner
10) Mashrafi
11)Tapash

Regarding Shahadat, I think on Eng condition we need swings not raw pace. That is why Nazmul came up ahead of Shahadat.

Also if we can't find a (nonJaved) opener now we could think about promoting someone from down the order to open with Nafis. In that case both Rana and Nazmul will be able to play in final 11. Feel free to fill in the gap on opening slot!!!! (NO Javed pls)

nsd3
May 22, 2005, 09:23 PM
About 2 months after we started this thread we now have our Final 16 who are in England now. Issues that are on debate are:

1) Pacers: Mash, Rajib, Tapash, Munir, Talha, how many of them will be in final 11.

2) Spinners: Whether we should take both Rafiq and Enamul or only Rafiq should get the nod. If 2 goes in as pacers then Aftab becomes an inevitale choice as a third seamer.

3) Rahim has become a pleasant surprise and he is making us think whether we should include him and if yes, who will be replaced keeping the 2 points above in mind.

4) Whether we should consider England's weakness in facing spin or we should think about England's pitch favouring seamers in formulating our team.

5) Whether we should include players based on their current form mainly or we should focus on individual's history of how they turned the table in grave situations at this level before.

nsd3
May 22, 2005, 09:51 PM
1) Pacers: I'll go for 3 pacers because Aftab goes out in favour of Rahim in my final 11. This gives the solution to issue no. 3. In this case 3 pacers are : Mash, Rajib, Tapash.

2) The number of spinners will be 1 (rafiq) as we need to accommodate 6 specialist batsmen to bolster our brittle batting order. Rahim is considered as Batsman here. This gives solution to Issue no 4 as well. We need to consider our best 11 available. There's no need to worry about England's weakness in facing spin as the pitch is supposed to be seamer friendly.

3) Only issue no 5 has no definite answer at the moment. We could think about current form or we could stress on indivudula's history where he showed signs of turning thing around at this level. Seeing Dav so far, I think he loves to experiment with new ideas. Let's see what happens. The final 11 could be like this:
(in batting order)
1) Javed
2) Nafis
3) Bashar
4) Rajin
5) Ashraful
6) Rahim
7) Pilot
8) Mashrafi
9) Rafiq
10) Tapash
11) Rajib

If 2 batsmen can put above 50 each and 3 others can contribute their (usual Bangladeshi) 30s, then our tail could hopefully take the score beyond 300. That could give us hope of drawing the first test.

If Mash, Tapash, and Rajib can focus only on line and length (not too many short pitched ones) they could restrict Eng total befor 399, I believe. Rajib should focus on LINE and LENGTH and remember RAW PACE could become fatal in England's swinging condtitions. At the same time Rafiq could provide restriction and frustration tactics over the Eng batsmen to make it even sour for England.

Let the dream begin.......